Their teammates called it a TANK DIFF... Is it true? | Spectating GOLD WINSTON

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@KoiPuff
@KoiPuff 5 ай бұрын
I’d actually say it was a DPS diff. Not because red was playing BAD per se but because Hypery (the enemy Reaper/Ashe/Sojourn) was just having a REALLY good game. They had a solid Mercy pocket for 80% of this game and they were getting huge picks. You just didn’t see the same kind of impact from DrSickMan or Steeze.
@ravenharmon1282
@ravenharmon1282 5 ай бұрын
Well then at that point it's a mercy diff too. Red mercy was heal botting tank the whole game but I think blue mercy was actually damage amping dps
@spindles6507
@spindles6507 5 ай бұрын
I always hear "tank diff" and get sad bc I know my teammates are right :(
@sidewinderrr
@sidewinderrr 5 ай бұрын
you'll get better eventually man don't give up
@kateuptonishot77
@kateuptonishot77 5 ай бұрын
Don't be sad there's no way overwatch players are always right
@scottdraper9338
@scottdraper9338 5 ай бұрын
I want to say half of the time it's your supports that are the X factor. There has been times when I walk out of spawn with a rein then my supports then decide to go zen/Lucio... In turn forcing me onto a sigma which I am not as competent in playing.
@piusdoe8984
@piusdoe8984 5 ай бұрын
Aw that made me sad. Listen though. Only like top500s actually know how to identify the problem. Everyone else incorrectly blames ppl but YOURE ALL THE SAME RANK, you're all making equal mistakes but it's easier to not see them with other roles.
@Paradoxx867
@Paradoxx867 5 ай бұрын
NO! It’s not you, you have the most responsibilities and are given the least utility to shut them down. Tank diff is said by everyone, but is most the time it’s just suckers being salty because they’re in a low elo. That being said, you can only focus on yourself and your gameplay. Get an ego, but never forget that your rank is a reflection of your ability. Good luck, have fun.
@Neek0tine
@Neek0tine 5 ай бұрын
"yeah you only go after elims" "you didnt make enough space" "ball diff" "you didnt peel" "youre too passive" Life of a tank player. Thank god I was born in DOTA 2 and LoL toxicity
@maxlegolus2817
@maxlegolus2817 5 ай бұрын
I used to think tanks that charge in were idiots, Now I realize that they were just doing their job of making space and I’m the idiot.
@piusdoe8984
@piusdoe8984 5 ай бұрын
Yah that's their job.. but you can still do it wrong. Either taking too much dmg or timing it wrong
@l0kpcr397
@l0kpcr397 5 ай бұрын
^ what @piusdoe8984 said. Depending on the tank, there are windows to wait for but they all vary depending on what team comp you have/are going up against.
@kevinkalani
@kevinkalani 5 ай бұрын
This is kinda why I worry when I have a Lifeweaver on my team. Especially if I play a less mobile tank like Rein. The amount of work you have to put to take a spot is taken away by a bad pull from an anxious LW. Most tanks do their job by walking the fine line between taking space and feeding, especially if they are not aware of what cooldowns you have. To be fair though, tank is so nuanced and it's the least played role, so it's tough to expect all 4 teammates to know what's going on.
@sethescope
@sethescope 5 ай бұрын
"It's video time" makes me laugh out loud EVERY time. it has this perfect amount of cheesy dad energy that is absolutely delightful. 10000/10
@EvilMonkey403
@EvilMonkey403 5 ай бұрын
i love it when DPS says tank diff while letting the enemy doomfist roam in their backlines and not even targeting him
@rationaldemon195
@rationaldemon195 5 ай бұрын
Something to note that i want to give out the tank player is that i clearly want to praise and probably glossed over is that this tank has been activly been conscious about his sorrounding, not many tank player keep tabs on their sorrounding teammates, he knew when the teamfight was over and chose to dissengage many tanks die on point without realising what they've done was good or bad, he made an active effort to know when the fight had ended and made a decision, i understand that it is better to die on point at times but this habit is a good one and can bring better results overall, he just needs to be more familiar with the mechanical aspect of bubble managment and leap trajectory control but overall the awareness presented should still be practiced as not many tanks practice this. There were alot of mistakes on how he aproached things but overall the attention and choices he made weren't neccesarily detrimental but can be improved by being more familiar with the heroe.
@WaferTots
@WaferTots 5 ай бұрын
definitely definitely, would rather have that kind of tank on my team than one whos completely out of sync with their team and timing
@CharterForGaming
@CharterForGaming 5 ай бұрын
Something i noticed was that they don't really know the range of their left click yet. They lost so much damage
@rionnachelliot8951
@rionnachelliot8951 5 ай бұрын
People will say tank diff when they loose pretty much no matter what. i've played in games where my tank got flamed for not having the damage and eliminations that the enemy tank did but they played with the team and had really high mitigation which is why we won. I've been flamed for a close game we lost when I played winston and I had 48 eliminations to the other tanks 14 but they didn't care. tank diff. Its why I have coms turned off entirely for this game.
@killhimnotme9129
@killhimnotme9129 4 ай бұрын
Playing winston = tank diff. Cant play winston without getting blamed atleast once every 3 games
@HmongHeroo
@HmongHeroo 5 ай бұрын
That pharah had free reign over the skies with their flanks near the end there
@engineergaming3830
@engineergaming3830 5 ай бұрын
I'd say it's a teamwork issue I rarely seen genji really work together with winton and the mercy pocketing him
@omrizubary
@omrizubary 5 ай бұрын
To the Winston in the vid as a Winston main I tell you this: Bubble has 1 usage: it is to protect YOURSELF while diving backline, without it you are useless with it you are useful, you are not a Reinhardt stop using bubble to "protect your team" you want to know how Winston protects his team? By baiting attention onto him . And use high grounds they will alow you to drop to backline without using jump. And as for primal I rather use it as a last resort if I am going to die or it's overtime and I gotta buy time for ma team to return, and of course you have the juggle tech of primal but I was it as a way to disrupt.
@kommandantkillcode
@kommandantkillcode 5 ай бұрын
I find that with the way Sniper monkey is rn, when poking sometimes the bubbles will help me not lose a teammate too soon before we're ready to engage 😅. But yeah, it's best to save them for dives.
@Yummeosbada
@Yummeosbada 26 күн бұрын
@@kommandantkillcodeYea I’ve found some success playing Winston like Rein during poke battles at times. Especially if I feel my team is getting melted. Use it more as a reset, then try to off angle.
@MrHaggyy
@MrHaggyy 5 ай бұрын
It wasn't really a "diff". Just a bunch of small things like target priority and bubble usage, as well as your DPS not knowing how to play with a Winston. Some of the Reinhardt-Bubbles did actually work as your DPS knew how to use those. One last thing, Winston does not really need to aim. Use that time to get aware where your team and enemies are. If a DPS almost made a pick, secure it. If it's an equal fight try to isolate the supports from the fight. Either by diving or just bubble and help your team. But you need a decent understanding where everybody is, which you can build by looking around.
@Raccoonhandler11
@Raccoonhandler11 5 ай бұрын
Good analysis, guy was playing at least play level but we can always learn
@Tailstraw_xD
@Tailstraw_xD 5 ай бұрын
I used to be a Reinhardt one trick, but now playing anything except tank is more fun. You can't even really body block for your team anymore, they just mollywhop you down in .02 seconds and anyone you try to swing at gets pumped so hard that they're functionally invincible.
@conleyshen8062
@conleyshen8062 5 ай бұрын
Recently I've been getting the feeling that evenly matched/close fights in comp are getting really rare. Granted I'm only gold at best but all the games I've played the past week or so have either been my team stomping theirs or their team stomping mine, no in-between.
@Kerps123
@Kerps123 5 ай бұрын
The classic enemy goes pharah and we all go projectile and ignore the pharah and let her fly around and be annoying for free. But when i go pharah the enemy team all goes hitscan and make my life miserable playing pharah.
@AngrySecs
@AngrySecs 4 ай бұрын
You're just spitting facts rn. Any time I even think about playing pharah theyve already swapped dva, ashe, soldier/bastion, and ana. But if I'm playing tank and they have a pharah my team swaps junkrat and reaper and spams tank diff
@ravenharmon1282
@ravenharmon1282 5 ай бұрын
Not the red mercy heal notting tank 💀
@CS-pg4go
@CS-pg4go 3 ай бұрын
Also 2nd point of this map is so tough for lower ranks because you can be doing everything as a tank but no one will take high ground to put pressure on the backline. Like at 11:00 their supports were uncontested most of the time and the only player applying pressure was the tank. For sure a dps diff.
@Fixer48
@Fixer48 5 ай бұрын
I havent seen winston in any of my games all i see rn is orisa every game
@ericaltman4087
@ericaltman4087 4 ай бұрын
100% target priority. Tank v Tank is not the play when your team isn't picking up enemy supports.
@CaptainRipHunter
@CaptainRipHunter Ай бұрын
That’s weird, Emongg misspelled Winton in the video title
@StevenBruleMD
@StevenBruleMD 4 ай бұрын
more winston spectates plzzz
@praisedsquishy
@praisedsquishy 5 ай бұрын
Hope we don't lose the skill of ult tracking, the real cause of a tank abyss. Ram, soj, and lucio have theirs; I pressure a bad overclock which will force beat, my team survives annihilation by not being in range.
@alexander2019.
@alexander2019. 5 ай бұрын
I love it when I play tank and see my DPS getting absolutely fked on but blame me lmfao. Then the supports backed me up saying I wasn't the issue. DPS players need to learn about accountability and being better. Not sure if it's like a copypasta to just blame the tank or if they genuinely believe in their claims.
@phillipgregory8723
@phillipgregory8723 5 ай бұрын
ITS VIDEO TIMEEEEE
@chrisarrington5264
@chrisarrington5264 5 ай бұрын
ITS VIDEO TIEM!!
@winleerasanthanah4716
@winleerasanthanah4716 5 ай бұрын
"tank diff" - i always turn off comms for that reason...
@nathanbraun7296
@nathanbraun7296 5 ай бұрын
Winston's biggest value is ignoring the enemy tank. Spent too much time targeting the tank and not diving Mercy more often.
@WolfRites
@WolfRites 5 ай бұрын
ALRIGHT SO
@davidsalinas2918
@davidsalinas2918 5 ай бұрын
I had less death than everyone on both teams, and 5 less kills than the other tank, was told I was overextending, and was told tank diff, some people can't accept a close game and ready to blame, I was healer with a like a 1000 from the other healer while damage boosting as mercy and speed boosting as Lucio, we WON the game, but a guy blamed me for the game not winning faster
@NSeaBear
@NSeaBear 5 ай бұрын
They have nerfed the melee cancel so it doesn't matter really
@PerfectInfectedLife
@PerfectInfectedLife 5 ай бұрын
he need to s jump for close range targets
@cic9341
@cic9341 5 ай бұрын
Not tank diff, just playstyle issue. I can tell you play support more than dps bc you don't take those free elim. I would say change you mindset to tank and be more aggressive, think of your bubble as a way to attack and you should be good.
@ralphforbes5807
@ralphforbes5807 5 ай бұрын
This wasnt really a tank diff, could have counter swapped but so could the dps an support (support less so) as a tank if im countered and my dps don't go counter when they yelling at me to counter I just use that match to get better against counters lol
@majin2405
@majin2405 5 ай бұрын
Saying any class diff instead of just being constructive and helpful is the reason I have match chat disabled.
@rogue728i
@rogue728i 5 ай бұрын
That and the people who take qp too seriously
@l0kpcr397
@l0kpcr397 5 ай бұрын
@@rogue728ilol true. I had a qp game on sombra where the enemy dps was flaming me in chat (I mean I get it, because it’s sombra 😂) but they made it seem like because I was sombra they had to get sweaty. They eventually switched to Sombra themselves after being on Hanzo mostly, I still ended up winning that game 😂
@Konokopops
@Konokopops 4 ай бұрын
100% playing rein but selected winton
@NKVD1944
@NKVD1944 5 ай бұрын
Bro can someone please tell me how I can send a replay for an episode pls can someone tell me, I'm kinda stoned right now and he has to see my last game, its so funny
@dragulc
@dragulc 4 ай бұрын
i think in discord, the link is in his bio
@NKVD1944
@NKVD1944 4 ай бұрын
@dragulc thanks comrade
@dragulc
@dragulc 4 ай бұрын
@@NKVD1944 of course
@Xratos1991
@Xratos1991 5 ай бұрын
The ez answer to this match is just to switch to something else. Countered by reaper in first round, countered by dva in next. But The cool part is seeing this player work around the counters. For sure just work on the jumps and focus a target.
@kommandantkillcode
@kommandantkillcode 5 ай бұрын
D. Va is definitely a more annoying counter than Reaper with the way Winton is rn lol. Honestly, against Reaper and Bastion, even together, it's not that hard to just avoid them or force them into to bad positions to try and get you.
@AngrySecs
@AngrySecs 4 ай бұрын
Counter swapping should not be the instant answer especially if they only have like one counter for you. If they're running full anti dive then yea maybe switch, but only a reaper or dva or whatever, those are workable. It should be encouraged to get better at the hero in higher pressure situations than to just counter swap at the first opportunity
@zepchir
@zepchir 5 ай бұрын
not even one sec in and i already see the mercy healing a full winston.. guys, please use dmg boost as ur primary use, not healing
@ZaWrldo
@ZaWrldo 5 ай бұрын
Yeah this winston isn't the best, I don't play him very often because I solo queue tank alot and doomfist is just better in that scenario but this player just presses their buttons without thinking about why. They could use some better mechanics but they need to learn how to use their abilities better first. They would've decisely won that last team fight if they killed baptiste with the primal
@beastmac6423
@beastmac6423 5 ай бұрын
I'm here 🎉
@trans_ben_shapiro
@trans_ben_shapiro 5 ай бұрын
hello hope im 3rd
@guest-jn8pj
@guest-jn8pj 5 ай бұрын
Truly based pfp
@Sir_Jimmothy
@Sir_Jimmothy 5 ай бұрын
Twond!
@Guntfarm
@Guntfarm 5 ай бұрын
idk man, you really aren't helping with how 90% of your videos are anti-tank and pro support players doing whatever
@sethescope
@sethescope 5 ай бұрын
i don't understand this comment at all. he's not anti any role or pro any role. he's pro "focus on what you can be doing better, not on your perception of what your teammates are doing." he has also helped so many people - comments are always full of stories of how he has helped, including how his videos have helped me understand the game on a more macro level which is why I'm maybe 1-2 5-4 update cards from hitting diamond
@Guntfarm
@Guntfarm 5 ай бұрын
@@sethescope look at the insane amount of tank videos where the tank is at fault vs how the 1 or 2 support videos go.
@sethescope
@sethescope 5 ай бұрын
@@Guntfarm i think you're misunderstanding the overall point of emongg's videos. his stance has never been "X is entirely at fault." everyone makes mistakes, and just because in a certain situation maybe X role made a mistake and you on your role aren't responsible for that, it doesn't mean anything. it just means a teammate made a mistake and you're not at fault for their mistakes. i feel like you may be a tank player who sees emongg point out a tank's mistakes instead of blaming their teammates and see that as anti tank. that's not anti tank. that's taking responsibility for your mistakes and not foisting blame on your teammates.
@Guntfarm
@Guntfarm 5 ай бұрын
@@sethescope no i'm talking about there being a 10:1 ratio of tank "BLAMED HIS TEAM" videos to support "SAID SHE COULDNT DO MORE" videos and in the support videos he's a lot less likely to say anything negative
@thepunslinger1536
@thepunslinger1536 5 ай бұрын
@@Guntfarmyou… actually counted the amount of tank and supports videos ?
@Soulless805
@Soulless805 5 ай бұрын
I never like to say diff to any role in chat (unless the person is an ass then yknow) because we can all admit to being diffed before, and it doesn’t feel great and it doesn’t help when people say diff in chat, it just doesn’t help with confidence in your abilities to play a certain role/character.
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