Man. If you were born Polish in 1900 you were about to go through a whole lot of bad if you survived to fifty.
@Wladyslaw_Raginis3 жыл бұрын
It was, i have the example of my great grandparent
@Turntapp3 жыл бұрын
You wouldn’t be i the clear for the next 100 years. 2 World wars and communist rule and its effects lasted until probably 2000.
@WhiteCamry3 жыл бұрын
It really makes one appreciate emigration, doesn't it?
@comdo8313 жыл бұрын
It was so tough, makes you wonder how come they weren't the ones to come up with rap music. It's a hard knock life...for us...
@poiuyt9753 жыл бұрын
@@Turntapp The effects still last and will for generations.
@IronWolfOverland3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for addressing this bit of history. My family is Lithuanian; but my father’s side spoke Polish, and fought on the side of the Poles. My mother’s side fought for the Lithuanians.
@reshmer30333 жыл бұрын
And do You speak Polish?
@IronWolfOverland3 жыл бұрын
@@reshmer3033 , sadly, no. Studied Polish but never reached a point of being conversational. Similarly with Lithuanian and Russian. I suppose it will be easier for me to learn again having studied once. My mother recently told me that my grandfather once scolded her for teaching my oldest sister Lithuanian instead of Polish. But none of his descendants in the US speak Polish.
@reshmer30333 жыл бұрын
@@IronWolfOverland Ar Tu nors kalbi lietuviu kalba?
@petardos26843 жыл бұрын
Maybe your family name is Pilsudskis if that the case 🤔😉
@IronWolfOverland3 жыл бұрын
@@petardos2684 , actually the family names are Lapinskas, Loda, Noreika, Skirmontas, Noviskis, Montvilius, and, of course, Jagelevicius / Jagiełłowicz. As I heard the story, Great Uncle Benedict left the family home near Vandziogala to join Piłsudski’s Legions. The Lithuanian authorities arrested him when he traveled home, and he later died in their custody. As my father explained, Benedict saw no issue - he lived in the Commonwealth and fought for the Commonwealth. The Lithuanian authorities saw it differently ... A very complex time!
@TheRealUcanUwill3 жыл бұрын
As a Lithuanian, I got to say, no one ever pronounces our funky names right, but you were pretty close Jessie, I will give you a solid 8 on Lithuanian name pronounciation.
@jessealexander26953 жыл бұрын
I had a Lithuanian friend help me out, and tried to imitate as best I could :)
@FeedMeMister3 жыл бұрын
I do always enjoy Jesse's feats of pronunciation, I even pause sometimes to give myself a go.
@stupidsmart82843 жыл бұрын
Well111 Lithuainians sign a treaty thath with the soviets they would get back Klaipėda and Vilnius after they get annexed by the soviets the soviets even ofered to give Kaliningrad but we declined.
@TheRealUcanUwill3 жыл бұрын
@Well111 Yes, definitely. Too bad Germans and Soviets werent as cooperative going forward. When I was in highscool and we were taught about this war, I cant find source anywhere, but I am vaguely remember one thing. Lithuanians had a shot at finishing Poles on their own, but one of Polish Generals pulled an amazing misdirection move and captured Vilnius. I cant find it anywhere, but I remember that somehow Poles convinced Lithuanians that they are retreating, or pulling back to fight Russians, that lead Lithuanians leave Vilnius believing threat is gone, while in reality that Polish army was in fact misdirecting and crashed right into undefended VIlnius, and thats how they really captured it.
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
@@oazeje12358 Awesome video. My mother's family lived in Vilnius at the time. People of Vilnius spoke Polish and considered themselves Lithuanian. They were loyal to the idea of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. When Taryba proclaimed independence of Lithuania, they promised a Lithuanian speaking state separate from Poland. Polish speaking Lithuanians of Vilnius wouldn't have it. Piłsudski himself always considered himself LITHUANIAN. The division drew lines in families too. First president of Poland Gabriel Narutowicz had a brother (Stanislavas Narutavičius) who supported the Lithuanian Republic's side and drew the Lithuanian declaration of independence. Polish speaking Lithuanians either supporter the Republic of Lithuania or the Polish commonwealth. The conflict is said to have saved the Lithuanian language. As an act of defiance, Polish speaking Lithuanians learned and started speaking the language of their ancestors. Polish was a prevalent language in Lithuanian at the time. When Zeligowski's division was approaching Vilnius, some soldiers deserted not wanting to fight their brothers. Orders were shouted in Polish on both sides. Not every Lithuanian spoke Lithuanian but every Lithuanian spoke Polish. Dying soldiers on both sides were praying in Polish which was heartbreaking to everybody. I'm proud that Lithuanians were able to survive as a nation and were able to preserve their once endangered language.
@peaou3 жыл бұрын
as a lithuanian, never seen events of that part of history laid down in such a broad and yet deep strokes. thanks for creating such a quality video
@twisters9992 жыл бұрын
True. And as I watch this... Crazy times! A lot of brother's blood had to be spilled just for us to understand that we are brothers. United we are strong. Divided we are the weakest for our neighbours. Sveikanai iś Lenkijos ;) Greetings from Poland
@Bambino88889 ай бұрын
@@twisters999absolutely. crazy times. I am from Lithuania and I dont want to ever fight Polish ✌️
@twisters9999 ай бұрын
@@Bambino8888 Jus mūsų broliai ir seserys! And We will never fight Lithuania again. That's I'm sure looking at our stable and great relations. Not only amongst govs but people! ❤️ And even I learned(learn) some Lithuanian :) sveikinai iš Lenkijos! Love to Lithuania 🇵🇱 ❤️ 🇱🇹
@gvidasmaurutis28698 ай бұрын
paklausk lenkų apie tai, Wilno nasze @@Bambino8888
@elegantslave0lolguy7398 ай бұрын
Mmmm how did you know, can see future.
@sandylopez93462 жыл бұрын
As Polish im happy that our nations are independent . We have had great history together and now hope peace will unite us and let us live free and happy . Salute Lietuva!!!
@erwinner89299 ай бұрын
🧐🧐🧐
@piggyraccoon54648 ай бұрын
You are saying that only because Poland gained more territory
@erwinner89298 ай бұрын
Sandy Lopez is not a Polish name????
@erwinner89298 ай бұрын
@@piggyraccoon5464 she is not even Polish, just look at her acount, she is clearly lying
@robtherobber69678 ай бұрын
Spy.
@Mika-4353 жыл бұрын
For those of you who were wondering, Vilnius would eventually be handed over to Lithuania in 1939 by the USSR after the Red Army captured the city from the Poles. Less than a year later, of course, the Red Army would "compel" Lithuania to join the USSR.
@ukaszbiaek66413 жыл бұрын
@Jonas Lozorius yes and no, it was part of Polish Lithuenian Commonwealth after 1570 when it was de facto one country. Would citizens of Vilnus consider themselves as Poles, Lithuenians or just citizens of Commonwealth is another part- look at Adam Mickiewicz- he writes in polish and considers himself as Pole, but also writes Lithuenia my fatherland. Complicated as f
@iBreakAnkles4Fun3 жыл бұрын
@@ukaszbiaek6641 Polish lithuanian commonwealth was a union not annexation by Poland. Any Pole that thinks Vilnius is Polish should try claim Chocago as Polish too because a lot of Poles live there lol
@ukaszbiaek66413 жыл бұрын
@@iBreakAnkles4Fun when did I said that it was annexation? I poited out the problem that many people who lived in Lithuenia considered themselves citizens of Commonwealth of just Poles. Hec, Marshall Piłsudzki was born in Zalavas in vilenian district but considered himself as a Pole. You don`t get the point.
@rysia823 жыл бұрын
@@iBreakAnkles4Fun Also many of the citizens/majority of Wilno didn't consider themslef as a Lithuanian nation but simply citizens of Lithuania.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@msx Nice bait, empty troll account :) Attempting to equate the entirety of modern Lithuania to just Samogitia is beyond absurd. Specially since it includes almost the entire voivodeship of Trakai of the former grand duchy(a voivodeship which was always overwhelmingly Lithuanian) and Vilnius. The historical flag is there as what it is - the historical flag. Very much still in use today. It is there to be a symbol of history and to say "we were part of that". Ruthenian language was chosen for the chancellery of GDL by the grand dukes as simply - a practical decision, given the geopolitical situation of the time. This does not mean Lithuanians abandoned their language and started speaking Ruthenian. Also, everyone still very much knew which language was Lithuanian, even deep into the years of the commonwealth. See: panegyric to Sigismund III Vasa(1589). Hensel's 'Linguistic map of Europe'(1741). The surviving "Lithuanian language primer for kids" 18th century books published in Vilnius. The languages used in the 1791 May 3rd constitution. The Lithuanian works listed and sponsored by Rotundus, etc.
@vytautas83 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Lithuania. The amount of historical accuracy is astonishing. Thank you for this.
@barbaravintagehotties16032 жыл бұрын
Fellow family bravo from the states
@twisters9992 жыл бұрын
Sveikinai iś Lenkijos! Well said history but please ;D Don't fight each other again ok? hah ;D All the best to Lithuania from Poland, Brothers! Only United we mean something to this world. I love your country :)
@chrishanzek89303 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the average soldier felt when after quitting fighting in the Czar's army, he ends up being conscripted again 2 years later by the Bolsheviks who came to power by promising an end to war.
@jangrosek43343 жыл бұрын
A distinctive feature of the civil war in Russia was the passivity of ordinary soldiers from former tsarist army who did not want to fight in new conflicts. They often deserted or could surrender to the enemy if this option could help them return home. White, Red and other forces often mobilized a young generation of 16-20 years old who had no military experience of the First World War. WWI veterans were represented in the Green movement, so their uprisings were difficult to suppress.
@kainuu31573 жыл бұрын
The years of the Civil war in Russia are remembered for the terror that the Reds and Whites committed against common civilians. It gave people new motivation to join the army and fight for the cause they thought was right.
@almacmathain61953 жыл бұрын
It was hardly the Soviets who promoted war, they above all wanted peace to build the Soviet Union and restore the economy. It was the nations that attacked the Soviets, the British, the French, the US, Poland and Japan, who both invaded and supported the Czarist/White generals attempting to over through the Soviet regime.
@stephenhensley70043 жыл бұрын
Then add the murderer Stalin.
@Vielenberg3 жыл бұрын
How a normal soldier felt? Fed. In contrast to civilians who were starving.
@guciodestroyer24328 ай бұрын
It is always a sad and pathetic situation when brothers fight against each other. Greetings to LT from PL.
@dewok27068 ай бұрын
fr fr
@twisters9992 жыл бұрын
Crazy times. Greetings from Poland, Bros! Never more war between us. United we are strong. Sveikinai iś Lenkijos ;)
@7urg1542 жыл бұрын
@twisters9992 жыл бұрын
@@7urg154
@danrook57572 жыл бұрын
We gotta push back against Putin
@arunasz24438 ай бұрын
Męs po jūsų išdavystės niekada broleis nebūsime!
@tamolamo46987 ай бұрын
No more brother wars :)
@timothyrday13903 жыл бұрын
I feel very fortunate to grow up in a time when Europe is mostly peaceful. Let's hope it stays that way. 🙏
@thearousedeunuch3 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@PilotAwe3 жыл бұрын
There are still borders that need tweaking, nations within nations and oppression of minorities.
@viliussmproductions3 жыл бұрын
Let's hope it learns to work together more!
@criscabrera90983 жыл бұрын
We will not let this happen again too much blood has been shed if we did start war again we would be the biggest fools ever
@TheWeedIsland3 жыл бұрын
Peace is an anomaly. I don't think Europe will be at war until very long but don't take it for granted
@Darwinek3 жыл бұрын
"A multiethnic state surrounded by hostile neighbours" Sums up pretty well literally every country in Central and Eastern Europe in interwar period.
@jokubas33913 жыл бұрын
Uhh especially poland
@riccardodececco44043 жыл бұрын
@Kadir Garip not even Western Europe is an exception - only a suppressed reality: Basques, Alsatians, Bretons, Flemish (France), Basques, Catalans, Gypsies (Spain) ect.
@julianaguirre72493 жыл бұрын
That last Pilsudski's quote it's truly devastating
@janherburodo80703 жыл бұрын
He was right, all the countries of his project "Międzymorze" were subjegated or had their land annexed by Germany or Russia in the period of 25 years.
@AlexanderVlasov3 жыл бұрын
And he was right. "Polish Poland", Dmowski's dream, could be viable. (con)federation of the nations based on *mutual respect* could be viable. Naked land grab was not.
@janherburodo80703 жыл бұрын
@@AlexanderVlasov Dmowski's Polish Poland was supposed to be even bigger than the Second Polish Republic. Read about the map he presented at Versailles.
@MaciejBogdanStepien3 жыл бұрын
It is, indeed.
@nouta64403 жыл бұрын
@@janherburodo8070 It's a common negotiation tactic to ask for more than you actually want. National Democrats were the leading political party in negotiations with the Soviets, and it was them who refused to accept even more land (which the Soviets did actually offer).
@augustd84928 ай бұрын
The Lithuanian language was banned by the tsarist authorities after 1830 upheaval suppression but the Polish language, as the language of the Slavic majority in the general Seimas, was adopted in Commonwealth in the 17th century and was patronized by the Catholic church. Tsar's police exiled the whole Lithuanianfamilies to Siberia for finding at least one Lithuanian book 📙.
@Rasytojas19808 ай бұрын
After 1863
@przemysawglinka10937 ай бұрын
After January Uprising 1864.
@Fricid7 ай бұрын
First if all, only Latin alphabet for the language was prohibited, not the language itself. So you are a little lier. Secondly, let me guess why it was banned? Revolt?
@augustd84927 ай бұрын
@@Fricid Ignorance. It was forbidden any education in Lithuanian, secondly, it was officially forbidden even to speak Lithuanian in all state official places. There are in museums some Russian plaques left making this requirement visible. Don't try to put barbaric russian deeds in cotton.
@ingagramauskiene127 ай бұрын
@@FricidLithuanian press ban 1865-1904 look it up before saying bs
@carterc43073 жыл бұрын
I find it so sad seeing the Polish and Lithuanians fight against each other
@kailopl9653 жыл бұрын
😔 yea
@laius60473 жыл бұрын
We barely fight in comparison to Balkans. Now they are fighting. We don't fight anymore. It's all forgotten. Now more than ever especially Poland is getting more nationalist, so given our history I think there isn't going to be any hard feelings between us
@dominik83063 жыл бұрын
@@laius6047 Wilno was 60% Polish, that's why we conquered it
@laius60473 жыл бұрын
@@dominik8306 don't be delusional peasant
@weeeper13 жыл бұрын
@@dominik8306 So if Warsaw was 60%, would it be fair for us to take it?
@nouta64403 жыл бұрын
Pilsudski himself was one of those hybrid identity nobles (would sometimes call himself an "old Litwin"). Also, the reason Poland took "so little" land from the Soviets is that Polish political factions (which were negotiating the treaty of Riga) didn't want too many minorities in their country. The Soviets actually offered Poland more land.
@MIMALECKIPL3 жыл бұрын
Belarusians would've been most welcome minority.
@nouta64403 жыл бұрын
@@MIMALECKIPL Not according to National Democrats. Had they wanted to they could have gotten whole of Belarus in Riga.
@MIMALECKIPL3 жыл бұрын
@@nouta6440 That's why we have constant Dmowski vs Piłsudski war in our political discussions nowadays. Though I am not in favor of federation, just one great united Poland.
@Vielenberg3 жыл бұрын
Yes. Soviet Russia offered Poland Minsk, the Belorussian capital. And the National Democrats refused. While The interwar Poland had most problems with the greek-catholic Ukrainians. But Belorussians were also trobulesome. Many greek-catholic Ukrainians supported Ukrainian nationalists (in contrast to Orthodox Ukrainians). But on the other hand, as much as 25% of Belorussians supported the Communists in the elections (by far the highest percentage of Communist support). Piłsudski's federation plan would probably be much more effective. As it would have created Belarus and Ukraine as Polish perpetual-allied (satellite) states. So no minority problems and the border with the Soviets secured.
@jankubiak3243 жыл бұрын
@@Vielenberg Indeed, the Poles could've taken Minsk at the Riga negotiations, and establish a protectorate of some sort. However, it could've heavily damaged the Belorussian-Polish relations in the long run, as the scenario of one people under the boot of another always ends in bloodshed. But, a fully independent buffer state, is another thing.
@markellifson49103 жыл бұрын
These episodes that deal with what happened after the war are fascinating. I would have never known what happened after the treaty of Versailles if not for this channel
@antasosam8486 Жыл бұрын
As a Lithuanian from Vilnius region I have substancial historical memory in a family. My grandmother, born 1902, recalling that her parents used to speak to each other Lithuanian in order to hide matters from the kids. So she was aware that she was Lithuanian, also not knowing language and speaking polish. To the old age she used to spoke Polish whenever with her friends, while in the family she spoke Lithuanian. And she used to speak angrily about some relatives which try to pretend being Polish, the landlords, not a peasants. I myself know Polish relatively well without learning it formally, just so casualy.
@kenrup3 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. I'm 2nd generation Lithuanian and have little knowledge of this conflict. Great job on the horrendous names!
@dejavulinx32953 жыл бұрын
wtf does second genration Lithuanian mean? When did the first generation start?
@kenrup3 жыл бұрын
@@dejavulinx3295 My father and grandparents immigrated in the early 1900's, first generation.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@daveyRIR Doesn't make him non-Lithuanian. In fact, in American schools kids are asked what they are/where their families are originally from, etc. A fairly often told story of embarrassment by American young adults/teens is about how the teacher asked that when they were a kid and they answered "American". Because other kids would laugh at them for being a fool - not knowing only 'native Americans' were native.
@crazyhomer7773 жыл бұрын
It’s sad, this history was repressed under communist times.
@Markizas.Karabasas8 ай бұрын
@@mp1335 it does make him non-lithuanian
@MG-oj7rr3 жыл бұрын
Lithuania was multi ethnic state from very begining, uniting pegans, then slavs, nomadic tribes like tatars etc, it was melting pot for centuries. Finally cause of the pressure of longest teutonic crusades (and other aggressors), United with Poland, where 2 Lithuanians split control of poland and GDL. The potential for this union was superb, expecialy after zalgiris battle, but jealousy, intrigue failed this alliance. Polish and Lithuania still feel bitter towards each other, but hopefully we will rebuild trust and love between these two nations.
@jonathanschadenfreude96033 жыл бұрын
My grandpa George is lithuanian...95 yrs old and those boys are tough as nails
@Qornv3 жыл бұрын
If his name was George, then his original name most likely would've been Jurgis (pronounced Yurgis)
@bulandialbulanda3 жыл бұрын
Your grandpa was Lithuanian from Prussia/Memelland or from Lithuania Proper?
@jonathanschadenfreude96033 жыл бұрын
@@bulandialbulanda I'll have to ask. I know my family did alot of baltic sea fishing
@peaou3 жыл бұрын
@@jonathanschadenfreude9603 visit Neringa some time : )
@jonathanschadenfreude96033 жыл бұрын
They have a memorial to frank zappa! My kinda people
@mirobudzinski79783 жыл бұрын
a mention that Pilsudski was generally from Vilnus would be useful
@chopinfanatic5653 жыл бұрын
He was not strictly from Vilnius
@tomaszzalewski45412 жыл бұрын
@Mariv was, he is dead
@drTadux2 жыл бұрын
His mother and his own heart lies in Vilnius cemetery of Rasos (he himself - as i called - Heartless, and it's litterally - lies in Crakow).
@juliusceaser7242 Жыл бұрын
This war is special to me as my great grand father was one of the generals fighting for lithuania
@ainisskulskis79759 ай бұрын
Didn't know Julius Caesar had relatives in Lithuania 😂😂😂
@juliusceaser72429 ай бұрын
its true@@ainisskulskis7975
@Povilas78 ай бұрын
I am a proud member of Lithuanian Rifleman Uninion 100 years later. Even though we have our bitter history with Poland, I consider them our closest allies in terms of values and history.
@manometras3 жыл бұрын
Thanks from Lithuania 🇱🇹❤️🇱🇹.
@CivilWarWeekByWeek3 жыл бұрын
The Commonwealth looking on like “My boys”
@VersusARCH3 жыл бұрын
"Look how they messed up my boys" you mean?
@remlok55563 жыл бұрын
@@VersusARCH "Look how they massacred my boys!" You mean lol?
@arelcemkencebay28193 жыл бұрын
@@remlok5556 yeash
@TheLostBrit3 жыл бұрын
This is a fascinating video about Lithuanian history - really enjoyed it. Thanks for making it!
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. My mother's family lived in Vilnius at the time. People of Vilnius spoke Polish and considered themselves Lithuanian. They were loyal to the idea of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. When Taryba proclaimed independence of Lithuania, they promised a Lithuanian speaking state separate from Poland. Polish speaking Lithuanians of Vilnius wouldn't have it. Piłsudski himself always considered himself LITHUANIAN. The division drew lines in families too. First president of Poland Gabriel Narutowicz had a brother (Stanislavas Narutavičius) who supported the Lithuanian Republic's side and is said to have authored the Lithuanian declaration of independence. Polish speaking Lithuanians either supported the Republic of Lithuania or the Polish commonwealth. The conflict is said to have saved the Lithuanian language. As an act of defiance, Polish speaking Lithuanians learned and started speaking the language of their ancestors. Polish was a prevalent language in Lithuania at the time. When Zeligowski's division was approaching Vilnius, some soldiers deserted not wanting to fight their brothers. Orders were shouted in Polish on both sides. Not every Lithuanian spoke Lithuanian but every Lithuanian spoke Polish. Dying soldiers on both sides were praying in Polish which was heartbreaking to everybody. I'm proud that Lithuanians were able to survive as a nation and were able to preserve their once endangered language.
@MrElmas023 жыл бұрын
It is so sad that after so many years some people who declare themselfs as poles living in lithuania do not know who really they are. They just same lithuanians whom great parents lived for 20 years under Polish rule, that's all.
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
@@MrElmas02 It's more complicated than that. Rzeczpospolita was our common state. At the end of the 19th century the fight in Lithuania was over who is the "real" Lithuanian. Is the real Lithuanian someone speaking old Lithuanian language or is Lithuanian a descendant of Lithuanian nobility or Lithuanian city dwellers who for generations spoke Polish at home. Don't forget, when Latin was the official language in Poland, for 19 years Polish was the official language of Lithuania. Poland was ruled by Polish speaking Lithuanian families for centuries. Polish language was brought to Belarus and Ukraine by Lithuanian nobles. Those Lithuanian magnates cared about their lands in the east and in the west Polish speaking lands were becoming German speaking lands unopposed. So those Polish speaking Lithuanians have been told by Lithuanian speaking Lithuanians that they are not Lithuanian at all. They are discriminated against because of their language. You can get penalized for using Polish in official settings. I guess Lithuanians like to discriminate other Lithuanians for centuries now.
@nouta64403 жыл бұрын
Are you saying that ALL Polish speakers in Lithuania saw themselves as Lithuanian, or some of the upper classes/noble origin? So far all the sources I've read stated it's the latter. That is, lower/middle classes saw themselves as just Polish (as most of Poles in Lithuania do now). rather than Lithuanian/Polish-Lithuanian. Even Czeslaw Milosz himself said that in 20th century National Democrats and their vision of Polishness has defeated the ideas of Krajowcy and people like him were in minority.
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
@@nouta6440 I'm talking about pre-WW1 Lithuania. The conflict between Litwini and Litwacy or Litwomani or Żmudzini. Polish speaking Lithuanians considered themselves Lithuanian and considered those who wanted to separate from Poland and speak Lithuanian as Żmudzini or crazy Litwomani. That was the division in Lithuania. Every Lithuanian spoke Polish but only minority of Lithuanians spoke Lithuanian.
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
@@MrElmas02 Lithuanian magnates, nobility spoke Polish at home by then. In fact Lithuanians bragged that when they would come to Sejm (a Lithuanian word adopted by Polish) they'd speak Polish better than Poles themselves. Lithuanias spoke the literary language while Poles had their dialects. How do you think Polish language because the leading language in Kiev and Minsk (till WW1)? There was no great transfer of population. The language and new identity was brought by Lithuanian nobility. You see... Poles and Lithuanians for some reason don't like talking about it.
@Mandobird13 жыл бұрын
First Polish President, Jozef Pilsudski, himself, was from a family of Polonised Lithuanian gentry, which no doubt explains why he was so interested in renewing the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@b1rdy0xf3 жыл бұрын
He never was a president...
@civishyperboreum68533 жыл бұрын
He was Poland's Marshall, aka Head of State, but never a president.
@Mandobird13 жыл бұрын
@@civishyperboreum6853 You're correct. He was initially elected to this office but refused it.
@souldoc1233 жыл бұрын
renewing????thats you call renewing?fighting,killing???are you crazy man?and he was marshalka,not president
@Unrandom_User2 жыл бұрын
@@Mandobird1 yup, but it was in 1926, not during Polish-soviet war
@akapbhan3 жыл бұрын
Curzon and his stupid lines never ceases to amaze me. Possibly worst Governor general of India also.
@Nhosto3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great episode! Greetings from Vilnius!
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
My family is from Vilnius. They spoke Polish but my grandmother's first husband (Markunas) spoke Lithuanian. I can always tell if someone from Vilnius is a Lithuanian speaker or Polish speaker. Lithuanians speakers speak proper Polish while Polish speakers speak their local dialect.
@johndisko7650 Жыл бұрын
It's also worth mentioning that the victories polish war with mighty Soviet red army in 1920 was fought only 8 months after Poland gained independence in 1919. Poland disappeared from the maps for 123 years.
@1MuchButteR13 жыл бұрын
26:20 Lithuanian army by this time was bigger than Żeligowski's army. It was smaller than Polish army as a whole.
@MIMALECKIPL3 жыл бұрын
And still Żeligowski beat Lithuanians...
@1MuchButteR13 жыл бұрын
@@MIMALECKIPL regular Polish army captured Varena rail road station, main Lithuanian army elements couldn't be transferred from Suwalki for Vilnius fight.
@MIMALECKIPL3 жыл бұрын
@@1MuchButteR1 That's why we won. We're never afraid of forced march.
@nYgiz693 жыл бұрын
@@MIMALECKIPL did u listen boi? Żeligowski's army mostly included lithuanias as belarussians. GO HOME SOLDIERS
@MIMALECKIPL3 жыл бұрын
@@nYgiz69 Lithuanians who felt their ties with Poland and not with rebel Zhmud.
@sleepytt95373 жыл бұрын
Last time I was this early, it was still the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
@MaciejBogdanStepien3 жыл бұрын
bump
@TheArklyte3 жыл бұрын
So, 1980's? When this name was invented for history books instead of Rzeczpospolita aka Republic to remove historical significance of full name of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, *Ruthenia and Samotija* compared to Poland, which wasn't a dominant side in the union? Not very early then:D
@sleepytt95373 жыл бұрын
@@TheArklyte That would still be years before I was born so I'll take it.
@ukaszbiaek66413 жыл бұрын
@@TheArklyte yhm Poland wasn`t a dominant side in the union right...
@TheArklyte3 жыл бұрын
@@ukaszbiaek6641 well, look at the map of both states before the union:\
@avnrulz85873 жыл бұрын
These videos have really filled out my knowledge of Poland's military situation prior to 1939.
@ainisskulskis79759 ай бұрын
What army?
@maxstanko8 ай бұрын
@@ainisskulskis7975the army that defeated the bolsheviks
@agustinponce28933 жыл бұрын
I'm always interested in these relatively little know events in the inter-war period, thanks for sharing this awesome high quality videos with us!
@nemeczek673 жыл бұрын
Between the two World Wars the Lithuanian-Polish relations were so bad that it was impossible to send a letter directly from one country to the other.
@drTadux2 жыл бұрын
But ofcourse! What did you expect?? Poland was acting just like rushka is doing now in Ukraine.
@misterborak7512 жыл бұрын
Jedi, just calm down, boy.
@drTadux2 жыл бұрын
Spokojny jestem. Skomentowałem konkretny przypadek historyczny sto lat temu. Dziś go nie stosuję. Uważam dzisiejszych Polaków za sojuszników i przyjaciół.
@Koczu02 жыл бұрын
@@drTadux Look at the population in Wilno then and borders were fluid after ww1, it's different from what Russia is doing today.
@kiviss767 ай бұрын
@@Koczu0It's not different. The borders been recognized and signed by Poland. But after signing up she attacked. Do you know the facts??????? Do you want me to send you the year and demarcation zone been agreed and signed. I'm so sick of people like you who can't comprehend and accept occupation. I see same imperialistic methods as Russia do to Ukraine.
@cleefy693 жыл бұрын
I am from Vilnius but learned something new, today. Thank you.
@josephkrizauskas10523 жыл бұрын
My Grandparents left Vilnius around 1910 to come to America. I think they left just in time.
@blogiaunebus8 ай бұрын
Yep, they avoided the Titanic
@ontuonssmetuona80163 жыл бұрын
Vilnius vėl priglaus pulkus!🇱🇹❤️
@maciejk76893 жыл бұрын
zalezy czyim... i tak pozniej w 1939 sovieci 'przekazali je Litwia, a ta sama wpusciala na swoje terytorium Armie Czerwona, co skonczylo sie 1940 aneksja.... do rosji sovieckiej. a szkoda bo razem bylibysmy silni. W Rzeczypospolitej jednak glowne rody byly z pochodzenie z Wielekiego Ksiestwa Litewskie .. rody Ruskie i Litewskie.
@WUSTASS3 жыл бұрын
@@maciejk7689 Tu supranti, kad Lietuviui lenkiškai atrašinėji? :D nebe viduramžiai, niekam neįdomi čia tavo kalba. Jei nori diskutuot - rašyk kalba, kurią galima suprasti. Verstis nežadu, nes nematau reikalo :)
@maciejk76893 жыл бұрын
@@WUSTASS Rozumiem ze mam pisasc po Staro Rusku .. spoko. Bo taki był jezyk Wielkiego Ksiestwa .. Я разумею, што мне трэба пісаць па-старажытнаруску .. крута. Таму што гэта была мова Вялікага Княства ...
@maciejk76893 жыл бұрын
@@WUSTASS Sveiki. Gaila, nes nesuprantant praeities neįmanoma kurti ateities. Vienpusis ir nacionalistinis istorijos aiškinimas tik sukelia konfliktus. Man nepatinka keistumas, kiekviena iš partijų, kilusi iš Lietuvos Didžiosios Kunigaikštystės tradicijos, nori jas pasisavinti ir ar tai būtų Lietuva, Lenkija ar Baltarusija. Ši praeitis mums yra įprasta ir turėtų būti pateikiama sąžiningai, o ne per politiką ir nacionalizmą. Be to, XIX - XX a. Sandūroje įvyko labai dideli kultūriniai pokyčiai.
@ldkbudda41763 жыл бұрын
@@maciejk7689 How many schkools are in the Poland now, there are lithuaaninan language thought? ...?!! Exactly - NON! NADA! ZERO! And this is the politics of Warshav!
@moshikon443 жыл бұрын
Polish-Lithuanian War...against whom tho?
@Gloverfield3 жыл бұрын
Its poland vs lithuania ffs...
@mantvis55873 жыл бұрын
@@Gloverfield dude it was a joke about Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
@rasag76643 жыл бұрын
@@Gloverfield it was a joke cus poland and lithuania were always together in history
@Gloverfield3 жыл бұрын
@@rasag7664 yh ik...
@user-uz7dm6qn3y3 жыл бұрын
My grandfather born in Bryansk, Belarus, was impressed into the Russian army and went AWOL. He escaped home only to be impressed into the Polish army from which he also ran away. He was only sixteen years old. He eventually made it to New York a hundred years ago this month, July 1921.
@mindaugasrostkauskas96702 жыл бұрын
Scary time to live.
@arandeepsingh64197 ай бұрын
Bryansk is in Russia you fool... If you don't know that, then what do you know regarding this silly little fable of yours, hm? Exactly.
@googleaccount932 ай бұрын
Bryansk and Belarus? Probably Baranovichy.
@user-uz7dm6qn3y2 ай бұрын
@@googleaccount93 At the time, later became part of Russia. Russia's borders always expanding. My grandfather's words were "Brynsk, near the White Forest in White Russia."
@lordDenis163 жыл бұрын
Gdy zwiedzim Warszawę, już nam pilno. - Zobaczyć, to *nasze* stare Wilno. It's sad the Federation wasn't meant to be. As I also had family on both sides of the war - it was truly a war between brotherly nations.
@souldoc1233 жыл бұрын
say one,say two-polish Pilsudsky army forced to Lithuania..federation???after fighting it cannot be federation,only colony ..
@Alaryk1112 жыл бұрын
@@souldoc123 How come? The South and the Northern States in USA were at warin 1860' and one are not a collony of the other. It is counterintuitive but it is still possible.
@mbwp34812 жыл бұрын
@@souldoc123 I think you can be probably partly right. It was hard to create after WW1 a Polish-Lithuanian federation, if Lithuania wasn't interested at that idea. But if Lithuania didn't want to restore a historical Commonwealth with a historical Lithuanian borders (with Vilna, Suwałki, Święciany etc.), but create its own national state, it should than create that state on a national criteria, that means that there were Lithuanians we're majority or at least there were more Lithuanians than any other nation. Wilno and Suwałki regions surly weren't such lands. In Wilno according to German census from 14 Dec 1916 the population of the city was 54% Polish and 2,09% Lithuanian. In the whole region Poles were also dominating. Even in the Kaunas/Kowno region Poles made a large part of the population. Lithuania than can't have grievances to Poland that Poland wanted after WW1 to add this land to its state.
@sedargames8161 Жыл бұрын
@@Alaryk111 the south is clearly the junior partner to the north.
@Vil987610 ай бұрын
@@Alaryk111 , Compare green with square. America is a country of emigrants, while Poles and Lithuanians are nations formed in their homeland. The Pilsudskii family originates from the village of Pilsūdai in Žemaitia, which even the Google car has not driven to. Pilsudskis had an inferiority complex, which is why he believed that Lithuania had no right to statehood. After seizing the territory of Vilnius, they thought that the whole of Lithuania was theirs. However, the Lithuanians moved to Kaunas and preserved their statehood. Pilsudski dreamed of a Polish-ruled empire from sea to sea, and Lithuania was the first message. Empire building stalled. After occupying Vilnius, they started fierce polonization. In my father's family, they spoke Polish (I think "just plain"), although they were Lithuanian patriots and their uncles were volunteers in 1918-1920. My great-grandfather and great-grandmother came from the Ukrainian city of Slavuta.
@mixererunio17573 жыл бұрын
Lithuanians and Poles are brothers and should always cooperate. Such a pity this war happened...
@user-vd8xz9kn3g3 жыл бұрын
This opinion is still very popular and common in Poland. Piłsudzki was born in Lithuania, he was Lithuanian and he was very opposed to any nationalism - Polish as well. He knew that Central Europe Nations in this part of Europe could survive only if they strictly cooperate with each other.
@janherburodo80703 жыл бұрын
@@user-vd8xz9kn3g Piłsudski described himself as a nationalist, but he often spoke about the danger of nationalism turning into chauvinism
@maciejk76893 жыл бұрын
@@user-vd8xz9kn3g You're confusing the concepts. Until the end of the 19th century, the inhabitants of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania referred to themselves as "Lithuanians", and what is even more interesting, this mainly applied to Ruthenians (Belarusians today). The present concept of a Lithuanian was descended by the Russians from the Tsar Empire and the Germans from the First Reich. In this way, they wanted to prevent the rebirth of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. As you saw, they succeeded.
@xenq_45663 жыл бұрын
Lithujas Wilno Polskie
@maciejk76893 жыл бұрын
@@xenq_4566 ani polskie ani litewskie. Wilno jest wilenskie!!!!!!
@j3lny4253 жыл бұрын
Wars everywhere! It would seem that those who held that the 'interwar 'years were simply a 'halftime' between the two major clashes are right.
@FeedMeMister3 жыл бұрын
More like going from a rolling boil to a simmer: you're still getting cooked.
@ralfis12343 жыл бұрын
Really sad story to be honest. I mean compared to the times when Lithuania and Poland was one coutry and would roll together to kick some ukrainian and russian asses together and reaching black sea. Greetings from Lithuania to Poland. I wish our nations would cooperate more without taking each others identiy.
@Oleslawwielki3 жыл бұрын
May we wish for a future of peace, cooperation, and friendship! From Poland with love
@singami4652 жыл бұрын
Even thought Lithuanian separatism was stoked by the Russians, we're basically back to the state things were in the 14th century. We have to pick things up from the same point.
@2011woodlands3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad there isn't a test after watching this one.
@kostek44303 жыл бұрын
Sad you didn't mention Pilsudski - Narutowicz families (edit: or brothers Вацлаў Іваноўскі, Tadas Ivanauskas and Jerzy Iwanowski) as an example. That would give more context in Polish Lithuanian relations in my opinion.
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
Three brothers claiming 3 different (Polish, Lithuanian and Belorussian) nationalities. That shows how twisted family lines have become.
@manometras3 жыл бұрын
And there still are such families in the contemporary Republic of Lithuania where one brother thinks he is a Pole and another one thinks he is a Lithuanian. And their families don't respect one another and don't communicate because of those opinions. There are just a few of them left, but not zero yet.
@karlisulmanis38103 жыл бұрын
this feels like watching two best friends fight..
@hb59142 жыл бұрын
How old are you now and write your nephew Guntis’ current address? How is Guntis?
@andriuspakulis29483 жыл бұрын
Pilsudski was from Lithuania and wanted to reestablish Commonwealth, lithuanians wanted to be independent and not under polish boot.
@mixererunio17573 жыл бұрын
And they didn't understand threat that Soviet Union posed. Only Federation of Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine could match Germany and Russia.
@rafcze963 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is that regardless of what we the Poles, Czech, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Balts do to each other, there's always some steamroller round the corner, coming from either east or west, flatting us miserably. Only then we realise that our arguments where mere child's play on the international chessboard.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@@mixererunio1757 Right. As a Lithuanian: Originally - the government understood. But most of the country's people didn't understand or just simply wanted to prioritize their own well being 'here and now'. Which ironically, as quite often happens, led to naivety and ended up hurting them and their families in the long run. Kind of funny how some people back then regarded the warnings of certain politicians as "russophobia" and the term is very much alive today.
@TheVOD33 жыл бұрын
Whit all the respect for Poland, but the Polish occupation of Vilnius and the creation of the Central Lithuanian Republic look's like in today's Russia (Crimea)
@maciejsarnacki60863 жыл бұрын
The method the was same but the motivation was diffrent.
@ldkbudda41763 жыл бұрын
@@maciejsarnacki6086 Motivation was ??
@G0TIMAN3 жыл бұрын
@@maciejsarnacki6086 How was it different?
@americanexcursions35423 жыл бұрын
Pilsudski was a Lithuanian. Vilnius was inhabited by Polish speaking Lithuanians. They just wanted to be in a Polish speaking state. The Republic of Lithuania rejected Polish language in February 1918.
@G0TIMAN3 жыл бұрын
@@americanexcursions3542 Yea. Crimea is also inhabited by Russians. And?
@johnegan76223 жыл бұрын
A magnificent piece of work! Thank you for producing such work.
@eruno_3 жыл бұрын
🇱🇹🤝🇵🇱
@peterdiaz37963 жыл бұрын
Lithuania: we’ll let you pass through our land if you give us our city. Soviets: but of course. *actually don’t give back the city* Lithuania: surprised pikachu face
@2hotflavored6663 жыл бұрын
Not to defend the Soviets, they did give back the city what do you mean?
@LukasSRR3 жыл бұрын
@@2hotflavored666 give back Vilnius and after that take whole Lithuania 🤣
@2hotflavored6663 жыл бұрын
@@LukasSRR True, but the Lithuanian SSR like other SSR's, had a "border" which is the same as modern day Lithuania. Google a map of the SSR's.
@peterdiaz37963 жыл бұрын
@@2hotflavored666 well initially it looked like they had no intention of giving it back after setting up the basis for a new government
@Darwinek3 жыл бұрын
Once commies get somewhere, it's hard to get them out. Look at Czechoslovakia. Reds came with "brotherly help" in 1968 and left only in 1992, even after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
@wilkw34 ай бұрын
What is important but omitted in the video is the fact that Pilsudski himself was from Vilnius region. So it was very personal for him to capture the city.
@jodalinkus55383 жыл бұрын
Well presented account of a particular chapter of Polish/Lithuanian history.
@Vytautas.Šilinskas3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. They should show this in history classes!
@aleksanderolaf89113 жыл бұрын
It`s worth mentioning that Piłsudski was a Polish-speaking Lithuanian himself , born and raised in the Vilnius district.
@ldkbudda41763 жыл бұрын
Like Adolf Hitler were German speaking Austrian himself. ;)
@za.monolit3 жыл бұрын
@@ldkbudda4176 austrians are german lol
@konfunable3 жыл бұрын
Sadly he chose the wrong side.
@reshmer30333 жыл бұрын
@@konfunable Why?
@_TkiT_3 жыл бұрын
@@reshmer3033 Because he was not on his side, which of course is better according to him, because he is probably Lithuanian.
@bruhman20892 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I kind of found it sad that Polish and Lithuanians fought each other when they had such a great relationship
@algijura8 ай бұрын
poland made few mistakes. 1: ised wrong tools to create old new union again 2 didn’t respected lithuania and have always looked at lithuania from above 3 polish people naturally doesn’t listen to they neighbours what finally leads them to fail 4 VILNIUS IS LITHUANIA AS ALWAYS WAS. and not wilna or other name
@bruhman20898 ай бұрын
EXACTLY BRUH. Poland really fucked up in general when treating us as lowly people. During the commonwealth and in the war@@algijura
@marcocavaco31503 жыл бұрын
Living in Lithuania as a non native, It saddens me deeply to know that Lithuania and Poland fought against each other due to basically being forced by a third party. Knowing that they had such a big alliance in old times, and fought side by side like in Tannenberg. It is just a sad and dark spot in Lithuanian - Polish history.
@WolfH3 Жыл бұрын
Thats why both lithuanian and polish politicians of today working hard to fix the relationships and lots of progress has been made in the last 3 years
@kennethcarney58748 ай бұрын
Tannenburg?
@antanassmetona40548 ай бұрын
Poland forced the war. Not a third party.
@algijura8 ай бұрын
dark spot in polish history. as poland wears invaders suit
@ipoop4timesaday3 жыл бұрын
Polish-Lithuanian War? Against whom?
@avishalom2000lm3 жыл бұрын
"...and his pitch-black beard lay on his chest like an icon on a corpse." Similies only a Russian would use.
@thebog113 жыл бұрын
Babel's writing is impressionistic in this way. They are a cross between war stories and poetry.
@Pijawek2 жыл бұрын
Poles still like to joke about taking Vilnus back, but I'm glad that our relations with Lithuania are getting better and better. Being locked between Germany and Russia makes you appreciate friendly neighbours.
@7urg1542 жыл бұрын
not funny joke since it caused so much pain between two friendly nations trully a dark and sad moment in our shared friendly history. I am glad that now we improved and strengthen our national relationships.
@la.45567 ай бұрын
I know it's an old comment, but even to this day, that joke "Wilno nasze" is taken very offensively by Lithuanians.
@johndisko7650 Жыл бұрын
Both countries were at theirs best when they formed the Polish-Lithuanian Kingdom starting in 14th century through 18th century. The Kingdom was the biggest in Europe with the largest population. Great and very informative program, thanks a lot.
@bigdoggy710 ай бұрын
It was the biggest mistake made for GDL
@mp133510 ай бұрын
@@bigdoggy7 It had one alternative - be incorporated into Muscovy and have a far worse fate. Which is why siding with Poland was chosen.
@alm93229 ай бұрын
@@bigdoggy7How? Without the union with Poland, Lithuanians would probably get either: -Completely exterminated by Teutonic Order (to the point where there would be literally no Lithuania, just like it was with Prussia) -Annexed into Muscovy and Russia, which wolud likely also mean russification, economical backwardness, and lack of any freedoms and independence that the Grand Duchy had during the Union with Poland.
@petardos26843 жыл бұрын
Some people in Poland or Lithuania might not like it, but after studying history, have to admit that Poland and Lithuania nations are like brothers.. Lets say Poland is older and bigger brother.. And brothers sometime fighting. And to Belarusian people.. You like our cousin.
@TRG_real3 жыл бұрын
They're not older. Bigger is correct, though, and I'd also add arrogant.
@compatriot8523 жыл бұрын
Lithuanians are far older than Poles and Slavs. They're mentioned by Roman historians and frequently traded amber and other valuables.
@MrVeryfrost3 жыл бұрын
@@compatriot852 Lithuanian tribe didn't extend to the the sea, there were other Baltic tribes who traded with Roman empire. Also, Lithuania never been mentioned by Romans. "The name “Lithuania” (Lituae) is first mentioned in the entry for March 9, 1009 AD in the Annals of Quedlinburg recording the death of St. Bruno of Querfurt."
@artelislt3 жыл бұрын
@@compatriot852 yep
@artelislt3 жыл бұрын
@@MrVeryfrost Yes there were Baltic people near Germany,or todays Russia,but Lithuanian,and Latvian are Baltic,so idk what you try to prove,and yes 1009 Lithuanian NAME was first time mentioned,but not people, or region
@TheSportPoland3 жыл бұрын
It was stupid conflict. We were stronger together. Many land of Lithuania were taken and given to Belarus which is artificial creation of ZSRR and their land should belong to Lithuanian.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
Errr that's a bit of a biased view.
@TheSportPoland3 жыл бұрын
@@mp1335 im not Lithuanian. That land rightfully belong to them. Have you Heard about Country like Belarus before second World war? No, becouse their wasnt.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@@TheSportPoland No, but most of Belarus was part of Kievan Rus, then the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Later those countries just broke apart into nation states. Up until that point they were multi-ethnic/national. Look at maps from around the year ~1700 for example. What is the vast majority of today's Belarus is marked as "white Rus of Lithuania" during that period. Did Lithuanians lose some of their ethnic territory? Yeah, some. You could argue that the border should be about 30km more to the east and to the south into modern day Belarus. Also that really little piece with Sejny that looks so odd on a modern map which is in Poland during the territorial conflict of the early 20th century. Unless you're arguing for some kind of united state of Lithuania, similar to olden days where the Lithuanians, Belarusians and others lived in one single state.
@peterzee19283 жыл бұрын
Oh, those paradoxes of history! What do you make of a historically Lithuanian city in which virtually no one speaks Lithuanian anymore? That was Vilnius in 1920. Żeligowski's troops were simply coming home. (The general's family dated back to 16th-century Lithuania, by the way.) So, you can't blame the Lithuanians for wanting their historical capital back and you can't blame Vilnius Poles for wanting to keep their homes and culture as they saw it. Even today, the area around Vilnius is full of Polish-speaking villages. Maybe the solution would be to adopt the Irish way? Most Irish people speak English but that doesn't make them English, does it? The Irish accent in English is so distinct it serves almost as a substitute for the national language (which, of course, exists but is spoken by a negligible minority in Ireland). The problem with today's Polish-speaking Lithuanians, though, is that they insist on calling themselves Lithuanian Poles, not Polish Lithuanians. It's a pity, in my opinion - and I say this as an ethnic Pole from Poland.
@Time.Traveller.3 жыл бұрын
What makes Wilno / Vilnius a historically Lithuanian city? Simply fact that it was founded by a Lithuanian ruler? But it was since beginning populated with local Slavic Ruthenians, not Lithuanians. Balto-Lithuanians didn't contribute anything to the history of this city untill 1945. Now they "contribute", they demolish ornaments from ancient buildings in the city, which contradict Balto-Lithuanian myth, being all written in Polish or old-Ruthenian and *virtually none* in Lithuanian language.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@@Time.Traveller. From a history of that region perspective, ignore that in 1564 "Rozmowa polaka z litwinem" it clearly states that 'Lithuanian language was the one spoken around the river Viliya, just like in Samogitia, Prussia, Latvia'. Viliya, as I'm sure you're aware, flows through a handful of small towns and villages in modern day Belarus, then through Vilnius, many small towns and villages in Lithuania and Kaunas, where it flows out into the Neman(which is the river most heavily mentioned throughout Lithuanian history). Historic place names(toponymy) of Lithuanian origin match the area described by this 1564 text almost flawlessly. "...since beginning populated with local Slavic Ruthenians" - source? "they demolish ornaments from ancient buildings in the city" - Absolute nonsense. Literally doesn't happen. Have you been to the city? In fact, they are as heavily preserved as possible. Polish was an official language in the GDL and many Lithuanians used it as well. Just like Laurynas Masiulis (later Wawrzyniec Gucewicz) who was the architect of those two crown jewels of the city that I mentioned beforehand.
@merropcs1102 жыл бұрын
@@Time.Traveller. see ,someone always rewriting ancient history ... To service Master ,EU in such case ......
@artelislt2 жыл бұрын
@@Time.Traveller. 😂😂😂
@mbwp34813 жыл бұрын
5:45 Such situation of changing languages was also simular on Ruthenia. There in census 1921 declared the same percentage of Ukrainias (by nationality), as in census 1931 asking for a native language.
@misterborak7512 жыл бұрын
Love from Poland. ❤️❤️
@simenonhonore3 жыл бұрын
A complex situation which is explained very clearly - thanks!
@tomaspuodziukynas53618 ай бұрын
My grandmother told how she remembered her grandmother - she had garden tea parties where she and other ladies qould wear gloves. She spoke Polish as status symbol even she had absolutely absolutely no polish roots.
@AH6man3 жыл бұрын
Just signed up for the great courses! Glad I could help out the show.
@thunderK53 жыл бұрын
Interesting to see the Polish Army light machinegun detachment at 26:05 using Madsens from Denmark.
@zepter003 жыл бұрын
In that time Poland had one of the bigest numbers of tanks ... in the world.
@samy70132 жыл бұрын
The Madsens were likely inherited from the German Army, since the Germans had imported lots of Madsens before and during the First World War. If I’m not mistaken, the Madsens had been used by German Army jäeger regiment machine gun detachments.
@indianajones43213 жыл бұрын
A “new” series you could do is cover the stuff in the Great War that you didn’t have time to Great channel 👍
@audriusnt3 жыл бұрын
Vilnius and the Vilnius coast were always the capital of Lithuania, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Gediminas in 1323 and never Poland, in 1569 it was the union of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and Poland, Zespopolita is a republic of two nations.
@zerguskotus26482 жыл бұрын
ok and?
3 жыл бұрын
9:59 i think you have mistaken Vistula with Vilia river. Great video!
@natemonahan4873 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video!
@janherburodo80703 жыл бұрын
France wanted a strong Poland, British not so much. Lloyd George was very anti-Polish
@noobster47793 жыл бұрын
Srong Ploand =/= Polnand annexing its negihbours
@mixererunio17573 жыл бұрын
@@noobster4779 Write in English.
@janherburodo80703 жыл бұрын
@@noobster4779 People with very superficial historical knowlage often look at it through contemporary perspective. Poland was not on the map because of the partitions, Polish-Lithuanian Union existed for over 400 years and because of that millions of Poles lived east of the Curzon line. You can't be mad at Poles for wanting to more than a some small republic with borders drawn by other powers. In November 1918 more Poles lived outside Poland than in Poland itself: Posen, Katowice, Wilno, Lwów, Grodno, Brześć were all Polish cities.
@user-vd8xz9kn3g3 жыл бұрын
@@noobster4779 Now in Poland, there does not exist a serious political power that is thinking of any expansion. The Poles after the II WW accepted totally the loss of Vilnius, Grodno and Lviv. Now they want to cooperate with Eastern Countries, not fight.
@janherburodo80703 жыл бұрын
@@user-vd8xz9kn3g Because of the relocation, Polish claims had a backing in the ethnic situation, now it is not the case
@audriusnt3 жыл бұрын
Vilnius has always been the capital of Lithuania
@Ploast3 жыл бұрын
Literally a Lithuanian created that city, there were so Many Poles just because of the commonwealth. Their plan was to erase Lithuania and steal it's land, even stole of our "soon to be 2nd" king's crown 2 times. They wanted everything withing the land to be more Polish, made the main language Polish.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@NVZX Open up Stanislaw Plater's 1827 linguistic map. If you read your own historians you would know why Ruthenian became the state language. Also, you would know about people pushing for use of Lithuanian(including some Poles). That's a cherry-picked statistic. Population of the old town btw. Heaviest polonization occurred in the 19th century.
@mp13353 жыл бұрын
@NVZX How is it "Samogitian revisionism" oh do elaborate.
@jeremijasskrabas59553 жыл бұрын
@NVZX I'm just happy that everyone wants to claim Vilnius, shows that it is a great city
@youtubeisdeletingmycomment32353 жыл бұрын
@@mp1335 "heaviest polonisation occured in the 19th century" Are you aware there was no polish state back then? We were all under the Russian boot that time. No one was forced to polonisation then. It means people choose to be polish willingly, just like over the centuries before. Being polish means to love Poland, polish values, culture, history, language and other polish people. It's not about the blood! You can not force anyone to do so. They all did that freely, like Piłsudski or Mickiewicz
@paulmentzer76582 жыл бұрын
I read that if you were born in 1921 in Russia, you had less then a 2 % chance of living till 1945. I suspect the similar rates for Poles given the Spainish Flu of 1917 to1921, the internal fights within Poland (and even more so in Russia) and the German occupation of 1939 till 1945 of Poland. It was a rough time to be alive in Eastern Europe.
@murrayaronson37532 жыл бұрын
My Grandfather didn't want his son to be drafted into the Lithuanian army and besides the rest of his children were already living in the United States. So Grandfather decided to leave Lithuania with my uncle and my Mother. They left Lithuania in 1921 and went to America. If they waited or took their time they wuould have been stuck as the USA basically closed its borders in 1924. My Mother and my uncle would have been in Lithuania at the time of the 1941 German invasion. Trouble for us. Jozef Pilsudski was born around Vilnius and his heart is buried there.
@pocektrocekt2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! Why didn't he want his son to go to lithuanian army? In the region were also many belarusians (not russians) maybe he didn't felt like lithuanian or there's an other reason....
@adomas21883 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video!!! I learned couple of new things that I didn't know before! I'm Lithuanian living abroad ☺️
@adomas21883 жыл бұрын
And many of those old photos an videos i have never seen before! Really interesting! I grew up in Vilnius! Left when I was 20...
@luishernandezblonde3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your work man. It's great to hear about this war.
@murrayaronson37533 жыл бұрын
Jozef Pilsudski was born in Vilnius. Pilsudski considered himself both Polish and Lithuanian.
@murrayaronson37533 жыл бұрын
My Mother was born in the north of Lithuania, my Father's father was from Vilnius.
@krakendragonslayer19093 жыл бұрын
Wow, this guy is fantastic at reading Polish names. The only "mistake" he did was the way he read word: Eustachy
@argentinamexico38953 жыл бұрын
RIP Intermarium.
@deryl57103 жыл бұрын
I have never heard about that war before. As a Pole I'm sure that we are not teached too much about that war in our schools... Anyway, great video, I will share this video with my friends so that they can expand their knowledge of history.
@bartoszpankiewicz80313 жыл бұрын
It's not the best source
@deryl57103 жыл бұрын
@@bartoszpankiewicz8031 Sure it's not. It's just a thirty minutes video so probably reading some history book would be the best source.
@audrylou2908 ай бұрын
Thats because this period of couple decades of xx century of polish history has shamed historical context. Hope, this will not ever happen again in our common relations.
@robbiejoe24043 жыл бұрын
Even after a horrific war the bloodshed continued
@henri3722 жыл бұрын
There is one mistake with the map that shows the Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. In 1920 Estonia had already signed a peace treaty with Soviet Russia and the borders were established. On the map it seems that it is part of the battlefront and controlled by Red army which was kicked out long time ago + Estonian army had freed northern Latvia.
@edgarkazak52283 жыл бұрын
Small nations will always be a small coin in a big political game. that's how the world works.
@ragincajun76253 жыл бұрын
Feel free to explain Qatar? Singapore?
@edgarkazak52283 жыл бұрын
@@ragincajun7625 Quatar and Singapore are who they are until United States don't mind it. And this is because those limitrophes do follow rules written by the state of US(and they do so not because they like those rules, but because they don't have choice).
@ragincajun76253 жыл бұрын
@@edgarkazak5228 Any reason you didn't mention Qatar (a tiny country) plays a role in world politics? Hey Qatar got the world cup. Pretty impressive for a small country which you claimed are useless. Any reason you didn't mention Singapore plays a major role in Asia? Singapore is a tiny nation. Oh wait you just deflected those questions and yapped about the United States. You proved my point perfectly.
@edgarkazak52283 жыл бұрын
@@ragincajun7625 indeed
@edgarkazak52283 жыл бұрын
@Alfa Omega it is small, economicaly,financially technologically and resource dependent.
@Patrick_37513 жыл бұрын
Did anyone keep track of how many times Vilnius changed hands? I lost count.
@jessealexander26953 жыл бұрын
Me too. :)
@maciejsarnacki60863 жыл бұрын
6 times, it was pretty standard i Eastern Europe. The same was in Kiev.
@littlechemie54252 жыл бұрын
I believe Lwow/Lviv also changed hand multiple times too
@littlechemie54252 жыл бұрын
I believe Lwow/Lviv also changed hand multiple times too
@rexandreas41523 жыл бұрын
Great video. My ancestry is around half Lithuanian.
@ConradSzymczak3 жыл бұрын
Excellent piece.
@zipperpillow2 жыл бұрын
Pilsudski was right. Internal Polish political divisions, British meddling, Russian Communist opportunism, Ukrainian lack of statehood, Jewish self-interest, Lithuanian pettiness all contributed to frustrating the creation of a large enough and strong enough country/union/state that could defend itself from future Russian or future German aggression, and look what that caused. The biggest war ever. It is still an unresolved problem today, and will remain a mess because it never got fixed. Pilsudski could see that 100 years ago. Now that's real vision.
@phann860 Жыл бұрын
An excellent presentation, thank you.
@johnwightman75493 жыл бұрын
who was the lithuanian who said "a nation consists more of the dead than of the living" maddest thing i've ever heard, though i suppose padraig pearce and moseley both made similar statements
@jokubas33913 жыл бұрын
Augustinas Voldemaras. It is really badass and ture.
@davidguilbertrozenman50252 жыл бұрын
If you were born in 1914 in Vilnius you would have been Russian, German, Lithuanian, Soviet, Lithuanian, Polish, Soviet, German, Soviet and Lithuanian, if you managed to survive 2 world wars and lived to 1991.
@germonts13 жыл бұрын
This is a great summary! Thank you
@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK3 жыл бұрын
I did not expect to be so fascinated by this video when I first clicked it, wow
@juru5523 жыл бұрын
7:00 'nationalistic Poland' wut...? Piłsudski was the leader of 'PPS' - Polish Social Party and forced idea of federalisation in oppose to unification (that changed after his death in 1935 also due failure of the idea) 10:00 which bridge was occupied in Poland by Polish troops in 1920...? Wisła is in Poland, not Latwia...