Sounds like a movie. Thanks for sharing your memories with us.

That's terrible, what a terrible thing to witness. Did you go towards the crash scene to see if there were any survivors?

Oh gosh, that must've been surreal.

I’m ex RAAF , and I really do sympathise with you. I’ve witnessed three crashes, and I still occasionally have nightmares, even with the benefit of being a professional pilot. I hope you haven’t been too badly affected. It’s one of those things you will never be able to forget.

I was in NorCal online and got an immediate notification of an aircraft crash in Buffalo. I got a live video feed from across the street from the house that was destroyed by the aircraft. I spotted a basketball hoop in the neighbor's yard in the video and pulled up the location on Google Earth. I identified the home that was crushed using street view within 15 minutes of the crash, flames still burning fiercely. This event hit me pretty hard and stuck with me for years. I learned that in the house, the dad named Doug passed away along with his kitty cat. The mom and daughter crawled out of the wreckage of their home. Doug had a big collection of sports memorabilia as I read about him later. The loss of all on board and Doug and his kitty sticks with me every time Buffalo and its winter storms are mentioned on The Weather Channel. What a sad night.

"...unable to cope, the autopilot disengages..."

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@@dr.julianbashir9193 But it's every time LOL! As if the pilot hasn't got enough to worry about!!

The idea is for the flight crew to manage the flight well enough that the autopilot remains within parameters. Autopilots aren’t designed for emergency action or unusual attitude recoveries.

@@Willtellthetruth But an emergency is the one time when you really need it!

Informative comment! I prefer his older ones myself. The co-pilot/ first officer of an air cargo flight which crashed into the Trinity Bay part of Galveston Bay, on approach to IAH in pretty good weather, had also lied in his interview, and never would have been hired by Atlas. The captain of the Atlas Air cargo flight (operating as an Amazon flight) was the pilot monitoring, but he was engrossed in some paperwork, at the time. They were inside some fair-weather cumulus, and the co-pilot went to reach around the throttle, I believe to lower the landing gear, and he unwittingly hit the Take Off/ Go Around (TOGA) switch. The sudden acceleration caused him to erroneously sense an abrupt climb, so he shoved the nose down. That caught the attention of the captain, and about that time, they came out from beneath the clouds, where they both could appreciate their situation. But there simply wasn't enough altitude to recover. I think that they were still implementing that new system to better track pilot's work history database, at the time, but by that time, the co-pilot was already hired. According to the news article that I read, the airline said that they would never have hired him had they known his history, which was mediocre.

I feel like the channel was sold to a different creator

So you are complaining about this channel not providing you with information that you already have??? I'm confused.

@@ryanburch3092 That’s definitely a possibility. Or, the proprietor either got a busier life, or just got bored with it. Any of those are possible. But, with about 1.5 million subscribers, it definitely has monetary value that could easily be sold.

@@thomasjensen6243 I binge watch all their videos, it’s entertaining and background noise. However, I’m giving fair feedback since I love the channel, content & to see the drop off in quality in the name of quantity can’t be ignored for me.

cut corners? What corners were cut exactly?

​@@skyboy1956paying professional pilots instead of cheap pie-lots

​@skyboy1956 they were distracted by their conversation....so....yes he's right

As well as not recognizing a governor failure (probably asserted to the turbine failure). That engine should have been e-handled and forced it into feather before it went flat to the wind.

​@Runway_Behind_You the reference is to the Buffalo crash not the Pakistan

No... there was no hope.

@@KuvDabGib well when you get out of the Roll. you thought they kind of had a handle on things.... there's just something wrong about ATR's.

@@WALTERBROADDUS Wrong thing about ATR series is inadequate anti ice, simple as that.

I really thought 661 was gonna make it 😢

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There’s a pic of her shaking hands with Obama days before the accident.

@@kanpoe7043 dammmmmnnnn

@@kanpoe7043days after the accident too

The first crash highlighted how the Captain had 1. Lied about his training profile, which if noticed by the airline, they would have never allowed him to fly. 2. Fatigue, both pilots had inadequate rest up to the flight, especially for the FO who had been using her mobile in the early hours and also suffering from a severe cold. 3. Breaching sterile cockpit conditions during important phases of flight which led to lack of instrument monitoring and not noticing they left an anti icing system on which meant the stick shaker was activated early (not in an actual stall) which kickstarted the Captain’s wrongful attempt to recover the plane.

The original owner of the channel sold it to somebody else who just re uploads his old videos in a 2 for 1 format.

That's good to know a shame but good to know ​@@christopherweise438

​@@christopherweise438So this is going to be how it is from now on?

​@@christopherweise438 ah, that's very useful to know, thanks! 🙏🏼

You can't speak for everyone, some might like two

This has been said over and over again. Change appears unlikely.

No one likes two videos. Thats crazy

He sold it ?

What is surely missing is the tribute to the lost souls at the end of the clip.

I mean, North American _airlines_ may have not had a fatal crash, but US-built planes sure have killed hundreds of people in the last five years due to downright evil corporate policies and shoddy workmanship/cut corners. Nobody looks to Boeing for safety anymore.

Fatigued yes but the Captain had a very poor training record

Asiana flight 214 was in 2013, and Southwest flight 1380 was in 2018. But it’s true that fatalities from aviation accidents have become much rarer.

The autopilot of that flight is C3PO. - This is too hard fo me I'm off

Quite low is an understatement. I abandoned all plans for a right seat with a larger regional airline when I learned of their miserable pay.

The captain had lied about his training record during recruitment, he had a poor history and his biggest failure was not being able to react to being startled (a stall e.g), so for anyone looking at his profile and this crash it makes perfect sense. However, the copilot was also suffering from a severe cold as well as fatigue after refusing to call in sick, which drastically reduced her performance. Mix this with breaching sterile cockpit conditions during a key phase of flight, this flight was tragic.

@@PatTalisman yep poor captain combined with lax airline standards and this or another crash was all but inevitable.

The human factors involved in this one were textbook. That final error of flaps up in slow flight makes you realize how fatigue and poor and continuous poor decisions correlate….what a mess .

They are mine did provide that environment. Both pilots decided to live thousands of miles away instead.

Look at the turd airbus hung under that incapable wing ! Joke on the travelers ! Shitty joke !

What?

@@keith3970 Yes.

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Was actually thinking the same thing!

I am forever grateful for my RAAF training, where we were taught to use our hands and feet to fly the aircraft, rather than depend too much upon automation. Unfortunately, I have the impression fundamentals are being skimped in order to get inexperienced low time 1st officers into the right seat to skimp on costs.

Unfortunately for flight 661 that is part of the things that failed in the engine they lost all control of engine no1 and could not feather it nor have much if any control over it at all. The ATR has an auto feather system that engages when one engine fails and it did not here because the engine was completely effed up ...... there was little to no chance of actually recovering from that and saving the aircraft it truly was a catastrophic failure due to poor maintenance.

@@SoldierXXL But couldn't they cut off the left engine's fuel line? If the propeller stopped spinning, drag would have been reduced, wouldn't it?

@@MEGAMIGA They probably did as that is standard emergency procedure but it seems the damage prevented any kind of control to the engine this is the kind of freak accident that’s as catastrophic as the rotor assembly coming off a helicopter (one such incident was filmed) I think the pilots realized this and gave it their all here.

@@MEGAMIGA The propeller was windmilling, not turned by the engine.

@@blitzstrahl Oh, my bad!

WTF!

Remember that the next time you need to fly with them.

Rather like their regular drivers licenses then!

You'd have to be a madman to get on a PIA flight... Or extremely desperate.

Never fly Third World Airlines.

And the maintenance engineers probably too.

It was the first one. It led to new regulations regarding the amount of rest required for pilots, how many flight hours before becoming a pilot/first officer, and more simulator training.

That's even dumber than not having cameras.

time is why most folks fly instead of sailing. as ou know; boats take weeks to do what a plane does in hours.

They both were but I enjoyed watching both again

All pitch control on engine 1 was lost it was a catastrophic failure , from what I understand the prop was free spinning and the prop pitch was changing all the time which is what led to the unpredictable behavior of the aircraft due to constantly changing aerodynamic properties. I don't think there was any chance to save that aircraft.

Two complete losses of the Shuttles out of a total of five is a 40% failure rate. Two losses in 135 launches averages out to one every 68.5, not very good odds in my opinion. This is a very good video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMdkjc-k3K3aoHk.html

@@MrChopsticktech Both losses were completely preventable and known to NASA. -Launching Challenger at below freezing temperatures, causing both the first and second Rubber O Rings to shrink and not seal the SRB joint. NASA was up the night before arguing with the Engineers at Morton-Thiokol (The Company in Utah who engineered and manufactured the SRB’s) who insisted the temperature was too low and not to launch as it posed a serious risk. No shuttle ever launched in temperatures that low. NASA went ahead regardless. -When NASA finally informed the Columbia crew that the foam strike occurred but assured them it wasn’t anything serious and isn’t going to be an issue. They did not think something as light as foam could do the damage it did. (Not learning from the Atlantis foam strike). Decision makers at NASA were warned and knew of both potential risks but proceeded regardless. Nothing about Challenger, Columbia or their Crews had anything to do with either orbiter’s destruction. Complacency and Assumption are a deadly combination. A combination that has no place in a car. An Aircraft. Let alone the Space Shuttle Program.

Columbia could not dock with the ISS. It was an older shuttle and IIRC could not reach the altitude of the ISS. For this reason, it was restricted to science missions and never used to connect with ISS.

no survivors

This channel isn't what it used to be.

No. All 49 passengers and crew on board died, plus one person who was in the house it crashed into. 50 dead in total.

47 souls lost on the second crash, too.

They did a video on it before, Idk if that’s why.

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You mean the ones that have been done to death by other channels

Hey, idea....make it yourself!

@@Sweetthang9 Whenever you're just taunting me or geniunely suggesting it, i'll be sure to consider it regardless. Cheers! 😁👍 Edit: Grammar.

@@leandrosouza48-t8t We have not had new episodes on TFC for quite a while so your request for new videos is unlikely to be honored.

wtf where did you fly with aeroflot in such conditions?

@@fteussh Mineraldy Vody in the Baksan valley in 1995, climbing trip in Caucasus.

PAKISTAN INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES OR PIA. ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN. alcohol was not present as it is prohibited in islam and pakistan is an islamic country. plus the cut scenes etc were also censored due to this reason. with the airplane being old, i can agree with that cause even with the new planes, theres just so little maintenance and that causes all this stuff. sorry to hear about your bad experience though. From pakistan

@@johndoyle4723 well looks like you got yourself a regional cargo An2 mate 😁

Haha, some flights in Russia are surreal. One crash was due to an Aeroflot captain in 1986 making a bet that he could land the plane blind. The bet was agreed and the cockpit curtains were drawn. They landed too hard and too fast and flipped, unfortunately. 70 people died. The captain survived and was sentenced to 15 years.

Feeder Pilots and Feeder Carriers were brought under review for the lengthy work hours and limited rest time that they endure. Feeder carriers typically have (5) flights per day and are not well rested. Feeder Pilots are young and less experienced.

I was confused what you were talking about because the Colgan Q400 had nothing wrong with it and was pilot error but then I noticed this was a 2 in 1

The pilot in the second crash lost control of the plane because of shoddy maintenance….not his fault

It was a lot different tho. It was uncommanded autofeather so even if that engine shutdown, it'll not affect the safety of the flight since the propeller had been feathered already by the faulty ATPCS (cmiiw) and hence drag from that propeller was eliminated already. They can just return back to the airport with the remaining engine, but the stupid crew decided to shut down the properly working engine instead the failed one and that's where things went downhill. No power at all at low altitude and grim reaper is waiting for you at the door.

no such saying.

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As far as i understand. That ATR has an automatic feather system. But the engine was too fucked up to feather the prop at that point.