Fixed on performance, did a great video of fixed broadheads and I recommend that video

Go read an anatomy book. I'm stunned any of these guys are thinking there is a problem with a double lung chest pass through, even if it doesn't hit the heart . It cuases double.pneumothorax, I cant.imagine they are running far. If you think it will pass through, get slightly bigger blades. Blasting a big hole through ribs isn't a bad thing. Expandable broadheads are for like people who wanna drink soda pop. Its water with fake flavor. Also, when you wanna break bones, you don't want a flimsy mechanism supporting the blades. I don't even know how they.make a long video about this

watch all ranch fairy's videos!

@@sasquatchrosefarts I’m confused on the point you are trying to make

@@sasquatchrosefarts obviously you didn’t watch the video these guys are not saying that a double lung shot is bad not once did they say that in this video in this video they talk about and show proof of why they switched from expandable to fixed blade heads that’s it they literally say in the video they don’t care what you use this is them talking about their experience and why they shoot fixed blades now

IF you hit them. Fixed blades like to do their own thing and hit 3 different spots with 3 different shots. Ill stick with my field point accuracy swhackers.

My first deer were shot with the razer back 5 too. I loved them! They made a hole

I use to shoot the razorback 4 and they was awesome they shot so good no issues.

Dam I remember those when I was kid!!

I got sucked into the expandable craze for a couple seasons to. Huge mistake, but I'm back to my single bevels

I'm shooting G5 Montecs out of my Excalibur Matrix 380. N0 problem with pass through. These are very easy to sharpen/reshzrpen.

Mike Guy Its interesting to hear so many people say this. I’ve used mechanicals since the vortex came out over three decades ago. Never had a penetration problem. Always complete pass through, and doing so out west where shots tend to be further. I believe the furthest a deer traveled after the hit was about 25 yards. Usually they pile up after about 12-15 yards.

@@jonahmosher3024 then you've only hit perfect shots or you're lying

@@mikeguy9668 why would he lie ? Accusing someone one of lying because they are a better shot than you doesn’t mean you should accuse them of lying. Geez .

It's all about getting perfect arrow flight. Wayyyy more important than the weight or broadhead. Bare shaft and /or paper tune. Should be able to group bareshafts with fletched at 40 yards in zero wind.

@@montuckyman4982 not more important, JUST as important.

Wow! People should listen to you. That's amazing stats.

Thank you for bringing this up and thanks for that information. People should definitely be listening to you. You bring up a huge point here. I’m a crossbow hunter. Many young crossbow hunters, especially ones new to the game, think that just because the newer crossbows can shoot 400, 450, 500+ fps and can accurately deliver an arrow at 60, 70, 80, 100 yards into a “TARGET” think that those types of shots are okay on an animal, and they are not okay. I’m not saying that there’s never a situation that will arise where you can’t take a deer at 60, 70+ yards successfully with a capable crossbow, but I am saying that those situations are very very rare in all reality. Extremely rare! There’s far too many variables that come in to play when taking shots at those kind of distances on a live animal. Too many! I personally ran into the same young man several times just this last season who had shot three deer, 1 buck and two does in an area I hunt in. None of which he recovered (0). Then come to find out that he had shot the buck at 64 yards and the two does right around 70. The first thing out of his mouth was that his crossbow could shoot 100 yards no problem and he was using Swacker broad-heads because they leave heavy blood trails and do immense damage. That they deploy and open up to a 3” inch cutting diameter into the animal so even if it wasn’t a kill shot he would successfully be able to track the deer to wherever it died. I blame many of the manufactures of these mechanicals as well as many of the crossbow manufacturers for much of this BS. But, just like everything else in this world it’s all about profit and how much of their product they can quickly push out into the market for maximum greenbacks. Much of their marketing is highly irresponsible. Thanks again for your comment.

Wow, a 60+ yard shot is just unthinkable to me. I'm new to crossbow hunting and consider myself to be an ethical hunter. I'm thinking 35 yards max.

@@jrvane11 I have a Ten-Point RS440 Havoc. My arrows chronograph at 456 fps. I took a really nice doe last year at 64 yards. The only reason I took a chance on the shot was because she was bedded down. After that shot, I really kept going over and over in my mind of all the things that could’ve went wrong even with her bedded down at that distance. So I have sworn off anything more than 45. I just won’t take that kind of long shot on a live animal ever again. There’s just far too many variables for something to go wrong. Then you have a severely injured animal that may take days or even weeks to succumb to its injuries, more than likely by way of infection. A very agonizing and slow way to go. Not that I haven’t made bad shots on a deer before because I have, and if you hurt long enough, you eventually will also. But we want to avoid that at all cost. Like you said “ETHICAL!” good luck to you this season.

H-minus, great comments and I completely agree with you. Great guys and excellent topics.

How about grim reapers?

@@rorynelson7548 yep, and they are ok broadside but are terrible at angles, actually had 2 skip of the same deer 20 minutes apart and didn't get a 3rd shot

There ya go. That's time tested arrow setup wisdom you're utilizing with the weight up front. Glad to hear it.

Great news I’ve never had a problem with them and that’s what I use and what I’m going to keep using for a while

so you hit a shoulder blade and THOUGHT you had a good shot, and you werent using something with a chisel tip. 300+ fps crossbow with 150gr 3" swhackers will pass through a fucking elephant, facts.

@@puregameplay7916 Nope might have hit the shoulder on the opposite side. Number one I was there you was not, number two I don't have to use vulgar language to make my point,,

@@marcruble4613 man, you can literally get passthroughs with the practice point ffs, still has a 1" cutting diameter. You had a different experience than literally 99% of swhacker users lol. Cant even be your bow being too weak cause I shoot passthroughs with a 50# longbow on deer with a swhacker.

You shoot a crossbow? Are you a woman or disabled or just gay?

@@TheeRiverGoatfound the poor guy. One in every group.

Ha ha get it EXTREME (rage)

Almost same set up every deer I've shot with them died literally 50 yards away even the ones I've hit in the shoulder. With that being said I would change to a fixed if I shot at a pig or anything bigger than a deer just because I'm not gonna get that pass through I would with a deer

Same here but switched 3 years ago. Once you start experimenting you'll be surprised that it's not as bad as you may have thought or at least what others think.

I really like my Magnus Black Hornet setup. I switched to them this summer and they group as well as my field points. Cant wait to use them this fall!

fixed head i agree, but you dont need real heavy arrows for deer. i shoot 370gr arrows and i cant remember the last time i didnt get a pass-thru. i think never since i switched to fixed heads, high foc will make your arrows shoot a rainbow trajectory. i prefer a faster, more balanced, flatter shooting arrow.

Last season I used rage for the first time after using fixed blades and lost what would have been my biggest deer to date and maybe ever. 10 yards slightly quartering too and unfortunately hit shoulder and the arrow fell out. I'm shooting magnus stingers this year and never going back.

@@yourmomma2995 I went all in. I went from 420 grain before to 825. Very minimal "rainbow" even at 50 yds. Now my bow is EXTREMELY quiet. Never going back to light arrows. Arrows make no sound either, until impact. I set up a camera at the target to make sure.

Montecs are what I have shot for years after a 2 complete failures with a spitfire and a rage hypodermic. I even use them crossbow hunting now. Just a great all around broadhead

@@fishingjoe683 the ventless montec heads didn't flyby well out of my cousins xbow but the standards were within 1" of his field heads and consistent. I have complete confidence in montecs even though I moved to cutthroats. Only reason I switched was for better steel and ease of resharpening.

a friend of mine lost two deer last year, shooting Rage. First one with a bow, second one with crossbow. He won't put a fixed blade at all. I think the blades never opened, and those deer were able to walk out miles and die without being found.

Spitfire and you will have no problem 😊

I love the montecs. I shot three pigs with them and the last one went down within sight

I started using Schwakker 252 fixed blades 3 yrs ago . I have 3 left , all 3 have 3 harvest each on them . Just sharpen and reuse . Wish i could find these broadheads again .

That's some pretty good performance with those g-5s. I tend to stick with broad heads that approach the traditional 3-1 ratio. Nothing to fail.

I had bad luck with deflections with the Montecs and the blood trails were below average at best

I’ve shot two deer with the g5 montecs, both left no blood trail and got almost no penetration, of course I shot them right out the box and didn’t do any sharpening myself but I personally won’t use them again

Same here man.

I've had rage work for me on a couple of occasions, but I've had them work against me enough times to never hunt deer with em again

It’s all about blade sharpness and shot placement. I’ve tried several brands of expandable broadheads over the years, and most of them, brand new out of the box, won’t shave hair.

On the Indian Head Navy Base they did a study and they had a much higher recovery rate with mechanicals over fixed blade broadheads. fixed blade heads aren't as lethal.

I have been using rage for the last several years and have done quite well with them. Placement is always key but I’m going to design a arrow for single bevel shots under 20 yards for those oh shit shots on game. Going to work with my local archery shop to get a half dozen arrows ready and get the correct broadhead set up. Probably going to run iron wills with a bleeder

Interesting. What is your setup? I have never had a problem with penetration. Always a complete pass through with mechanicals.

I get complete pass throughs on all whitetails, big Canadian Moose, Woodland Caribou, and Bison with a 2 blade Rage.

@@buck16 That's anecdotal evidence.

@@jonahmosher3024 That's anecdotal evidence.

Only my first hand personal experience but about half my friends shoot rage mechanicals and undoubtedly less than half get complete pass throughs most of the time And yes the shoot properly spined arrows and all shoot a bow with at least a 65lb DW most 70DW or above. I feel this is the norm with MBH's because back when I still watched hunting shows I use to be utterly amazed and shocked at how the vast majority of shots I saw using Mechanical BH's has such poor arrow penitration

Just watch youtube videos - see plenty poor penetration with mechanicals - PLENTY

It will eventually happen…these guys just gave you video evidence showing proof. My good friend lost a stud on public in Illinois this past year. Die hard rage guy. I smoked a giant that evening shooting 640 with an iron will. Watched him fall 60 yards from my tree. He shoots single bevel now.

@@sawyerwilliams2174 actually most of their failures were with rage and some off brand Zach was shooting. I think it was Aaron who had shot spitfires for years with no issues

While I was bow hunting I used the whitetail specials all pass throughs on every deer i shot. But i shot heavy arrows wanting penetration thats it didnt care about speed. lBut I agree its a bunch of off brand/ new styles with failures is what it seems.

@@shadyroids yep same here I use the heaviest Easton axis arrows. My bow is down from 350 obo to 291 but for the damage it does I’m good with that

@@dualthreatoutdoors mechanical devises fail. Regardless of they brand they fail. Period. Shoot what you like but I’m not shooting that garbage. Iron Wills all day.

@@greghunt876if you have a penetration problem your setup is too light. Passthrough is a passthrough.

Shot vortex years always dead deer but now but looking at fixed since no more vortex

@Greg Hunt fixed blades will fly just as good with tuning, and the penetration is much better.

@@rykerpuckett2883you aren’t hunting grizzly bears. Deer are super thin skinned

​@@WMBCSdead is dead. There is no such thing as arrow overkill. For as thin skinned as deer are, and how easy, it is amazing so many are lost every year to arrow and broadhead failure.

Which Magnus you shooting? I'm thinking of moving over to those over the old school thunderheads I am shooting.

@@bigblock67camaro I like the reg stingers , 125 grain , they are extremely sharp and extremely accurate

@@bigblock67camaro Stingers and black hornets are very good broadheads. I like the bleeder vanes. Very effective on moose and elk as well as deer. Great choice for broadheads. NOTASPONSOR.

Good point ol man here fixed hunted w a guy from Michigan he used zwakkies 145 s he sharpen and used the same blade over 50 times I’d loose or retire the head before I went thru all that. But just him tough fixed blade. Lots of game to include pigs

Welcome to the good side

Absolutely happens. Mine went into the garbage.

I’ve had the same issues but I found out it was due to a poorly tuned arrow.

I shoot the QAD Exodus... its a great penetrating head with plenty of cutting diameter

@@dylansluis7684 I've had good luck with those

The close shots not penetrating is most likely due to poor arrow flight as the arrow is still kicking. And the fletching hasn't gotten control yet. Bare shaft tune and/or paper tune no matter what broadhead you choose

@@montuckyman4982 nah same thing at my doe at 35 yards….. I do bare shaft tune, to much expansion not enough power to pull it through. Shoot what you want though I don’t judge.

Are you still wrestling bro

I live in Elk country, people kill elk every year with other people's mechanicals in them. You made a good choice. Looking at a deer in the woods is like seeing a medium-large farm goat. A bull elk is like a crossbred sport horse or a small steer. 100 percent different ballgame.

If you were having trouble before with blood trails why would you go to a single bevel you should go to a rear deploying mechanical instead.

Have you picked a single bevel blade yet? I've got some Grizzly stiks that shoot unbelievably well and they're really, really tough. Harder to sharpen because it's high grade tool metal if you get the black ones, but they are horrifying when you get them all the way sharp. They are not cheap but I've got eight and none spin crooked even the 2 practice heads with chips out of them. They don't look that rugged but they are. Don't give them away but they have great sales on their site pretty often. Folks have lots good to say about cutthroats too, but I got some used and they didn't spin as well as the used grizz. Probably not the fault of cutthroat though. The only thing with single bevels if that you're better off going with a decent cheap double bevel like magnus than a cheap single. The thin edge just rolls over like a trained dog if its discount steel. First bad word I've heard about g5s, interesting.

@@lycheeznuts I'm considering it as well. Good thing we have a lot of hunting on front.

@@jcarry5214 no bad word on G5 I just haven't had mega hols with the montec. Don't get it twisted. They zip through deer and are killer.

@@IntuitiveUniversity no harm intended, I’m never going to buy any, just surprised, they’re really well liked. No skin in the game for me it’s just learning pluses and minuses.

🤣😂🤣

I use the magnus also and the tracking job is usually 30 to 40 yards I use a crossbow and I'll keep using them

Can’t say that I was exaggerating, and yes some user error was probably involved. I have a low/avg draw length and draw weight, had too many that just doinked into meat or bone. I’m sure that more than the original 60% died, I just couldn’t recover them. Fast forward, with a heavier fixed blade, and they rarely get out of sight before going down. In response to your $12 broadhead comment, the cheap muzzles ( for example ) with the green body would bend and deform within 1 or 2 shots into a block broadhead target, making it impossible to verify that your broadheads will fly true before they go in the quiver. Do the testing with the exact tool that you plan to use in the real deal; don’t rely on the results achieved from an imposter arrow tip. Crossbows are great if you want to carry more weight AND limit your opportunity to get a second shot off to a second fall turkey or a second deer. Not for me.

Your not caring, is that suppose to impress us...?

Coc mechanical like SWAT X-MAG BROADHEADS are the ticket !

They had to change broadleafs because Rage already pays too many content producers. If they want feed the family they need sponsors. Rage has harvested 1000’s and 1000’s of deer. No problem with fixed blade except the age old battle with accuracy.

Yea thats what i use an only issue ive had is when i make a bad shot

Same here brother... bad to the bone ! 🏹🦌👍🏼

Im wondering myself ! i shoot 315 fps with a 390g arrow and always pass throughs. Did clean a deer with a fixed blade stuck in the shoulder bone. A mechanical would not have passed through either .It all depends your shooting abilities and some luck when bowhunting.

@@bowhunter4893 absolutely I agree! I started going with heavy arrows because I started to hunt hogs alot at night with a red light on my bow and it’s not very often that a perfect angle presents itself when you put the light on them and it’s go time. Once the light hits them Big solitary boars around my are give about 2 seconds before they get spooked and roll out.

Classic case of user error and ignorance and they’d rather blame the broadhead instead of their lack of knowledge about their setup.

Glad to see someone else calling this somewhat nonsense. My experiences are the exact opposite of the message in this video. I have seen 10 ring fixed blade shots with absolutely no blood, 4-8 hrs to find deer. I have seen behind center line shots with a large cut expandable where the deer died in sight. No broadhead is perfect for every situation. I will send my 425-440 grain arrows with a rage trypan on the end at any animal in north america at any resonable shot angle. I have put over 1200 inches of antler(not trying to brag) on the ground in North Dakota in the last ten years of dakota-sas subspecies(giant bodied whitetails) probably 70% of them with rage. I experience all kinds of shots, angles, situations hunting in the open prairie and have made some poor and questionable shots, a couple of which I would not have recovered the deer without a 2.5 inch hole in the deer. We have alot harder time finding my good friends bucks he shoots with montecs, then the deer I shoot with rage and shwackers. I have killed a couple deer with expensive fixed blades that I used for elk hunting that season and watched those deer die as well. I have alot of respect and love the hunting public channel but this was alot of blowing in this video, so I guess this is me blowing back.

I agree! I shoot 125 grain 1.5 SEVR and it's killed every thing for me. That is from deer, turkey and Elk! I love the rear deployment of this broadheads as well as the blades lock! Stainless steel very strong versus aluminum!!! Anyway, great discussion..... thanks

Lmfao...seriously that's just BS!

Same thing happened to me

Vortex mechanicals never fail, cant fail, impossible to fail. Fly like darts massive wounds. Best broad head ever made.

Slick trick 100s. Tried and true do yourself a favor and get those

Sounds like you need a gun

That happened to me this year