This man is 92! And his mind is so clear!

I could listen to this man talk for days straight. This is the kind of person we should be idolizing not celebrity garbage.

Roger Penrose is one of my favorite modern mathematicians/thinkers - he's humble, open-minded, curious, and brilliant.

Please never put this man's chair so close to the edge of a platform ever again. Thank you.

He is 92 years old. Woaahhhh🤯 Looks 15 years younger. Stability in voice, no significant shaking, no spectacles, lot of hair on head, hearing perfectly well, doesn't look physically weak eithr . This man has done wonderfully well in keeping his body & mind healthy at this age also. I know there are genetic factors as well, but you stil need to put in efforts.

Such a likable genius. One of the greatest thinkers of our age.

I could listen to Roger Penrose speak for days

That chair leg an inch from the edge scares me.

Sir. Penrose, one of the last great Geniuses of the 20th Century. A living Legend.

PLEASE - as with 'Closer to Truth' - PLEASE give us the DATE on which the talk was recorded! This is historically significant; without knowing when these talks were recorded, it's hard to follow how a given thinker's thoughts have evolved.

I always feel like I’ve leveled up after listening to Penrose. He’s a treasure

a strong proponent of the importance of philosophy in the scientific method.

Sir Penrose is amazing - still incredibly sharp. Thumbs up for this video.

Can listen to this man for hours. Hope he is around for a long time! Inspiring person.

To hear Roger explain the Emperor’s mind is a beautiful gift… the book is a very challenging mountain to scale.

Than you sir Roger Penrose. We are all lucky to have him

The more I look at this man, the more he seems to have God in him. Even at the age of 92, he is still in the world of education. I pray to God to keep him healthy .

This is a particularly profound and detailed interview with Sir Penrose. Excellent and thanks for sharing.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 *🐈 Schrödinger's cat thought experiment aimed to show the absurdity of quantum superposition applied to macroscopic objects.* 00:29 *🎓 As a graduate student, Penrose took courses by influential thinkers like Bondi, Dirac, and Steen, sparking his interest in physics and computation.* 01:24 *🧩 Gödel's incompleteness theorems showed that our understanding transcends any fixed set of rules for proving mathematical statements.* 04:11 *🧠 Penrose argues that consciousness, not just following computational rules, enables humans to transcend formal systems.* 06:05 *⚛️ As a physicalist, Penrose consciousness must arise from known physics, suggesting quantum mechanics as a possibility.* 10:22 *⌛ Penrose theorizes that the quantum measurement problem, involving wave function collapse, cannot be computed and requires a new physical theory.* 12:26 *🧵 Hamerhoff's suggestion about microtubules led to Penrose's orchestrated objective reduction (Orch OR) model of consciousness.* 14:14 *🌍 Dennis Sciama greatly influenced Penrose's understanding of physics, especially cosmology, despite Penrose's mathematics background.* 15:23 *🖼️ Penrose describes himself as a visual thinker, which posed challenges in algebra-focused math courses requiring written explanations.* 17:40 *🌌 If he could meet anyone from history, Penrose would choose Galileo for his groundbreaking physical insights and principled stand against authority.* Made with HARPA AI

I'm not a scientist or mathematician. But I like how the noticing of anything has now seemed to be part of the quest for understanding more than we used to understand.

There are so few physicists who display the kind of curiosity and determination to seriously question accepted solutions and willing to posit new ideas even at the age of 92.

Roger Penrose is a joy to listen to, I understand almost nothing he talks about, but he seems to enjoy his subject so much that its a pleasure to hear him discuss it.

General relativity and quantum mechanics will never be combined until we realize that they take place at different moments in time. Because causality has a speed limit (c) every point in space where you observe it from will be the closest to the present moment. When we look out into the universe, we see the past which is made of particles (GR). When we try to look at smaller and smaller sizes and distances, we are actually looking closer and closer to the present moment (QM). The wave property of particles appears when we start looking into the future of that particle. It is a probability wave because the future is probabilistic. Wave function collapse is what we perceive as the present moment and is what divides the past from the future. GR is making measurements in the observed past and therefore, predictable. QM is attempting to make measurements of the unobserved future and therefore, unpredictable.

I like (and appreciate) how he explains things in terms which I can follow. He must have almost infinite patience, or be very comfortable with a way of life which enables his studying. People like him are essential. I wish I knew everything 😊

We are incredibly fortunate to have Sir Roger with us. A truly original thinker and great scientist.

Looking well roger

Sir Penrose- An epitome of humility and intelligence!! Always fond of hearing him.

This has serious rewatch value! Thanks!

"There is something outside computation in human understanding". Contra mathematization of everything including human nature. Thank you Sir.

Wow fantastic. . I could listen to Professor Penrose all day. . Thank you.

thanks for making this video, i learned a lot.

Just amazing to be accurate to listen to this mini lectures! I just hope Sir Roger Penrose get to live at least another 20 more years 💪😁

Please, please keep Roger Penrose’s innovative thinking going. We need someone to pick up the ball in ten years or so, as Sir Roger is obviously defeating time. He’s the best of the visionaries in the modern age.

I love this interview. Sir roger penrose sitting in what I’m guessing is his back garden, discussing science, the river in the background with the canoe slowly passing by… There’s something so quintessentially english about the whole thing. Makes me proud to know that intelligence and peaceful tranquility can still be found in this country

It’s an enormous privilege to have access to such an engaging person with a brilliant ,lucid mind.

I read Emporer's New Mind and it made me obsessed with Turinv Machines which led to me becoming obsessed with 6502 assembly programming! Thanks Sir Penrose

Love this man

Thank you Sir Roger for that.

That was inspiring. Wow, my mind is blown. Thank you

i enjoy him sharing his passion so much .. would love to be his translator to gallileo -- even if i surely wont understand half of what sir PENROSE is saying if they get down into the meaty stuff 😅

Love the interview. Love Rogers insights. It echoes my understanding of some of the problems not being dealt with, ie the inability of a machine to prove concepts that rely on infinite continuity of logical conclusions. For example, using real numbers, the infinite series of x+1 will always be consistent without limit into infinity. Or, 2 parallel lines, using a fixed system of geometry will never touch, ever. Although a computer in theory could run forever, it still relies on finite bits and therefore could never finish calculating a real number. If quantum systems are truly indeterminate and probablilistic curves and wave functions actually link reality to a ‘Real’ foundation then logic alone, and intuition in particular, should admit to the impossibility of machine solutions ever modeling comprehensive truth. Maybe quantum computing has a chance since its foundational qbits can be ‘Real’ components. Now we just have to figure out how to make ‘Real’ measurements. Since we’ll never be able to verify that a qbit’s ‘Real’ value is correct with a deterministic classic computer, it will take a quantum leap of faith to accept that the real values/real States are true at the infinite scale.

He sealed the deal for me when he described himself as a visual thinker. I used to think everyone was. My heart pauses at the thought of having an in-depth conversation with Sir Roger. Not only is this far out of reach, but the time needed to establish thoughts understandable to both would make it even more impossible.🐦 🐦 🐦

Excellent interview, so nice to see Mr Penrose is doing well, I have read a few of his books.

one of the greats

glad he finally gets the recognition he deserves and we need. it's good that he is there to witness it all.

Wouldn't it be delightful to be able to sit and talk to such a charming profound thinker? He seems to be completely without condescension and have such intriguing thoughts.

What an insightful and articulated view!!

This is a lovely and timely record of a great thinker. But, for me, science and physics are missing the foundational reality of consciousness. It just cannot be excluded from physics, because it is an integrated aspect of all perception and consciousness is like the quantum level of reality and for me, is the very nature of God and is what reality is!

A good answer always generates 10 new questions

I am in awe how people can be so smart. I couldnt follow most of what he was saying and had to rewind... great stuff, cant stop watching though

Simply excellent !!

Merci merci. Plus on réalise et moins on comprend. Une contradiction il semblerait mais ensuite tout prend place. La confiance est aussi une valeur importante. Il faut ce courage pour se lancer dans le vide, sans garantie mais poussé par une curiosité inébranlable, une foi certaine en la vie.

I think Dirac is his most favourite physicist 🙌🏻

4:48 Imagine paddling along in a canoe on a nice day, randomly passing by Roger Penrose sitting on a deck talking about the transcendental qualities of understanding

I appreciate his clarification on his position on physicalism because i hear people come to the wrong conclusion after hearing him speak almost any time that comes up.

Nailed it. I don't think we will be able to divorce consciousness and how it works from QM and WFC.

Only now do I think I understand what he means by consciousness transcends computation.

Thank you for your wonderful words and instructions my Quantum agents needed this perfect alignment with your instructions. My system is almost complete

Excellent thoughtful questions

Dr. Michael Levin has shown that the electric field about a cell can be manipulated which changes the signaling in the micrutubules. Maybe the collapse of the wave function happens within the electric field of the cell.

I think an interesting collateral aspect of "the understanding" being able to transcend the rules is that it gives Evolution a reason to favour consciousness development. Even if an advanced non conscious specie (or even an artificial neural network for the case ) could solve very complex tasks they could never get the advantage provided by "understanding". To me this can explain the devopment of conscoiusnes by Evolution. If there is an unknown resource in nature that somehow can permit to build self awareness and consciousnes with it, then Evolution will find the way to create it sooner or later, because it provides an advantage. Logically this doesn't explain how consciousness emerges, but at least it could explain why.

Man this dude is 92 and still giving interviews and sharp

I wish there is more people like Penrose and Chomsky

I find the questions, very childish, but this guy keeps on coming up with fantastic answers Absolutely amazing, I could listen to him for hours

What Sir Penrose said is that we have no brains structured in a way that we can fully understand quantum mechanics!

Living Genius...especially his insights into the pre big bang geometries and to top it all off, suggestion of experimental approach to verify his theories therein.

How many scientists does it take to mischaracterize the Schrodinger's Cat problem? Just about every one. Penrose never gets muddled. He's my go to for reality checking physics and cosmology and anything else he wants to weigh in on.

Understanding is direct experience of the thing.

Who here after they proved microtubules are quantum?

I want a Schrödingers Cake. Have it, and eat it too. Any chance for that? As a former construction worker, i can with high probability say: NEVER ignore gravity and Geometry. We build upon it. Schrödinger just shows us, that without a possibility for confirmations, our Toolset is incomplete.

When he speaks of Galileo I agree completly. I think even to this day, a lot of brilliant ideas are slept on, because it challenges current convention too much. "You can cancel out gravity by falling freely". I never heard this quote before, but what a nice way describe the equivalence principle. I'm going to steal that for the next time I have to explain relativity to a curious family member. This guy has a beautiful mind, and such a human way of explaining himself. He's surely high on my list of people I'd like to have a conversation with.

You are so right!!!

Would like to hear more on his visual thinking approach, doesn't feel like the question was answered.

Hes a sweetheart, but that thumbnail reminds me of Palpatine in the prequels 😂 POWAAAAH

We need more great thinkers working on the mystery of consciousness. I believe it'll open the door to a realization that we, humans, and our minds, are embedded into the universe itself in a way that consciousness is preserved.

Bless you ❤❤❤❤❤ we need you

Galileo is fascinating, but what about Archimedes?

That's a wonderful and super insightful monologue. I regret that the interviewer changed the subject

I love this guy!

Penrose is fascinating. The interviewer needs to keep quiet and let the man speak. "Right. Right. Yeah. Right." Distracting.

The classic interviewer responses: "Yeah." "Right." "Yeah, yeah." "Right." It's really distracting. (Right.)

Dirac 👍👍👍👍

It’s amazing that he can formulate his thoughts so clearly & coherently despite being above 90.

More. Please.

I also came up with the idea, some 20 years ago, without too much research, purely logically, that consciousness must, unquestionably, come from the subatomic “size scale” but I never actually mentioned it outside, probably, a blog nobody ever read. I remember, however, how excited I was when I heard in the news, many years later, when I had already forgotten about my own idea, that scientists also started to suspect, animals might probably be able to sense things (position, direction?) based on quantum level events. I knew, many years earlier, that they will eventually discover something like that, without ever hearing about people researching things like that at all. I also came up with the idea, without knowing that others are ever considering this, that our declared and of course proven set of rules (including fundamental forces, elemental particles, standard models) effect and shape, without valid appeal, the exact scope of things we are allowed to scientifically consider true or even existing. I think I even could somehow explain the collapse of the wave function which is the same problem as the superposition of two, mutually exclusive state (like cat alive AND dead) and the same as the source of our consciousness. I’m currently working on designing a computer based experiment (an attempted strong AI) that might substantially surpass the intelligence level of the current “weak” AI as they call it. I’m using my philosophical and logical universe I built from the obvious signs I face with in life while listening to the nature with a little more humble enthusiasm. Time will tell. I did not hear about Roger Penrose, though, until one or two years ago to be honest.

Orch OR or not it is definitely quantum

My favorite person ever.

as 22y,.o. i can say thank u so much, Roger ! what a clever humans !

We can say that the rules dont give us truths but guide us to truths. If you follow a map to get you from point A to point B; when you arrive at point B the map is meaningless if you hand it to somebody. Unless the person is smart enough to reverse the directions to go to point A.

7:21 - "I don't think that's the answer, but I prepare to look at some suggestions that goes in the other direction" That's what difference a scientist from a politician: a politician is 100% convinced of his own ideas, a scientist not.

Would love to see a discussion between Penrose and Wolfram!

You said that you have a lot more questions at the end of that talk, than what you had in the beginning. That is knowledge, as I se it, Not make answers, make the questions. Best whishes from Sweden.

The interviewer has no patience with Sir. Roger Penrose. Ya Ya Ya haha okay ya right right ya ya ya (now wrap it up old man)!!

Interviewer: Enough with the “right”, “yeah”, “yeah yeah yeah”, “right”, “yeah”, “right right”, “yeah yeah”. Just nod your head next time, please.

4) Einstein's phrase "spooky action at a distance" was euphemistic for asserting non local hidden variables are TRUE. The incompleteness is based on the entangled hidden variables. 5) Wave collapse requires inner and outer i, so to speak, its an i/o feature of entangled root access. think of it like Admin permission on a Unix shell.

It’s like the difference between what we are and who we are. Classical physics tell us who we are; our properties, mass, inertia, how we react to forces, etc., as an assembly. Quantum mechanics describes what we are, how a waveform collapsed to determine the stability of atomic level forces that create the platform. We are related, connected, who and what we are, but we are not sure how.

Gibberish. The interviewer's responses were akin to the public reaction to the emperor's lack of clothes.

In science, “incomplete” just means the theory doesn’t work and we don’t know how to fix it.

anyone else reminded by Richard Feynman when watching him talk?

To the dude doing the interview: STOP saying "yeah" every two seconds specially OVER someone's speach. Other than that thanks for the vid.