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2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R Review | Lessons learned
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Күн бұрын2020 KTM 1290 Super Duke R Review | Lessons learned: Having ridden the beastly SuperDuke R for 2 weeks in the summer I got to know the bike quite well, in my final video on the bike here are the lessons I learned....not just the good stuff but the not so good too!
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@alegio3 3 жыл бұрын
Owners can readily improve 2 items mentioned in negatives: lcd screen can be set to night mode all the time (orange background) and the handlebars have a second set of mounting holes to bring them closer for enhanced comfort. I enjoy my 1290r 3.0 very much and is a big improvement over the 1.0 that I also owned.
@Jim-hm7fb 9 ай бұрын
The forward 'racy' bar position suits the bike. I've seen lots of people who have tried the 'comfort' setting going back to the original as you need the forward weight bias to manage the bike.
@Kickassdave 3 жыл бұрын
I love your reviews as they are more aimed at someone like me who isn't ripping it up on tracks week in week out, or racing through country roads with my knee down. I can relate to what you say in your reviews. Another great and honest review. Thanks!
@patdwyer6274 3 жыл бұрын
Agree totally.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that - I too get fed up of all the wheelie/track day stuff you see on so many KZfaq channels (mostly form pro journalists) - in the real world most people don't have the skills/desire to ride like that (I don't) and I try to cater for real-world!
@t4ketsuru 3 жыл бұрын
those i dont really like how the bike already has the softwar, but you have to unlock it via "pay wall". Its like the farce with the BMW planning to make heated seats where you pay a subscription to use it
@agrajag868 17 күн бұрын
Hi, the front brake lever, looks bent, sideways on, Looks a bit odd to me. Cheers
@Rayk76 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait till u review the 2021 s1000r and new Tuono 🤘
@adrianroberts4287 3 жыл бұрын
And the 2021 monster
@billcotton1551 3 жыл бұрын
The sunlight hitting the bike makes the orange and blue pop.
@grumpsrides6074 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, a factory fitted Akrapovic exhaust can, won't be much louder than stock, as it has to meet the same noise/emissions requirements as stock. Better to save the money, and fit your own aftermarket can.
@Kurlach 3 жыл бұрын
Nice balanced review Andy. I absolutely love mine but don’t disagree about the negative points (although I am taller and find the riding position bearable for long treks). Overall, it’s a great bike and I’d advise people to go for a cheaper Austin Racing or SC Project slip on, both of which have better sounds. Good vid 👍🏻
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Good call on those exhausts Chris!
@Icem4n84 3 жыл бұрын
I got the AR can on mine. Personally I prefer the look and sound of it. It's cheaper too!
@whittlad 3 жыл бұрын
I second the AR can and it sounds epic and if you ask AR nicely you might get a discount👍
@1ridgy 3 жыл бұрын
Had Austin racing can on my RSV4 factory, loud, very loud 😎
@mrkang4080 2 жыл бұрын
Am I the only man with any sense? AR is simply the worst exhaust on the market... sound like shit, brutally loud, and looks just awful. Nothing competes with the Akra from a performance perspective, but you're all squids for focusing on sound over performance. Unreal, I'm shook.
@ourspanishadventures 3 жыл бұрын
Good review once again Andy as always very informative. Something I've noticed over the years is that you don't have a tendency to repeat yourself that I really like. Ride and stay safe. Lewis
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Gill - appreciated!
@robertakerson7186 3 жыл бұрын
That deal about having the parts all on the bike but having to pay extra to actually allow them to function seems to me to be a way to hose the consumer; not a good recommendation for KTM in my opinion!
@simondhar8021 3 жыл бұрын
Hi the aggressive riding style can be changed simply by moving the bars to the closer position to you as there’s two lots of holes there to change it and if that’s no enough you can then tilt the bars up more so this gives you the same sort of riding position like the gen 2 hooligan mode 👍🏽👊🏽✊🏽
@kmfiz 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info
@59pontiac68 3 жыл бұрын
Owners Manual recommends that the bars be in the forward location for Track use - is this the factory (showroom) position ? I bought mine used - bars were in the forward location, but unsure if this is "standard" ?
@kmfiz 3 жыл бұрын
@@59pontiac68 yes my 2020 were in forward position when I bought it new.
@59pontiac68 3 жыл бұрын
@@kmfiz Great - thanks for the confirmation. Kind of implies that moving the bars to the rear position is potentially less stable (?)
@Trevor_Austin 3 жыл бұрын
Charging you for features already fitted but disabled means KTM is a company whose products I will avoid. Chiselling customers means they have mean, penny-pinching management which instantly means they can not be trusted.
@eubikedude 3 жыл бұрын
It's not chiselling customers, it's letting you add it when you want it easily. Much less labour to add to every bike at production.
@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 3 жыл бұрын
Just think if they took tips from a certain electric car company that allegedly disables such electronic add ons when the vehicle is sold to another user. Only for the new owner to have to purchase them again should they want them.
@Trevor_Austin 3 жыл бұрын
@@eubikedude I disagree. All of these features have been installed but disabled. Their cost of manufacture has already been taken into account. No extra components will bolted on, no additional parts added, no work required. An example of this greedy chiselling was IBM. In the 1980’s they were the biggest computer manufacturer in the world. They’d install a computer system and a year or so down the line “rent” you an upgrade. Depending on how much you paid you could quadruple the capacity of your hard-drives and cut access times down by 75%. This work consisted of removing inhibiting jumpers on control panels and an a upgrade of the O/S (which was merely inserting a few characters) to enable the “improvements” to take place. IBM are no longer the biggest computer company in the world. Their customers found better (more ethical/less unethical?) suppliers.
@Trevor_Austin 3 жыл бұрын
@@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse Absolutely. This “theft” is what aircraft manufactures do. If you want to fly it at less than minus 60ºC you must purchase it. It’s a change in the manual. Use a different towbarless tug, you purchase the change the change in the manual. The same is done for engine thrust, operating weights, take-off performance and so on. And you pay per aircraft. Thieves! And as for airlines, they are no different. Search for “If airlines sold paint”.
@nicomonkeyboy 3 жыл бұрын
That paint job is enough reason for me...
@gregbrickl 3 жыл бұрын
Your number plate is a little small. UK needs to increase the size by about 10% so you can see it clearly from space with the naked eye.
@dougie1325 3 жыл бұрын
Haha, it has to officially be tea tray size. If you can’t fit an English afternoon tea with cakes and sandwiches then it’s too small.
@billypower3349 3 жыл бұрын
😂 😂 😂
@mickthemaverick5998 3 жыл бұрын
The thing that concerns me about "pay extra to have it enabled" means that amateur hackers are going to try and hack into the software themselves to enable stuff which could result in dangerous accidental alterations to the software. Not a sensible path to go down in my view!! Great review Andy although I still don't like the looks!1
@4tech69 3 жыл бұрын
As far as I understand the software update has to be downloaded to be installed. It's not actually on the bike. Even if they could get into the ECU they couldn't trigger the download without very specific information that isn't on the bike, and if thy had that information, they would need to hack the ECU.
@iamtherealzombie 3 жыл бұрын
@@4tech69 I don't believe that is the case, at least in the past you just had to enter a code to unlock the functionality.
@tomtraynor5384 3 жыл бұрын
Fiction. No. Do you think KTM would want that liability? If you can’t afford the $750 track pack which a good dealer will discount for you-you have no business buying one .
@headlesshorseman2165 3 жыл бұрын
Straight pipe needed!🤣🔥 I own a 790, but I and I definitely do not agree with the options it’s daylight robbery with the 1290.
@Kickassdave 3 жыл бұрын
When the 790 comes WITH a quickshifter, then yep.. absolutely agree... they are taking the mick asking you to pay extra for those items!
@soupdragon1 3 жыл бұрын
Austin Racing Can only on the 790 sounds brilliant check my vid if interested best one you can get for 790 imo
@soupdragon1 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kickassdave The 790 does come with a quick shifter and all modes enabled.
@maxflight777 3 жыл бұрын
Noisy bikes damage motorcycling.
@scaff3450 3 жыл бұрын
bit picky on riding position and exhaust great when baffle is out agree with having to pay for track mode etc not good Had mine 6 months now and still smile every time i look in garage and when riding great bike Love it
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff! Enjoy....
@billybean7488 3 жыл бұрын
I love mine and agree with you 1000% about the slip on Akra, I specced mine with that. HAted the sound so just sold it and gone for the full Akro Evo system. Looks and sounds awesome. Trouble with that is when that is fitted (as its not a road legal system) and they upload the KTM Akra map the bike wont start if indicators are connected. Like most things there is a work around by fitting a 10 sec relay loom but we shouldn't have to do that. Having said that the Full Akra system is a complete game changer! Other mod I made was to raise bars 25mm, make a huge difference to the aggressive sporty position in my view. keep the vids coming!
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Crikey what a load of faff!
@LambChopRides 3 жыл бұрын
Fair points Andy, only negative you mentioned I dont agree with is the riding position. I like the semi forward riding position saves weight on your arse and it's more comfortable longer distances
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Try it with short arms Chops!
@LambChopRides 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer yes good point!
@markbaker5221 3 жыл бұрын
Move the position forward on the handle bars simples👍🏻
@SPCOOPERR 3 жыл бұрын
Out of all the independent British KZfaq motorcycle vloggers you always have been and still are the best when it comes to reviews! Not even in the market for a 1290 but still watched anyway because KNOWLEDGE IS POWERRRR :D That Blue and Orange colour scheme looks far better, the blue pops out in the sun! And that switch-gear looks like a good move forward.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
That's very kind of you Shaun, thank you very much (made my day!)....
@SPCOOPERR 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer you're welcome! It's worth mentioning your videos on the Street Triples helped make up my mind also.. had my '15 Street Triple RX for about 2 years now and loving it.. Just debating sports touring rubber to replace the Rosso's..
@hedgehog3900 3 жыл бұрын
So happy to see the "negatives" list is not just paying lip service. This is as i am sure you know very important to those of us (and that is most i would say) that can think in a joined up manner. good stuff.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
I try and convey the things I would look for if I were thinking about buying the particular bike concerned....
@bradleyalexander5821 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed having to pay extra for a software upgrade to use, essentially parts already there, is a kick in the bum. Especially a bike that expensive. On principle alone, I’d trade my dollars elsewhere, if in the market. I believe the review aspects of the channel are indeed a great resource for anyone looking at any of the many bikes you show.👍🏼 😎 🇺🇸 🌎
@HippoDrones 3 жыл бұрын
I do like the super-nakeds, very much looking forward to the new Speed Triple 1200 being announced next week! :-)
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned - I shall have a video uploaded as soon as the bike is announced!
@tomtraynor5384 3 жыл бұрын
Riding position: Thank God you can get a $24 dollars 1-inch up/3/4-inch back handlebar riser in orange even.
@jimkim23 3 жыл бұрын
You can change the handlebar and footpeg positions, looks like that bike is in the most sporty setting 😜👍
@52yamahar1 3 жыл бұрын
So you can set it up for a more upright riding position for longer rides?
@jimkim23 3 жыл бұрын
@@52yamahar1 yeah, and the footpegs can be moved up and down for a better knee angle 👍
@MrMikey1703 3 жыл бұрын
G'Day Andy, Great Wrap up. Bought mine last October. The Handelbars can be moved back about 15 mm which really helped with the canted forward feeling, but I totally agree that the Akrapovic pipe is very disappointing, considering I paid $1500AUD. My Dealer refused to charge for the "electronic extras", but threw them in. All in all, I'm incredibly happy with mine even though it took me 5000klms to get used to how insanely powerful she is.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes amazing bit of kit isn't it - ride safe!
@Gambo916 3 жыл бұрын
A big Thumbs Up on the correct pronunciation of the Ah-Krap-Oh-Vitch pipe this time Mr Flyer. Whilst I like that KTM focus on the high performance aspect of their bikes (something that personally appeals), the things that put me off buying one (either new or secondhand) are the numerous and well documented reliability problems they get with gearbox issues and porous crankcases, even at very low mileages. Those are most definitely not easy or cheap fixes, so I feel KTM need to get their act together on that score before bringing out the next new whiz bang model with a big price tag.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Fair enough!
@peterhird3542 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy, Thanks for the review. I’ll be in the market to update my ride shortly and this bike was on my short list. I’m in agreement that after paying a premium price you still need to pay extra for features that are already fitted. I was surprised to hear that the riding position was slightly aggressive. I can suffer from lower back issues at times and this maybe a deal breaker. No use getting a new bike that causes discomfort. You’ve given me food for thought...thanks for enlightening me 👍. Keep up the good work. Cheers 🇦🇺
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned for my StreetFighter reviews soon....
@Syncronizeification 3 жыл бұрын
When TMF does videos in the nice weather..... Makes me really S.A.D :(
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Me too - roll on summer!
@mbpm6135 3 жыл бұрын
I was very much a victim of the marketing department when I bought my second gen in '18. Just had to have it, so I did. I agree on the sentiment of the electronic packages. Despite that, I bought the quickshifter and Akra mapping. The track pack is still on the list. No I don't like spending several hundred for a coded paywall, but holy hell, that quickshifter is GOOD. There's a lot of complicated tech involved in smooth downshifts. Nonetheless, I think KTM is doing themselves a disservice selling these things separately. If they were standard, they'd have a MASSIVELY strong sales argument over the competition. The grand or so that these packages cost combined probably aren't that big a deal on top of the MSRP when you look at the prices of the Tuono / SFV4S / MT10, but they DO annoy everyone when purchased separately. That same grand could be used on a stiffer steering damper or better fork internals. Areas that aren't quite as good as that absolutely bonkers addictive engine.
@lovelessissimo 3 жыл бұрын
I understand that manufacturers are in the business of making money, but it is quite telling that they paywall an electronic code. They had to go out of their way to equip the bike with a quick shifter, then make the conscious decision to simply make it inaccessible.
@timhaslum7461 3 жыл бұрын
Great review as always, one piece of info id like to see on a review is how far the bike will go on a full tank of fuel, I appreciate this would only be possible on your long term reviews. I have an MT10 which I love but if I had known just how often i’d be stopping for fuel I may of looked at other bikes. I like the idea of a Super Duke but would go for the GT just because of the larger fuel tank. Love the channel, keep up the great work.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim, will do!
@Neil1052 3 жыл бұрын
I can see why fuel range is an important issue, the Empty Ten is aptly named 😂
@timhaslum7461 3 жыл бұрын
@@Neil1052 the dealer told me this! After I handed over the cash 😂😂😂
@Robbiemoto 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure if you’re aware but there are two positions for the handlebars. You have to undo the handle bar itself and move the mounts back. There are two sets of holes machined in the top yolk. KTM recommend the forward ones for racing, and which I believe is the standard factory position or you can bring them back slightly which gives you a slightly more upright riding position. I myself found the factory position too far forward. And contemplated bar risers until I stumbled upon the other handle bar position.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I didn't know that at the time, but a few have mentioned it since....
@PaddyWack999 3 жыл бұрын
Loved my Beast 2.0 but was miffed to have to pay to unlock all the goodies. My Z H2 cost less and came fully loaded. As much as i'd love to try the 3.0 model I won't buy another KTM until they stop ripping customers off for what is only a software upgrade. Great review as always mate.
@pippipster6767 3 жыл бұрын
For me personally the bike is too extreme. Fabulous looking bike as you say. I have the Super Adventure 1290R. Like that riding position. No wider than a moped. Very powerful. Does everything.
@LexPips 3 жыл бұрын
Really like the KTM 1290 but prefer my Aprilia Tuono, either are top of the line bikes though. Overall good review.
@paulocarreiro5855 3 жыл бұрын
I have an '18 SDR. The sportier riding position is a strong selling point for me. I don't like the marketing behind selling software add-ons, so I didn't buy them. Was surprised when they released the 790.. with everything turned on!
@Firestorm637 3 жыл бұрын
I own a second Super Duke! Love the engine. The SD makes more horsepower and torque than just about any bike including the Streetfighter V4.until 9500. A naked bike the engine should be visible like a Lambo. The Streetfighter engine really not visible as a semi naked. SD is street useable rpm vs track high rpm of Streetfighter. SD is easy to work on vs V4’s. Great review!
@nickthequick 3 жыл бұрын
Funny thing with all you guys wanting "more sound" or "better sound" or "louder pipes" and what have you, and being willing to spend a small fortune on it. Personally I love a quiet bike (not e-bike quiet though), but maybe that's because I mostly do a lot of long-stretch touring ... I agree that it's a nice looking KTM and I also like the new colour scheme
@KevinofWessex 3 жыл бұрын
Loud pipes...show boating its immature..👍
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on touring bikes Nick, I want a nice note but not too loud. If I'm riding a hooligan bike for short periods, the louder the better! ...although my neighbours would disagree!
@nickthequick 3 жыл бұрын
@@KevinofWessex I guess we can all be a bit "immature" once in a while. I mean just being "proud" of your bike and wanting others to appreciate it the way you do yourself could be considered a bit immature, even if you're doing it in a toned down sort of way.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed.....I'm not claiming to be mature of mind (even if undeniably physically i am).....
@gareth8472 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about the software extras! It's €700 for the KTM SA-S Travel Pack here in Ireland. Crazy for a plug in change. Some might argue that it's necessary to cover R&D costs etc but for example €300 x 10 customers is alot better than €700 x 0 customers 🤷
@simonrobinson7536 3 жыл бұрын
Cracking review as always, do agree things like the quick shifter should be standard, then maybe the track pack as an extra. Love the colours
@PaulMorris-UK 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, been looking at these for a while. You sealed the deal I will be going for a black one. SC project Exhaust is on the list. Anyone recommend a decent tail tidy and some bar end mirrors?
@andrewgibbs5135 3 жыл бұрын
KTM: An addition to my garage rather than a replacement, methinks 🤔. A great review, many thanks.
@bobcarter5548 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the old orange and white colour scheme but this one sorry no. Looks like an explosion in a sticker factory. At nearly £16k asking price, paying for software upgrades is a definite no. You forgot the Aprilia Tuono. By a country mile a better bike and currently now thousands cheaper.
@alexmorgan3435 3 жыл бұрын
I think you covered all bases. How much extra do KTM ask for the QS and Sports pack? As you say a bit cheeky on a bike already costing £15.5k. For me the cheaper BMW S1000R, MT-10SP, Tuono 1100 and even the Speed Triple RS are more practical or maybe even the previous gen SDR. I don't remember you being so critical of the riding position of the earlier model SDR. The warm lazy days of summer seem a distant memory. Thanks as always.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Don't they just Alex!
@teneretraveller8980 3 жыл бұрын
Nice review. In a garage of ten I'd have a ktm, but alas, a tragic lack of spons presents this. Happy travels
@philmccaul4699 3 жыл бұрын
I've got a gen3 and think its superb, I agree the PP Akra can sounds and looks terrible, most owners stick an Austin Racing or SC Projects can on. Coming from a sportsbike background I really like the riding position and prefer it to the gen2, you don't talk much about the handling of the bike or the quality of the WP suspension but it is a revelation and really enables you to push it particularly once set up. Switchgear? The only thing I dislike about the bike is the crap indicator switch which is far too difficult to use for what it is. VFM? Even with the Tech Pack and heated grips etc its cheaper than a V4SF and for me much more pratical than a Tuono.
@Ni3K 3 жыл бұрын
Just configured BMW S1000R and closed the page, when it went beyond 20000,- EUR ...not cheaper!
@LeeXRV 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent review as ever sir! I also agree it’s cheap to make everything an options pack when it’s a very expensive bike to start with, some German car brands also do similar with expensive cars when considerably cheaper cars has those features as standard I.e. cruise control.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I understand why they do it but it is a bit sneaky....
@LeeXRV 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer it does work, I have bought many expensive german cars but I’ve done it through gritted teeth when these features are ‘must haves’ for me. I’m terrible but when I buy a bike these days if it’s available (standard or feature pack) I want a quick shifter, heated grips and cruise control.
@christophermcreynolds6001 3 жыл бұрын
An honest review as usual , thanks for that and a happy new year to you.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Happy new year to you Christopher!
@pjbaddict 3 жыл бұрын
Good review fella... Akro exhaust is pants, Austin Racing is the way to go bars come back 20mm makes all the difference believe it or not
@pistolpete6321 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic review! Love the bloopers at the end! Did you ride it in the rain at all? I’ve read recently that the TFT is prone to allowing some water to seep in, might even be a recall out of this issue.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
I filmed this back in August and I think it might be the first time I've had a bike long(ish) term and it didn't rain at all!!
@Icem4n84 3 жыл бұрын
I bought the AR can, personally I think it sounds better. Cheaper too. But a great assessment. I really like the dial to adjust the rear suspension and on the left side there is enough space to put a chain through the frame to lock it to something.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers Steve - thanks for watching and for stopping by!
@crumblymal8479 3 жыл бұрын
Like it good one Andy different slip on for sure I agree .Leaves a nasty taste 👅 havin to pay extra just to plug into a computer to get the quick shifter that’s already there , and change the bars for me a toss up between this and a GS I’d have to test ride both . : )
@frankhall401 3 жыл бұрын
I like KTM but too many reviews I've read seemd to include a section describing how it broke in some way. I've known two people who owned one (albeit slightly older models) and they spent almost as much time at the dealer as they did riding them.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
They do seem to have a bit of a reputation but I’ve personally never had any issues with a KTM...
@jimcurtis8410 3 жыл бұрын
I have found my ktm a lot more reliable than I thought I had a 2014 bmw s1000rr that I thought was going to be break but always have electronic problems so I sold it and said the ktm couldn’t be any worse and it’s very good one problem was my battery lead came loose but since I tightened it it’s good
@wheaty1050 3 жыл бұрын
hi Andy i still love my Ducati Multistrada 950s ,not a KTM fan boy always seems as the Computer Software needs updating ,also prices vary in different areas ,look out for 790s going cheap now the 890 has arrived lol ,
@portaltwo 3 жыл бұрын
Here in Canada, you can pick up a new (discounted) 790 for around $9,900 (£5,700) vs an 890 (no discount) at $13,700 (£7,900). Plus the 790 comes with the quickshifter and track pack already activated as standard. Mind you, unless price is your main criterion, the 890 is still the far better bike, IMO. 😎
@DanTube2010 3 жыл бұрын
I suspect the cat is muffling the noise to quite an extent.
@lordgibbness 3 жыл бұрын
And the huge baffle box sitting under most eur5 bikes.
@spennyy2k 3 жыл бұрын
Another good review but I would disagree about the riding position/comfort. To me it's the most comfortable bike I've ridden and can be out all day without any issues at all.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes it's way more comfortable than a sports bike for sure - but not as comfy as (for instance) the Ducati Streetfighter - at least not to me with shortish arms.....
@spennyy2k 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer my previous bike was a gsxs750 and that used to kill my knees.
@robertwbeams9929 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree with your Positives (from this armchair perspective!) and would be happy with a 15k purchase. If only the niggles weren't there, for that price. Especially paying extra for the quickshifter and Acrapovic exhaust. The latter connected by hose clamps didn't impress, never mind the weedeater sound. Am never impressed by a new bike that needs parts replaced as soon as you get home from the Showroom. Sorry for you Ducati. Compliments on a fair Assessment of this impressive machine. Compliments to KTM for supporting you.
@eubikedude 3 жыл бұрын
Say it the way the manufacturer says it. :) Software isn't free to develop and having things "enabled" makes it easier for the customer to get something without a long visit to the dealer and more labour costs. If they had OTA updates (like Tesla) you could just add a feature via your phone when you can afford it/want it.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Good point!
@NSR500V4 3 жыл бұрын
Totally with you about the extra software upgrades, if u buy a bike u should get the whole bike. But that's how cars are and bikes are following, not a good way to go. In my opinion
@anthonyfox2836 3 жыл бұрын
Great review of a bike that I’m intrigued by . I’d like to see a direct comparison with Ducati and BMW models. Thank you Mr. Fly
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Coming soon!
@peternishan1009 3 жыл бұрын
Since you're a Triumph fan boy the new speed triple may be your cup of tea We will see next week
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed - stay tuned for my bonus video on the bike at midday on Tuesday.....
@andyorange7666 3 жыл бұрын
Good review. Absolutely agree about the Akra, they aren't worth having any more, beautiful quality but they've got too quiet over the last few years and the baffles are totally inacessible now, also very expensive. A Yoshi or SC work well, AR are a bit chavvy for me. You rarely see a track bike with an Akra installed now on track days, that says a lot. The riding position is fine for me at 6'2" and don't forget the bars are adjustable. I agree re: the QS, it should be included. The Track Pack I understand more, not everyone wants it although it is a fantastic 'mode' and not just for track, I hope you tried it. Price wise, you can get a brand new one OTR for about 14.5k including the full tech pack (QS, track etc). Personally I highly recommend the SDR, I'm on my third, great bike.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you're enjoying the bike Andy - thanks for watching and stopping by!
@skts2610 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta say, I’ve got an H2SXE with a grands worth of Akro on it, I ended up stripping the can to remove the tack welded retaining bolts to then remove the twin outlet baffle.... Sounds the dogs danglies now, but obviously you wouldn’t expect to have to do that, not after you’ve paid premium money for it!!...
@rogerkay8603 3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for the mirror comment lol Am liking my little 390, if I go back to one bike for all tasks I'd be tempted to weigh in that and the XSR700 against a 790 Duke......
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry Roger...at least I'm consistent!
@rogerkay8603 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissendenFlyer Consistently good too Andy.
@docmarten8382 3 жыл бұрын
Ooops! Late to the party... Well, well, well Mr Flyer, you’ve set the cat amongst the pigeons in my world. Dilemma I’d say, noting your observations it is definitely time to take a test ride post C-19 lockdowns. TBF... not TMF! You have presented a well balanced and fair appraisal, and if I were a KTM suit, I’d be OK with the review....just need to get bum on seat to compare notes etc. Having both a BMW and KTM, I too and lets say, brand aware... loyalty? Yes in some way... but when it comes down to the choice of a bike, its as critical as your choice in comfy shoes.
@matthewoliver9055 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't think it sounded that bad to be fair, sounded throaty enough, love the blue paint finish looks great in sunlight
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
It does!
@CarlosSilva-wn8qq 3 жыл бұрын
If money is not issued between the Ducati Streetfighter and KTM which one do you pick. Love your videos, good job:)
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Stay tuned - I have a direct comparison video (where I answer that exact question) coming up in a few weeks....
@Dan-56 3 жыл бұрын
I think you can thank the Euro 5 regulations for the sound, or lack there of, from the Akra muffler. After running through no less than two catalytic converters and a pre muffler, there’s not much sound left even if you made it a straight through muffler....which it may in fact be 🤨.
@richiektm 3 жыл бұрын
I like the sound of the exhaust there are plenty of cracking deals out there on new SDR (1290 off listed price) did you try moving the bars to suit your riding style as they come with plenty of adjustments and I’m mine on Saturday
@sl077766 3 жыл бұрын
I've fancied a 790 Duke as a second bike for a while but a friend had an SMCR that went back to dealer after proving so unreliable. Same friend also got rid of his Multistrada for low speed fuelling issues which is totally acceptable with modern engine management systems (as KTM has proved). I think the exhaust, being an OE option probably still has to meet certain noise regs (at least in the eyes of KTM, if not the customers). Also agree about the charging for options that already exist on the bike - they should just add a nominal amount to cover it and have it as standard. If I could afford a 1290, I'd have one though (as a second or third or fourth bike :D )
@dsimon9s29 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for posting. Great looking bike. Maybe one of these years I will acquire one.
@dsimon9s29 3 жыл бұрын
@Viktor Sligo What you said and showing up with yet another bike might result in my wife sending me to sleep in the backyard without a tent. (it is winter here) :) Granted my current stable is not as numerous as TMF's, but saying "honey bunny, the love of my life, TMF has a bunch of bikes. Why can't I have more? His wife lets him!" usually invokes the answer of "are you a lemming? if TMF jumps off a cliff, are you going to jump right after him?" to which I would answer "depends on which bike I am ridding". It kind of goes downhill from there. :)
@haraldbraunberger1538 3 жыл бұрын
Great review! The sensivity of switching the display between day and night mode already drobe me crazy on my previous SDR 2. Much better noe but still not 100% good. But this is a minor point on the list of negative points of a bike. I agree that the newly designed switches are an improvement, though theway they operate the menu has changed. So you need to get used to it. Not big deal but I noticed this immediately. The indicator dwitch has not enough resistance. You often have to double check if it has been activated or not. There is no "reaction" in terms of pressure or a click. I installed handle bar risers just right away. I felt that the riding position is too much leaned forward (for a short guy like me ... as you ;-)). The quick shifter is great! Best one ever used. Smooth as silk. Anothe rnegative point is that there is no longer any space to mount a sat nav. At least not an acceptable position for me. Will give it a try using a SP Connect system to mount my mobile phone (with an anti vibration module. I also think it´s a great looking bike. Not cheap but worth the money. Looking forward to riding it again whe the weather gets a bit better.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Great feedback - thanks Harald!
@jamesrobinson46 3 жыл бұрын
I'm with those who can't stand KTMs business practices around electronic features. I like a lot of KTMs and still think the Duke 390 is the best learner bike on the market... But I'd never buy a KTM again until they stop this rubbish. Paying to activate a feature that's already on the bike (and is relatively standard nowadays like quickshifting!) is absolutely garbage and should be punished by us as riders by avoiding them until they change.
@robertprosser6856 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed👍
@marklloyd9472 3 жыл бұрын
Great review it is a lovely looking bike as you said the blue looks fantastic. To fast for me these days I'm a little like driving miss daisy
@rodolfomtzl 3 жыл бұрын
Great review as always, are you reviewing the new Trident any time soon? I’m really interested to get one
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Not soon I don't think as bizarrely they don't have one to lend me, but at soon as Triumph have one, then yes (I keep asking!).....
@SteffanHarries 3 жыл бұрын
I think the Akra exhaust sounds great! Sound is as subjective as looks I guess 🙂
@danielryan5384 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I think Akra are overrated, sound too similar to oem . AR +SC sound Awesome !
@connor6766 3 жыл бұрын
Theres a setting to keep it only in night mode, if thats you're a bit annoyed of it keeping changing on you.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes thanks for that - someone else mentioned - that's that problem fixed then!
@soupdragon1 3 жыл бұрын
Good series of reviews on the 1290 thanks and agree its a fantastic bike
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@pietin4321 3 жыл бұрын
i got Autin Racing on mine - delightful light and most importantly orange :) + half the price of Akropovic - i got the GT some good bargains on previous versions to be had right now
@PhilC184 3 жыл бұрын
I love the side view, looks as muscular as Desperate Dan, not sure about the front view where the TFT is attached, looks a bit cobbled together and a nightmare to keep clean. Love the overhanging flanges, fnarr fnarr :)
@fraserhardmetal7143 3 жыл бұрын
As always an expertly balanced review - one thing that did occur to me, that would perhaps give an overall benchmark to any of the bikes you review , would be a " Flyer 1 to 10 would I buy it ? " score. Don't want to make life any harder for you , but it would help us less fortunate armchair experts make a bit more sense of what is quite a complex subject. Maybe a bike score would stop the nay sayers who accuse you of unbridled praise in all your reviews. Also, good to see how your score would compare to MCN - after all, you've done enough of this to have a respected opinion. Best regards. :-)
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the suggestion Fraser...and for watching!
@motorjack141 3 жыл бұрын
How come all of the aftermarket full exhaust systems I've seen of this bike also have a huge cat on it? Also, can you remove the stock cat with bolts or is it welded on?
@LonelyTreeSunset 3 жыл бұрын
Euro 5 homologation requirement.
@sagarthapa3765 3 жыл бұрын
Check Austin Performance Racing Exhaust, they did a really good job with the 1290, the only one in my opinion
@mickangel3945 3 жыл бұрын
There are aftermarket full systems without a cat.
@motorjack141 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but I haven't seen anyone uploading yet. I did see one without a cat on the AR page. Anyway I don't have an SDR, I'm currently on an RSV4(got some vids on my channel), but might sell it and buy a z900rs cafe, SDR is still out of my price range for now. :(
@sagarthapa3765 3 жыл бұрын
@@motorjack141 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e5p5jLCUp86ldJc.html&ab_channel=AustinracingExhausts By the company themselves but wayyy better than stock or that Akrapovic nonsense both in looks and sound
@lttraxler2994 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Andy, thanks for reviewing the SDR. Having owned one for about 7 months it was interesting to listen to your views. As for that travesty of an exhaust, I agree with you on the underwhelming sound, but disagree on the looks. It’s awful! Just as ugly as the stock one in my opinion. With regard to the quickshifter, most decent dealers would hopefully chuck that in for free at point of sale. Mine did anyway. Totally agree about the reservoir covers. Most owners will swap those pretty quick for the anodised power parts. Anyway, totally love mine, so thanks again!
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Glad we concur! Thanks for watching and for stopping by....
@ghowells5433 3 жыл бұрын
Great review, really comprehensive. Would you take the steetfighter or the sdr.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Have to wait for my StreetFighter v SDR video coming soon!
@Dombennezon 3 жыл бұрын
Did you need to the loo while filming this one. You seemed in a mad rush. 😁
@cport955 3 жыл бұрын
The TFT going to night mode easily seems to be an adjustment from 2019. My 2017 Super Adventure took a while to switch but my 2019 GT switches easily. Oddly the quickshifter and blipper are standard on the GT.
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Odd that...
@critch. 3 жыл бұрын
I think Akra exhausts on the 1290 engine aren't that great. The Arrow exhaust sounds the best for me on my SAS and is much cheaper, plus when you roll off you get lovely burbles pops. Sweet music 👍
@aidanogle 3 жыл бұрын
no subtitles :-( might not bother many but I really need them. Assume an oversight as theyre normally on. Keep up the good work though. Thanks
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Nowt to do with me!!
@dannyracer25 3 жыл бұрын
Yet another excellent review from Tmf nice and sunny lovely ktm price is bit high I'll keep with my mt10 at moment. Thanks from danny
@rolandbarzegar4667 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, probably too much of a bike for a beginner like me, but love it nonetheless. BTW where are those sunnies from?!
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Glasses direct - the cheapo on-line place.....I have loads of different pairs from them....varifocals too none the less!
@kevskibiz 3 жыл бұрын
Great looking bike and I am it rides like a premium bike... but 16k not sure 🤔
@huskypoop4917 3 жыл бұрын
mr flyer their nice bikes the only changes i would make is a tail tidy
@deviantrider9309 3 жыл бұрын
Strange you didn't mention the aprilia tuono 1100 v4 when comparing its competition it consistently wins the main stream tests year on year for a reason certainly be where my money was going if i was looking at a super naked considering the deals you can get on a new one, for now ill stick with the s1000r more than enough bike for the track & road. Want to like ktm's but these consistent issues with the build quality would put me off from pulling the trigger on one
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes - for some reason I often forget about Aprilia's - you are quite right of course, the Tuono is up there with the best of them...
@MGman100 3 жыл бұрын
Bike in that colour looks great, I thought the exhaust sounded great as well. Not sure about the overhanging flange switchgear though...
@martiniv8924 3 жыл бұрын
Apart from the fact it’s a Motorcycle, the complete antithesis to your (new) Gold wing , that’s got to be a great starter for a two bike garage there 🤔
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Yes agreed - that garage would do me for sure!
@timpilbeam9549 3 жыл бұрын
Very good review as always Mr Flyer 👍
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Tim!
@douglaswinton826 3 жыл бұрын
Hiya Andy... Keep up the good work.. Which would you buy then Super Duke R or S1000r. ????
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Not ridden the latest S1000R but assuming it's as good or better than the previous version, which I enjoyed - I'd go for the BMW (so smooth and now looks better than the KTM in my view),...jut a personal preference - they're all excellent bikes in this category....with another joining the party next week ;0) Stay tuned!
@martiniv8924 3 жыл бұрын
Akrapovic exhaust, unfortunately due to the law, you will have to butcher the decibel killer out, welded in on the last one I bought, not like the 6mm bolt/circlip to remove on older exhausts.... it does remove a lot of weight though , from the Bike and your Wallet 🤣 She looks Gorgeous 👌🏻😎
@Desmo904 3 жыл бұрын
I agree! A software activation for something that is already on the bike is a rip off. Shoddy work really.
@juanpablocorrea2042 3 жыл бұрын
You're a legend mate! Greetings from Colombia!
@TheMissendenFlyer 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings back!
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