Spoken Language Fluency: Don't Forget These Important Elements

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Robin MacPherson

Robin MacPherson

2 жыл бұрын

I had a great question on my Secret Language Podcast that led me to discuss what I think might be some of the most forgotten or overlooked elements of developing well-rounded, spoken fluency in a foreign language.
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@bzylarisa
@bzylarisa 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Intonation and rhythm are sooo important. When I do any exercises that contains audio, I try to speak alound whild doing it, but I try to imitate everything. At the beginner level I might struggle with accents, so I might focus more on accents but after a while, I try to imitate all the intonations and rhythm.
@RobinMacPhersonFilms
@RobinMacPhersonFilms 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad this resonated with you and how you practice! I am the same - in the beginning there is so much to focus on so it's difficult to really "zoom in" and focus on some of these things in great detail, but as we progress and get the hang of things, it becomes easier to shift our focus and develop things like our intonation, rhythm, and word stress.
@solea59
@solea59 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Robin. I think it's very much a case of " noticing " as Steve Kaufman says. It's ok having all the materials to build a house but not using them correctly. Time spent at the start getting pronunciation correct is paramount. That's why listening is so important. We should give our brains more credit for remembering. My advice is to take it slow. We will never know our target language completely so why the panic ?
@user-bm1vs7zt9h
@user-bm1vs7zt9h 10 ай бұрын
Just found out my problem😅 thank you very much!
@jazzyeric21
@jazzyeric21 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with everything here. My target language is Brazilian Portuguese and spend a good amount of time in Brazil (I'm American). My fiancée is a non-English speaking Brazilian. Sometimes when speaking I have no doubt that I'm using the right words but can have difficulty to be understood by native speakers. I was talking to an English teacher in Brazil about this and he said that often the listener is simply lazy. There are not many Foreign Portuguese speakers in Brazil particularly away from tourist areas and they simply are not accustomed to hear their language spoken with a foreign accent. They don't want to have to really listen. Sometimes I will say something and they will look confused and turn to my fiancée to "translate" and she simply says the exact same thing using the exact same words and they immediately understand. I recently got a bit angry with a friend who did this and said, hey talk to me, not her (in Portuguese). She was shocked. But, afterward during that same conversation, she actually listened and understood every word that I said without any difficulty.
@evalinacesarcassule5097
@evalinacesarcassule5097 Жыл бұрын
Brazilian is a nationality. PORTUGUESE is the language. For someone who's trying to learn Portuguese, you should know that much by now. And doesn't exist "Brazilian Portuguese". It's just Portuguese.
@morighani
@morighani Жыл бұрын
@@evalinacesarcassule5097 you clearly do not know what you’re talking about. I’m brazilian and you’re incorrect. Portuguese is spoken in Portugal and Brazil. Yes, it’s the same “language”, but they’re very different and speakers from either place have difficulty understanding the other. That is why in most media the portuguese option is called “Brazilian Portuguese” instead of just portuguese, because Portugal Portuguese has a very different way of pronunciation and terms in general, even grammar. Brazil has a higher population and that’s why our version is used by default. When non portuguese speakers want to learn specifically to visit Brazil, they need to be learning BRAZILIAN PORTUGUESE because absolutely no one in brazil will understand them if they try speaking the Portugal way especially as a non native speaker where the foreign accent will get in the way, since we already have difficulty understanding even brazilian portuguese in a foreign accent.
@imnalisha
@imnalisha 7 ай бұрын
No, there IS Brazilian Portuguese just as there is Quebec French, British English, American English, Indian English, Taiwanese Mandarin, Mexican Spanish etc...
@kellysweet6765
@kellysweet6765 2 жыл бұрын
When I was in French Immersion, I had difficulties pronouncing my "R" s as well. The instructor got me to ROAR like a lion in the mirror and now my "R" s are fantastic! Or try being a pirate lol "Arrrgh"
@timothydouglas9474
@timothydouglas9474 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Robin, many thanks for talking thoughtfully and insightfully about things that aren't discussed enough! (Not just in this video, but in all your videos, in general)
@user-xl2rl8xm9d
@user-xl2rl8xm9d 2 жыл бұрын
For me, as an Italian person, it's incredibly difficult to manage my intonation while speaking English (with all those ups and downs). Sometimes I find myself listening to the audio messages I send to my friends (English speakers) and I feel sorry for them because I sound sooooo boring. Do you have any advice? Shadowing? How could I do?
@RobinMacPhersonFilms
@RobinMacPhersonFilms 2 жыл бұрын
Heyyy @c c 😄 I think that in your situation, the best thing to do would be to start small and work from there. It can be a lot to try and focus on a whole sentence in the beginning, so perhaps find some words that you find challenging in this regard and start with those. Even simply the word "Italian" - where do you put the word stress? Then work out to very short sentences like "I'm from Italy" and "I'm Italian" - notice how the stress changes from It*a*lian to *I*taly, how about the first two words? Are you mimicking the overall rhythm? Even simply using short sentences like that but a nice variety of them can take you a LONG way in improving, and then once you get comfortable with this you can use longer sentences, you could do some "shadowing" with a real focus and emphasis on these elements, and even practice with your English-speaking friends you mentioned. Simply ask them to point out a few places in your audio messages where this occurs. I hope that's helpful, YOU CAN DO IT! 💪🏼🔥 Buon lavoro 😄
@NaturalLanguageLearning
@NaturalLanguageLearning 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, shadowing will help you a lot. Do plenty of it, with native speakers you want to sound like.
@tullochgorum6323
@tullochgorum6323 Жыл бұрын
As a musician, I can say that there is a big gap between *thinking* you are listening and *really* listening. Listening is a proactive, effortful activity. So as Robin says, listen to short, simple sentences and really listen for the shape of each word. Then listen to the prosody of the sentence as a whole. You can copy what Assimil do in their courses, and draw a wavy line over the words and over the sentence to diagram where the pitch and emphasis goes up and down. Then really listen to yourself as you attempt to imitate what you have heard. By far the best way is to record yourself. You won't like what you hear at first, but it will get better! As an English speaker I have the opposite problem in Italian, trying to learn not to elide my vowels and produce that pure Italian sound. So I understand the challenge!
@rollingdownfalling
@rollingdownfalling 2 жыл бұрын
For me as a learner, I tend to nail the pronunciation, rhythm and the intonation first (i.e at A0 level). And when I delve deeper into the language, I tend to pay less attention to the pattern of pronunciation when learning an expression so I can focus more on other aspects. But I am terrible (still) at the syntax of my current target language which throws my target audience off speaking to person, because they cannot understand what I am talking about due to the fact that I tend to struggle with string up different components of the sentence together. I can so resonate with you when you're trying to complete a sentence in Mandarin, as I am really struggling with German and constantly need to tell myself to keep moving forward.
@dmanakell
@dmanakell 2 жыл бұрын
I've noticed that those native speakers who struggle the most with that are the once who haven't even left the country, even on vacation
@arisekraken0123
@arisekraken0123 2 жыл бұрын
Very good info/thoughts, thanks!
@ALEX-ft8bk
@ALEX-ft8bk Жыл бұрын
Now I want to improve my listening skills in English but at first it's very hard coz it's very fast and I can't understand everything U speak but I hope I will get used to it
@vanessappp5672
@vanessappp5672 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! I watch all your videos but never write comments! I love your channel ! Could you please explain how to do that? I don't know how to be aware of my rhythm! I mean, how can I fix something that I can't be aware of, right? I would like to know exactly how to fix this. I already watched lots of videos about this subject but in the end, I always thought that those who master this, have some talent for languages (im not saying that they don't work to improve that). I live in the USA, but I am from Brazil. I can read, write and understand very well, but it is difficult when I need to talk. It's so frustrating... God bless your weekend! Thanks for your videos 🙏✨😊
@kerstinklingelhoeffer6759
@kerstinklingelhoeffer6759 2 жыл бұрын
I am of the same opinion. But wird choice is Essential, too. Problem is to Pick the right Register
@Maya79800
@Maya79800 2 жыл бұрын
good topic. Rarely mentioned although
@jingnil5025
@jingnil5025 2 жыл бұрын
Can't agree more
@poohoff
@poohoff 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my God thank you for the Russian ЫЫЫ it was hilariously accurate :)
@amiraalqaramany5279
@amiraalqaramany5279 2 жыл бұрын
keep up great one I just have started learn English and Ifind it difficult with accent and Ihad searched for along time to find you I am an arabian so my english is bad ....
@TheESMAT07
@TheESMAT07 2 жыл бұрын
I hope there is a livestream tomorrow
@RobinMacPhersonFilms
@RobinMacPhersonFilms 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Sam! The weekly live streams normally happen when the Multilingual Book Club is in session. Round 03 ended a few weeks ago and the next one will be starting around December 1st, final details coming next week 😄
@TheESMAT07
@TheESMAT07 2 жыл бұрын
@@RobinMacPhersonFilms Thanks, I am looking forward to it!
@horatiu6536
@horatiu6536 2 жыл бұрын
Where in the United Kingdom are you from? You pronounce the Rs. I’m interested in British English and I’d like to know if you have some specific British accent. Thanks.
@RobinMacPhersonFilms
@RobinMacPhersonFilms 2 жыл бұрын
I'm originally from the West Midlands, but my hybridised accent comes from my long story of living in different countries, particularly the U.S. 😊 So my Rs in particular tend to be in the middle of the more typical British and American Rs.
@horatiu6536
@horatiu6536 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your answer! 😊
@rollingdownfalling
@rollingdownfalling 2 жыл бұрын
@@RobinMacPhersonFilms I don't get the Chinese r bit. It is virtually the same as English r. Try 'rule' which is virtually like the word 如+L, so just pronounce the first part 'ru' . If you mean 儿/兒 then it is like dog growling --> Grrrr without the 'G'. Don't imitate the Taiwanese 'er', because the younger gen pronounce r with a flat tongue which is itself a new variation of theirs. And their 只 吃 失 日, which is what we called 翘舌音, is veering away from the standard Mandarin. Judging you're only concerning Taiwanese standards, they used to have the old 3 TV channels in the 80s, 90s with standard Mandarin which is pretty accurate, but that has changed after the millennium.
@schoolingdiana9086
@schoolingdiana9086 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of light is that, @Robin MacPherson? It’s not a ring light. Not to be off-topic but visuals can be distracting (not just poor enunciation), and for those of us with glasses having to do Zoom meetings, trainings, interviews or lessons on KZfaq, it’s a concern.
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