10 yrs in isolated training explains why he's much more level headed and reasonable. He probably did a lot of mental training. He was most likely training to beat Gogeta and not goku or vegeta now. He's covering all bases instead of just rushing to battle like he did when he first reached Golden Frieza

Frieza’s potential was the one loose end looming over DBS. Black Frieza is *finally* as menacing as he should be on the multiversal stage.

He trained for 30x longer than he did last time. Absolutely crazy

The Frost Demons are actually terrifying. I feel like Frieza himself could surpass everyone in the universe if he had just trained all the time

See that’s what I been sayin. Frieza’s power is very strong an terrifying. He caught up to them by training for only 4 months and only lost due to his body not being able to handle his new power. Now he trained for 10 years that’s crazy. The creators really better not mess this up.

Imagine a beerus Vs frieza arc. Goku and vegeta clearly can't check Frieza even at their strongest. If Frieza is on beerus level and the angels can't interfere then it would be up to beerus to take care of him. That would be such a different and dope arc from what we've seen

I think frieza didn't want to kill goku and vegeta because he knows goku has friends in higher places! I feel frieza is looking to overthrow all the gods of destruction.

DB fans: "It’s nonsense if Beerus is still stronger than Frieza" Please, we got 17 jumping to Blue tier by watching poachers on a fucking island. The insane gains in Super just resumed and nobody cared. It’s plot. If Toriyama wants Beerus to be stronger, he’s stronger. Get over it, guys.

I don't care how many times Frieza comes back, I'm here for it

It’s wild when Vegeta was training with Beerus, Beerus said, “As long as you’re trapped in the past, you’ll never grow past the point [limit].” Vegeta had to let go of Frieza destroying Planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. With that in mind, I thought at that point Vegeta would be the one to save Frieza from a potential death. It would be Vegeta’s way of acknowledging that the Saiyans brought their demise on themselves and he’d let go of the past. The fact that Frieza was the one to save Goku and Vegeta through it all is a plot twist I didn’t see coming.

The fact frieza took a beating for a straight hour from a blinded by rage broly is enough justification for this transformation. This dude is the definition of built different.

I'm just saying... I'm not a Frieza fan boy... BUT it's Just Amazing how Frieza gained all this power on his Own... He didn't need No wack dragon balls... Granted he wanted to be 5inch taller but who wouldn't wanna be a little taller right?!

Don't forget that there's a chance that Frieza also did mental training during his 10 year training regimen so that could be an additional power boost.

Seth the Programmer put it in a really good way in his video about Black Frieza. 10 years of training seems way too overkill just to surpass Goku and Vegeta. Since Frieza knew about Gogeta, and since he also probably figured Goku would master MUI soon, Frieza might have been training to fight a potential MUI Gogeta. Which would explain the overkill on the training

An arc where Frieza pulls up on Beerus and takes his position from him. And Beerus gets severely humbled, realizing he's been lazy and his dependence on mortals created this problem.

He *has* to be roughly around Beerus' level of power, bare minimum. His training would be pointless, if he wasn't. He's already surpassed Goku and Vegeta by many orders of magnitude, to a point where they're practically not even on his radar at this point, so it's obvious he had done all this training as a means to take someone down who is also vastly above them. Plus, it'd make sense, since defeating Beerus would allow him to obtain the GoD-title and to gain even higher levels of power than he currently does.

I just remembered, Golden Frieza was able to handle a Hakai orb once, then shot it to Goku after a failed assassination attempt by universe 9, and while he may have failed able to handle Toppo's Hakai, he did survive it. Now think of what Black Frieza could now do should he encountered another Hakai.

I don’t think Whis was talking about Granola in the beginning of the Granola arc when he sensed something was wrong. I think he was noticing Freezas power level increasing at an alarming rate💯

Yall need to calm down with these Frieza takes, its getting ridiculous. Stronger than Beerus, stronger than Vegito UI, stronger than Whis. What are you smoking? :/ DB fandom will never change. Overestimating the new characters ------>Underestimating the old characters ------> Gets trolled. Every single time.

I feel like I don't hear friezas name enough when people talk about the greatest anime villain ever

Unfortunately your guest speaker made a lot of incorrect statements. There was no sweat coming from Whis. In fact he basically said to goku that no black Frieza was not the strongest in this universe at th end. Also Frieza NEVER pushed Broly back in the movie. And both Goku and Vegeta were taken off guard by Frieza's transformation AND blitz strike to only be knocked out of their forms. NOT KNOCKED OUT. They were both even groaning in their speech bubbles and it was and frieza was talking to them as he was getting ready to leave. I think I'll need to take some time to go back and really reread the manga. Way too much headstuff, respectfully.

I am so glad you guys talked about this. I am also glad that Frieza has once again became the strongest villain in dragon ball. Great content as usual!

If you look back from super to z, freezer having armor in his first form was to keep his power in, not for protection of himself 😂😂

yo yo thanks for the steady flow of info and perspectives..i thoroughly enjoy them

Yep, Black Frieza is going to change the face of Dragon Ball Super. He’s currently strongest in the universe and probably the strongest mortal in the multiverse. So Goku and Vegeta would need some miracle to catch up to him.

Dude that would be SICK if it turns out Frieza trained with Cooler in the time chamber! Really hope Cooler is made canon soon!

Awesome discussion! Thanks for the video. Excited for this next chapter for sure.

Notice how after Black Frieza one shotted Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta he immediately returned to his current base form (which used to be his last form lol), this shows you he is a much more strategic and intelligent fighter than before compared to Golden Frieza. At the same time, in those 10 years his thirst for killing Goku and Vegeta seems to have lessened significantly because he could have vanquished them then and there but he left them 'for another day'. Plot armor for Goku and Vegeta that protects them for such a fate aside, I like to think the ridiculous boost in power also pushed him mentally to a higher state and perspective, where petty things like revenge don't seem to matter as much as before.

Alright, let's see if Gohan Blanco is strong enough to take down Frieza negro

Frieza packed them boys up! Idk how much further Goku and Vegeta has to train but i don't think it'll matter

Much love Danny thanks for the vids

I love this because we all wondered what kind of power Frieza could have if he trained like Goku and Vegeta and look this is the answer now!

I think a return to martial arts is necessary. At some point, technique and movements, decisive strikes and unique characteristics have to return. Power level is too vague of a criteria and doesn’t account for other battle factors. I think this was best shown by Goku and Hit. They respected eachother as martial artists.

Some people glance over the fact that, Frieza one-shotted Gas in his BASE form. Meaning using his new found form agianst UE Vegeta and TUI Goku nothing but a pure flex. The kind of power Frieza wields if he could very likely 1-shot UE and UI Goku in his normal form makes even the likes of Gogeta or Vegito could have problems save for maybe a hypothetical UE\UI Gogeta or Vegito. Which to Frieza's credit could make sense if he's aiming for surpassing the GOD's and the Gogetas and Brolys of the universe. Beings he had bore witness to, why settle trying to surpass Goku and Vegeta when he should be seeking to surpass Gogeta and Broly?

I think yall going overboard with the Beerus take. Beerus literally destroyed post moro arc Evolution Blue Vegeta without even powering up and with zero effort and would still do the same now. He also has Ui omen on top of his Hakai powers.

DB fandom always wank the new character and underestimate the old ones. Not only Beerus, but even Whis and Vegito now are underrated. And....every single time y'll are wrong :)

I just hope we see a serious beerus sometime soon

You people seem to forget that beerus has been around for 100 million years , he most likely has trained for millions of years , not to mention he was extremely chill in the new movie whilst goku and vegeta were training. If frieza had actually surpassed him, beerus would start training as his pride won't stand for it.

5:42 ya it's like Radtiz coming in at the beginning of Dbz & one shotting goku on Roshis Island & taking Gohan real quick. Ngl it's a good feeling. Finally sumthing to look forward too in Super.

Whis didn't have the sweat mark, Whis isn't nervous.

I knew they had to do something with Frieza’s potential and his new awareness of multiverse and the overall cosmic hiearchy and Black Frieza really seems to be just that I kinda want it so all the characters from the Tournament of Power and even the other Gods of Destruction start getting packed to show he real overpowered Black Frieza really is

Look, we all love Frieza, but y'll didn't learn anything about DB. There is TOO MUCH hype about Frieza, you are gonna be disappointed. He can’t touch Zeno and the Angels. And he can’t one shot the Gods. Toriyama is gonna throw him under a bus (at some point), like with every new form/character.

Keep up the awesome content

Yo geekdom you need to put him on videos more often this was a excellent video excellent talk I loved it from beginning to finish

I love Friezas new form^^ hey Geekdom, i always loved your videos, keep up awesome work ^^

Everyone talks about Beerus, but Frieza may very well aim for someone's else head like Sidra, seems a much easier prey and he would reach the same goal

Would be a Great War arc yo see Frieza not only bring down Beerus and becomes the new God of universe 7 but also start trying to invade other universes as well. Just imagine Frieza with an army of OG73’s thanks to Elec wreaking havoc throughout the multiverse.

Imagine Beerus pummelling Black Frieza and then casually moving on as nothing even happened

Dragon ball may not be the most original or daring lately when it comes to storylines, but these new powerful forms are reinvigorating my love for Dragon ball! Between Black Frieza, Gohan Beast, and Orange Piccolo I'm wondering where Dragon ball is gonna go next!

Honestly, Chapter 87 was one of the best of the whole DBS Manga so far because we finally got to see Gas and Elec get wiped out (I *really* disliked both of them), one of the most brutal kills and Frieza now becoming the undisputed top dog to overthrow the gods (Beerus and co.) which brings me back to the good old days of DBZ when Frieza was not someone to fuck with. Overall, I'm super excited after years of Frieza being nothing more than a punching bag. El Emperador del Mal ha regresado 🔥💪😎

Frieza training to control his bloodlust which is also probably what he did is also terrifying. To see a calm, calculated, and unpredictable frieza with this much power one shot Goku and Vegeta and then dip leaving us to speculate what his intentions are. Frieza although not my favorite villain is definitely the best in the series. Lord knows what’s about to go down but I will say he should definitely be GOD level. Now this could spread across the multiverse and we could get some awesome team ups and explorations. Or lead into Cooler being introduced who knows. Great Video guys can’t wait for the next one.

He one shot Gas WITHOUT powering up guys.

The one thing I will say I respect is they actually made him train off screen to get that strong it makes sense it wasn't just some amazing power up that magically happens so I'm going to go with this one curious to see where they go

I'd really like to hear your opinion or theory on just why Freeza spared Goku and Vegeta.

He just caught Goku and vegeta off guard. Let’s not let it Get to our head.

Can we call him Frieza Negro in order to rival Gohan Blanco?

I don't know about Frieza having a training partner in the Room of Spirit and Time, because I don't think that that is likely, and I do believe that it would be more impressive if Frieza trained alone. However, I do wish that they do something like that, like Frieza makes his soilders train, so that his army can at least be formidable, like I am not saying that he personally trains his soilders, I am saying that he orders them to train. What I would like is for Frieza to order all of his soilders to train, and whichever ones get strong enough, like the ones that are stronger and better than the rest, he will train with them as training partners, and those special training partners of Frieza can become a new team, like a new Ginyu Force, or a Replacement of the Ginyu Force, or things like that, just have more powerful people on his side, and more credible and dangerous teams, so that his forces don't just feel like canon-phother to push around by the Z-Fighters, like they are actual credible threats, not just Frieza himself. That is what I wish would happen, but I wouldn't really get my hope up. Tell me what you all think.

If they bring Cooler into the picture I am honestly curious how they would handle him

I like how ultra ego has the old Vegeta onsie never really liked that he went back to the armor

Waddup big D! good video as always man😎

This move by making Freiza the strongest is the best move I’ve seen them make in super so far but he needs to have a bigger plan then just Goku and company. I hope

Black Frieza will only be his first transformation bank it… he will have something else for fusion… mark my words, he will be insanely strong.

I always find it hard to compare power scales of characters. There’s so many different feats of strength with each character that makes it hard to pinpoint where someone stands. Love this video though! I’m reading the manga right now and can’t wait to get to UE and Black Frieza!

I got a feeling this is a setup for Gohan to be the top dawg again. I don't know why but it just feels like that but who knows

Mentioning the manga, it would’ve been way better if Frieza pulled a real heel move and literally low blowed Goku and Vegeta (like how Dom did Edge last night)

Just a thought or theory I have been having lately. But we know Frieza has telekinesis & I was wandering could Frieza have been training to upgrade that ability into a more advanced form of matter manipulation, including dark matter.

I like the idea of Frieza having cooler as a potential traning partner it would be a good chance for toryiama to make him canon. Also it would be cool if they fused down the line to take on beerus and gogeta or something like that.

Yall say Black Frieza. I say Domino Frieza. Just another setup to get knocked down.

Classic DB fandom. Wanking the new character too much and then getting trolled. Frieza is NOT stronger than the Angels. Guys, stop lol

In tournament of power Frieza kinda stood back watch the hold tournament every fight before he joined the action all those different fighters strength technique

Like the Doug reference at the beginning

I would love to see this Black Frieza vs Gogeta/Vegito with UI & UE

It’s the fact that Frieza NEVER saw TUI or UE and had power to beat them both at the same time with ONESHOT 🙌🏿 He’s definitely Gogeta from The Broly movie level

Neither Beerus or Freeza in his current state have shown their upper limits. It would be awesome to see them duke it out.

Guys. We are going to see Frieza Vs. Beerus. It’s going to happen.

VENI, VIDI, VICI , that should definitely be the name of one of the new chapters whenever they drop ESPECIALLY if Frieza is taking center stage again

It’s crazy that frieza mental trains to get stronger than goku and vegeta . But I don’t think he has crazy feats compare to Gohan. Gohan literally just got mad and powered up to be pair or even stronger than Goku and vegeta . That includes piccolo aswell.

I didn’t even think black frieza is frieze’s final form I feel like he’s hiding something way stronger then what we actually seen so far. Or he’s going to gain something more like OG-73

I think the adding and change of 19 /20 android being in the timeline could be a great way to play on the influence of the time police.

Love your work bro keep it up lol but I need you to do a lightsaber review for me. Your freezer icon with a lightsaber is legendary

It was also stated you can only get so far in the room of spirit of time

Vegito or gogeta easily beat black frieza. This is assuming frieza is at least 10-100x's goku/vegeta. A fusion can be several thousand times stronger than the components involved.

Frieza is a major threat again and I love it!

Love Dragon Ball, love this channel

I've told people this a billion times. they will say beerus is stronger than everyone but whis. the will increase his power.. we haven't seen him at full power.. even the gag character had no affect on beerus

I think it would be kinda neat to have frieza dethrone the omni kings and become one or something similar could be a well done excuse to give other universes inhabitants we’ve seen both a power boost and just in general a reason to bring em back for a major role

Black Frieza got me so Excited 🙌🏽🔥❤️.......

Promotional upgrade, not surprised

It seems to me there's setting freeza up to challenge beers .. just like the introduction of beers he instantly one shot ss3 goku and the proceed to earth to one shot vagita.. also rember how aggressive beers was when he thought vagita wanted his title.the powers deference seems about the same as goku and vagita to beers.. might be the next arch freza God of destruction.. title get him closer to the omni king and other gods makes seence to me just saying

The Beerus gap has to be closed by now, there’s no way they can continue moving the goal post with his power level lol. 10 years of training for Frieza is simply unfathomable

Geekdom aka Danny is an awesome teacher!

You brought up a good point about a training partner. Cooler and Kuriza are good suggestions as made by fan theories but what if it was Frost? I know he’s not on the level where Frieza, Goku and Vegeta are now but in my head it would be a fitting partnership in which Frost would look up to Frieza, help him train and in turn would rule alongside Frieza. Frost was humiliated and wants to get his hands on the universe and his revenge. Perhaps not the best theory but just a thought.

Crazy that Frieza immediately depleted UE Vegeta's damage threshold in one blow. It kind of makes it a useless transformation for anyone that can one-shot him now, until Vegeta trains his body to withstand even more physical punishment. I wish they made UE was as broken as UI, where Vegeta basically becomes immune to damage at a certain point and completely unstoppable the longer the fight is drawn. He needs a damn win.

Can’t wait for the anime‼️

Dudes a multiversal threat now i wouldn't mind a multiversal war between the freeza force and well everyone else

Did Black Frieza only one shot Vegeta and Goku because he feared killing them would trigger a visit from Beerus??

I REALLY want to know if Gohan is the mysterious “strongest warrior “ the fish spoke of. This is also a good time to finally bring in Uub and train him. Once Uub trains he could rival and maybe even surpass the z fighters. A turd under another video said to me Uub would be useless since he’s human as if we didn’t see him offer a gigantic energy ball that helped defeat a final villain without even knowing what he was doing. Take Gohan and have him train Uub for one year in a time chamber and they would emerge as monsters

I hope that Freeza did have a training partner, cause I think this would be more interesting story opportunities.

Dr Hedo makes an youth capsule for bulma to restore her youth,Goku goes looking for her finds himself in the lab ,thinking that the capsules are sweets since bulma wanted it to be masked and not be questioned what she is taking,having him eat a bunch of it causing a side effect that makes him a kid again within minutes,kicking off the GT reboot.

wouldn't broly (easily)surpass frieza if he had the same amount of time in the time chamber? the gohan movie hinted at broly main problem not being able to control his power;if he got that down and seeing at how insanely strong he gets in a short amount of time during battle, i could see him achieving multiple forms. he's practically the z fighters true ace in the hole