It does seem massively risky Mythic selling those bundles. If a backer who hadn't paid the ransom just ordered it, then charged back on their credit card saying it never arrived, and just claimed the copy that did arrive was their crowdfunded copy... I can't see Mythic having a leg to stand on honestly.

Off topic but any insight why cmon postponed their Zombicide “Plague-bearer” last minute. Their reasoning seems a little suspect.

Rainbow Six Siege could be the best board game ever made, I wouldn't buy it from Mythic Games. they already more money from me than they deserve, since I bought the all-in for Anastyr that will never arrive. This game, plus my bad experience with Limbo: Eternal War, has pushed me out of crowd funding games. if I have to spend a little more when they get a full release, buying from a store or backer who no longer wants it, I'll do that. and sometimes, you get amazing deals that way! I got the all in for Massive Darkness 1 and 2 for 200 bucks a month ago. that would have cost me well over 600 if I had backed both games.

Getting the item cheaper later on happens at retail as well. I have picked up multiple games at 75-90% off. Clearance happens in most industries. If a business closes it’s pretty much guaranteed. Crowd funding to me is more about the wait and the initial risk of it not being made at all. Without exclusives or the game having no plans to go to retail there is no reason to back. I think a lot of people, myself included, have backed more than they should have and not tabled items enough for the retail discounts to not feel bad.

I think Game Brewer probably wanted to keep their good reputation by ordering the minimum of even under funded games to make sure backers were taken care of first. Maybe not the best financial decisions but you gotta pick one. Can’t have your cake and eat it too with struggling companies. They either care about backers or surviving. Can’t be both in that situation.

Still waiting for my Mythic KS "Darkest Dungeon", will they ever deliver? And yes, I paid the ransom. Their last update was in February.

Preordered Solomon Kane from Mythic > 2 years ago… I’ve received nada!

Date for KoA campaign drawing?

They screwed up for doing a perfect scam with that game table. If they never had any pictures that would show actual scale, then they could have shipped a tiny 28mm scale table for use in games. I agree with you that it almost has to be a scam.

I'm pretty sad to hear about Game Brewer. I loved Oak, and am looking forward to Bone Wars (which should deliver as its already in production and on sale on their website). Sounds like they never fully recovered from the pandemic hit and the 2 games with poor production quality.

I was about to buy 6 Siege from their sale but ended up just getting a used “open box” Trooper Pledge off of Mercari. Tracking says it’ll be here Wednesday.

Got the 6 core box. Waiting for the inevitable fire sale for the maps. I remembered having fomo for the steam watchers stuff when it went on sale but now I see it in used game shops. So I’m being patient and just glad not to have an all in to paint.

I live in Canada and have had to back off my KS habit because of shipping costs. I have all of Mythic Battles Pantheon and Ragnarok, but am only in for $1 for Isfet because I can't guarantee I'll be able to afford the shipping as it always changes between the campaign and the final price. For me, shipping fees eat up any and all savings I might have made through backing a project. Any game that I know will be available after KS/Gamefound funding I now wait until it's commercially available because I will be saving all those shipping fees. You seemed a little down in this video, man. Hope things are going well.

I paid nearly 1500 Australian dollars all up for my 6 Siege as a backer. It's a fun game but but 1500 worth of fun, and to see excess copies so cheap that I paid to have manufactured infuriates me. I've ceased backing anything, I'm just waiting for anything I've backed to deliver and strongly feel the crowdfunding games industry needs to collapse and not come back. There are games that wouldn't exist as you pointed out, but also there would far fewer exploited consumers. These game companies deserve to be held financially responsible and suffer real-world financial consequences, I don't agree with people giving Leo death threats but I also don't agree with him waving it around like a shield against criticism. I hope they suffer very serious very real consequences and their future employment prospects are harmed by the mismanagement of funds and trust.

You tempted me with 6 Siege comments, but I successfully rolled to deny the temptation. It may be really good, but I don't think I'd ever get it to the table. Needs at least 2 players and we are more of coop players. Mythic Games other games have really great production quality and all that. I hope people buy it so they can produce and we can get the other games that were backed.

I ordered some stuff when the overstock shop opened up 8 weeks ago and ive gotten nothing.

The first kickstarter I backed was Table of Ultimate Gaming. I was very fortunate to actually get my table, but that project could have kept me from even doing it again.

I do get your point about the way GameBrewer handles the sale BUT I do think they did it in a good way. If you backed games from them you probably don't revuy them again but fill your collection with rhe missing titles - regardless of the subscription stuff. Why should I even subscribe a company?! That's more interesting than the couple percentage advantage 😅

If the incidence of scams and non=delivery gets high enough that people stop backing, Kickstarter will start to care. Also, if a court takes notice of the Kickstarter business model (the "rewards are not guaranteed" verbiage) they will care then, not until then though. They are like a casino. People scuttle in, leave their money, and scuttle off. The only difference is that Kickstarter gives you the opportunity to participate in the grand social experiment of posting comments and assuming anyone is listening.

The Mythic Games store site claims $50 off if you buy $150 or more and a surprise gift at checkout. I’m sitting on the checkout page and don’t see either. Is that the surprise?

I am personally slowing down. I am favoring STL file type games. I am worried that I will never get my robotech game that i backed. If not for the failure of the last few games by Mythic they would have been one of the few I would have still backed. Now I am being very very cagey on what I back anymore.

Backers do seem to get the shaft with regards to crowdfunding. Backers interaction with a company through crowdfunding is transactional in nature but they are taking risk in the production and company as if they were an investor. It's like investing stocks in apple with the hope of eventually getting a new laptop. But since the laptop doesn't exist at the time of placing your order your have no guarantee other than promises made by the company that you'll someday get it. It seems the more savvy people become with this kind of relationship the more they realize that often the risk isn't worth the possible reward. Some companies do it well but I feel like a lot of them don't. Mix in a few that are out right scams and it can leave a bad taste in any backer's mouth.

I am seeing this sale thing more often lately. Because of a Pegasus sale I was able to get the complete Etherfields all in for 140€ incl. all stretch goals which is ridiculous

Im in the never back again club. Its not worth it or fun.

The problem is with 6 Siege, when they did the ransom they said they are only making enough for the people who paid. Yet they have a bunch to sell on their store. So did the people who paid pay for this stock as well as their own pledge? Even if not, there are a bunch of backers who have already paid for this game (and VAT and shipping). Mythic are just scum. I expected this to happen, which is why I didn't pay the ransom and won't be buying from Mythic.

It's always a joy to see mythic games selling bundles while I'm still waiting my hundreds dollars worth refound (which I'll nevere get off course)

partially for the algorithm, partially to mention that i did order darkest dungeon from one of mythics % sales with some extra stuff and got it no problem (and its also a really good game).

If you already backed all 20 of games projects, what is there left to buy?

Hear hear to deep discounts, and add 1st edition backers JUST getting their games and being hit with paid add-on 'errata' packs on a reprint campaign that fixes/updates the game. Factoring in the the cost of the pack plus another round of shipping is often a lot more than a newcomer backing the reprint with an already fixed game.

So is mythic tribg to sell seige6 of under the cost of kickstarter prices, like DD. Strange they tell backers they need to pay more because costs have skyrocketed but then will sell the game cheaper.

P.T. Barnum said it best, "There's a sucker born every minute."

Just a warning: people are reporting issues getting their orders from the Mythic store. I got mine (ordered the remaining year expansions to complete my KS pledge back when the store first went online), but others were not so fortunate, and haven't received their orders made as far back as april, yet. Shame, the game is unarguably great, its fate is one of the big tragedies of board game publishing imo.

Well, to no one's surprise on the "table." Perhaps I am petty, but I would let KS know, again, on the update with a snarky little "told you so." And when the table folds, pun intended, ask them what they are doing to ensure integrity. But, I have no platform so they'd just ignore me. Then again, KS has ALWAYS been that way. They don't care if something doesn't pan out. Yes, it is part of the risk of new starts and why honest people NEED CF-ing, but when something was so obviously false, how could they allow it to go through?

I'll bet that Mythic are still making a profit on $370. There's a reason that they picked that price, and it's probably the lowest that they are willing to go without losing money.

Uh...not really a sale unless you are comparing it to 3rd party price gouging or buying individually on MG eshop. That all-in is basically the Trooper pledge. With my original Trooper pledge and the contribution ask, it is almost the same amount that MG is selling on their eshop at $370 right now. Since you never paid the contribution to receive your pledge, it is understandable that you didn't know how much you would have to pay.

What really sucks is not getting refund for 6 Siege after they tried to get more money than my original pledge yet they have a bunch for sale. Trash company.

Mythic won't see another $ from me after DD ransoms, and wasted money for Hel and Anastyr.

Any news about wave 2 Darkest dungeon?

Ppl need to stop complaining about paying more during the campaign ... u got ur high on the fomo .. Litterally 99% of games released u could get cheaper than backing about 6 months after delivery ... This is why i stopped backing stuff, if i think i will like a game pick it up later at less of a cost

Although I've already paid 2 ransoms for Darkest Dungeon, I think I would even pay the 3rd one to finally get the rest of the expansions. I really really want them and want Mythic Games to be a thing of the past finally. Oh, wait, I'm a backer of Hel.. let's see what CMON will come up with, LOL.

I don't care about Rainbow Six Siege. I care about whether wave 2 of Darkest Dungeon does or does not deliver. I'm not going to buy something that I do not want to marginally increase the chance of something that I already paid for by an infinitesimally small amount. I've pretty much given up on Hel at this point but if CMON's consolation prize seems worthy enough I might plump for it.

So sad, Game Brewer was one of my absolute favorite publishers. They delivered their games, as promised and I don't own a single one that doesn't hit the table frequently.

I got some Runewars minis to add to Zombicide

I'm so sad I didn't see this before I backed it I lost so much money 😞

Do you think the Mythic Games sales revenue will help fund outstanding projects... or just "keep the lights on" and move out "deadstock"? I guess I am not that hopeful for delivering second wave Darkest Dungeon. Alas..

Most of the people getting the Mythic sale isn't going to see their game lol. IIRC that's what the case with their latest DD sale as well

ive said this many times. backers ARE NOT valued as they should be. theyre simply not. need proof? every company tells you how theyre different because they value you. how they will be the ones to appreciate your business and faith. not that other company, them. theyre saying the quiet part out loud. they know how much cheaper they sell these games to retailers. they know how much theyll make on their webstore. they know its marketing bs. only the smallest teams really appreciate it, and theyre likely not in a position to truly show it. these companies with teams of artists, marketers, designers, managers, and videos showing them off at the end of campaigns......arent broke. backers are mostly foolish. their favorite companies are likely the worst offenders in terms of exploiting their fans for max profit while offering huge discounts to other companies who also want in on profiting from your business. thats how thankful and appreciative they really are. when you can very often get your game cheaper, sooner, and without risk from a 3rd party than by directly supporting the creation of the game, it kind of outlines the severity of the problem. numbers dont lie.

How is anyone still backing on kickstarter? Has anyone stopped to ponder why these games are several hundred dollars? Are they really getting to the table? Plus the incidents of non-delivery and scams are getting worse and worse.

Any DD carton boys hanging out?

Big fan mate, not sure how I feel about you mentioning mythic sale. Even though its cheap, it just feels like your promoting Mythic when they shouldn't get any airtime.

Mythic nos vio la cara a todos, con su campaña, con su pago de rescate que MUCHOS weyes apoyaron y justificaron! Ojala asi fuera todo en la vida! hahaha Desde aqui les mando un saludo fraternal a la progenitora de TODOS los involucrados en el juego de 6:Siege... TODOS! Junto con un boletito al rancho de mi presidente tambien hahahaha cabrownes!! Saludos!!

Being upset that a reprint is cheaper is like having paid off your student loans and being upset about student loan forgiveness - now if the initial retail launch is cheaper that's another thing entirely.