There was way too much talking for a silent tier list

Backstab's beta art is a Caesar Salad, because he was stabbed in the back. Ha

Interesting note in case no-one else knew, Corpse Explosion's healthbar damage stacks for each corpse explosion used on an enemy, if you use 1, it'll do that full healthbar, if you use 2, it'll do 2 healthbars, 3 for 3, so on and so forth.

Rank on 'dopamine on seeing it' and 'availability to play regularly' 1:35 A Thousand Cuts (D) 3:05 Accuracy (B) 4:35 Acrobatics (A) 6:00 Adreneline (A) 6:55 After Image (S) 7:20 Alchemize (S) 8:22 All-Out Attack (B) 9:38 Backflip (A) 10:18 Backstab (C) 13:22 Bane (C) 15:20 Blade Dance (A) 17:08 Blur (S) 18:17 Bouncing Flask (B) 19:51 Bullet Time (C) 20:47 Burst (S) 22:14 Calculated Gamble (A) 23:13 Caltrops (A) 24:56 Catalyst (B) 26:56 Choke (D) 28:12 Cloak and Dagger (B) 30:45 Concentrate (B) 31:56 Corpse Explosion (S) 32:35 Crippling Cloud (A) 33:33 Dagger Spray (A) 34:18 Dagger Throw (A) 35:18 Dash (B) 36:40 Deadly Poisen (S) 37:56 Defend (C) 38:27 Deflect (B) 39:32 Die Die Die (S) 41:12 Distraction (F) 42:29 Dodge and Roll (B) 43:30 Doppelganger (D) 44:08 Endless Agony (C) 45:00 Envenom (B) 47:05 Escape Plan (C) 48:22 Eviscerate (C) 48:55 Expertise (C) 50:02 Finisher (D) 52:26 Flechettes (A) 53:43 Flying Knee (B) 54:50 Footwork (S) 55:15 Glass Knife (A) 56:11 Grand Finale (C) 56:57 Heel Hook (D) 57:38 Infinite Blades (A) 58:53 Leg Sweep (S) 1:00:39 Malaise (A) 1:02:29 Masterful Stab (F) 1:03:07 Neutralize (S) 1:04:09 Nightmare (S) 1:05:00 Noxious Fumes (S) 1:05:15 Outmaneuver (F) 1:05:55 Phantasmal Killer (C) 1:06:36 Piercing Wail (S) 1:07:20 Poisoned Stab (A) 1:08:14 Predator (A) 1:09:00 Prepared (C) 1:10:03 Quick Slash (B) 1:11:26 Reflex (B) 1:13:01 Riddle with Holes (D) 1:14:08 Setup (F) 1:15:51 Skewer (B) 1:17:22 Slice (B) 1:18:30 Sneaky Strike (DS) 1:19:11 Storm of Steel (C) 1:20:02 Strike (DS) 1:20:33 Sucker Punch (A) 1:21:16 Survivor (B) 1:21:50 Tactician (A) 1:22:24 Terror (C) 1:23:50 Tools of the Trade (B) 1:25:09 Unload (B) 1:26:15 Well-Laid Plans (W) 1:26:15 Wraith Form (W)

I've never taken choke in my deck, but getting one free from an attack potion with a shiv deck is pretty nice.

Not gonna lie dude, I love watching these rating videos. They help me better understand how StS works, and you’ve definitely changed my opinions about a few cards!

I never pogged so hard til I beat the Time Eater with a shiv deck. It was a rough fight, but it was one of the most satisfying wins imo.

Corpse Explosion against Donu and Deca is the shit.

I just started playing a few weeks ago and wanted to look up a few things to get me in the right mindset for how to approach a run. These tier lists popped up and have entertained me more than most things recently, great content

Be me Take rare for whale bonus Get bullet time Stack the deck with high cost cards Take a second bullet time Die when I draw both bullet times with wounds and burns.

Did you disagree with me on where (insert card here) was placed?! WELL HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE OH SO WRONG HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I think that its interesting that all of the STS characters would make really good and really cool D&D characters.

Blade Dance is easily one of the best cards in the game, almost deserving of its own tier. It only sucks against thorns, and can only be tricky to use against Time Eater.

Was anyone else just not paying attention to Frost for backstab but instead staring at chat having a 200IQ moment with the beta art

It took a while for me to realize how good Glass Knife is and now it's my favorite rare to see in act 1, especially as a choice from Neow. That card murders elites.

The Caesar salad art for backstab actually made me laugh

the mech from all-out attack is very clearly a Mad Cat from mechwarrior; with it's iconic dual rocket pod variant.

My first win with a run was with my own version of a Shiv deck, where Finisher easily took home MVP for me. 2 Blade dance + 2 Slice + 2 Backstabs + 2 Endless Agonys,+ Another Shiv from "Infinite Blades", Masterful Stab. Upgraded Adreline to get more Energy. The above cards and setting up with "well-Laid plans", guaranteed atleast 40+ dmg with a single Finisher, every time. UNDERRATED card if you ask me

I listened to your opinions on defect, which was by far my worst class, and I managed to win multiple runs today. I had never even realized how op echo form was until u said it, its won me so many runs now

Perhaps after the cards tier list is done, there could be a relic tier list

Catalyst - it's obviously not a card you take with every deck, however my most dominant builds/wins are typically catalyst decks, so it's a card I rank high, however it's obviously not a card you take with every deck. While I typically don't force builds, catalyst is sometimes the exception... I sometimes take catalyst hoping to force a catalyst deck (which acts as a curse card, until you can get a poison deck going). Catalyst is a card that could almost be a 2 cost card and I would understand. So it's difficult to rank. If you look at it from the perspective of most dominant builds, it's probably the strongest card in the deck, but overall it's a circumstantial card and definitely not an auto take card, so it's difficult to rank.

my first heart kill was as the silent with 2-3 upgraded catalysts and 2 bouncing flasks, in addition to a few misc poison cards- whatever I thought would work at the time. I ended up stacking over the amount of poison that the heart was allowed to take by round 2.

I feel like each card needs three different situational ratings: "early game", "with synergy", and "without much/any synergy".

Honestly re: finisher at 50:30 ish, I had a hand where there were 3 blade dances+ with accuracy already set up, and finisher was just the cream on top. It was a beautiful fight.

Great video, funny and insightful at the same time. I like Silent the most but it's damn tricky to build correctly, many cards rely on others to be good.

Tbh I feel offended by putting sneaky strike below f tier. I probably take it as often in the early game as some other strike+ cards, silent can surprisingly support the card with just 1 or 2 extra cards and it has double strike value, nearly triple upgraded. probably high D or low C tier for me edit: Also, the card benefits from bad draws because if u draw 4 defends and need lethal, sneaky strike is still 3 energy deal 12, so it has some density value even without synergy. Obviously, the value is garbage, but it's a last-resort niche, not the main point of the card.

I recently did 1500 poison in one turn with nightmare + catalyst All the credit to nightmare for making it happen I had no idea it could be so good

10:18 “backstab” was the most Chicago/Wisconsin/Minnesota accent I’ve ever heard in my life 😂 I love this guy

Realizing that “one draw” means nothing usually shouldn’t have blown my mind

Finisher is a straight up jam in a deck with multiple blade dances. If you can pop off 12 shiv cards and use finisher it's pretty satisfying

I recently beat the heart on ascension 20 for the first time. Despite having 35 cards, I kind of felt like the deck was just my two wraith forms, after image, 3 caltrops, and 5 piercing wails with a runic pyramid from act 1. Everything else kind of felt like whatever. Even the blade dance with kunai + fan + shuriken just felt like it was along for the ride.

A bit of a mald on Thousand Cuts. In a poison deck, yeah, it's a worse Noxious Fumes. The thing it brings to the table is adding AOE to shiv decks that already have a Cloak and Dagger or two, and at least one Blade Dance. I think it can be hard to play sometimes, but when you need AOE in a shiv deck it's very helpful. Also, to a lesser extent than Caltrops, it allows you to do damage when you don't have spare mana to play offensive cards. I'd probably put it in low B, since I think it's really bad in poison decks, but isn't better than Die Die Die unless the fight is long.

I got into this game recently and I found this video and I do love this list it helped me with learn about power level and scaling my first deck I ever played with this class was a discard deck and it was nuts and it was my first win

Your Ironclad ratings got me from A18 through A20. Looking forward to seeing the same here for Silent.

The best thing about acrobatics is the discard 1. The discard synergy with sneaky strikes/eviscerates wins act one pretty easily. The draw 3 becomes way better later game. Which is basically what Frost said lmao

Thanks to these videos I got my first heart kill on the silent today. Only took me 1Hr 41min and 3 wraith forms

Ive been screwed over way to many times by taking an early riddle with holes and doing 1×5 damage for 2 mana after the lagavulin debuff.

Btw, I watched this one after doing a shiv run with the gain block card, and it was so incredibly easy for even me that I had to watch this video to see what you said about them

"why isn't [insert card here] higher/lower?! Frost literally stupid poopoo head reeeeeee!!!" -wrong opinion gang

Just found this channel and wow I love how you blend your great explanations with really funny bits. You also brought up so many funny card situations that I ran into too. Can you do a tier list of relics?

BACKSTAB should be higher as taking it early enables you to retain crucial hit points. Hit points are the bane of Silent and so many times I'm using all of the rest areas to heal and not upgrade. Early upgrades also save hit points. So give me 2x backstabs a blade dance and cloak and dagger[upgraded hopefully] and Im upgrading all the time. Later on the synergy with Kunai, the fan, ninja and shuriken relics along with after image is phenomenal. You start your combat with 2 or 3 Strength, dexterity and umpteen block sets you up for the remainder of combat. Of course its a one use card but that in itself means your deck is smaller after first draw.

Caltrops is really strong against two of the act 1 bosses too and silent can really struggle against them.

37:00 After I did some math, I found that Bouncing Flack has more value than Deadly Poison per mana But I still love you Frost, amazing vid

I found something interesting today. If the Envenom power is active, BANE will always hit twice. That's important to know, it makes bane a lot more consistent IMO.

Bouncing Flask deserves a higher spot. Its a good bit of poison, boosted immensely by Snecko Skull, and absolutely SLAUGHTERS with Sadistic Nature, but even without all that, I find it one of the more satisfying poison cards.

I think defaulting to looking at the upgraded versions of cards is borderline irresponsible. Like, saying that Dagger Spray is "1 mana, 12 damage AoE" is a bit silly. I'd guess that probably like 70+% Dagger Sprays in A20H winning decks are unupgraded.

I'd argue that Setup is actually good, especially in thinner decks or decks with a lot of rotation. If you have a draw card on hand, it's good for making cards you want to play ASAP more accessible, but you can also make cards you don't currently want or need to play cost 0, and then play them when they come back around to you, since according to the card description, they _should_ remain costing 0 until they are played, even if they're reshuffled into the draw pile again from your hand. It can also let you delay playing cards, for a chance to get better synergies in your hand on your next turn, like a bootleg retain effect. Setup+ provides a lot of free situational versatility and is very rarely a useless card to have on hand. It needs other cards to be _immediately_ useful, but it's always great for setting things up.

Shiv’s are truly spectacular now, Ive had some CRRRRRRIIIISSSPPYYY runs with shivs lately

Can someone explain to me why Wraith Form is good? it looks awful to me and I have beaten A20 3 times before. Invincibility this turn and the next, for 3 mana? Enemies don't even attack half the time, so it's like invincibility for one turn, I have to draw it on that turn, I'm screwed if the fight goes longer because of -dex ... it just sounds situational, unreliable, and mediocre.

Do not underestimate how strong choke is in a heavy draw deck with zero cost cards or a discard deck

A Thousand Cuts is really fun in Mummified Hand runs. You can just overload your deck with a bunch of power cards and loop.

I personally catalyst is S tier because I had a run where I killed awoken boss in 3 turns, first turn: used poison twice, second turn: use 3 catalyst this killed first stage of boss, third turn: used a catalyst and then used a duplication potion to double effect basically 2 catalyst, then used my last catalyst, all these are upgraded so each catalyst tripled, I do agree I did get lucky but It was mostly just smart deck building, personally I think catalyst is really useful all the time, you just have to make a deck focused on it, honestly think he was wrong, if you get a ton of catalyst.

I was initially shocked by Sneaky Strike's ranking because I just had a great heart-killing run with them, but then I remembered that they were so good because I had a bottled Tools of the Trade, so they were basically just boosted Slice cards.

Personally Eviscerate has some great uses for me, the deck that wants it isn't that common buut, if you've got a discard deck that cycles a lot (a recent run had a reflex, tactician+, two acrobatics, a prepared+, some dagger throws etc.) having a 0 cost way to deal big damage can make that deck shred enemies to pieces while letting you use your tactician energy to play more draw cards. Very niche and I think C tier is right, but there are times when eviscerate really shines. a couple stars have to align, sure, but it has its moments.

Feel like if terror applied one vulnerable per turn rather than all up, it would be so good

I just want to say that this tierlist helped me finally pass a run with the silent, it was a venom build. The main combo was Envenom + Sadistic Nature. Sadistic Nature it's nuts with poison.

5-head here, can confirm Grand Finale is still hard as hell to use.

"Recently shivs got an upgrade" IPad: Am I a joke to you?

I use choke with acrobatics and bullet time. Acrobatics helps you draw into choke/bullet time, whichever you need. Then you have a 9 card hand that lets choke deal a shit ton of damage. Especially if you have a blade dance or two in your hand. You can choke one enemy and focus attack the other enemies and choke will kill on its own.

Gosh I hope we get more of these long form videos

Catalyst and Corpse Explosion can wreck. It's easy to overvalue Catalyst and to try to make it work when it won't. It's still good if it applies say 10 or 12 poison in hallways, though obviously you want more for bosses. If it's just a crappy Deadly Poison, hopefully you can just play something else that turn. In a lot of decks, the best case easily justifies the deck space.

i lost 5 games before this video finished : )

Whelp, I didn't have time for an hour and a half video, but I guess I can make an exception.

Man, you are genius! Beat the Heart in first run! Was not able to do it for 140+ hrs!

The cut at the beginning was excellent

Blade dance easily outclasses die die die, because each individual blade can scale. +1 strength on blade dance is +4 damage, from 16 damage to 20. Die die die increases to 18. +1 strength isn’t much, but in decks which can consistently throw out buffs, blade dance scales 4x as fast as die die die

For Dash vs Cloak and Dagger, something else to note is just how well Dash matches up against Act 1 elites. Vs the Lagavulin, C&D suffers a lot more from strength and dex loss, vs the Gremlin Nob it's a way to block without the Gremlin Nob gaining strength, and vs the Sentries it's enough on its own to fully block one Sentry attack, as well as being more value-dense when you reshuffle and are limited more by dazes than energy. Without that fact (say act 2, and you don't have a necronomicon or sneko eye) I'd put them about on par for a non-shiv deck.

i found ur channel and now i cannot stop watching ur content

I literally just won a run because of Sneaky strike. I was using a heavy discard deck and it worked fantastic

had a phenomenal shiv/poison build recently: ennervate, victimize, wrist launcher, thousand cuts. each hit from a shiv dealt 17 targeted dmg, 7 aoe dmg, and 2 poison.

Hovering kite + tools of the trade and reflex/tactician deck is my favorite thing in this game

i think if sneaky strike worked like a reverse eviscerate and depending on the amount of times you’ve discarded in a single turn, you’ll get a certain amount of energy return

I'm disapointed. Why there is no G tier for Grand Finale? It's a such meme it should have its own tier like Claw or Clash.

Counterpoint for Sneaky Strike: You have no idea how many times I've managed to give myself free energy by playing setup on sneaky strike and then going acrobatics. Or how much mileage I got out of this card with tools of the trade. It's definitely not the best because you do need to have that 2 energy to play it without setup and 12/16 isn't THAT much damage for a single card later on in the game, but damn is it fun to successfully pull off and clutch playing all your cards in one turn with just enough energy. Definitely no lower than a C tier for me.

I beat the Heart for the first time today, and it was with ma main gurl Silent. Really loving this game, started 2 weeks ago. This video has been incredibly helpful. I don't think I would've been able to beat the Heart without watching it.

Amazing content you provide. Everytime I watch any of your videos I automatically pass from 60% wr against the bosses from the third act to get killed in the middle of the second world. Great content! 👍 xD Old dog doesnt learn new tricks I guess.

I feel line Envenom is only ever bloat, if you have enough shivs to trigger it to deal a decent amount of poison, you don't need poison, and if your running poison, there are better poison cards.

I had a run this morning where masterful stab cost 25 energy against the heart. Pretty big

I like how he didn't even say anything about Wraith Form, just put it in W tier

I Love how everytime he puts a card in a tier theirs a floop sound effect

I've been waiting on this, perfect timing I can listen at work. Thanks frost

Okay so Sneaky Strike has sick synergy with Bullet Time and / or setup and / or Monkey Paw where playing it will gain you 2 energy. Let me just tell you that running deck where you can pull off x2 sneaky strikes at 0 cost into an X-cost card is probably the biggest dopamine hit this game has to offer.

I didn’t know how good well laid plans was until I picked it one time in a hallway fight reward because the other two cards were absolute garbage and I didn’t have a very big deck. I won that run so easily 😂

Catalyst is SS+ tier

Complete misjudgement of "prepared". Sure, the unupgraded version is garbage, but judging the card based on its unupgraded version, is not doing the card any justice. The upgraded version is an extremely strong tutor. Anything that costs 0 mana and helps make your turn better, is almost infinitely strong. In the early game, you usually only have 3 mana, but 5 cards. So you can only play 3 cards to begin with, whether you end up with 4 cards or not is irrelevant. However, using prepared+ means you can choose the best 4 cards out of 6 other cards, meaning you get to look at 1 additional card than you would have actually had (if you had not taken prepared). Since you can only play 3 cards in the early game, being able to look at 1 additional card is similar to drawing an additional card for 0 mana. It makes your turn better, and it helps you cycle through your deck for 0 mana. Since each additional card in your deck is much stronger than your base cards, being able to get to these cards faster for 0 mana, is much stronger than you give it credit for. So even without any synergy cards, prepared+ is a monster of a card, even at 5+ mana. The fact that this card can go absolutely bonkers with specific decks (especially small size ones) is just added benefit. I would already rate its use as a standalone card, much higher than you give it credit for. I usually take every single prepared i find, and i make it a priority to upgrade it. Upgrading another card might seem good, but if you never get to play that card, then your turns just suck and you will take damage. Other cards are already better than your base cards to begin with, so making sure that you actually draw them, and draw them faster, makes your deck more consistent and stronger overall, than having an upgraded card in the latter part of your deck which you never arrive at (in a usual hall fight)

He reviews Setup immediately after I take setup.. then pickup well laid plans in the shop. Time to find wrist blade lmao

Doppelganger+Skewer is like one of the few good Doppelgangers. And yeah, still pretty sad without chemx, and Adrenaline + Skewer is almost as strong and much much more flexible.

Funny how tierlists makes you understand the character better than guides in yt 🧐

I think Envenom is great with shivs in boss fights specifically, where that damage can REALLY add up.

I do agree with wraith form deserving its own tier, especially when upgraded. It can carry almost any run.

i'm the type of trash that takes like 5 backstabs AND upgrades them.

Catalyst is POG. I once had a run where I had four upgraded and a poison cloud. Could practically oneshot anything

Playing the silent with a dead branch, a bunch of shivs/storm of steel and bullet time is some of the most whack games i have played

Bane is definitely no higher than a D. I would only take it in the 2nd half of the 1st floor (if I already have some poison applicators), because before it I want block and afterwards I want my deck to be thinner OR I already have enough damage

My only heart win so far has been with a set up/nightmare/catalyst deck. I feel personally attacked by that list. Edit: Set up is good when upgraded, so its costs 0, and you have some draw cards. Means you could get that 0 cost card this turn instead of the next.

I find it funny how he says act 3 hallway fights last longer than the other two acts, because for me I always find its act 2 ones that take ages for me.

Do I agree with all of these rankings? No. Do I rely on these rankings? Not a ton. What is *invaluable* is seeing his brain works and seeing the things he weighs when it comes to evaluating these cards. It's been a game changer.

Clothesline is actually nuts if you can use Setup on it and play it after having discarded a card, as you end up with 2 extra AP. Lets you play many cards in succession when combined with, say, Acrobatics or Reflex.

Riddle with Holes from a pure mathematical standpoint is better than Heavy Blade. ...Except that Silent has much less strength. Ironclad has Spot Weakness, Inflame, Limit Break, Rupture, and can find all of the relics that grant strength alongside a few class specific ones, namrly Red Skull and Brimstone. Silent has none of that. Silent has no cards that give strength, nor unique relics. She'll be getting strength from Shuriken, Vajra, Du-Vu Doll, Sling, or maybe Jaxxing I guess? Shit like that. Thats not even saying that Heavy Blade is a better card, mind you, though neither are all that great, but I feel that saying "It's a heavy blade that scales better" is a bit dishonest.

What’s the highest cost Masterful Strike yall’ve ever gotten? My record was a 20 energy cost one during the heart fight that I still played w/ a bullet time