[Re-Up] A Critique of Star Trek Discovery

[Re-Up] A Critique of Star Trek Discovery - Part 1 #RIPStarTrek

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*Notice*
With our apologies for the duplicated content, here's the reupload of part 1 of our Discovery critique. CBS - as it has done on every Trek video we've uploaded - filed a baseless copyright claim on the original video.
Each and every one of the claims they've made - there are five or six now - have been overturned on review, but this process can take a month, during which videos we've spent weeks working on get no views.
They know this, which is why they make the claims. It's a very effective way of suppressing critical content, and KZfaq doesn't seem at all concerned that its corporate pals are abusing systems nominally in place to protect people who actually produce content for the platform.
Though we have appealed (again) their claims against the original video, we've taken the view that waiting a month for it to be overturned (again) plays into their hands. Therefore, we've re-uploaded the original video with a couple of minor tweaks to the footage.
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*The video*
Star Trek Discovery Season 4 concluded on Paramount+ this month. And it's... not good. It's completely lost track of the philosophy that defined earlier iterations of Trek - the Original Series and The Next Generation, particularly - while the writing remains as awful as ever, doubling down on all that was bad about the previous seasons while jettisoning what little was good about them.
*Timestamps*
Intro - A Response to Our Critics: 00:00 - 09:10
The Plot Begins: 09:11 - 15:45
Gay & Alphabet People - How Star Trek Discovery Fails at Diversity: 15:46 - 30:33
The Plot Continues: 33:34 - 43:45
Superficial Intelligence - Are the Writers Sentient?: 43:36 - 50:34
More Plot: 50:35 - 57:36
Conclusion 57:37
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@Diggnuts 2 жыл бұрын

What is the tragedy of NuTrek is that nobody will ever say "I want to become a scientist/astronaut/doctor because of those shows". It is the exact opposite of inspiring and that, to me, is borderline criminal.

@hellacoorinna9995 Жыл бұрын

Riri Williams: "I want you to say something racist and tell me I'll never be an astronaut or whatever because I don't have my own agency." Primary School Teacher: "No." (yes this actually happened in 'Ironheart', more-or-less)

@Shooopdawooooop Жыл бұрын

I’m in STEM now bc of Star Trek truly and this is the most well-put way of why I’m disgruntled with Trek now. I was fine with Enterprise, I’m honestly sad It didn’t get to run as long as TNG/Voyager/DS9

@phantomhck Жыл бұрын

The nutrek version of techno babble is absolute insanity. Makes it very unreachable, in old trek it always urged me to think of how the transporter, warp drive, etc actually worked. Since they were relatively consistent, it could be believed. This nu-trek doesn't invite real science or inspire any related aspirations.

@Kwolfx Жыл бұрын

"What is the tragedy of NuTrek" - I would add that NuTrek doesn't invite the viewer to think very deeply about any of the moral questions some of its episodes seem to ask, because when it answers those questions with the preferred solution of the writers, it does so with little; if any, serious debate or discussion. These answers are given with a degree of finality that makes any other point of view or thoughts demonized or made to look silly. So, NuTrek not only fails to promote STEM, it fails to promote critical thinking and debate.

@Diggnuts Жыл бұрын

@@Kwolfx Sadly, you are 100% correct.

@thomasfoster3094 2 жыл бұрын

"Old" Star Trek was more subtle, made you think, due to the writers of the show. "New" Star Trek is in your face, annoying & basically simplistic. Almost religious in their conclusions.

@saimashah5132 2 жыл бұрын

Dogmatic liberalism?

@dasparado 2 жыл бұрын

New Trek is not interested in telling you both sides of an issue, espcially if its political. They simply want to preach to you their ideology and demonize anything that runs counter to that.

@davfree9732 2 жыл бұрын

NuTrek - Tries to tie people to a chair with their eyelids pried open with a talentless hack producer… (and the credits show they have plenty) … asking “Do you see!” Note, they do not ask that as a question because in their mind, their is only ‘the answer’ Star Trek used to provide, many answers, because it, unlike Secret Hideout, was not politically indoctrinated and closed minded to the extreme.

@davfree9732 2 жыл бұрын

@etherealtb6021 2 жыл бұрын

Half black and half white people was subtle? 🤣 That was deliberately obvious and provocative, because ironically, the only place you could talk about the absurdity of race theory in 1969 was in a metaphor on a scifi show! Networks would not have touched a "serious" race topic like this with a 10 foot pole. Remember, there were only THREE networks. You did not risk alienating 1/3 of your audience.

@dash4800 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't grow up with Star Trek, I have no nostalgic ties to the characters or lore. I actually actively avoided it for a long time because I thought it looked cheap, and old fashioned, and seeing the banners on Amazon did nothing to change that perception. However during the covid lockdowns I started working from home and to pass the time while I worked I figured it was finally time to give Star Trek a shot. And I ended up watching all the series through Enterprise in just a few months. I found quickly that I didn't care that it wasn't action heavy, or that it was dated in its look, or that the sets and costumes sometimes looked cheap (especially starting out). I actually found that I loved listening to Picard give speeches about morality, and that I loved listening to them sit down and debate the dilemmas presented like mature professional officers. And most of all I loved that it was entirely dedicated to the characters being of the world they lived in rather than being modern humans shoved into a sci fi setting. So when I finally finished the series I obviously wanted more, and while I was dubious about STD because I was perfectly aware of what people said about it I decided to give it a shot. And in the first 10 minutes I was like "WTF is this?". It had no resemblance to any of the Star Trek I had just binged. And because I just watched it all for the first time you can't even argue I was looking back with rose colored glasses. The new shows look like trash, the characters are all completely unlikeable, nobody acts like a professional member of a pseudo military organization. Everyone is loud, and abrasive, and insulting, and they all talk like modern college millennials rather than highly educated officers. And the worst is obviously the lead lady, who in no way talks or sounds like a Vulcan, its insulting really. Worlds really can't describe how much I hated that show. I similarly tried to watch Picard but that was even worse. And even though I only recently became a fan of Star Trek, I can easily say that of all the franchises that have been ruined in recent years, including ones like Star Wars that I grew up on, the bastardization of Star Trek makes me the angriest of all.

@peterc3262 Жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@arizona_anime_fan Жыл бұрын

i grew up with star trek, in between the old series and contemporary with the movies, and next gen, i can't say i was a huge star trek fan, oh there were trek fans in my family and amung my friends, but i did watch it. i wouldn't change the channel if it was on, and while tng and ds9 were the only two series i watched every episode for, i think i have a good idea about what star trek is. the vandalization started around the jjabrams reboot movies, and discovey is just toxic and disgusting. i would never let my children watch this show like my parents let me watch tng or the oigional trek movies. this is dreck of the lowest common denominator.

@itsallgood1972 Жыл бұрын

Well said, by someone with a fresh perspective. I've been a trek fan for over 40 years. STD is NOT trek. Welcome to the family.

@rossdawgsbrokenspirit9038 2 жыл бұрын

'The Wounded' was a brilliant episode, its handling of PTSD was brilliant.

@SarukiKnight Жыл бұрын

Not only that, it was also a career military captain who could not live in peace.

@elmartillo7931 Жыл бұрын

Bravo and very well said! I'm 51. I remember when gay people were gay people and it was a sexual orientation not some type of caricature or identity. I'm generation x, we don't care about skin color or whether someone is homosexual or not, we care if somebody's a good person or not. But now bad people claim an identity as a way of getting away with being assholes

@filmjames 2 жыл бұрын

I just watched Gambit, which is just a great example of what Star Trek is supposed to be. Really superb acting all around, especially Data and Worf, but I felt like there’s this moment where Picard starts giving orders to the marauders and it’s just so fucking real Star Trek that it makes me sick of the state of the current shows. The final message of the episode is this really intense scene where the villain tries to use the ancient Vulcan psionic weapon on everyone and Picard discovers that by not thinking violent thoughts that it disables the weapon, which is really so interesting, if presented in a bit of a cheesy way. The mythology of the episode says that the ancient Vulcans were a warring, hostile people, and that this weapon was immensely powerful, and that the only way to cancel it out was to have thoughts of peace to neutralize it, ushering in the peaceful, logic driven ideal that reshaped their entire society. It’s not only an awesome idea, and great for a casual viewer, but also deepens the mythology of a race that was very well developed by that time, all with a few well written lines of dialogue. As I’ve been rewatching a bunch of TNG, to cleanse my pallet of Picard, I’ve noticed that the episodes were about so many variations of fields. Not only astronomically centered episodes, but they also have episodes focused around the major sciences like archaeology, chemistry and biology as well as music and theatre, even how boring Data is at poetry, all of these deepened the characters and gave them the real depth that the current shows don’t even attempt. I guess that’s what I miss most about the old Star Trek, it was that the science was cool because they made it interesting rather than someone wearing a shirt that just says science is cool while they preach or cry, or both. And the crying, why must they cry in every episode of Discovery, I can’t imagine how this reads on the set with having to shoot so many crying scenes. Picard fucking died at the beginning of Gambit and even Troy doesn’t drop a tear, because she’s a professional and a Starfleet Officer. I’m not sure the crew of this show would be able to function if Burnham died, all I actually know about them is that they can all cry, have cried, and will cry about something else. Love the videos by the way, keep them coming, and fuck the censorship - fair use is clear cut in this case. Such exactly how it seems some people like to react, if they don’t like you, they try to cancel your voice outright. The TNG Picard wouldn’t have stood for that shit.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

I think I remember that episode, actually. And you’re right. Even in its most average episodes it’s clear TNG sees itself primarily as upholding the best traditions of sci-fi. It sees the opportunity in its premise and its setting and it honours that opportunity. It’s really staggering - especially when you watch them side-by-side - how Disco has completely vacated that whole arena. Its writers not only don’t understand science or the point of science fiction, they’re completely disinterested by it. It’s not sci-fi, it’s psychotherapy in space.

@filmjames 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon That’s exactly how I feel as well. The funny thing is, I appreciate the older material so much more now. Maybe it’s with age as well, as I haven’t seen most of these episodes in easily 25 years, so I appreciate them in a different way, but it’s also so, so much more interesting to see actual characters deal with real conflicts that are smart allegories for real life rather than being preached to.

@valueofnothing2487 2 жыл бұрын

DS9s Far Beyond the Stars, put Sisko in the 1950's, as a black man who challenged pop science fiction writing at the time and wanted to write something more important. He wanted to put black characters in space, and wouldn't stop and so was fired. It interrupted his relationship with his girlfriend, led to his mental breakdown. Which shows the personal impact of segregation and discrimination in a very subtle way. But the reason why it's the best episode of Star Trek is not all that. It's because he used a dream of a story that described the characters of Deep Space Nine itself. In other words, Deep Space Nine is in itself a dream of a better future. And that is a profound realization that comes about when you watch this episode. That eventually we'd reach a future where that drama does not exist and that people are treated equally. And it is certainly not altogether true, and we are continuing to fight this pop science fiction BS today in Discovery, in Star Trek Picard, because there's too much action, too phasers, and not enough intelligent social criticism.

@victortuber9116 2 жыл бұрын

Aye, loved that episode. It was unifying to almost all political sides... Sisko being IMO the best captain in the ST EU helped. Contrast that to Picard which goes to 2021 and then attempts to depict America as a racist country -- a willfully divisive attack on one political side by insinuation... sad to see just how far the Star Trek content creators have fallen.

@anankedos 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, that was a really good episode for all the reasons you mention. It was also great to watch everyone without alien makeup :)

@drewflemingmusic 2 жыл бұрын

I was going to offer this one. I believe this episode was also directed by Avery Brooks (Sisko!). It is a beautifully told story, very theatrically presented, and it manages to also work meaningfully into the series-long arch. Great TV.

@graceskerp Жыл бұрын

That episode should be shown in every high school history class. I grew up in that time and that's how it was - death by a thousand cuts bigotry. That final shot, Benny and Sisko looking at each other - dreams within dreams and hope. It was Trek at its very best. Avery Brooks did direct it. It had to be a labor of love for him.

@coren5911 Жыл бұрын

@@victortuber9116 actually also DS9 does the same thing in the casino robbery episode; honestly it's history, more than an inquisition on one side

@pp1608 2 жыл бұрын

"haha you hate black people lol" - The greatest Debater of all time

@nopi3.14 Жыл бұрын

That digression starting at 24:10 is worthy of its own video upload. So fucking good. As someone who grew up bi in a time and area where being openly gay or bi meant you had to know how to fight (or tie yourself to people who do) who now finds themselves demonized by the queer community for not looking queer enough, I have to thank you for putting that so eloquently. The words have always escaped me in my attempts to temper my rage that in 2023 I still need to defend my sexuality against people who claim to be what I actually am for the street cred.

@adhirg Жыл бұрын

what was the episode called where Riker fell in love with an androgynous lifeform? that episode tackled sexuality in a more complex, respectful, and complete way than anything else in the last 20 years.

@thewiirocks Жыл бұрын

That was “The Outcast” that TLP mentioned in the video. There was also “The Host” which introduced the Trill. Crusher was in love with a man who was injured, then the Trill moved to Riker, and ultimately ended up with a female body. This one struggled with identity and the weirdness when it is not as expected. That’s about as deep as TNG ever got, though The Outcast was brilliantly done.

@godofblabla Жыл бұрын

great example; I think the Episode not only tackles sexuality but in general Gender Identity - and that at a time when not many people thought about this (I wouldn't be surprised if this episode was written partly by persons who are Transgender or in other way having issues with their gender identity?) This is also a great example, because in this episode we can see Worf representing the "Conservative" (you could also say "bigotted") mindview of "I don't like them they are unnatural" -> and how do they treat Worfs view? - Troy tells him something like "Worf, thats very close minded of you" ; But they definitely let Worf have his Opinion, they don't call him an Androgynophobe, he doesn't lose his Job and is not cancelled ; because in Old Trek one of the most important values was to accept different opinions even if you disagree with them.

@GeorgeMonet Жыл бұрын

No. He fell in love with a woman who was being forced to publicly pretend she was an androgynous lifeform because of the sexism of her species' current culture that forbid the individual to feel or act on lust.

@69SalterStreet Жыл бұрын

I think of that episode often. It walked the line without ever taking a side. It actually interacted with the question of attraction and sexuality and also tradition and society and harmony and just so much more. Amazing how far media has regressed since them.

@robwhitebrook8580 Жыл бұрын

Here is two: 1. Devil in the Dark. Accidental genocide, mob justice with a final denouement that results in a new member of the federation, happy mob and a very special moment for Dr McCoy. Our new friend is a sentient rock. This is ultimate diversity, anything else is wasting everybody's time. 2. Balance of Terror. An excellent reflection on the cold war combined with an clever rewrite of "The enemy below". Cold and calculating from the first sighting (or lack thereof) of the implacable foes but the truest moment we take away, is the cost of war when a new bride is made into a widow on the same day.

@NovusTullius 2 жыл бұрын

I will do my best to watch this 2.6K times to try and get you back to where you were, I appreciate your work and the time/effort it must involve, and to have the rewards (view/comments/algorithmic-growth) stripped away by attempted (and invalid in my opinion) censorship must be immensely frustrating.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

I think that’d take around 108 days (not counting sleep), but which might be a bit excessive, but don’t let us dissuade you!

@stephenramos2824 Жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon you forget you can do it at 2x the speed!

@barrybend7189 2 жыл бұрын

Wow one thing i liked about Discovery was most of the designs but they don't look 23rd century. Also the Sporedrive has so many inconsistencies, compare that to Gundam 00's GN drive and the Quantum teleportation. In Gundam it requires alot of particles to produce enough density to allow the swapping or linking of 2 areas of space, that's how the Gundam 00 Raiser, 00 Quan'T and the Sakibure mobile worker produce FTL. With Discovery the rules change constantly. Sorry for the rewrite I needed to rethink it for the reupload. I also think that in the 32nd Century the idea of Floaty bits and excessive glowing lines don't denote advanced technology it just makes it gaudy and impractical. with the writing tech design is equal to descriptive storytelling.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Not at all, thanks for taking the time! Yeah, at times it does look as though they’ve lifted sets straight from Tron. I thought we’d got beyond “neon = future” in the late-80s but apparently not.

@barrybend7189 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon Also 50:10 an anime called Martian successor Nadesico did what Discovery is trying to do here better. the episode is episode 12 Those Unforgettable Days. in the episode a malfunction in the ship causes its targeting systems to go heywire and its because the AI Omoikane has conflicting memories causing confusion. in the episode to help it recover without destroying it's personality the ship's captain, computer officer, chief engineer and one of its mech pilots delve into the computer system to fix it's mental hangup. the anime is a good watch.

@bgoldsmith 2 жыл бұрын

I don't usually comment on KZfaq videos, but your take on STD is so spot on that I'm inspired. It's so difficult to make it through a complete episode. I want to love this show. I'm sure if I saw a member of STTNG crew break down and cry I would have been filled with all kinds of emotions and empathized. The best shows, where you are invested, naturally elicit emotions due to the content... But every single episode of STD has somebody crying in it. And what's worse is that they go from one scene with a crew member crying to another. S4 E2 had like 10 minutes of crying at the end. So painful. I think I'm done... I'll watch your recaps until you say that the show hand reversed Jumping the Shark. Maybe they will get stuck in a time loop and go back to season 2 and retcon all the BS that's come since? Thanks for your effort to put these videos together.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

It’s comments like that that make it worth it. Thanks for taking the time!

@jabojr5171 2 жыл бұрын

All of the DS9 episodes dealing with Odo being different. Oh, and DS9 was the best series with the best captain. Sisko was great.

@akashajones6079 Жыл бұрын

The best captain!? Dude, that is a mighty big claim. I don't think any of the ST captains are the 'best', they're all great in their own ways.

@DblOSmith Жыл бұрын

Agreed!!!!

@derekdrake8706 2 жыл бұрын

Ds9 was probably my favorite series, it dealt with themes around war, politics, PTSD and morality. Here's a few episodes that I remember, haven't seen it in months at this point. DS9, Hard Time. O'Brien is implanted with false memories of being in prison. It, to me at least, was a brilliant episode that showed how even a Starfleet Officer (an evolved, enlightened human being) could be broken down mentally, murder someone over scraps of food, deal with PTSD and reintegration into society and ultimately learn to forgive himself for murdering a friend. It didn't matter that his friend ultimately wasn't real because he was very real to him. DS9, The Visitor. I just wanted to mention this one because it's amazing and actually made me cry. DS9, The Wire. This one is underrated imo. It deals with addiction and the underlying trauma that can cause it. It's a tiny line but it puts a new spin on the boy who cried wolf. Bashir is telling Garek about the boy who cried wolf and how the moral of the story is that if you lie enough, eventually people stop believing you and Garek is like Nah. That's not it. The moral is: Never tell the same lie twice. xD idk. I thought that was funny.

@scoutiii8893 2 жыл бұрын

Careful- when calling out nuTrek simpletons, the REEEEE goes to 11. Excellent video. It’s my second viewing of it. One TOS episode that does address acceptance is the not-so-great episode of Plato’s Stepchildren… where Kirk helps ‘small person’ Alexander to see he is not to be marginalized for being different, small (and without telekinetic powers,) but to be appreciated for who he is. The episode ends with Alexander about to beam up to the Enterprise to (hopefully) begin a new life as an accepted person. (Accepted for being different.) That- in my opinion is the closest TOS ever got to diversity inclusion as a main plot line. Sorry to hear of the BS you are going thru.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

I was kind of hoping for a bit more reeeeeing so I could respond to it in part 2, but CBS yeeted the first video before we really had a chance to attract it. Most of the criticism we ended up getting was “why are you watching it if you don’t like it” and “all art is subjective so it can’t be bad”, which is… ugh.

@TrigonAZR 2 жыл бұрын

I found this channel last week and I'm working my way backwards through the videos. I didn't even watch any Star Trek shows, except classic movies (bugger off J.J.), yet I'm listening to this, because Your analysis are sublime. You drop a "bombshell" about Your sexuality and funnily enough it changes absolutely nothing in my perception of this channel nor does it affect my enjoyment of listening. Honestly I think that most of society aren't bothered- the issue is that nowadays, lgbtq and non white characters are written and shoved into media in such a way that it makes me think that screenwriters and filmmakers are trying to make the audience dislike them. Think Ruby Rose's Batwoman as a prime example. Anyway I really hope that this channel "blows up" because I feel that there's a need for a content like this.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I’m not sure anyone in the modern era has done as much damage to the cause of representation as those who are obsessed with representation.

@scribleman1 Жыл бұрын

Great observations, that while being obvious if you are allowing that device between your ears work at just about average capacity, you can see pretty clearly, you managed with such grace and finesse. Love your perspective from politics proper, as well, no doubt brings it all together. Also just found this channel. Love it.

@hellacoorinna9995 Жыл бұрын

_"Savage Curtain"_ TOS Season 1, Episode 22 Uhura and Faux-Lincoln's interaction on the bridge where he appologises for calling her a "charming negress" to which Uhura points out that "In our time, we've learned not to fear a word". Much like how 'bastard' has gone from 'a very serious insult, worthy of death...or at least a severe and sustained beating' to 'Just something you tack onto if you want to insult but don't want to whip out the really powerful swear-words. Or how 'Humbug' used to be the equivalent of 'bullsh*t' but now is just 'that funny word from _A Christmas Carol.

@matthewpickard6464 2 жыл бұрын

I'm genuinely shocked you never mentioned "I paid attention in science school" or "THATS THE POWER OF MATH"

@unicornactual3432 Жыл бұрын

I LIKE science, yum yum.

@matthewpickard6464 Жыл бұрын

@@unicornactual3432 SCIENCE, FUCK YEAH!

@Aweal7 2 жыл бұрын

You're extremely eloquent. Your videos are very well done, I've become hooked. You may, by your own volition, not have the full scope of Star Trek knowledge to pull spesifc examples but you've successfully articulated my attitude toward New Trek better than most. Keep up the great work :)

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks! It’s been a fantastic excuse to bone up on the franchise and its history - sourcing clips from TNG in particular has been good fun - but I’m still many decades behind half our audience!

@Moochtv 2 жыл бұрын

Wow. You've only been doing these videos for a few months?! I thought you'd been doing this for years with how professional this and other videos you've done, are. Bravo! I'll certainly have you as a guest. Just get Part 2 made first! I bloody hate Star Trek Diversity! Sorry, Discovery!

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! I hadn’t touched a video editor (not counting iMovie on my phone) until about 4 months ago. Bit of a steep learning curve, but there are some fantastic reviewers on KZfaq to learn/steal from. Very kind. And that sounds good to me, I’m always up for a bit of guesting. Part two is nearly done- it *should* be up this weekend, though that might be a bit optimistic. We’ll see.

@Moochtv 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon extra points if I interview the animated version of you lol. Cheers for responding

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

@@Moochtv I appear in no other form!

@My2Cents1 2 жыл бұрын

The only thing I have to say to the ST: Disc writing team is... "There are FOUR LIGHTS!!!"

@leonidas7196 Жыл бұрын

now imagine that episode starring new "Picard"......

@purgatoriprytania5382 Жыл бұрын

As a beyond-conservative, extremely white, super-'straight' male getting on in years who doesn't agree with very much of the politics of new-or-old Star Trek, and yet who is a gargantuan fan of old Star Trek, it's safe to say that merely disagreeing with said politics is not why I hate new Trek. I hate new Trek because the politics is so moronic and heavy-handed. I may have disagreed, fundamentally, with the political, anthropological, and even metaphysical, premises of old Trek, but it challenged me in ways that I appreciated-I also adored its optimism. New Trek, on the other hand, just preaches---or rather screeches---at me and in such a strident, unexamined way that it's very easy to dismiss, and even easier to switch off.

@carlo6787 Жыл бұрын

The tubby lady winning the on ship marathon sums up everything about this show

@RobertWilliamsRGW 2 жыл бұрын

im like ya know ill watch a 2nd time to show support ...then that new intro.. classy. this is the content we are here for.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Well, what else can we do?!

@scottjoseph9578 Жыл бұрын

DeForrest Kelly stated that being a role model for future Doctors was a fantastic effect of his performance. I've met Gene Roddenberry when I was at TCU in Fort Worth. Delightful man and lecturer.

@JadeRabbit-je4gd 2 жыл бұрын

I am so glad I found this channel. This video is perfect to provide people a link to when they ask what the problems are with Star Trek Discovery, granted most of them won't watch it anyway. I get asked that a lot as I'm very vocal about my distaste for the show (as well as most of modern Trek), but at this point we're four seasons in so my complaints are almost too numerous to remember offhand. It's nice to have a concise collection of issues ready to go, and in a format too accessible for a lazy person to have a legitimate reason not look into. Thanks, I can only imagine how long this video took to make lol.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

A bloody long time, I can tell you! And then it was torpedoed by CBS, who looked at all that work and thought, “wouldn’t it be a shame if we filed another false copyright claim and got it taken down for two weeks!” Glad you liked it, anyway! Part three should be up on Sunday, all things being well.

@MrDj232 Жыл бұрын

I suppose the most obvious case of old trek doing politics well is the "first televised interracial kiss" of the TOS episode Plato's Children. The moral of the episode is that appearance doesn't matter, actions do. It gets a lot of hype for the kiss between Kirk and Uhura, but that largely seems to be a result of the actors commenting on NBC opposing the kiss. Supposedly the studio didn't want the actors lips to touch and was worried about TV stations in the south complaining. Except by all accounts there were almost no complaints about the episode despite it airing in 1967.

@fasillimerick7394 2 жыл бұрын

In Star Trek IV: The One with the Whales, I saw a a Black woman as a starship Captain. If I had been asked at the time how I felt about that fact I wouldn't know how to answer. I had no idea no idea it was a big deal because, to me, why wouldn't there be a Black, female starship Captain. In reruns of original Star Trek, I saw an integrated crew (much like my actual military service). It was presented as the way things ought to be, now let's go explore the galaxy. I'm not a professional writer, but I know the axiom "show me, don't tell me". New Star Trek product shows me, then tells me, then reminds me, and finally tells me how I should feel about it. Roddenberry was clever. He made a quality product that (usually) seamlessly incorporated social commentary. Discovery, et al. is ham-fisted commentary wearing a Star Trek skin suit.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. It doesn’t even have the courtesy to assume the audience are intelligent enough to pick up on its message without it being shoved down their throat, spoon and all.

@captainexcabier 2 жыл бұрын

It's kind of hilarious that as bad as early TNG could be, it still manages to outshine nuTrek.

@robertbryant4669 Жыл бұрын

There was an episode of DS9 with the following premise: Dax meets the current host of the symbiote that inhabited the spouse of one of Dax's own previous hosts. The symbiotes immediately recognize each other and clearly still have feelings for each other, but Trill law forbids them from becoming a couple again, presumably because if the symbiotes are allowed to stay mated to each other (through their hosts) it would limit their hosts' choices and growth. That both hosts in this case happened to be women wasn't even brought up as an issue.

@builder396 2 жыл бұрын

58:00 That speculation about the seasons ending has aged like fine wine.

@davidbrinnen 2 жыл бұрын

"I'm doing my part." You watched it so I don't have to. Occasionally, though, do treat yourself to something you really enjoy and tell us why.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

That’s the plan! Happily these videos give me a chance to explain, not only why NuTrek sucks, but why Old Trek doesn’t. So I am trying to intersperse the criticism with positive counter-examples. Unfortunately, there’s just not much opportunity to be unambiguously positive when critiquing modern media, because there’s just not much positive out there. I’m thinking of starting an overrated/underrated series of videos, though, that give a bit more license to go back to old media in search of the good stuff. (I did one of these on the ‘78 version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers back when we launched the channel.)

@davidbrinnen 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon Righto. Well, I'll go back and have a listen to that. Something to keep me company while I work. Don't know if I have mentioned it, but I recommend you to take a listen to some of this channel's stuff kzfaq.info/love/smgy_rfqOlAz6R_wFLJzmg He provides some interesting insights - to me anyway - regarding story structure and argumentation. You might find some useful tools there that you can employ in your own critiques. Also, I think, like I think we should look to Sweden to understand where extreme progressivism goes politically, the media should look to comics to see where extreme progressivism is going to take them. ESG scoring, replacing merit as the measure of all things, and the eventual collapse of the modern West into "Mad Max" - which, at least as far as the attire is concerned, is going to be fun. And who doesn't want to drive a car covered in spikes and chains?

@bertimusprime7900 Жыл бұрын

I know I’m late to the show, but the episode of DS9 Duet revolves around a character who was oppressed learning that not all of the alien race that oppressed her were horrific monsters, and so she couldn’t judge them all based on their skin.

@YT1300MF Жыл бұрын

To answer your request LP, I offer “The Masterpiece Society” an excellent TNG episode with discussion of advantages and many disadvantages of a top down, tightly controlled, highly engineered civilization. My favorite part was Geordi’s conversations with the colony’s science expert, in which he makes a great argument for liberty, opportunity, and not dismissing someone because of a biological imperfection. You could even say his argument was *gasp* pro-life.

@jailcatjones3250 2 жыл бұрын

There was an episode of tng where Picard feverishly defended data in a trial about sentient AI having a right to exsist, you even used a clip of said trial

@dorn0531 Жыл бұрын

Measure of a Man. Great episode. I always felt sorry for Riker, being forced to effectively argue in favour of killing his friend

@PerfectTroy1 2 жыл бұрын

Space Seed. The basis for Wrath of Khan, and one of the best episodes of TOS.

@existentialgamer9206 2 жыл бұрын

As a life long leftist AND a Trekkie, I’m just starting this video and I like what I hear. A lot of modern “wokeism” rubs me entirely the wrong way. They’ve lost their materialist roots (after all, what’s more nakedly capitalistic than “luxury beliefs” backed by mega corporations as demonstrated by modern wokeism), and they’ve shown an alarming tendency towards the fascism and authoritarianism they claim to be against by viciously silencing any debate via the court of public opinion, crippling free speech and in some cases, advocating for book burning. My dislike of nuTrek goes beyond this though. It took a quietly contemplative show, focused on characters first and the message second, and turned it into a pandering, loud, stupid mess that doesn’t give a crap about characters or philosophy and tries to wow the drooling masses with frenetic CGI, explosions, blood and f bombs.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not on the Left anymore, but that’s the side of it that I still respect. It’s a crime we’ve decided to ignore principled and thought-out positions in favour of screaming, rainbow-painted gesturepolitik.

@existentialgamer9206 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon I hear you man, I don’t call myself a leftist to other people anymore, even though my ideals/politics mostly align with the classic Marxist definition of “leftist”. This Left is alien to me and so I consider myself largely politically homeless.

@whatsthejokersname Жыл бұрын

@@existentialgamer9206 Are you… are you me..?

@realistic_delinquent Жыл бұрын

That Hitchens bit was a shot to the heart for me. A source of joy and longing. Splendid work.

@valueofnothing2487 2 жыл бұрын

Most of TOS was about social criticism, some done well, others not so. Even Spock's Brain was about a society who gave it's authority to a master computer and became dumb and stupid - like us. Most of these shows were a condemnation of both single minded liberalism of the young and the racist conservatives of the old. Some of the most famous shows - like 'The Trouble with Tribbles' or 'Amok Time' say virtually nothing at all. The issues of drone warfare are covered in TOS 'A Taste of Armageddon', arrogance in small, third world countries caught in the cold war in 'Errand of Mercy', forced to provide equivalent arms to third world countries (pro Vietnam War maybe) in 'A Private Little War', peace is great, but only at the right time, otherwise it will lead to fascism taking over in 'City on the Edge of Forever', showing the foolishness of racism in 'Let That Be Your Last Battlefield', an immoral society aka The Running Man because Christ never appeared in 'Bread and Circuses', and many episodes on the necessity of struggle and hard work in 'This Side of Paradise' or 'The Apple', misguided hippies/cult memebers in 'Way to Eden', the futility and immortality of judging women by their looks in 'Mudds Women', Kirk famously quotes the constitution in 'The Omega Glory'.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a damn good list. Though I did get in a spot of trouble on earlier videos when I suggested Old Trek’s writing and messaging were not always perfect!

@racheltorres668 Жыл бұрын

I don't know why I continued to put off watching this video. You are so eloquent in your points and this is a masterpiece

@Gunnberg85 Жыл бұрын

Star Trek: The Motion Picture soundtrack is a beautiful treat to the ears. It near physically pains me to hear it juxtaposed to Discovery.

@Iduhwurst 2 жыл бұрын

This is the best critique of Discovery that I have watched. I enjoyed the "apparent" digressions! You articulated my feelings for season 4 better than I could have.

@freelancenerd4804 2 жыл бұрын

At least some garbage can be recycled…… none of new Trek can be. Good video and strong points, they have created characters just for the point of creating characters to check boxes. Not many of their plots are fleshed out and the few that are make little sense. We watch a show about aliens, I doubt many ppl care about the sex preference, gender, or race matter much. But since their story is weak this is the excuse they hold. Great video tho, thanks! 🖖🏼

@NashmanNash 6 ай бұрын

To be fair..atleast they created NEW characters to check boxes...

@silversurfer5036 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 15 seconds into your video and I'm already giving you "thumbs up" after reading your absolutely HILARIOUS "Fair Use" disclaimer in regards to the CBS Directing Hacks🤣🤣🤣🤣 and of course the visuals of the dog humping is too much (incredibly funny🤣🤣)

@ShojoBakunyu Жыл бұрын

I'm an active member of multiple Star Trek fan groups and I'm a nueroatypical non-straight Libertarian and physically disabled woman and I DESPISE NuTrek. The whole "I want marries gay couple to defend their cannabis grow with fully automatic weapons." LITERALLY sums up my ideology.

@Anthony-tq9so Жыл бұрын

This is a great channel. (thanks , Drinker). Glad to see the subs coming in thick and fast. I,m bingeing it now.

@Cipher71 5 ай бұрын

Physicist here, You're correct that the anomaly could very well be a natural phenomenon, but incorrect as to why. Quantum "teleportation" (I hate that word) is something completely different. The anomaly is behaving in a way more akin to a wormhole. It could also be a great example of Susskind's ER=EPR theory, but I somehow doubt that the writers even know what that is since they, at best, clearly have only a "science enthusiast's" understanding of science. Btw of you ever want to run any physics questions by me while doing research for your videos, feel free to reach out. I'd be happy to help out however I can.

@odojang 2 жыл бұрын

TOS Arena splendidly shows how people of good will can, even in the direst situations, overcome their based instincts through reason and compassion both. TNG The Drumhead eloquently shows how virtue itself can turn into sin from excess and personal bias. DS9 The Valiant highlights the difference between duty and heroism on one hand and on the other pride and self-agrandizement. VOY The Void clearly shows how an ideal like the Federation can come about in an empty, dark, cold, brutal universe of sheer survival; litterally. ENT The Cogenitor displays in a very intimate way the value of the Prime Directive; of the folly of imposing one's values upon another people. Oh yes there are awful episodes too in Classic Trek; TOS Turnabout Intruder, TNG Code of Honor, DS9 Come Along Home, VOY Treshold, ENT These Are The Voyages. The problem with Nu trek since 2009 it's that we only get entire movies and seasons of these... in fact, worse than these in every metric. So much that a parody of it, The Orville, is hailed as the actual current Trek show! I wanted so much for Discovery and Picard to be good; all we got was turd in candy wrapping.

@TagSpamCop Жыл бұрын

Tried Strange New Worlds? I avoided Discovery like the plague, didn't know SNW was functionally a spin-off of Disco, as I approached it as the TOS prequel instead of a Disco spin-off. I've been satisfied with SNW so far, as it feels more classically Star Trek.

@odojang Жыл бұрын

@@TagSpamCop Good for you. I on the other hand was disgusted by SNW; the abysmal writing, the almost total lack of originality, especially with the crew, and most of all the fatalistic, pessimistic, dark vision of Kurtzman. It IS aspin-off of DIS in both intent and content, giving the finger to TOS at every opportunity. Fortunately, the finale firmly set SNW (and DIS and soon LD) into the Abramsverse, not the Roddenbery verse. So they can have their Klingorcs, their monstergorns and their emo Spock. I'll have Star Trek instead. But those like you who like it, enjoy.

@the0peratoR 2 жыл бұрын

This man gained so many subs so fast I'm proud of this man

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

It’s been a pretty wild ride!

@storqe Жыл бұрын

Seems appropriate for this re-upload to mention TNG Season 3s Booby Trap. The crew find themselves trapped in a thousand year old mine field that must be escaped with subtlety rather than brute force. The crew must work in some of the most exacting teamwork trust exercises I’ve seen on screen.

@whatsthejokersname Жыл бұрын

And Geordi Laforge is creepy with the holodeck. Which was usually more Riker’s territory lol.

@muliph3633 Жыл бұрын

I truly do miss the brilliance of next generation

@noneed4me2n7 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry for the oppressive nature KZfaq exudes for the bigger clients. I use the platform to find info and content outside the mainstream. It’s also nice to know I’m not alone in my derision of the lack of quality in writing or even allowing in fresh writers or older experienced ones to better chart the course of the series. I can’t imagine Brian Fuller having done it worse.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

He did give us the spore drive, which was very silly to begin with; but no, at least the guy has a basic understanding of plot and character. It wasn’t great when he was on the team, but it’s got much worse since.

@noneed4me2n7 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheLittlePlatoon spore drive, didn’t know that was his but to be fair we won’t ever know where he would’ve took it if it wasn’t snatched from him. I don’t agree with Fullers personal politics but I do find his shows entertaining. For me I felt he at least “got” what Star Trek is about. Well as far as respecting the IPs origins. I could be wrong.

@bloodrunsclear Жыл бұрын

I hate it when even wikis have to say ‘for SOME reason this happened’ We’re paying you to write, not paying you to make us make your plot make sense

@llywyllngryffyn8053 Жыл бұрын

Jolly Good! Hit the nail on the head old chap. One would never have guess that you have only been doing this for four months at this point. I'm looking forward to more content back int he future, where I seem to have run out of current videos to watch...

@carycharlebois5965 Жыл бұрын

Enjoying your videos thus far. I may not agree with every point you make, but, much like MauLer (from whom I found your channel, so shout out to him, too, I suppose), you give well - reasoned, well thought out arguments for your positions. More importantly, you encourage actual debate; debate where people disagree, but present their positions rationally, without appeal to emotion or victimhood. Videos like yours are enjoyable to me because, although they can get me riled up, I can't point to anything you say and claim "well, that's just bullshit, because he's just injecting his moral/political/sexuality-based beliefs into the argument so he can win." They make me think about my opinions and positions, and challenge them. Sometimes, they stand up. Sometimes, they change. That, to me, is the whole point of debates, and anything that sparks that kind of honest self-reflection is a benefit to society. On a side note: Original Star Trek, as far as I remember, didn't, as you said, really touch on the sexual preferences of characters as issues - people were in (exclusively heterosexual, if I recall correctly) relationships - or not - and no real note was made of it. The issue with a lot of these new shows (Discovery isn't the only show that pushes the issues mentioned in your video) is that the writers seem to think that "he's gay" or "she's a trans person" or what have you is their entire character. Their gender, sexual orientation, race, or whatever, COMPLETELY defines who they are as a character in the show. When I watched TOS, I didn't sit there thinking "Is Spock gay?" or "Was Scotty born a woman?" because it was IRRELEVANT. Their characters and their actions during the shows were important. I couldn't give a toss who or what they slept with on their off hours. TL,DR: Cool vid. Subbed. Thanks.

@samuel5591 Жыл бұрын

Couldn't make it through 10 minutes of the first episode of Star Trek Disco but I can listen to you talk about it all day :)

@donweatherwax9318 5 ай бұрын

19:48 "It socks you in the mouth and hopes you stay plastered". Interesting place for a Harry Truman reference.

@Jgt612 Жыл бұрын

DS9 - The Duet A fantastic early DS9 episode, truly a remarkable case of growth for Kira that explored forgiveness, an excellent performance by everyone involved.

@dorn0531 Жыл бұрын

One of my favourite episodes. The ending is so perfect

@nickdarr7328 Жыл бұрын

My favorite part about politics, political parties and political terms is that as someone born in 1988 in a mid sized former industrial city called Toledo Ohio, where it's linked closely with Detroit by history, demographic and location I feel like I grew up in a varied environment. I went to Catholic schools where I learned to think and became an atheist and did all the progressive things like smoke pot and major in philosophy. I'm more agnostic these days but none of my fundamental world views have changed. And yet now I'm considered a conservative or much worse. It's all very strange

@someyoutubewatcherwitharan5442 Жыл бұрын

As seeing another channel targeted by CBS for just making a critique of some shite they created, I am now committed to watch every video you put out on Star Trek because shite must be called out. Cheers and keep up the good work.

@LWolf12 8 ай бұрын

Having the Ship Computer sing "Daisy, Diasy" would have been too smart for Star Trek Discovery's writers.

@therichieboy 2 жыл бұрын

Fascinating dissection. Very interested in your comparison between the Federation and the EU.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

I had to hold back on that point or the review would have been about fifteen times longer!

@johncole7533 2 жыл бұрын

So glad to see this back up!

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

It’s equal parts hilarious and maddening that all I needed to do was stick some disruptive text over 7 seconds of footage.

@TheDevilinThePaleMoonlight Жыл бұрын

"WE'VE LOST INTELLIGENCE, I REPEAT WE HAVE NO INTELLIGENCE" 🤣🤣🤣 I'm DEAD!!!!!

@AJadedLizard Жыл бұрын

"In the Pale Moonlight" from DS9 is still my favorite episode of Trek...unfortunately it's one that a lot of the context for requires watching most of DS9 up to that point to fully comprehend, and while I do not at any point pass up an opportunity to encourage people to watch my favorite Trek series, it's a hard episode to recommend people on its own. The idea of moral ambiguity, of a truly grey act, of whether the ends justify the means, is well-worth discussing. i *shudder* to think what that would look like in the hands of these writers.

@DblOSmith Жыл бұрын

My absolute favorite episode in all Trek as well. It's so damned good.

@AJadedLizard Жыл бұрын

@@DblOSmith Oh yeah. I just got the chance to watch DS9 back during COVID lockdowns in 2020 from start to finish (I went through it for the first few seasons when I was younger but didn't gain access to most of the Dominion War arc). I grew up hearing about how it was lazy and bad but it's one of my favorite TV shows of all time.

@DblOSmith Жыл бұрын

@@AJadedLizard Nice. What are your top 5 DS9 episodes?

@AJadedLizard Жыл бұрын

@@DblOSmith Top 5? Lemme think. Other than "In the Pale Moonlight" being number one, the rest aren't in any particular order. "Duet," from the first season, also sums up the entire series (and I'd argue, all of what Trek *should be*) quite well. "The Wire" from season two is the quintessential Garak episode, but Garak steals every episode he's in. "Past Tense," a two-parter from season 3, is one of my favorite time travel stories from the franchise. "My name is Gabriel Bell" is one of Sisko's most iconic lines. "Homefront/Paradise Lost" from season 4 ask some really good questions about what a war in a post-scarcity society would really be like. "Hard Time" from season 4 is also really good; O'Brien's at least as good as Garak when it comes to episode-stealing. "The Quickening," also from Season 4, does some great work with demonstrating just how evil the Founders truly are; I don't think I've ever hated a fictional villain quite like them. Honestly, the more I think about it, it's hard to narrow it down to just five episodes; season four alone doesn't really have any bad eggs. "For the Uniform" is the best Marquis episode of the show, and I loved that subplot. I could go on; anything to do with Vic Fontaine (especially "It's Only a Paper Moon") and "Take Me Out to the Holosuite" are some of the best holodeck episodes...it's *really* hard to narrow it down more than that. What about you?

@DblOSmith Жыл бұрын

@@AJadedLizard All great episodes, and yeah, it's hard to choose. I liked all those. Also liked "Once More Unto the Breach" as a great way to explore aging. "The Siege of AR-558" was fantastic. Probably some combinations of the your pics and mine! I'm the only DS9 fan I know in the area. I'd love to watch and just nerd out with someone! So much to see.

@saimashah5132 2 жыл бұрын

2:00. Sad to see the politicization of star trek. That kind of thinking is a bid for power, at the exclusion of the quality of the story. I think what distinguished old star trek was the way the writers framed the dilemma. They stood on neutral ground and expressed a human issue. New trek is not so discerning. It is desperate to get the point across and it is so loud that it drowns out the human element. The audience feels separated. After watching ST "Diversity", I felt represented as an 'in your face loud, over the top emotional black woman', where so many parts of me aren't like that interpretation. I relate a lot to white Picard, or Android Data or Betazoid Troi--because of reasons other than skin colour. It is hard to relate to Michael Burnham or Book or Stacey Abrams. There was in fact more diversity in old trek than ST Diversity, because of the neutrality of the writers. I get it that people want power, but surely can't they keep that desire in the arena of politics and let thought provoking writers write stories about what it means to be human? There are great writers in every culture and what makes them great is that they do NOT preach.

@name-vi6fs Жыл бұрын

Feelings in corridors, feelings in turbolifts, and feelings on away missions.

@randomwhittyname41 Жыл бұрын

54:21 This recounting of this show is epic. The visuals that make the callbacks to better shows, just *CHEF KISS*

@sholder123 Жыл бұрын

Every Criticism of this show equally applies to TNG, Voyager, etc, the amount of times they recalibrated the sensor arrays to solve some issue they had NEVER seen before is amazing, Star Trek was never designed to be taken seriously. Am not a massive fan but thought Voyager and Later DS9 were the better versions of it.

@vincentweber1359 Жыл бұрын

Dear Lord, the comparison between the TNG and STD on AI is causing me actual pain. I don't mean this hyperbolic - I literally felt a slight pain in my chest going from the hearing in TNG to... whatever STD is trying to do there. Remarkable.

@ConceptJunkie Жыл бұрын

I know I'm responding to an old video, but old Star Trek showed you the different sides of the issue. New Star Trek tells you what to think. The first is how adults tell stories for adults. The second is how you tell stories if you are at the level of a child.

@macsmith2013 Жыл бұрын

I love Discovery. My favorite episode is the one where Michael cries a lot.

@kevinmccabe7263 11 ай бұрын

As a lifelong liberal I really appreciate you pointing out that the woke politicking of this show is extremely offensive to traditional liberals like me.

@rewar5870 5 ай бұрын

Nothing wrong with being Liberal , I consider myself Liberal as well. These show producers and writers and the rest however are not even remotely Liberal in their ideology. They are in fact hard leftist Progressives. That is Totally a different animal.

@davejones9469 Жыл бұрын

At the part near the beginning, regarding the artifact "inexplicably" moving, reminds me of The Expanse. When the Ceres (or Eris?) is taken over by the protomolecule, it generates heat on one side to help it dodge a ramming attempt.

@speechprofessorx Жыл бұрын

This is the season that broke me. The twin treatment of a violent and existential threat that was to negotiated with and the ridiculous idea that a sincerely problematic AI is a "crewmember" just... it was just too much.

@themagpie_1 Жыл бұрын

as a 47yr old man who grew up with Kirk, and Spock, and spent my adulthood with Picard ( i don`t and never watched anything after TNG? i see Old Trek as a show that provoked thought, new Trek just tells you what too think. like most media thesedays..

@danielroth8738 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Platoon for making KZfaq a little less ignorant.

@user-dc3nf7rr7t Жыл бұрын

I forced myself to watch S4, and then this channel came across my eyes. Your review is spot on; I enjoyed it more than the season.

@drew4716 Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video! My friends get annoyed when I (a gay man) complain about shows and movies that do what Discovery does and shove gay characters down your throat and make being gay their only real consistent attribute. The people I see on screen genuinely disgust and bother me thinking that millions watch, and form opinions based on these one-dimensional characters. Gay people used to hide who they were because people though it was unnatural, an illness, or mental disability. Now we hide because people will compare us to these disgusting, one-dimensional, and annoying characters designed to push an ideology. The Left will feign understanding and give false praise to highly presumed struggles. The Right will show disgust, either imaging us as the extreme and single-dimensional creature as seen on TV or see us as pretenders following an ideological fad to put ourselves on an undeserved higher seat of morality.

@doughauck57 2 жыл бұрын

Posting here because #2 has already been taken down, apparently. So sorry. I did watch it, but only just remembered I forgot to Like it. I came back to do so, but cannot locate it, on your Videos page or anywhere else. To CBS: Huzzah and well done, gentlemen. Truly, the rest of us have learned to duck when you swing your big… selves… around. To LP: Thank you for this latest effort. I enjoyed it immensely and shall Like it at the first opportunity. Until then, keep up the good work, and I look forward to the third installment.

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Very kind! I’ve stuck a second version up but if they’re in that kind of mood there’s no telling how long it’ll survive.

@masaharumorimoto4761 Жыл бұрын

Saw you on Drinkers stream, heard you talk about the tits of desperation and knew I had to check your channel out :) This video is right up my alley, going to watch all them today, gotta go grab some sodas and chips at the store LOL.

@lokiswager Жыл бұрын

I can't believe I just heard the greatest summarization of my problems with the label of "queer" AND the issues with modern writing in the beginning of a video about Stark Trek. If I wasn't already subscribed I would be signing up for more right now.

@leonielson7138 Жыл бұрын

Another season ended, and Burnham didn't wake up in the penal colony she should have gone to at the end of the first episode ... which means we probably have another season to dread.

@meowmeowmeister Жыл бұрын

Watching the LP critique videos, has become more entertaining than actually watching the shows they critique. Thanx for a most pleasurable dosis or common sense.

@MidnightSt 2 жыл бұрын

I maintain that star trek was never political. It has always been philosophical and moral, which, to those incapable of philosophy, and lacking morals, will seem to be the same as being political. Just as well as to those same people, being political will always seem as being moral and philosophical. And that is the reason why they see no difference between Discovery (which is political but not moral nor philosophical), and old star trek (which is moral and philosophical, but not political).

@lastdimestudios 2 жыл бұрын

Great job getting this back on!!

@TheLittlePlatoon 2 жыл бұрын

Thankfully, given they only (and stupidly) claimed around 7 seconds of footage, it didn’t take long!

@TheReelDealwithTomKonkle Жыл бұрын

I really love your essays

@andrewebear4312 Жыл бұрын

Happy to watch any of your videos a second time regardless! Thanks for putting out such great content :)

@threshngo Жыл бұрын

You deserve WAY more subs

@Unsinkable2.0 Жыл бұрын

Old Trek is a massive part of my life. It opened my eyes to what could be possible and what kinds of old thinking would oppose true and constructive universal cooperation (if not a bit idealistic). Hell, it was the first series to show interracial kissing and all genders wearing mixed and unique uniforms of their choosing. But they did so while also showing all of these people working together, for good causes, pushing the boundaries not only of what it means to be an individual, but of exploration and innovation for the BENEFIT of ALL. You can be whatever and whoever you want, but as soon as those choices begin to divide, it just becomes ugly. The only thing that these newer shows will inspire in people is how cool spaceships look. I take solace in the fact that no matter how hard they try, they cannot change the past.

@Cyborous Жыл бұрын

It saddens me on some level.. to see what they’ve done with the new Star Trek. even trek wasnt spared I guess #RipTrek indeed. and I’m someone that has seen the older Star Trek shows and every season of them.. repeatedly.. i found myself coming back to them so frequently heck even enterprise. but with these new ones.. I stopped at the picard season 1 and discovery season 1 and haven’t done that.

@jahipalmer8782 Жыл бұрын

Hilariously, I love Star Trek (in general) so much that I will completely enjoy listening to someone critique Discovery for at least an hour. And like, I loved watching Discovery. Can I defend anything about it? Not in the least. Anyway, do your worst, tell me all of the things wrong with it. Next time I watch through Discovery I'll be able to pick up crappy things that passed me by on first watch. Let's go!

@jahipalmer8782 Жыл бұрын

Okay, I added the rest of this after watching more of the video. My prob with DISC is that I feel like I am it's target audience, but it misses me. I'm a gay black dude who doesn't get bothered by political messaging being shoved down my throat. Pander to me, Trek Daddy. It's fine, I can deal with with it. BUT, DISC forgets to Star Trek well. Sure, give me that political bs, but give it to me in a super interesting, well-written, SCI-FI world with exciting stakes and stuff. Make me question the way I think of stuff or something. Ask me questions with what seem like easy answers then show me how I'm too comfortable on my laurels, all wrapped up in space stories.

@Sidhe_Draoi Жыл бұрын

Showing support to help get this back up on the radar! Thank you!

@backalleycqc4790 Жыл бұрын

Late to the party, however the best example that I can think that exemplifies "Old Trek" is by "Star Trek: Continues": the episode: "What Ships Are For". Brilliant writing, acting, and production.

@orvilleredenpiller338 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. ❤ I needed something like this in my horrible insomnia.

@saurojason Жыл бұрын

Here to support and simply say thank you for the professionalism

@carstenwagner3355 Жыл бұрын

A little bit late, but a valid entry for your list of episodes is clearly "The measure of a man".

@teddyharvester Жыл бұрын

Now that the Toxic Brood and the Drinker have made me aware of you, it's time to make my way through some less recent videos of yours. Never too much content elaborating how new Trek is utter shite. And that voice. Umm, so smooth.