Fedora with KDE by default? XZ backdoor fallout, German state moves to Linux

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01:34 A proposal for Fedora to leave GNOME for KDE
04:21 XZ backdoor repercussions
07:53 German state moves to Linux & FOSS
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@TheLinuxEXP Ай бұрын

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@tbhtyson Ай бұрын

just buy a used macbook and put linux on it

@Little-bird-told-me Ай бұрын

Where are you buddy. Long time no seem missing ya

@boredstudent9468 Ай бұрын

German States switching to Linux (and Back) is almost a meme at this point. Every once in a while on tries to and a couple years later they go back claiming Linux not modern enough and unsupported and it turns out they haven't updated it at all and still used something like SUSE 9

@kaishedan37 Ай бұрын

it makes me so sad every time

@aceae4210 Ай бұрын

for those who don't know the dates, suse 9 is from late 2003 (October 2003 to be exact)

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

@@aceae4210So bascially Windows XP / Windows Server 2003 in terms of age. Wow, what a half assed attempt, at best...

@decrobyron Ай бұрын

Sounds like Korean government decision making process! We do the same thing with Linux too. Go back and forth all the time.

@KCKingcollin Ай бұрын

I personally think it will be static this time, Linux has improved leaps and bounds from just a few years ago, it'll be highly unlikely they switch back again

@5Hydroxytryptophan Ай бұрын

Just some casual conspiracy theory: Munich changed back to Windows after using Linux since 2006. Not because it hadn't worked out for them, but because Microsoft moved their europe headquarter to Munich. Also the leading official of the city / capitol of the state is the sister of a women in a leading position at Microsoft.

@Thorned_Rose Ай бұрын

I don't think that's a Conspiracy Theory as much as a realistic view of how capitalism and corporations work.

@zinoubensalah8939 Ай бұрын

it's not as conspiratorial as you think.

@Reliktish Ай бұрын

a Bündniss 90 politician had also a voice in that with "Der Pinguin muss weg"

@5Hydroxytryptophan Ай бұрын

@@Reliktish The funny thing is: The newly elected rot-grüne Stadtregierung stated, they would go back to open source. They did not, but quite the opposite. One could say that shows a pattern how "die Grünen" act, as a pacifist party that LOVES war, an anti-CO2 party that LOVES LMG gas and an anti nuclear energy party that calls nuclear energy environment friendly.

@AIC_onyt Ай бұрын

@@Thorned_Rose >its le capitalism it would be more effective to use Foss as its basically free and more secure. That has nothing to do with capitalism. its just blatant corruption. If they were actually working by capitalist profit intensives they would use Linux just like literally every major cooperation does. Windows is literally just a IT to Normal Employee translation layer. If Linux can mimic the appearance and functions of windows, windows is basically useless. It literally only exists because of people who don't want to learn anything else

@Cobinja Ай бұрын

I'm from Kiel, the state capitol of Schleswig-Holstein. On the one hand I love that switch. On the other hand, after Munich switched to Linux, Microsoft moved their german HQ to Munich. Munich has since switched back to Windows. I don't want Microsoft Germany's HQ in my hometown. 😅

@larseich5796 Ай бұрын

I don't know. Switch to Linux and you'll see big investments from a big tech company in your state might make for a very good pitch to make to politicians.

@Silverflame1 Ай бұрын

It's funny that the post above you mentions the exact same thing but also included some sister links between a leading official of the city/capitol and a leading position at Microsoft.

@axeldewater9491 Ай бұрын

@@Silverflame1 r/whooosh that's his whole point, he's ironically referring to that

@macaldente Ай бұрын

It is well known that the mayor of Munich offered Microsoft a brilliant square of building plot to move their headquarters from the ourskirts to downtown and offered tax reductions. Microsoft reacted with a nice rebate on their products - and accepted the generous offer. It was nothing else that the biggest corruption case in Germany in the recent 10 years - but hardly anybody complained or even noticed. Pure corruption on highest level. And the press was as silent as I have never noticed before.

@F_Around_and_find_out Ай бұрын

German should support homegrown SUSE Linux, give those good folks some grants and keep them in peak conditions for years to come. Needs less dependencies on USA Big Tech.

@Alexander-ix2jp Ай бұрын

Been saying that for years, absolutely agree. Can't stop the Suse! 👍🏻 🍻 Suse and maybe also Manjaro and Tuxedo. All three based in Germany.

@williamhansen9456 Ай бұрын

@@Alexander-ix2jp Tuxedo and SUSE are both great choices, but they should stay far away from Manjaro.

@salatwehr4099 Ай бұрын

I think Debian should be the best choice for a government

@VitisCZ Ай бұрын

Some time ago I've temporarily tried SUSE out of curiosity and i must say it is REALLY polished. For non tech users it's definitely very usable distro which handles nearly everything through a GUI. It even setup nvidia prime on my old laptop completely automatically(it's really old nvidia + intel gpu so prime is a huge pain to setup actually)

@mgord9518 Ай бұрын

I know it has a practically zero chance of happening, but NixOS would be an interesting choice, assuming it's properly configured. Easy deployment, automatic installation of any necessary software, easy resets, etc.

@ksw8514 Ай бұрын

I think the main problem when public institutions attempt to switch to FOSS is that they only do so as a cost-saving measure. But the main benefit for them would actually be that it gives them more flexibility to tailor the software to their needs. I think if they spent at least part of the saved license fees on developers who can contribute missing features upstream, projects like this would have a much higher success rate. They could also collaborate with similar institutions on specialized Linux distros, since there has to be a lot of overlap in the features they need. In other words, I think they'd have to change their approach from being just customers towards active participation in the ecosystem. Then they can actually realize the potential of FOSS for their usecase and then these problems would have more staying power.

@Komatik_ Ай бұрын

At least in this case, data ownership seems to be a motivating factor since a court said that the European Commission's use of M365 fell afoul of European data protection laws.

@bennypr0fane Ай бұрын

And the added benefit of paying for developers instead of license fees: the value stays in the country. The developers spend their salaries at home, pay their taxes at home and improve the product in a way most well-tailored to the customers'/users' needs. M$ license fees just go to a giant, tax-evading foreign monopolist that can always dictate the rules.

@a5cent 24 күн бұрын

None of these administrative institutions need that flexibility. In fact, it's the opposite. They don't want it, because flexibility always comes at the cost of complexity. What they want is standardization, consistency, stability and reliability. They just want the OS to get out of the way and never think about it, and Linux not doing that is why it constantly fails on the desktop. The Linux community simply doesn't have that mindset. The people who care about flexibility are technical people and tinkerers. They don't work in government institutions.

@sojourner4726 Ай бұрын

More EU countries should follow suit. Less American dependency the better.

@Dosenwerfer Ай бұрын

Also the fact that they don't just switch the dependency to a European provider but instead get rid of that dependency altogether, since they can contract *anyone* with maintenance and feature development on the existing codebase. Unlike Windows where you can't just ask another company to do that for you from now on.

@mgord9518 Ай бұрын

Even the US would benefit from less American big tech dependency Fucking drives me nuts when I try to do something as simple as quick printing a few documents on a computer at work and Windows decides the best course of action is opening up a separate MS Office instance for every single document, crashing the computer.

@IC3P3 Ай бұрын

It's always weird when some company or state warns to use Chinese products, but don't you dare not using propriatary American software

@michaelwright2986 Ай бұрын

It's not that it's American, it's that it's predatory. I've been looking at backup apps for Windows recently, and they're pretty much all encrypted by default. Sure, it's security; but it also means that you can't access them without the program. Same with cloud storage. Kind of mild ransomware. It looks like Stallman was right.

@KadriZA Ай бұрын

somehow I see this turn into Chinese dependency in a decade or less, as per usual

@jannikmeissner Ай бұрын

The good thing about Schleswig-Holstein moving, is that they're part of a bigger alliance for government IT, shared between Lower Saxony, Bremen, Hamburg, themselves and also Mecklenburg Vorpommern; So this could be the beginning of the entire north of Germany moving if it goes right;

@CathrineMacNiel Ай бұрын

Lets hope that this goes better than LiMux.

@Merigold83 Ай бұрын

@@CathrineMacNiel Munich switched back to Microsoft, after Microsoft moved their European Headquarter to Munich…

@Alexander-ix2jp Ай бұрын

👍🏻 let's do this

@temari2860 Ай бұрын

The fact that Plasma switch proposal was submitted on 1st April by the budgie lead is hillarious, Joshua even posted that even tho it looks very much like a joke - it isn't

@JohnnyElihue Ай бұрын

Joshua needs to go away and never propose anything again.

@JustAnotherAlchemist Ай бұрын

Google used to propose genuinely radical policy changes on or near April 1st, in addition to the obvious jokes they would post. . . ... where does a wise man hide a leaf...

@Humpix Ай бұрын

The last case was in Munich. The switch to Linux (Limux) was very successful. The next mayor was only very closely associated with Microsoft and the lobbying then did the rest with the result that millions were unnecessarily sunk into Microsoft licences. They no longer play fair at this level - one of the reasons why I detest this company so much. They are the devil in the business sector and make no secret of it...

@temari2860 Ай бұрын

The xz exploit was successful not just because of trust they built for 3 years, the code was still checked but the backdoor was so masterly hidden it's honestly insanely smart. You need to be a big brain low level coder to at least grasp it even after it was revealed, but even for a very experienced person catching it during a code review is nearly impossible, especially because every single pull request by itself is technically harmless and doesn't really have anything that would by itself enable backdoor. However different changes throughout the year have enabled this multi-step backdoor. You certainly don't look at the code that looks completely safe and think "ohhh wait that 2-years old small change could be used to turn this change into something dangerous and unsafe"

@ettoreatalan8303 Ай бұрын

The XZ exploit is as sophisticated as exploits from the NSA.😇

@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ай бұрын

Also, it wasn't even in the main source code. It was in a binary incorporated to the make script. The only way it was found was encountering the issue, then tracing back, not by direct code review.

@vikiai4241 Ай бұрын

OnenSource: 1 second slow-down noticed in someone's stack, they trace back the cause, find cleverly hidden exploit. 🌟 ClosedSource: 1 second slow-down noticed in the stack, whelp that's just the nature of modern software. Whatchagonnado? 🤷

@rightwingsafetysquad9872 Ай бұрын

@vikiai4241 Yes. But also it was discovered by Microsoft. Task failed successfully.

@rmidifferent8906 Ай бұрын

@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 But also it was discovered during testing postgresql builds. That's a win

@xperience-evolution Ай бұрын

German State should use openSuse (it is german made after all) and contribute to it or Suse Enterprise.

@in-craig-ible6160 Ай бұрын

That XZ thing was a blessing indisguise, I guess. Evereyone's now double checking their submissions.

@w01dnick Ай бұрын

Jia Tan, is that you?

@mx338 Ай бұрын

More government organisations in the EU and China adopting Linux, certainly could bring advancements and more mainstream software support, like Adobe Acrobat. I hope this trend continues.

@VFPn96kQT Ай бұрын

Even if EU government move to an alternative vendor of closed source products (if OSS alternatives don't exist) from the few tech giants that control most of the market. Just increasing competition is great in itself.

@thelakeman2538 Ай бұрын

Adobe acrobat has always been a bloated mess in my experience, I hate it when windows users use acrobat reader when 90% of them are not even using it for anything more advanced than what their web browser can already do, I think okular or evince would be a drop in replacement for most people, but adobe creative suite coming would be nice for professionals.

@talkysassis Ай бұрын

I can see why AMD would OSS RocM. They can't compete with CUDA by themselves, so making it open, more adopted and selling for gpus on AI space would be better than just staying behind Nvidia.

@sercraft3970 Ай бұрын

Amd should really make something competitive to cuda

@VFPn96kQT Ай бұрын

Rocm is MIT licensed. The problem is too much software is written for CUDA and don't use any alternative like Rocm or OneAPi. People should buy more AMD GPU to make it worthwhile to invest in technologies like Sycl that abstract all these low level APIs away.

@OraOraOra Ай бұрын

Thanks for the News! Also good pronounciation on "Schleswig-Holstein" !!!

@temari2860 Ай бұрын

If not 2 equal workstation editions, I would at least like Fedora team to take a closer look at current Fedora KDE spin. Fedora with GNOME comes with vanilla shell and vanilla apps, with very minimal suite. Fedora KDE comes with tons of additional software that most people won't use, some of which is extremely outdated. Doesn't feel nearly as fresh and modern as gnome edition in my opinion.

@JohnnyElihue Ай бұрын

I agree with this. Gnome is already a WAY more polished DE then KDE. Plus with all the new funding they just got, it's about to get a whole lot better. KDE would be a step backwords in UI design, and polish.

@fakecubed Ай бұрын

I think a year or two from now, we'll all look back at the XZ scare as a good thing. No systems were actually compromised, and it was a wake-up call to distros and other projects to make better choices in how they do things. The best security feature of open source is that there is real accountability, and people can see exactly how everyone reacts and works to mitigate vulnerabilities when they come to light. There's no opportunity for a cover-up, and the community won't tolerate projects dragging their feet and being slow to address serious problems. I'm very optimistic about Linux's future after this happened. We got turbo-nerds investigating even the slightest bit of weirdness in packages and tracking down security flaws before they have a chance to do anything, and every major project involved rushed to mitigate it and are proactively seeking ways to shore up security against hypothetical future threats. Linux has done a great job all around.

@fuseteam Ай бұрын

The transition to snap is in part because thunderbird stepped up, not the other way around ;)

@overlordmarkus Ай бұрын

Either I'm aging backwards through time or we had that exact same news about Schleswig-Holstein a year or two ago.

@ChimeraX0401 Ай бұрын

To be honest KDE fits the Fedora's vision of always being first. They're implementing a lot of things in wayland and I've heard that KDE might follow the 6 months release cycle which will be in line with fedora....

@unnainconnu9098 Ай бұрын

While I prefer KDE, I'm pretty sure Gnome switched to Wayland years ago. About the release cycle, it's always better to wait a little bit for major bugs to get fixed before using the latest version, so the KDE release would have to happen a few weeks before the Fedora release.

@jerryferreira8960 Ай бұрын

One of the reasons that Linux Mint may not want to go with Debian as the only base is that LMDE doesn't allow external repositories.

@RagnarinVa Ай бұрын

A lot of nice updates from the Thunderbird team.

@C0SSTY Ай бұрын

I can't wait for Cosmic, it is basically cross between Gnome and kde. Finally, I will be able to stick to one thing and won't have to hop from one thing to another, because some people said something was updated, fixed, added.

@PrezVeto Ай бұрын

You'd better knock on wood

@JohnnyElihue Ай бұрын

I wouldn't hold your breath, it's a brand new DE. It's going to have so many bugs and short comings. Gnome and KDE have been around for years with all that development time. I highly doubt cosmic will come out with anywhere near the level polish, stability, or features the others have.

@the-answer-is-42 Ай бұрын

@@JohnnyElihue Yeah, but I'm still excited to try it out because I'm curious.

@kuhluhOG Ай бұрын

6:02 To be exact what Poettering means with "no longer mandates compression libraries as hard dependencies" is that when needed dlopen will be used to open the library. At least that's what I got from the Fedora mailing list.

@potatoes5829 Ай бұрын

Whatever you think about the fedora KDE proposal, remember this, the important part of this disscussion is what is better for FEDORA, not which is the better DE. I personally can see both sides: switching to KDE makes sense because KDE is at the bleeding edge of new developments, which is what FEDORA is aiming to be. (remember pulseaudio, pipewire, wayland, systemd, etc.) staying on GNOME also makes sense because REDHAT is a downstream of FEDORA, making it more simple to make new REDHAT releases.

@kuhluhOG Ай бұрын

another reason in favour of Gnome is that they used it for a LONG time and see Fedora Workstation as more of a complete OS like Microsoft sees Windows 10 and such a switch would be a change which one could argue is even larger than e.g. Pulseaudio -> Pipewire or X11 -> Wayland

@potatoes5829 Ай бұрын

@@kuhluhOG I disagree, they may call it fedora workstation, but (in my opinion) it moves too quickly for actual workstation use

@kuhluhOG Ай бұрын

@@potatoes5829 I only said how they view it

@Kiaulen Ай бұрын

I use Fedora workstation as my primary desktop (though I'm mandated to use a Mac for work). I haven't had any issues with the pace of updates or anything in gnome breaking. That said, if they did set KDE as the new default I don't think it would impact me too much. Both DEs are quite usable and stable.

@ludovitkramar7088 Ай бұрын

Plasma is so bleeding edge it doesn't even have Chinese or Japanese input methods build-in, after how many years?

@temari2860 Ай бұрын

I think Plasma default will actually be better for Fedora and Linux in general. Not because I like Plasma more than GNOME, but GNOME is a very unique and specific experience by default that most new comers to Linux wouldn't expect or know their way around. Plasma is more familiar and more flexible to user's needs so new people can both feel familiar from the beggining, but also see the power and flexibility of Linux. And then if they check out GNOME's experience and it's just the thing they're looking for - they'll switch to a desktop that wants to be used by people looking for that exact unique experience.

@JohnnyElihue Ай бұрын

Nah, there are already plenty of distros with KDE. Gnome is already way more polished and stable then KDE, and they just got all that funding. By contrast, KDE is cluttered, miss aligned UI elements, bloated, and glitchy

@RagnarinVa Ай бұрын

It wouldn’t be a Saturday morning without a new video from Nick. Great information sir.

@MrOcelot92 Ай бұрын

First time i see this channel. Subbed, i really like the chapterization of the video, good work :)

@terraflops Ай бұрын

this channel is such a delight, hopefully this Germany state sticks with Linux and so other countries have a model to copy.

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

Hey Nick: 1. The timestamps are slightly bugged at the end. (There's an unfinished timestamp in the description.) 2. No Linux gaming news?

@RonnieRedd Ай бұрын

Good job as always 😊

@derekfurst6233 Ай бұрын

Opensuse has had Plasma as the default for a long time and it's been great. And opensuse is basically just a better fedora

@balsalmalberto8086 Ай бұрын

You get a choice of desktops during install.

@derekfurst6233 Ай бұрын

@@balsalmalberto8086 yes and it's a plasma first distro. Just like currently fedora is a gnome first distro but you can get other DE's

@hesslein007 Ай бұрын

Nick, you're doing a marvelous job. You're great. Thanks for all the Linux info you're putting on your channel. I learned a lot from you and I owe you one!!! Good job Nick!!!!

@spacewhalemilk Ай бұрын

Kde and gnome as fedora workstation's flagships would be a nice compromise, but it could confuse newcomers.

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

Still, KDE should be more promoted than it is now. Making two Workstation versions (one with GNOME and the other with KDE) is probably the best option

@shApYT Ай бұрын

Not really. they could just present two silhouettes of each de during installation. One windows-like and other mac-like.

@spacewhalemilk Ай бұрын

@@cameronbosch1213 Yes, and the website could explain that kde offers a traditional windows-like interface but that it can be customized heavily, and that gnome is more of a minimalist interface, and is much less customizable.

@spacewhalemilk Ай бұрын

@@shApYT Very good idea!

@foldionepapyrus3441 Ай бұрын

Seems like a problematic compromise to me, and if I'm honest I can't see the point. A Linux noob isn't likely to pick fedora, which in many ways that is a good thing as its not what the distro is aiming to do, and even if they do Gnome does just work well enough to deal with anyway - they are in for a culture shock moving to Linux and package managers no matter what, so as long as it is good to use and fully functional, which gnome is. Which also means the folks picking fedora know that Gnome is the default and supported platform, and what they are getting into if they want to run a different DE. Which means they will either pick a distro that does lean the way they prefer by default or be able to get their preference set up anyway.

@user-to4fm9gq9t Ай бұрын

I Love AMD!! I think they see that the future of computing is open source and they are trying to get ahead of it

@securitron5 Ай бұрын

Nick, your channel is invaluable, thanks for the work you do.

@dragomirstefan2131 Ай бұрын

Tbh, as a linux noob user, I agree with the fact that KDE would be way more familiar for a larger group of people. It's simply the same UI paradigm as the most widespread OS out there, people would find it way easier to transition. As for Gnome... I feel like back in the days of Win 8. It got so simplified and so tablet-ized(?) that it's starting to become cumbersome.

@PaulG.x Ай бұрын

menus are cumbersome

@kyokazuto Ай бұрын

Cinnamon is also pretty similar to w10 I'd argue

@shApYT Ай бұрын

I hate Plasma and want Fedora to make it the default. If you love Gnome and love how it does what it does then you want this too. Gnome users and developers cross-pollinating will bring the good things of Gnome to KDE and finally make it the ultimate DE. Fedora's trial by fire approach has been very effective, look at wayland and pipewire.

@alexstone691 Ай бұрын

I absolutely agree, someone needs to push it so it gets better

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

I think having both on equal footing is probably the way to go; both are well funded and are the two most popular DEs for Linux. Given the Steam Deck uses KDE Plasma on its desktop mode, I think it's important to have promote the KDE version a lot more than it is being promoted now.

@shApYT Ай бұрын

While offering both would be the pragmatic approach, it would also lessen the effect of Fedora pushing something uncomfortable to the end users and thus lessen the benefit to KDE. Gnome is leagues ahead of KDE in terms of design and general sex appeal. Only those users who are either already used to KDE or coming from windows would pick KDE and the rest of Fedora's user base would pick Gnome if it was presented as an option in the installer. If Fedora does switch, then the current users don't actually lose anything because they would just switch to the Gnome Spin on the next release. Since Fedora is just vanilla Gnome it is not like users are missing out on some extra sauce that a spin can't maintain.@@cameronbosch1213

@shApYT Ай бұрын

@@cameronbosch1213 KZfaq deleted my reply since I used the word "Segs Appeal" so I'll keep it short. Current users don't lose anything by Gnome getting demoted to a spin. "workstation" doesn't have any secret sauce. Just switch on the next release. If the option was presented during install, then only new users switching from windows or already familiar KDE users would pick it. Yes it would be more pragmatic and less painful, but that would lessen the benefit to KDE and slow down the speed at which KDE would catch up to Gnome. KDE desperately needs some of the "Gnome's eye for design" to rub off from this transition.

@richtigmann1 Ай бұрын

...what's wrong with plasma?

@CWM030 Ай бұрын

:53 mark, how did you do that in GNOME? How did you add desktop icons inside of a KDE 4 type container? That is neat!

@LastSecBloomer Ай бұрын

IIRC, the main reason GNOME is so popular as a default DE for many distros is less work for developers and easier integration.Plasma so far has been trickier to implement and imposed more work on devs...we'll see if that will change after the v6.

@user-yw1nm4je8o Ай бұрын

Hey bro, what distro do you use?

@truko22 Ай бұрын

Gracias por las noticias 👍

@ronm6585 Ай бұрын

Thanks Nick.

@peterschmidt9942 Ай бұрын

It would be cool if Fedora moved their default desktop to KDE. I know when I was switching from Windows and trying distros it was that Fedora had a KDE version (and a damn good one at that). I think there's less of a learning curve with KDE than Gnome if you're coming from WIndows, just for the fact everything is there and you're not hunting down add ons to do basic functionality (that should be there in the first place). However, I'm using Ultramarine KDE now. Mainly because it's easier to install as they add the extra repos, codecs and drivers needed for my hardware (although its not hard to do it in Fedora but just less steps than installing Ultramarine).

@JohnnyElihue Ай бұрын

Gnome is not missing any functionality because it is not intended to be a "windows like" experience.

@peterschmidt9942 Ай бұрын

@@JohnnyElihue I beg to differ

@Lampe2020 Ай бұрын

Schleswig-Holstein is the Bundesland I spent most of my life in after moving up from Hessen and before moving even further up to Småland in Sweden.

@reverse4646 Ай бұрын

I like the stable vanilla gnome in fedora it just works. :)

@breadmoth6443 Ай бұрын

Yea the Mint team should just stop undoing what ubuntu does, and just go solely Debian based, they are creating needless work for themselves with the constant tug of war with ubuntu and i always stated the devs should just only focus on Debian.

@THeck_23 Ай бұрын

Great step from Germany :) Hopefully they will stay with it

@mikecantwell77 Ай бұрын

Exchange in Thunderbird would be awesome! Ok, we do have davmail but having working exchange natively on the desktop and then, presumably, it'll come through to K9 when it becomes Thunderbird for android too.

@joansparky4439 Ай бұрын

thanks

@flinch622 Ай бұрын

I like the idea. I began using linux around the redhat 7.2/7.3 timeframe... and found I liked the kde flavor better than gnome, primarily because admin tools suited me. Fedora with kde? Yes, please!

@bm1066 Ай бұрын

Correct me if im wrong, but there is already a Fedora Workstation spin that uses KDE? That is what I currently use.

@someguy9175 14 күн бұрын

Fedora switching to KDE would be really nice because, currently, the only distros that mainline KDE are tuxedo and steamOS, both of which are quite esoteric. There's ton of GNOME distros already, i wouldn't mind a single KDE one that isn't made specifically for some ad hoc device.

@legatuslabienus Ай бұрын

Is there a step by step definitions guide for Linux use? Like what everything means in the most computer-ey technical terms? Arch wiki?

@mylinuxgr5050 Ай бұрын

Congrats to Land Schleswig-Holstein. All public entities should shift to Linux gradually. They should start a training program, possibly on a specific administration oriented distro flavor. That would be a great project!

@maxrs1708 Ай бұрын

In Spain, 90% of the IT / CompSci education curriculum is all taught with FOSS. And when I was a secondary / High school student, all PCs in my school were running Ubuntu. However, for the Spanish administration workers, it's still all Windows. I'm happy that Germany's government is making the move! I feel like modern Linux is very polished and should be apt for most (if not all) office work related use cases nowadays. Feels like the only reason for going propietary now would be because the industry standard creative/artistic software is locked to Win/macOS. However I believe that even that is starting to change (Take a look at blender / Krita / Godot)..

@atikattar1104 Ай бұрын

AAAYYYYY! It's Releasing On My Birthday!🥳🎉🎉🎉

@bluephreakr Ай бұрын

Fedora and Canonical could do well to have a banner on every desktop spin landing page promoting their KDE variant with the heading _Attention Steam Deck users_ or similar, which would help people using Steam Deck / SteamOS / HoloISO to use the variety of their distribution with a familiar desktop environment.

@nikkorocksalot5254 Ай бұрын

I set up a bicycle shop to use Linux did some gentle training and it went very well. I found out a couple years later they had just switched back to Windows because the owner wanted to install Internet explorer They said they couldn't get on the internet without it and boy were they surprised to learn about Firefox I know some Enterprise level solutions require certain operating systems to be optimal, but I'm pretty sure it's just a lot of older people who don't understand technology that keep states cities and other organizations from staying on Linux once they switch

@cosmicusstardust3300 Ай бұрын

Linux Mint really is amazing, if they weren't using such an old kernel I would have been using that right now but my hardware is too new for it lol

@rianv6266 Ай бұрын

Hi so I don't know which linux distribution should I install I tried using Ubuntu but learning how to use Linux while learning how to program a game is a bad idea. I'm currently in my 1st year as IT student and I bought a pre owned thinkpad and the ram is soldered. Trying Linux again this summer but looking to install LMDE or do you have any other recommendation?

@Jmcinally94 Ай бұрын

I don't know much about LMDE, but Debian is pretty solid too and you'd get the benefit of having the same package manage as Ubuntu/LM. Debian is designed to run on everything, no matter how low spec. Also, ram usage is a concern you could always install more lightweight desktop environment, like LXDE or Xfce 😊

@rianv6266 Ай бұрын

@@Jmcinally94 I will download it to my laptop after I finish presenting my Project. Since microsoft and using windows now feels so slow even in my computer with decent specs. So I'm wondering if I installed linux in my pc can play games that I play in windows and just sit and play? I heard the meme of playing a game in linux is 90% running your game and 10 % playing the actual game. I really wish gaming in linux is easy lol if that's the case

@JoshuaNeeley Ай бұрын

I run Fedora and had to switch to KDE for compatibility. Running KDE under the X11 launcher made my PC manageable. When I ran the Wayland variant I couldn't launch most my software without off monitor problems. But to be fair I am still on Fedora 39

@mma93067 Ай бұрын

Give it a few years and cosmic might become a real competitor in the DE space. It’ll be a three-way fight

@RagnarinVa Ай бұрын

Competition is always good.

@clemradio Ай бұрын

Mint may as well keep using Ubuntu as their base distro. The amount of software (and hardware!) that suddenly doesn’t exist or doesn’t work with debian is quite something. If they still want to label Mint as “beginner-friend” they should definitely keep Ubuntu

@RogerioPereiradaSilva77 Ай бұрын

What? Ubuntu is more or less Debian repackaged. Yes, Canonical has added quite a bit of their own spin onto packages which distanced Ubuntu from the source somewhat but the net result was mostly that some PPAs might not work with Debian packages because Ubuntu ships different versions. Honestly, Ubuntu has not been the go-to distro for quite some time now and it is really easy to see why. If anything, the existence of LMDE shows that the reliance on Ubuntu isn't nearly as critical for Mint as Ubuntu lovers want people to think it is.

@omninaut9579 Ай бұрын

Appimage > flatpak > snap

@ec_7006 Ай бұрын

What is the bg music name?

@foodieontour Ай бұрын

Another German state (Niedersachsen) did the move to Linux 20 years ago (I was involved in the mass project with hundreds of consultants over years) only to move back to M$ a few years later when a new MP came to power that was strongly funded (bribed) by M$

@fuseteam Ай бұрын

Yay, thunderbird now maintains the snap :D

@jeffreydurham2566 Ай бұрын

I like the idea of KDE and Gnome being co-official Fedora desktops. I like both desktops, and would use both in my home computing ecosystem. I tend to like Gnome better on my laptop, but KDE works better for me on the desktop.

@bogdanzarzycki9885 Ай бұрын

After trying KDE Plasma i loved it

@Sunrise-d819i2 Ай бұрын

at this point it will be best for most linux distro's to use offer both gnome and KDE Plasma. My sister always hated linux until i shown her KDE is similar to windows because she always seen gnome. Now she is a full time linux users and now refuses to touch windows only be kde can be adjusted to similarity of windows start menu and bottom dock can look exactly like windows taskbar.

@JoaoLuis-eh9yl Ай бұрын

Salut nick. As-tu um podcast de tes vidéos d'ici ?

@UntoldTechy Ай бұрын

It be interesting Fedora moving to KDE as a default, but seeing GNOME having pre-established Security STIGS and highly used by companies, I don't tihnk RHEL would move to KDE and Fedora moving to KDE. Love KDE and GNOME regardless

@WarkWarbly Ай бұрын

Are ypu saying something like busybox, but systemD? I kinda like that. Each "applet" could be hashed and referenced against a sha sum for unwanted changes.

@MrPcguy1000 Ай бұрын

I'll like snap pack and flat pack.

@mitch9254 Ай бұрын

i tried the kde spin for fedora 38 and -being on wayland- it was an awful experience all around. back to gnome for fedora 39 and everything is smooth as always. gnome is more restrictive but extensions alleviate the issue, whereas kde will likely not ready for prime time yet.

@zebobm Ай бұрын

Switching to KDE default would not be good I think, but making it more visible, like a button to switch to KDE on Workstation would be nice, giving it more visibility.

@m4rt_ Ай бұрын

I would love to see Norway also move to Linux, though I sadly don't see that happening in the foreseeable future. Some people here seam to love using Microsoft stuff, and they fail to realize that they would save a lot of money by moving from Microsoft stuff to using FOSS stuff instead, also that less data would be collected if this change were to be done.

@setoman1 Ай бұрын

It’s gonna be OpenSUSE 😊

@Bruhyeet42069 Ай бұрын

SCHLESWIG-HOLSTEIN MENTIONED RAHH

@turanamo Ай бұрын

KDE Plasma is the way to go. KDE leverages QT and is far ahead in the GUI UX development game.

@ArtyrNc Ай бұрын

I can understand why people want move their Thunderbird from snap to native deb. But theoretically snap is more secure for the system, than deb cause it has sandboxing. In case with mail clients - it makes sense, i guess. So do they care so much about a little bit faster loading of he app, or just want to leave snaps behind?

@gambinante Ай бұрын

If exploits continue, then maybe BSD is the way to go???.

@Slugbunny Ай бұрын

I like both KDE and GNOME. Different strokes and all that, options are what Linux gives us when Windows takes them away. 🥰

@df3yt Ай бұрын

Agreed, I prefer gnome on laptop and KDE on desktop, though KDE 6's bugs has me holding back to 5.27.

@Daniel_VolumeDown Ай бұрын

I am waiting for next news and (maybe) coverage of new X-Silicon RISC-V based C-GPU: A processor where one core can be CPU or GPU (and some tittles say even NPU) "core" depending on the need. I don't understand though, what these cores really are, because some high end CPU usually can lets say 64 cores, but GPU's can have thousands of cores. On some news I saw it compared to abandoned Intel Larabee project. Also I wonder if it maybe solves some of the things said in "The Thirty Million Line Problem" (presented on "Molly Rocket" channel): he basically wanted to have something similar to what ISA is for CPU but for GPU; so my question is if this cores are RISC-V, and also what X-Silicon is supposed to be open sstandard (If I heard right) then does that mean that these cores have ISA but also for GPU part? (I know though that they made some Vulkan drivers so current standards can still be used)

@MysticMylesZ Ай бұрын

Oh baby! stripping down systemD would be amazing

@ItsJustTeeZA Ай бұрын

I guess to the Linux Mint team, Wayland is not ready for them. But PipeWire definitely is a welcoming one. I cannot wait.

@jirivegner3711 Ай бұрын

IIRC Mint aim at 2 years development for Wayland

@ItsJustTeeZA Ай бұрын

@@jirivegner3711 I see.

@mihairomulus2488 Ай бұрын

they are doing work for their Wayland session, they're not against it at all

@ItsJustTeeZA Ай бұрын

@@mihairomulus2488 I understand. I cannot wait for both PipeWire and Wayland to land on Linux Mint.

@Komatik_ Ай бұрын

I wish Mint would just bite the bullet and go KDE.

@RagnarinVa Ай бұрын

Fedora going with KDE first is actually an exciting proposition and will help the KDE community with development. High adventure.

@Z3ldd Ай бұрын

I mean i wouldn't be mad if fedora moves to kde i generally see kde as a more "bleeding edge" desktop compared to gnome it just looks more modernized

@divyanshbhutra5071 Ай бұрын

Gnome looks more modern, while KDE has more modern functionality.

@demounit Ай бұрын

kde is so much better than gnome

@shadowseverywhere666 Ай бұрын

Lets agree to disagree

@cameronbosch1213 Ай бұрын

@@divyanshbhutra5071 Looks too modern, for better and worse.

@rohithkumarbandari Ай бұрын

@@divyanshbhutra5071exactly

@fuseteam Ай бұрын

'It was proposed by joshua strobl' Marc, Troy, Steve and Alessandro: :/

@benjy288 Ай бұрын

Its debatable whether plasma is stable, every time I try it I always run into bugs, not just small bugs either, bugs that would cause the desktop to crash and restart, or long login times, or logging in and only getting a black screen with a cursor, a more stable desktop would be xfce or lxqt, the latter can be easily run with plasma's kwin window manager, which gives a basic plasma like experience just without the bugs.

@WittNV Ай бұрын

KDE by default on Fedora huh? I think we (or at least, l) wouldn't need that, since we have some Fedora-based distros like Nobara that already provides KDE by default. 😎

@johanb.7869 Ай бұрын

Flatpaks are just as worse as snaps, but I use Debian based MX which uses deb Thunderbird by default.

@obake6290 Ай бұрын

I think its cool that German government is switching to Linux. And I also hope it sticks this time. Wish this would happen in the US. Regarding the chosen distro - they made mention of a Univention AD connector, so it seems pretty likely they are going with Univention Corporate Server. This is a commercial Debian-based enterprise distro based in Germany. With any luck their research will lead them to more open source solutions. Seems they still need to find something like FreeIPA for identity services. Also open source telephony stuff that I know exists since there's a distro for it but I know nothing beyond that.

@macaldente Ай бұрын

S-H is the most northern state of Germany, one out of 16 states. It was not the German government, but the government of S-H who decided that.

@obake6290 Ай бұрын

@@macaldente German government as in a government in Germany. Didn't mean the overall German government. Poorly phrased though, I admit.