I think a lot of people are forgetting what Frieza was thinking during the TOP. He literally said he was gonna find a way to bring down the Zenos. I would love to see Frieza as a god butcher

Frieza overthrowing the gods & Zeno? Now THAT would be scary

It would be cool if maybe frieza could somehow find a way to travel to other universes and build up his army and gather really strong warriors, maybe a few from the tournament of power and declare war on the gods leading into a universe war saga.

Crazy idea. Frieza finds the super dragon balls, wish the previous universes be restored, conquers them, then build an army from all 4 of them to try to conquer the other 12

I get the feeling Frieza won’t even be the main villain in the next arc. He’ll probably be hanging around and kept in our minds while the story about the strong person Whis was talking about gets told.

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One issue I see with Frieza planning to become god of destruction is that the one weakness connecting him to the supreme kai of that universe. I feel like after what happened with the Saiyans he will not want to take chances having such an easy way to possibly take him out. Of course that is subject to if he learns about this, but with how clever he is, he will most likely learn almost if not everything he needs to know.

I hope we do see Frieza vs Beerus! Let’s finally see Beerus at FULL POWER!!!

Frieza is clearly planning to take down Beerus so he no longer have to worry about him, then try to overthrow Zeno, if he can.

Frieza is definitely playing the long game. He has a big plan that he’s executing in incremental steps.

I cant say it enough times. Getting back into all that is dragonball again after like 8 years and finding this channel and your plethora of geekdom content is the fucking shit. I fucking love it. These are the kind of conversations I love to have and its tough to find random people in the wild that can hold conversations like this. good shit.

You might mention this in the video, I haven't watched it yet but what if Frieza left Goku and Vegeta alive to track them to Beerus' planet?

i really hope frieza can give beerus a good fight, been waiting for years to see beerus be pushed to his limit.

Freeza went an hour with broly while waiting for Gogeta so...Lord Freeza is back!

For the love of God, they need to have freiza try and take the throne from Zeno, since the realm of the gods have been introduced I've been wanting someone to try to overthrow them, it would be so cool.

My thinking is that he didn't make the same mistake he did with his golden form. He turned gold, and instantly went to fight goku anticipating gokus power gains and using that to judge if he was "strong enough" he didn't take into account goku mastering his energy and having the stamina to go the distance. I think freiza found his new form long before he left that training room and, mastered his ki control similar to true golden freiza. I honestly don't see him making the same mistake twice. Plus, killing goku isn't his goal anymore, he could have easily killed goku and vegeta and been rid of the saiyans he hates more than any others before. He wants to make beerus bow before him. That's motivation to get way stronger than goku ever could. Goku fights to get strong and that's in. Freiza fights to truly rule everything.

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I could see Freeza targeting Sidra since he tried to assassinate him before ToP so i could see Freeza going to him and essentially beat him but this could be done off screen (at the time) and Freeza taking characters like the Trio De Danger in the Freeza Force have all this be discovered in the end of a mini set up arc (like 15 episodes) all dedicated to goku, vegeta, broly, gohan and piccolo training (maybe fleshing out SuperHero). Have a "man hunt" for Freeza and make it like 3 arcs or more, the heroes going to the other universes trying to help since no one knows where he is and slowly build to Freeza declaring war againts the gods after he beats like 2 more God of Destructions. Here we could see vegeta go to planet sadala, reintroduce the pride troopers etc... this is my head cannon for the next like 5 years or so. Sorry this was long.

I think it was pretty concretely foreshadowed that Frieza wants to be the Omni King. He swore that one day he would rule over Zeno.

I honestly don't even care anymore i jus wanna see Beerus Fight ANYONE at this point lol a Real Fight !

Once Frieza can jump through universes, I believe he will go to Universe 11 first and kill Toppo. Frieza is that petty, and Toppo straight up EMBARRASSED him in the TOP. This could be the start of Frieza’s universal massacre

As crazy as it is...worlds were populated with freeza. He wanted places to be populated so he could rule...only fearing the saiyans because of their potential.

Didn't the Oracle fish say "the balance of power in universe 7 is shifting, the strongest will soon be born" were they talking about Freiza shifting the balance of the entire universe? I got a good feeling that Beerus or the Kaioshin is the new target.

He should logically destroy Beerus and be closer to Angel level, but we know about how much of a constant moving goalpost Beerus is.

Have we ever thought that Zeno as he is May just be a one of many forms??? We always see him as a little child but what if that’s our biggest mistake

Been wanting to see this for a while!

If frieza would become a new God of destruction, he would be appointed a new Supreme Kai. That would be very bad for frieza. Maybe in this arc, frieza is so powerful that they can't beat him. That would be really cool.

x.x I really wanna know more about frieza's background tbh, like how he went about raising/restoring his empire. How he grew and ran it. A side-story about that would be really cool. And give us context to alot of what we have seen involving his interactions with his subordinates.

I'm thinking he's gathering the things he needs to use the Super Dragon Balls. The cube vehicle that Hit wanted in the 6 & 7 universe tournament that allows you to travel to different universes. Hit was able to reach Earth somehow when he assassinated Goku. He needs someone to speak the dragon's language like Zuno. As for the wish? Either he can't be erased by Zeno, or the dragon gives him Zeno's powers so he can erase all the gods and Zeno. He won't erase Goku or Vegeta or the main characters because he'll want to enjoy his new playground.

In Trunk’s original timeline all of the Gods are dead. Since Goku brought the Zeno from that timeline to the present, that means Trunk’s timeline is ripe for the taking. Frieza just needs to find away there and then won’t have to worry about Zeno

they should of called black frieza, BLACK ICE FREEZA

The room of spirit and time Frieza found may have another door that opens to universe 6. That’s a way Frieza could collect all the Super Dragon Balls.

Everybody is talking about Black Frieza. But, nobody seems to be talking about the mortal that Whis mentioned. He did say that Black Frieza wasnt the strongest.

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I think it would be fun if Goku and Vegeta learn about a power boost from Zuno and Frieza go there to find the Gods' weaknesses

I hope the black Frieza arc is after the end of Z

Honestly, I think Frieza does a good job of creating balance in Universe 7. He does a much better job than the gods! Shin just doesn't do a dang thing and Beerus just sleeps. Even when he is awake, he'll destroy planets if he's cranky or presents him with terrible food. Frieza's business is about conquering worlds (sadly that sometimes means entire civilizations that might be advanced enough to actually BOOST their mortal level get wiped out) to sell them to the highest bidder. Occasionally, there is some destruction involved. However, Beerus said himself that before creation there must come destruction. Obviously, Frieza isn't a god. His conquest of the universe is gradual but effective. If he had an angel and the ability to transport across the universe quickly *gasp* like having a Supreme Kai to assist him with that. I think Frieza could help increase Universe 7's mortal level VERY quickly! No need for Zeno to wipe him or that universe out.

It occurs to me that granola didnt specify how much stronger than the strongest he'd be with that wish. What if his power level was just 1 higher than the strongest..

Frieza is the best. He can't tolerate ANYONE being his Superior. The moment he saw The Omni Kings they were in danger. He's not even interested in Saiyans at this point....

Dr Doom scenario? In the comics, the world was actually a better place under Dooms rule. Think that'd be Freiza?

Damn, you guys have some good storyline plots

Wreck everyone and leave is pretty accurate lol

Remember that time in the tournament of power when Frieza was formulating a plan to take out the zenos or be above them what if black frieza figured out about killing the kais or leading a rebellion towards the gods because of Zenos decisions to wipe out universe's for fun? Or what if removing all the gods of destruction weakens Zeno???

Whoa Vegeta and Goku having a competition

Senpai's hair is looking like Toad from Mario

Freiza's final form should be stronger than his t-o-p golden form, his golden form is whatever the blue multiplier is (roughly) so even if his black form is X2 golden, that's still OP if his final form is now stronger than his previous golden. Don't fall into the trap of, "transformations are all that matters" mindset most the fandom fall into. His final form went from 120 million, to relevant to god absorbed goku/vegeta, which was shown to play with ssj3 gotenks (a fusion) in only 4 months. Transformations play their part, but don't forget to stack them ontop of massive base gains

I would say probably that with the 10 years training he did to obtain black Frieza that essentially he got a fusion level increase to his power

Frieza still would most likely be killed if he tries to find a way to over throw the gods and kill Zeno.

Frieza would fight better in space according to the author but it has never been confirmed and we've never seen it. Looks like Beerus and Champa can survive in space too. It would be interesting to see the tyrant and Destroyer god fight across planets like the short-lived fight between Champa and Beerus

I'd like to see a Shadow Dragons style arc where Universe 7 have to battle the Destroyer Gods.

I'm so tired of Beerus being an incompetent god and getting away with it; I want Frieza to smack some sense into him

I can see moki telling freiza now lol 😆

since frieza showed up still to this day it is still on my mind about what he did to surpass goku and vegeta in power. it made Moro and granola art look like ants that just got step on. I hope that next arc we at least see beerus fight and step in I want to see his full potential.

I think he will find out about the cube somewhere and use that to travel around

I think he’s going to go to different universes killing their Gods of destruction and hope that makes his defenses weaker. There could be some caveat that the less amount of universes that exist the less amount of power Zeno has and maybe that’s why Zeno was going to nuke everything if 17 didn’t make that wish.

I need to see black frieza make beerus sweat and some feats before I make any judgment calls.

I personally don’t think beerus would just be lazy if he felt a power even close to his

I see a Namek-type arc on the kais planet based on the discussion. if anything i see an all out battle throughout space and some twists ie granola betrayal etc

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Goku and Vegeta should start training in Hyperbolic Time Chamber and use Ultra Divine Water during breaks to boost their power.

So my question about came as I was listening to you both. Assuming freeza beats beerus whether it’s in a fight or otherwise, would that mean vegeta would be the new god of destruction? My only reasoning for this would be the earring he received from beerus in the previous arc signifying he has taken him on as his pupil.

Vegeta:Be Careful My Clown Kakarot Goku:Don't Worry Vegeta I Will

Remember the cube that Frost tried to steal during the U6 vs U7 tournamnet. It was said it could travel the different universes. I think Freiza like Frost will try to steal the cube, but actually succeed. Then he could build a multiversal Freiza force and take down each GoD.

Didn't Zuno tell Shin about another Kai from a different universe asking about Son Goku? Can't remember if that was in the anime...manga...or BOTH lol but I think Frieza getting answers from Zuno (threatening him of course) would cause Zuno to contact the god(s) to let them know what's going down.

The Hyperbolic Time Chamber

Now I’m just wondering what on earth they’re gonna do in animation. If someone’s more in touch with the rumor mill you can let me know but it seems like we’re gettin into fairly big stuff that I dunno if an anime can ignore. Are we just gonna get more standalone movies and ignore the manga? Are we gonna get the new manga arcs and or movies made into an anime? Are they just gonna ignore the manga entirely and make a whole new batch of arcs for a show? Cuz if Frieza is goin after the gods, that’s kinda big. Morro and Granolah I can see them ignoring but not this. I have no clue what theyre gonna do now

I just want someone to actually threaten the gods, even if its not Frieza (Though I hope it is as it fits in with his character) They've gone unchallenged long enough, because even though Frieza would 100% fail in his efforts, it'd be nice just to see the gods get rattled that anyone would actually try to do something as insane as take over the friggen multiverse and overthrow Zeno. Also it'd be a great final hurrah for Frieza to go out on (And never come back again) with his villain's legacy firmly intact.

I don’t think Frieza will be able to beat Beerus at all. Beerus has been built up to be this Don’t Try Him like character. Notice how each time Beerus is about to fight or does fight, it’s finished before you could even call it a battle. Even in the Granola arc, Beerus didn’t show a hint of concern about UI Goku or even Granola. Beerus outright told Vegeta that he may have something that can handle Ultra Instinct. The day we see Beerus fight at 100% max power, that would be the day they show us why they kept writing everybody to be afraid of Beerus. Black Frieza might force Beerus to fight him at his 100% outright but I can see Toriyama having Toyotaro make it to where what we see still isn’t scratching the surface of Beerus’s power.

Frieza is not going to take training from a good nice kind angel smdh but Frieza will seek out more power and if black Frieza got that strong without whis or Beerus it's safe to say Frieza doesn't need them at all but what Frieza needs is powerful allies so he can plan a war on the God's and Angel's

Freeza going after the great priest sounds stupid af 🤣 A decade of training isn't enough to even touch that little guy!

After the TOP, if Frieza goes full God Slayer, I'd find it hard to be mad at him. The gods used the universes for entertainment and planned to blank the losers from existence. It could be an interesting arc.

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Saying he’s 30X stronger because he trained 30X longer sounds good but doesn’t work because he achieved a transformation that is still has unknown limits, but I still see what they’re trying to say. It’s nice to see frieza taking his new life seriously and getting to business, training for 10 years is a great addition to his character.

I am DYING to see a Black Frieza Vs. Beerus fight. Frieza literally said in the T.O.P, after Universe 9 got erased, that he wanted to overthrow Zeno and the G.O.D's. If this fight does happen, we need Beerus to go Full Power. It's past that time. If Goku and Vegeta can't stop Frieza, then the ONLY person in Universe 7 that is strong enough to actually go toe-to-toe with Frieza is Beerus. It makes total sense for Beerus and Frieza to fight, if Frieza does indeed plan to overthrow the Gods.

frieza is slowly turning into the species he hates the most. a saiyan

In dragon ball if you know there’s people stronger than you your training will never slow down like vegeta after seeing goku and beerus his training went through the roof

I think the Gods and Angels have a failsafe in place if a mortal or other worldly being were to threaten their existence. Maybe gods and angels can fuse, for one.

“Geekdom” frieze has been practicing for 10 years “Beerus” is millions of years old i wouldn’t be shocked if beerus still wins But frieza might actually make him train again

The Angels were still around after the universes were erased which included the gods of destruction during the tournament of power. How are the angels going to die if the gods of destruction dies? I thought they just were inactive that does not mean dead I dont think.

Goku said back in the cell saga that Training for an extended period of time in the room of spirit/time was detrimental

Here we go!!!

Trained Broly vs Black Frieza would be epic. Especially if they give broly a new form too. Fanboy in me wants him to have SS4.

Frieza finds out about Yardrat, goes there, learns there techniques, especially instant transmission. Teleports throughout the multiverse, killing all gods of destruction. Using his advanced technology, clones his self, establishes his clones as G.O.D.'S of the vacant universes, Has the angels train him and his clones to their full potential as G.O.D.S.'S. Use potara earrings or figures out Namekian fusion. And merges all of his clones into him. And with all of their powers and knowledge. Teleports to Zeno's planet, challenges and defeats his royal guard's. Challenges Grand Priest narrowly defeating him. Teleports to universe 7. Knocks out Vegeta and Goku. Takes Goku back to Zeno's planet. And Frieza in front of Zeno, threatens to kill Goku, if Zeno doesn't appoint Frieza the new king of all. ( Cuz he cares about Goku ). It could work. And if that works. Frieza then searches the multiverse for powerful warriors to serve as new G.O.D.S'S! Under the emperor's supreme multiversal rule. Just a theory! Does that sound original and a bit outlandish to anyone.

I feel like Frieza gone make OG73 his henchman, I don’t think OG73 is out of the equation yet

Wait for 3 months, until Goku and Vegeta catch up to Frieza ......

Frieza vs WHIS I would find WAY more interesting....

What if he wishes for some saiyan genes so he can get zenkai boosts. Therefore he can exponentially get stronger

To geekdoms point...I think what freeza might do might not be what we think Beerus is not a great G.O.D but what if he could show Beerus up in front of the Omni king basically get him fired...freeza has men everywhere and he has a lot of information under his belt and with the remaining heeters on his side and if he gets zono on his side he will have more info. What if he basically use this info to cause havock in universe 7 and puts himself in a position where he's the only one that can fix it...he saw that the Omni is easily impressed by power and flashy moves so if you wanna get his attention you have to stand out which might explain the black color scheme this time

Question. How long does Goku and Vegeta need in the Hyperbolic time chamber. In Ultra Instinic and Ego to catch up?

black frieza creating a black hole to eat a planet or a universe is what i see in the anime or manga in tunnel vision

I think Frieza should be the final villain. Think about it, he was the cause for the end of the Saiyans including Goku's parents and Vegeta's (although we have no info on Vegeta's mother). Frieza was the space emperor of Universe 7 and a menace so, it should go without saying that he should be the end main villain.

I am sure he is way stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but I garuantee you that Frieza's Black form is broken in that there IS a major weakness Frieza either knows of or doesn't. If they aren't going to have Cooler Canon, my guess is they either will have Frieza do the form or Frost partnered with him and has that form.

It be cool if frieza went into U6 and someone got hit on him and had to deal with a more powerful hit who obviously isn't gonna have a standard fight

What if frieza find a way to universe 6 and destroy planet sadala just to po’ed Vegeta and Goku?

I would like to see Frieza go looking for avenge his beating in the T.O.P by Toppo and Jiren. He goes to eliminate the Pride Troopers

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This could easily be a interesting new take on the Frieza saga but instead of them actually fighting Frieza but chasing after Frieza, the gang finds out who Frieza was actually talking about in the last chapter. Then from there Frieza is like Vegeta of the Frieza arc or TOP slimy but united against one bigger target.

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Everyone going on about someone challenging the Gods but forgets Zamasu basically succeeded in killing EVERY GOD in every universe and became the literal multiverse hahaha how is that not the biggest threat or challenge to the Gods?