Hehe You've activated my trap card "No U" This cards effects allow my to reflect any roasts back to you

As yes, the perfect 90s insult.

Did JWittz just roast my mom?

Thank you my mom must be healthy

I appreciate this compliment, thank you

I was just gonna say. That power creep is at least 10 times bigger

@@Gugnar678 Remember how Stardust Dragon used to have some of the best negation in the game? How times have changed

@@CaptinHavoc1 remember how black luster soldier envoy of beginning was banned until 2011, after that it became limited. Now its unlimited.

Yugioh had been implementing mechanics that slow and limit the game...its not as explosive as 2015 ygo

2013 to now has been a huge spike in power, but you're insane if you dont think the one-of must-include spell and trap cards weren't insane power cards even by today's standards. Graceful Charity, Painful Choice, Forceful Sentry, etc. are STILL banned for good reason

Well, it was OP

GnammyHamster kind of

Now there are normal cards of Pikachu with that much

Free retreat is still really good.

@@Gabu_ yeah

That's true. Mr. Mime was considered an Anti-Meta card. Their only purpose is to take down the top decks since they are exploiting their strengths and making them into their weaknesses.

Man, that Mr. mime card aged like fine wine. Makes me wish a Shedinja card was printed in a similar vain to that.

AvatarGir if this doesn’t happen I’m suing you

Magikarp: 15,000 hp

Magikarp - Legendary

Caterpie- 5000000000000000000$

@@BagelJuice23 It's been 5 months in the future, I think it's time to sue

I'll be back back - Wailord 2027:.......600 hp...

I wonder if it'll be printed as 1000 HP or 1K HP And then before you know it, we'll have cards with trillions of HP.

Pokemon EXpanded Universe

One day we'll have cards too overpowered that you win all prizes when you take them down, and it'll be a one on one battle between two pokemon and a bunch of support.

@@Diabl0Mask honestly I think that could be interesting. basically a boss pokemon that is massive, deals a ton of damage, but it's basically game over if it goes down

@@kellenoconnor4396 It'd break the game though.

Theres only one tcg since tcg mean trading card game

HP hard cap: *rises by 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 points* Wailord: and I took that personally

Zekrom is laughing.

Wtf is Pikachu doing?

Shaking his arse. You know, for moral support...

@@PeterGriffin11 looks like he's doing push ups

the eventual death of the game good riddance to the powercreep

I had few bootleg cards with HP of 1000-10,000

I remember seeing 10,000 hp flareon card once. I laughed

@@niqchus I even used one in a battle with my friend it was an Aurorus card with 3000 HP and theny friend raged quit

I had a 1000 hp nidoking once

(Laughing)

Magikarp gave wailord 50 more HP

When i was 10, we didnt had no Blaziken lol. No 3rd Gen Pokemon was out there. Feeling old now....

Magikarp is probably less than 10% of that HP though.

The Imakuni song from the old Pokemon Gameboy Color set me back.

Wizards of the Coast understood that back when they were in control. Imagine how different the game would be today if they still were.

@@Blah3210 To be fair, most historical competitive players actually prefer the early post WOTC era formats over anything of the WOTC era. Historic players like Ross Cawthon, the Hills, Sami, etc. all are pretty unanimous in saying that WOTC actually wasn't the best era of the card game. Common consensus is that GOAT format for pokemon is like the 2006 format. Not to say they are the biggest fans of some of the newer eras, but at least early on PCL got things right

Motti I’d agree with that. Early on PCL did get it right. With the onset of Gen 5 however things went off the rails. Their entire approach to the card game changed.

Too be fair it only reduces it, and compared to Konami and the hundreds of dead card games they're doing really well in the power creep area

Yugioh wannabe

I don't really agree with the MTG part. My 2006 deck would still be competitive today (in fact, with Ravnica returning there is a very similar one being played in the online game right now). However, good luck being competitive with a 2006 Pokemon deck today.

@@antonioterra5436 your 2006 deck woudnt be competitive on modern

@@nemou4985 you could play blue green infect like I do in modern that's a tier 2 deck that can best anything in 1 turn and its at least 8 almost 9 years old now give or take. Their point is there are many many many old cards in mtg that are very useable and very viable in alot of formats. Compared to yugioh or pokemon where older cards are literally useless (more so in pokemon) mtg power creep has been slowed and managed very well.

@@antonioterra5436 that's what i think as well, why even have rotations if you're gonna powercreep the beejesus out of things anyways, let me play my Mega-gardy EX deck from back in the day again, it isnt beating anything rn anyways.

@@Cinomod6066 Yugioh is really, really bizarre in that many older cards still commonly see play, but large chunks go by the wayside. Any halfway decent deck could you receive like 2 cards and become viable in an instant if Konami wanted to do that, and even bad decks can become viable. In general, archetypes almost never become completely powercrept, with most getting periodic support forever if they're popular enough. It's rarely meta-relevant but on a casual level Ghosttricks or the like are still perfectly playable. Staple cards are more likely to get powercrept though; something like Effect Veiler just isn't as good as Infinite Impermanence in most situations. However, even then there's enough differences to sometimes want to use her instead, as being a level 1 light tuner with 0/0 stats actually has a lot of potential. It's kind of impressive how they sometimes make cards that are largely better but not objectively so; Twin Twisters is Mystical Space Typhoon*2 but with a discard cost, which makes it better in most situations but not all.

Used Napkin XD wow

I never understood how, in the original card game, Charizard was the most powerful and Mewtwo was laughably mediocre. Did whoever made the card game ever even play the game on gameboy?

indeed, I never understood this either, does anyone know?? this has always bothered me...

@@nielsvangeel6652 cause it's not an evolved pokemon in the og card game, basics only maxed out at 60-70 they didn't want you to draw 1 card and basically win the game; but now it's like oh i just drew my tag team boy; gg

Some cards like base set and fossil I remember had levels of the Pokémon on them which would explain the high or low hp

Aaron probably

it's got to be a dynamax wailord as dynamax is the new mechanic of sword and shield.

No it’s just WAILORD EX AND WAILLORD GX

I'm calling it Dynamax Wailord or Chansey will be 420 hp

Magikarp and wailord tag team already has 300. Not sure why 30 extra is that big of deal

it feels like a sprint for new players. for us older players its been decades of wailord and chansey dominance.

Have you ever played competitive Yu-Gi-Oh? At least 5 different times in the last 20 years a single set release has changed the entire face of the game. Making everything released before totally irrelevant. And this is in a game with no set rotation.

@@GeneralNickles yep

Well, this is in a mobile gacha game. On release, 6k damage on a single turn was only achievable in 1 turn by 1 character that required setup and had serious weaknesses. Current meta, 1.5years later. 30k in a turn can be done by a few characters and those who can't do above 20k is useless. JP server, about 8 months ahead have some that can do 100k and above. The game is generous with free stuff and they buff old units though so it's possible to keep up as a free player

It was a creep for a while and now it’s not imo

A lot of the trainers should still be pretty good.

play mr mime, new mons can't touchem lol

Ik a pokemon that can beat all pokemon...... cyber end dragon

@@tomgreenwald6112 give it a couple more years, we're getting there

r ampant can’t wait to have my 9087 hp stunfisk.

Good ol jigglybutt

I have, in my room right now, a 50000 hp haxorus. I cant believe theres a pokemon that can time travel that isnt legendary!

I got a 76000 hp piplip

VX?

You forgot tag team GX

Supgamer It a possibly

Dippy Fresh Oh right!!!!

What about 5X's?

I wonder if there are more Pokémon that are the crippled copy of Pikachu, or more types of Kuriboh

sm4sh Mr. Dr My Chansey card has 400,000 HP. Weird...

@@melodywawichi802 my wurmple can beat your chansey because it has shadow punch for 350,000,000

My magicarp's revenge attack does 1 000 000 000 damage

i LOVE poke'mon. Agumon is my favorate.

I stilk have my pack of 300000 HP bootleg Starlys 😂 step it up, peons

Too bad we can't get pokemon with an HP that doesn't end with 0, *I WANTED THAT 69 HP TENTACRUEL*

Blazekin would be better

you mean oddish & galarian weezing tag team

I hate the fact I read this

@@pegasoz1024 Just wait until the power creep gets to the point that Tentacruel can have 690 HP.

@Luke yeet how would you know that

@@Comic3665 easy, he came from the future... dun dun duuuuun!!!

It's Reshiram and JustinRPG.

o kawaii koto.

Imagine it being a jumbo card

ROFL

Cherrim blossom and joyous deerling

Me in 2005: Ugggh, I got OTKed by a cyber twin dragon power bond player. How is that even balanced? Me in 2008: Uuuuuugh Gladbeasts are such a pain: I can't bottomless the bestiari and then they always go into gyzarus. I can't play any backrow and can't reach my torrential because it's limited how is this fair? Me in 2017: Why is zoodiac allowed to outright destroy my stuff before I can even use it? And how am I supposed to get past master peace?! Me in 2018: Oh good! Another Firewall FTK! Remember when going second didn't mean outright losing before even drawing?! Me in 2019: STOP! STOP! You have 3 negates on board already! I concede! *continues putting more negates on board* Me staring at the framed picture of nibiru: Sooooooooooon!

Mtg youtubers: power creep? 😆 we were broken from the beginning.

I'm Hungry you are the goat for that comment lmaoooo edit: the yugioh players in this thread are probably smarter than the ones on actual yugi content.

Isn't that a jumbo

@@canakman07 Yes but it should have gotten at least a mention.

I have a Jumbo Raikou, Entei and Suicune with 500HP that does 1000 damage

Its 2 actually

@@poketdoom I'm afraid of calling this a whoosh

@@averagechannelname9969 Wooooosh. There. I did it for you. :)

"When this pokemon is knocked out, your opponent can take a card out of your wallet"

Gaburaisu Knakrack XD

Black eyes chard dragon! BLAST BURN!

They've already powercrept the all-powerful Mokey Mokey! What's next? Flame Viper??!

Awwwwwwww cute unaware of YGO power creep

@@Madslav398 It's really always been more about the Effects than the stats. If a Yugioh card has a certain protection or negation effect and is consistently easy to bring onto the field, then it'll powercreep world-beaters instantly.

If only you knew

@Empor ! that's the joke

@Empor ! r/whoosh

Now Magikarp have 2,000 hp witch is mediocre .

shudderwock: my claws that catch, my jaws that bites me: *watches 10 mins of animation*

*Hysterically pays -800 in Duelist Alliance format* But seriously, we went from Normal Summon Myrmeleo set 2 pass being meta defining, to going +3 with Shaddoll fusion with 1 set lol

@@sigurdvickery3523 no way traptrix were meta. Im not sure if this is a joke because even volcanics topped tournaments at one point though.

Thousand-Eyes Idol would like a word with you.

Bruh 1 yugioh card can break the game

Yu-Gi-Oh will just keep improving to. Stupid

Xx_Timothy_xX r/whoosh

@@lilwewe_9038 shut up stupid. No way Pokemon cards can match yu gi oh it's a whole another thing, stupid piece of crap

*Pokémon Company. Nintendo don't make anything related to Pokémon.

The year is 3000. The Pokemon Company has released a brand new pack of cards costing more than a house. The cards can not be knocked out and do 1000 damage for each time you have breathed in your lifetime. Yes.... it’s a wailord.

*2021

You need to specify how much energy that 400 attack requires. I think 2 might be a bit too expensive, so I'm guessing 1.

@@cutecommie 0. The other attack that does 600+ 100 for each energy attached need 1 thou

It used to be that those 200+ HP cards had some sort of drawback or were hard to use/put on the board. now it's just, play a basic card with 300 HP and there ya go lol, have fun! idk, seems like they're letting power creep get a little out of control.

Yeah, this thing tho is that these cards give more prizes. Non-EX decks are still viable since they only give one prize per monster, and some decks are way too creative and good without any big cards. So, I've liked the HP creep since if you figure how to knock them out, you really have a blast at winning,.

I remember when Salamance Ex was crazy with 160 hp - and Wailord Ex had the highest with 200 hp

@@letsgetsomeshoes1239 they still have a draw back, as knocking out one takes half you overall health basically, take out two and it's game over.

The meta right now has 4-5 tier 1 decks, and a wide base of tier 2 decks. It's actually in a very healthy place.

Haha I have a 400hp metapod misprint card

@@crayolarat5709 no joke that probably worth over 150 bucks

@@BidenGD its from HG&SS so i guess

There is a real 500hp card

It will likely be 575 or 600 by then

8 Prize cards? Haha both players just lose prize cards?

Still waiting for the day that a Pokemoncard defeats my BlueEyes White Dragon with 3k Attack

It is going to happen.

Same. Though I have experienced powercreep in Hearthstone.

I love hearing about other games in this fashion.

those game are made to make money, and only money. So they just need to keep adding new and better card to force people to buy them and people are ok with it, juding by the amount of people playing pokemon card game , yu-gi-oh , etc

@@MegaLezaford But these buffs are just unfair

I don't even watch KZfaq, but find this comment interesting.

I'm feeling this hard right now. I have a bunch of early SuMo decks that were GOOD back then that just aren't holding up at all. Even the things that take setup like my Necrozma + Metagross deck are all 2KOS now.

Eragonnogare imagine yu gi oh at that many years later

@@jamuellasmith290 Well, the power creep in YuGiOh is mostly in the effectiveness of card effects, especially in protection against destruction type effects, and also a general increase in complexity. The actual numbers on the cards haven't increased that much over time since the goal is to deal damage to the opponent's pool of life points rather then defeat enemy monsters, this meaning that if they kept raising attack points then the game would become unbalanced much more easily since the goal amount of damage to do stays the same, unlike in pokemon where defeating the other monsters is the only real main goal.

Eragonnogare I don’t think he was talking about star numbers. Just how much that game will have evolved during that time period.

I remember having house rules for paying Yu-Gi-Oh monsters in Pokemon, or Pokemon in yogioh... Huh, now we wouldn't need the house rules

Can't wait for the time we count the HP in powers of ten.

😂🤣

This made me laugh way more than it should've. Seriously, I'm not even kidding. Here, take some cheap gold for your troubles since gilding is only really on Reddit. 🏅

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

ABmutes bro you jut predicted the future

ChandSlam 2436 0019 1049 2061 is my hp and my attack is 637. Take that weakling

HECK YES

Didn't they bring Shadow Pokemon into Pokemon Go..sort of?

Magitek1112 nah, no shadow moves or overpowered type advantages.

Hard agree. It always annoyed me how the cards I grew up with are complete garbage now because TPC doesn't understand how to run a TCG.

Yeah now it’s like who can have the best GX cards.I feel like EX were pretty balanced back then

No, me too. It's actually disgusting, you compare old cards with new ones and it's a no contest power-wise.

Have you not seen the comments to the reveal/teaser video?!?!

Unfortunately the ptcg community claims too little about this and have no idea how this can make a huge damage in the game itself.

can't chansey learn surf?

Tom Tinker but she cant learn dive my friend. Once she learns that we will truly have something to worry about

@@goofballjim6167 curses, foiled again.

GoofBall Jim ,

@@thefourthdimension2915 ,

I had the exact opposite experience, it was the very last card I collected, had to buy it for $50. But I completed the entire first 3 generations. It's all still stored inside a binder the size of a file cabinet in one of my closets.

*ends up being Shedinja somehow*

We don't know if that V-card is a basic. I'm guessing it's a VMAX card that was leaked in one of the V legendaries' abilities

V Pokemon are almost certainly Dynamax/Gigantamax and won't be basics, probably more like Breaks. Also the basics now that have 200+ give up 3 prizes instead of one.

Ten years is a long time though. And 23 or what the total lifespan is up to now is (obviously) even longer. Would be near impossible to keep interest up without some kind of evolution of the game that would make older cards less useful.

Honestly at some point prize cards with these heavy hitters dont matter anymore. Sure you get 3 cards but what if the opponeet only plays one ttgx? You still have 2 more gx to knock out to win which makes the ttgx equal to gx in prices

put in the context man the max Hp go from 200-ish of 2017 and now maybe 330 at least tht 100 hp in 2 year

OMG POOKA 😭😭😭😭😭😭

Tristan R. Hearthstone wants to know your location

YGO stats for "basic" cards are still ATK 2000, level 4 lower normal summon. This never changed.

@@fakescorpion112 sure, but instead you got lv 4 monsters that bring out 2500 monsters when summoned. Seriously, if you cannot bring out three high level monsters with insane effects on turn 1 today, youre playing it wrong.

@@fakescorpion112 yes the stats are more a less the same but the effects and combos get crazier everyyear and those are things you wouldnt understand if you just see one card in isolation. Also stats and atk stats are irrelevant these days

@@fakescorpion112 also yea people dont normal summon anymore I mean the dont since the 5ds era with blackwings which was when? 10years ago?

*NINTENDO WANTS TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*

Tesoros de Tinkertown no

Well it has the most health out of all pokemon in the video games, plus whales are huge in the wild. Kind amake sense to me.

@@NamelessViking01 That's not true. Blissey has the most HP in the video games.

*Wailord is mega angry*

Joshua Wood blissey has horrible defense tho

And now you have the power of dynamax for a 400 hp wailord !

I love ur comment omg. But please edit go even further beyond.

@@Devil-Speed8 is that better?

@@patrickdees5256 now thats a classic meme. Thanks it was bothering me a bit

This is my 120 hp, my regular form. This is my 120 hp 2. And this is what I like to call 120 hp above a 120 hp!

Wailord is going Super Sayain

I quit a long while ago... I hated how most triple evolutions are just bad to play because they're instantly outclassed by EXs. Triple evos were just delegated to merely supporting EXs and that just rubbed me the wrong way. Everything I've seen since then reinforces that sentiment

The TCG was mildly fun back in 2011, before Next Destinies. EXs ruined everything though. I'd also be equally happy with the original 3 base sets and some promo cards, why change what works just fine?

@@KCzz15 Actually when Jwittz was talking about the old cards my first thought was wishing I was playing back then. The art was incredible. I've played old worlds formats with a friend and it was very evolution heavy, unlike now.

Yeah. What's the point of even having evolution to get stronger mons when you can just slap down an absurdly powerful card down turn one? Poor dudes need to have a busted ability for even the chance of being viable.

it's why I am thinking about giving up, but then I see the art and see new cards and just want to try new strategies. But yeah, stage 2s just useless and it's horrible. It's just like "what is the f***** point in having these cards" and the larger sets making everything harder to get is so sneaky

They also share prizes. Two for zekrom gx one for Pikachu

V Rattata: AMATEURS

Why was this so funny when I dont even know the context fully 😂

@@Justin163 V Pidgey: WHAT WAS THAT, PUNK!?

I’d love to see that!

Slowpoke and Psyduck TAG TEAM.

Most of Tag Team GX are both tank and huge damage dealers. It should have at least 4 prize

@@alphu5 No! You clearly don't play the game!

@@alphu5 That would accomplish nothing seeing as it remains 2 KOs to win the game. All it really does is enable sniping GXs for game, which is a fairly niche situation.

A boss level

I have cards like that, possibly print errors but my highest is a chancy with 740 hp

@@Roman-eb9jt Pft! So no Magnetite at 1000HP or a 1200HP Steelix that did 100 x H damage?

They already made a 500hp card lmao

True only a habdful of ttgx are actually good and with those being especially good the rest is just for fun

What was it? And what garchomp?

The garchomp that just came outs still 150hp and is great lol

The mach cut garchomp. But yea that's the point. The new one is great because of powercreep

@@Akrna47 in standard the new one is actually pretty bad.

Also pokémon cards aren't made to be mixed , each new set is a new card game .

Same for me also! Also now I want to go get some packs of the first set...

Keaton Kitsune Me too, I really want to beat my friends in a game with my Dewgong.

@@linearmetroidvania888 Dewgong best boi in the Gameboy game! I had one in my deck all the way through to the end :)

Kitten Mitten94 80 hp, 50 damage with 3 energies, in the first decks. Fair and balanced

Absolutely! As long as you can pull the right cards for him

Well, at least it's not as big as the one in YGO.

Because TPC want us to buy permanentely their products. Their business vision is to force the customer to constantly buy the newer sets and not to play with older cards. Even thinking about Expanded, will be a time that we need to take out the older cards and play with the newer ones.

Wizards of the Coast has learned from this problem far earlier this happened and, even with some issues, their design still makes older cards relevant, and Magic also have so many fun formats. This form os business is better and can make more money because they're not putting all the eggs in one basket and the community can become permanentely sticky with the game.