Rings of Power Episode 6 Udûn - Review, Breakdown & Analysis - Did the Story finally start?

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ThePhilosophersGames

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Жыл бұрын

We dive deep into Rings of Power Episode 6: Udûn and discuss the references to Tolkien's lore from the books, but I also try to review the episode. We discuss some deeper Tolkien topics, like the orcs and mercy to orcs. Who might be Sauron or not and how Galadriel shined his episode.
If you want to dive even deeper into the episode, check my Analysis Stream of episode 6 tomorrow. Here is the link we are live in a moment: • Episodes 6 Analysis - ...
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The Silmarillion (1977)
The Hobbit (1937; 1951)
Unfinished Tales (1980)
The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien (1981)
The Peoples of Middle-earth (1996)
The War of The Jewels (1994)
Morgoth's Ring (1993)
The Nature of Middle-earth (2021)
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@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
It's late but I hope you still like it 😅 For me it was really a pretty solid episode and I'm curious where they will go from here. Ofc I also have some worries. The Analysis stream will be later. Shout-outs to the artists (links in the description): Kimberly80 Jenny Dolfen Art
@chook1311
@chook1311 Жыл бұрын
But this is not Tolkien!!! It’s ridiculous and a disgrace
@Enerdhil
@Enerdhil Жыл бұрын
I think the show runners love to present stuff that defies reality and logic, putting it in our faces and daring us to find fault in it. I guess they compressed the map of Mordor along with the timelines. Tirharad should be 90-100 miles from Orodruin. A pyroclastic flow cannot travel that far. Also, no one should have survived what we saw at the end of the episode, but I am sure they all did. If any of them had sense they should have climbed the hill or mountain, but bad-ass Galadriel takes it on like a man.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@Enerdhil Time compression, map compression and - finally - _mind compression!_ 🤥 Rest assured, you can still safely extinguish your barbecue with some water, it won't lead to a volcanic eruption devastating your neighbourhood.
@j.d.5626
@j.d.5626 Жыл бұрын
@@chook1311 u r 100% right
@corruptparagon
@corruptparagon Жыл бұрын
Subject Zero!?
@Mannenyuki
@Mannenyuki Жыл бұрын
Definitely the best episode so far, I wasn't disappointed by the revelation that the tunnels were dug to channel the water into the mountain to trigger an eruption - that part was a pleasant surprise to me - admittedly because Arondir laid a red herring for us when he suggested that the tunnels were used by the orcs to evade the elves stationed there and to navigate during the day. The writers get a lot of grief, so kudos to them on that subversion of expectations. I'm a bit worried though that Halbrand might in fact be Sauron now, since Adar claims that he killed Sauron. The writers made a point of describing Sauron as a Sorcerer in the first episode and keep bringing up his experiments with the Unseen World. I get the feeling that they will lean heavily into the fact that Sauron was known as the "Necromancer" too. Remember when Halbrand said that he found that pouch off of a dead man? What if he's being literal? What if Halbrand was dead and his child was sacrificed in a ritual similar to the one in the Shadow of Mordor game to bring back Sauron. Who knows maybe those cultists from the last episode might even be the same ones that performed the ritual with Halbrand and might be planning to use the Stranger's body as a new and powerful vessel for Sauron's spirit. Either way this episode definitely hooked me into the show! I'm watching HotD as well but each week I slowly find myself unironically looking forward to new RoP episodes more than new HotD episodes.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes sometimes things need time to really see how they fit into the context of everything. I have to admit though the trench now has a purpose, but I'm still not 100% happy with it, esp. after spending so much time on look at maps 😅 You have some good theories there! Yes I could imagine that Halbrand meant that kind of literally. I'm not 100% sure if he is Sauron, I hope not, but I can't exclude this theory from the realm of the possible. PS: I heard a few times now that some HotD people are in parts not happy with some details, while others enjoy it still a lot, esp. in context with some book knowledge?
@Mannenyuki
@Mannenyuki Жыл бұрын
​@@ThePhilosophersGames That's fair, I'm not too bothered as we see the water from the river gets diverted by the tunnels and flows down into the magma chamber (which tends to be well below the actual cone of a volcano). I did some research into pyroclastic flows and discovered that they can be "cold" when there's a lot of steam present in an eruption so considering that the eruption was triggered by water (Phreatomagmatic Eruption) and the distance from the eruption then maybe that's how the cast manages to survive it.
@poneill65
@poneill65 Жыл бұрын
So, when there's an evil magic McGuffin that is some kind of key that your enemy is desperately searching and battling for, and he escapes with it, and you dispatch your mightiest warriors to chase him down to recover it,.. well then obviously, you just pay that McGuffin no more mind. You don't even remove it from it's rags to make sure you actually have it. You don't have your wisest of elves and scourge of orc inspect it to discern it's meaning. You certainly don't take it to your captive and demand what it's for. No, you just ignore it for the rest of the day and then give it to some child to decide what to do with it. That's just obviously what real people would do! Bravo "writers"!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
The whole sword key thing was really nonsensical. McGuffin's gonna McGuff I guess
@poneill65
@poneill65 Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames And Imbeciles gonna Imbecil I guess (Ooops, I meant "writers") 🙂
@davin1287
@davin1287 Жыл бұрын
Let's pretend they did find out the hilt was missing, now what? Do they know who has it? Do they even know it's a key? They wouldn't think to go back to the tower and look because they don't know there's a key hole there.
@poneill65
@poneill65 Жыл бұрын
@@davin1287 You're very confused. I was critiquing the absurdity of not checking the bundle. However, indulging your peculiar ramblings,.. Don Lemonlas SAID it was a key but didn't know to what. But Don Lemonlas has lived in that tower, WITH THE BLADE-SHAPED KEYHOLE, for 70 years, so he SHOULD HAVE been able to guess what the "key" was for. (I said nothing about going back)
@davin1287
@davin1287 Жыл бұрын
@@poneill65 I'll just say I'm not shocked the words "let's pretend" mean nothing to you.
@pocophonef1379
@pocophonef1379 Жыл бұрын
How does Adar know that the old man knows how to activate the sword with blood? How two days of sail became just one day of sail? How did the Numenorians know where was the battle going on? It's a big land, shouldn't they go directly to the place where Halbrand is from? Why did Galadrial never thought of checking the weapon/artifact if she is so into finding everything about Sauron?.... Idk, there were so many little things that made the episode feel disjointed. Like it's a cut piece of different shows. At least I like the character Adar, he's much more human than Galadrial and the Hartfoots. He's trying to make a land for the orcs (whc is cool, but i hoped if it was done by Sauron himself for his own purpose)
@MikaelKKarlsson
@MikaelKKarlsson Жыл бұрын
For a brief moment I thought that just maybe the orcs would actually kill most of the villagers. Would have been a gritty turn for the story, and make more sense than the Deus Ex Machina cavalry saving the day.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
- How does Adar know that the old man knows how to activate the sword with blood? He killed Rowan so he knows he is 100% devoted. he could have told him how the sword works or he saw his arm. Waldreg has the I used the black sword scars on his arm as Theo. - How two days of sail became just one day of sail? I assume due to one day happening offscreen on the boat. We don't know in what chronological relation to the village they started their journey to Middle-earth. - How did the Numenorians know where was the battle going on? Halbrand showed them Ostirith (the tower) on the map and suggested to go there. Tirharad is very close to the tower and there are not so many villages anyway. On top Halbrand said he knew orcs were there, so they were prepared to face those. - Why did Galadrial never thought of checking the weapon/artifact if she is so into finding everything about Sauron? I agree on that, but ofc the dialogue with Adar at the end brought her to her limits and so she was probably busy processing that. Maybe someone should have looked into it before the dialogue. I liked the episode, but I agree it was not perfect. Galadriel works much better in this episode and I think she made some progress as character. Adar is though a very interesting and cool character.
@Sasch94
@Sasch94 Жыл бұрын
This episode is only the best because there wasn't as much dialogue as in the others, but still.. I don't buy it. The action scenes are great this time, believable; effects, color grading, locations are all wonderful. I can't accept the decisions made for the timeline and many others, they aren't believable, it totally breaks my immersion. As you said, the villagers teleporting from the tower behind the Orcs down into the valley, or the Numenoreans being immediately ready to ride for the village. For example Arondir destroying the whole tower and making it fall perfectly in the center of the square inside the fortress. Another is Halbrand intercepting Adar that is being followed by Galadrield from the opposite direction, can his horse teleport? Did they make a turn and we're going back to the village? Not talking about the water that perfectly follows the tunnels and has no other effect outside the trenches made by the Orcs. Everything happens just because, doesn't feel real. Not believable, beautiful, but no, don't like it. 5/10
@Facerip
@Facerip Жыл бұрын
I liked this episode better than the other ones. My favorite parts are the orc raids and fight scenes, actually. Well choreographed and the orcs look really really good.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes the orcs look fantastic! Agreed. I found the fighting scenes OK as well, though some of it was surprisingly brutal. I know though some people really disliked the fighting scenes.
@Mallarkey
@Mallarkey Жыл бұрын
Opening with Adar planting seeds, particularly in front of his watching "children" was brilliant. Added so much to creating a nuanced character.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@Mallarkey
@Mallarkey Жыл бұрын
The villagers were a collection of "all the villages from here to Orodruin" so would be a lot more than seen at the start of the season, even after splitting.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
Might be, but in this case you'd expect at least some cuts showing us people joining the crowd from other places. It's not a very good writing style if you need to make up some kind of head-canon to fill in the gaps which isn't shown on the screen.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes but I thought all those villages already wandered to the Tower? Maybe I remembered this wrong? PS. yes as @Spielkalb von Sparta said: would have been nice to then explain/show it in a short scene.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames We've only been shown two villages exactly. On was wiped out entirely and the inhabitants of the other one flew into the from the Elves abandoned watch tower to get a better stance for protection, only to give it up for a silly trap which only half-way works and is totally nonsensical. You can't bring a massive tower to fall by attaching some ropes on it and ignite them. But that's another topic. How many people live in the Southlands at all? We've only seen this group of approximately 100 people living in five houses from which half of them defected to Adar. I might be open for an interpretation this village is used stylistically as a _pars pro toto,_ but it doesn't compute.
@seasidescott
@seasidescott 6 ай бұрын
The invention of Adar makes the entire show meaningful. Tolkien struggled with his treatment of the orcs and Adar answers that in a way which I think JRR would have to acknowledge appropriate. I want to see what would have happened with his Uruk Nation. In LOTR we do get glimpses of discord among the orcs and not everyone up for Sauron's game. And unlike Dwarves, the orcs were "given the divine breath" as elves from the start. Adar is brilliant and one of the great "what if" scenarios we used to play at as kids along with "what if Gandalf put on the Ring?".
@belegur8108
@belegur8108 Жыл бұрын
what i really really start to hate are all those defenders of the show giving you this two arguments all over again: they telling us to worship all the little easter eggs the show does right, while ordering us to ignore all the lore breaking? what is it now? stay to the canon or not? and also they are saying "But the showrunners couldn't show us this or that, becasue they do not have the rights for it. Oh please shut up and think for a second. Just give us a show with things you HAVE the rights for or just do your own stuff, but don't try to out-write a man who put decades of his life in creating a world that was consistent in itself.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
You blow it in context of my channel a bit out of proportion. I don't want people to do anything (maybe snark a bit less). I appreciate the Easter eggs, because so far in many episodes besides Elrond/Durin/Disa/Dwarves there was not much to appreciate (besides visuals), it also kind of shows that some people who work on the show know the books, which some people claim the they do not. Tolkien is further a lot about details and so I look for them. I criticise the things they get wrong, but I will also praise the details they get right. How you at the end rate the show, is a purely individual thing. The rights situation: It's noticeable, when Arondir says: "it is believed that one of the Valar watches over growing things" and not says Yavanna, that this is probably due to not having the rights to say the name Yavanna. That is just part of the analysis. It seems there are restrictions and without those the show could be more precise and feel more as part of Tolkien's world imo. They does not make up for stupid writing decisions. What I as creator do is trying to explain those details to my audience, because some people watching are not aware or did not notice. What you do with this information is ofc your business. But I'm not telling to ignore bad writing decisions. But I also try to not be overly nit-picky with things I discussed already several times. As said so far it's overall not a good Tolkien adaption (with some exceptions).
@belegur8108
@belegur8108 Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames oh, hi Chris, i think my post was unclear as who i am addressing, sorry for that. I was ranting at the show runners, not at you and your channel. I will try to tone down my comments, but no promises 😁. Also great panel yesterday with Deutsche Tolkiengesellschaft. I take great pleasue in the character of Adar, as he is very intriguing and thats a high compliment for the show as he is an original one, besides him i find the interactions of Elrond, Durin and Disa the highlights in a production with very few of them. Oh, one point i noticed with Adars backstory... if he is as he claims on of the noldor from the age of the lamps and captured by Morgoth, he shouldn't know a ritual of planting seeds in advance of battle, as there where no battles at this time for ages. What are your thoughts on that? A hint that he is lying and he is one captured way later in one of the many battles of Morgoth vs. the elves? cya after episode 7
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
I maybe change my mind after a rewatch, but from my first impression this was a big step in the wrong direction. Yes, it's an action-driven episode in which finally something's happened and the Numenorian and Southland story-lines have been connected. And the secret of the sword hilt has been revealed, yes. But how bad is this revelation? You need blood to unfold the blade so it fits into an unseen mechanism which breaks a dam in some unknown location to make water flow throw tunnels to ignite a volcanic eruption? Sorry, that's not how it works. A volcanic eruption needs to building up pressure like every explosion. An open tunnel system would only lead to vaporising the water and releasing the pressure backwards through the tunnels. We've already seen the exploding fumes getting out of those openings in the village. And if the pressure is to high, no more water would flow into the to the tunnels. But aside of the physics it doesn't make sense story-wise either. The sword hilt has been passed down for generations, we know that from Waldrek(spelling?). So this "key" is centuries old. Why had the mole orcs have to dig tunnels to make the mechanism working in the present time of the story? If it was prepared in ancient times the tunnels should already been there. I can't make heads or tails out of it.
@Fuhrerjehova
@Fuhrerjehova Жыл бұрын
I don't think you should mind the physics. I mean, how come Galadriel can see further than humans on the open sea? It's not lack of good eye sight that stops humans from seeing land. It's the curvature of Earth. So I guess the world of Tolkien is flat. But then the humans would have spotted land far earlier. Does this matter? No. It's not a physics show. However, I did feel that Indiana Jones-mechanism instead of dark magic was a bit boring.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@Fuhrerjehova Please don't get me wrong, I can totally accept that Elves can see further or do other things a human being wouldn't be capable of in a fantasy world. If they'd have shown us that by some obscure means of blood magic I wouldn't been put off that much. But they didn't. Instead they've shown us water directing to a chamber of magma to make us believe that would cause the volcano to erupt. It simply doesn't work that way. Maybe I'm to "nitpicking" on such things, but can't help it. Here's another thing which bothers me: The arrows. Or their effect on people. You won't drop down if you're hit by an arrow unless it pierces your heart or your neck. PJ's films got that right with Boromir. But the way they handled here in the show makes me sick, it's always only doing the damage the script requires. There's no way an arrow with a rude tip of that size could have penetrated Bronwyn's shoulder blade. No way at all. And Galadriel on horseback making fancy moves to avoid a single arrow? Well, nice move but totally unnecessary because she's wearing a decent plate armour - which is very well designed. If her armour was as good as it looks she could've ignored the arrow and beheaded the Orc straight away. But no, for visuals she had to do those silly moves and behead the Orc from behind whilst riding in the opposite direction. It looks cool but is totally unrealistic and breaks my suspension of disbelieve.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/rings-of-power-mt-doom-volcano-water-real-1235230089/ You could make an argument for a "steam explosion" in the volcano I guess. The effect we see in Tirharad, is not do to teh volcano, but due to a lot of water flowing through those tiny tunnels below and the villagers dig those holes for unknown reasons (as trap?) so I assume that is where the water pressured up to the surface. I agree though that simply showing some dark sorcery to activate Mount Doom would have been better 😅
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames Reading that article _Jeffrey Karson, professor of Earth and Environmental Sciences at Syracuse University, who specializes in volcanic activity and has written about the role of water in eruptions_ didn't watch the show but only reacted to what he's been told about it. _If a river poured into a land-based volcano like Mount Doom, mixed with the magma and there wasn’t a way for the resulting steam to exit (like, say, if the incoming water was blocking the hole the Orcs had dug), there could indeed be an explosion._ *and there wasn’t a way for the resulting steam to exit* - This is the point. In the show we see clearly daylight shining onto the waterfall. So there has to be an opening to release the pressure of the steam.
@phoule76
@phoule76 Жыл бұрын
I liked the reveal that the tunneling was in order to dig a river channel to cause the eruption. Nice suprise!
@j.d.5626
@j.d.5626 Жыл бұрын
The plot is so contrived it hurts. Nobody check the package with the sword. No one. Why?? Cause the plot needs it. “Harbrand you have a tiny bag with a symbol? Are you the king?” “Well I don´t know…” “Long live to the king !!” why?? Cause the plot needs it The charge at daylight then 5 minutes of battle in the village completely at night. Then tyhe arrive and the sun is rising now!! This series is a cancer. Who gave these people a 500 M$ project?!?! Baffling
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
I'm slightly under the impression the writers took a kitchen sieve as a role model for their plot. It doesn't work without a lot of holes. Adar had his moments though I was able to appreciate. But even the best actors or character moments can't save badly written story-lines at the end of the day.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes it's often many small details that add up. With Halbrand you can mabe make an argument, that Míriel as queen of the mighty Númenóreans is there to legitimate the claim of Halbrand. With helping the Southlanders she also has an argument for her. The sudden sunrise bothered me as well 😅
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames With saving the villagers from distinction they are in Miriel's depth, yes. But why did they accept her endorsement to a random guy so quickly and willingly? Only because he was wearing this pouch on his belt? - The cinematography suggests it. That seems a little slim to me, Aragorn had to _prove_ he was the rightful king, not only by his heritage but also in his deeds. Halbrand's promotion to being a king over 50 villagers living in five huts seemed to be a little rushed. In the previous five episodes they've put a lot of mystery boxes into our faces. I gave them the benefit of the doubt they'd had good solutions in their concept to resolve them. But now that they've shown us the first solutions I'm really disappointed.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
@@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Yes the scene overall is a bit underdeveloped. I guess because it's not relevant. Now with Mordor becoming like the Mordor we know, the question is: do they need a king now? or do they go somewhere else? Maybe the white mountains? 🤔 Maybe there is some fancy prophecy of the true king who appears having this symbol and all aligns well. They would have the chance of telling that later. But as you say we as audience should not always need to fill the gaps ourselves. All I can hint at is, that having Míriel (and Galadriel) there +those savig the lives of the villagers adds a bit of more weight to his claim, plus him having the talisman.
@dfailsthemost
@dfailsthemost Жыл бұрын
Again, the capture of Adar should have happened in the 3rd or 4th episode. Then we could've focused on the other characters for a bit,, followed that human Adar follower now and then, and then ended up in the same place but with Adar interrogation interspersed throughout. I think he's the most interesting character. They may have wanted to keep him mysterious, but I feel he's been underused thus far. Plus, a longer interrogation would have lent itself to letting us understand Galadriel's insane, genocidal rant. He could have worn down her patience after the heroes realized that they didn't have the hilt. I dunno. I feel like there was quite a bit of potential, but it's been a slog.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes some strange decisions here. This episode could have been there earlier and having the villain established earlier would have helped a lot.
@NickNobody161
@NickNobody161 Жыл бұрын
9:30 Wasn´t it established that the users of the hilt fell a connection to it? So he didn´t need to sneak on Arondir, he just knows when he is near the hilt.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
yes possible.
@PriscilaTV1
@PriscilaTV1 Жыл бұрын
Loved the episode, loved your review, don´t pay attention to the haters. The show is flawed and I hope they make it better for second season, they learn from the things that did not work etc, so criticiing the show is completly okay, but being a downer and trying to shame people who happen to enjoy it is not ! PS: i also have nothing against people hate watching it if thea dmit it! I myself hate watched shows all the time!
@istari0
@istari0 Жыл бұрын
I give this a 5/10, which makes it the best episode so far. This is largely due to the lack of hobbits and the lack of deceitful elves and dwarves. The action sequences were OK but there's still tons of holes in the timing of things and the strategies used. Also, pyroclastic flows incinerate people, even elves who are a few thousand years old. That's some massive plot armor they will be using.
@NickNobody161
@NickNobody161 Жыл бұрын
19:00 I hope this scene works as a purgatory for Galadriel and she rises out of the ashes ready to transform and lose her tempest.
@Max1990Power
@Max1990Power Жыл бұрын
I hope she really reflects on what Adar told her. That her hunt for the evil risked turning her heart darker. And that she understanda that by giving in to hate she enters the realm of sauron/morgoth. And that she needs to be the light. ))
@dreadelectric7745
@dreadelectric7745 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed it. Still some bumps in the road 🙄, but I enjoyed the episode. There is DEFINITELY something up with Halbrand….
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes agreed. It's not perfect by any means, but over all a pretty decent episode with some strong moments that stood out for me and it feels like the actual story finally started.
@filipaantoniabaratadearauj1749
@filipaantoniabaratadearauj1749 Жыл бұрын
The leaks say H is Sauron. I hope he is, as it makes sense. I don't think there's a conflict a humane H and Sauron. Firstly, he's not in power, so, in a very Tolkien way, he's less corrupted. Secondly, he's at a crossroad. He could still choose not to be Sauron. Lastly, much like Daenerys, the character won't start as a megalomaniac. It will be a path. I'd bet we'll know who S is before the characters do.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Sauron has a history as servant of Sauron. I know sometimes people present it like Sauron really maybe was in state of struggle for a time after the War of Wrath, but I feel it's often a bit blown out of proportion.
@GD-os8mz
@GD-os8mz Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your positive take and all the proper Tolkien Lore you explain, but personally find it very hard to get past the plot contrivances, poor dialog and character development. To me it has become apparent that the writers don’t understand how to write a heroic character since everyone we are suppose to think is a bad guy, are the only characters that I have any sympathy for. I’ve never been on the side of the Sith in Star Wars so I don’t think that I’ve been corrupted yet. Again, thank you for the education.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes the writing is all over the place unfortunately, but after episode 6, I'm slightly more positive that it might get better. Though everything can happen in the show from now on and they still have some questions to answer. So a lot of screw up potential as well 😅
@lyannastark3839
@lyannastark3839 Жыл бұрын
I suspect at the very least show runners will toy with an idea of romance between Galadriel and Halbrand. Can't say I like the idea of it myself.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
As I've already said in the last stream to you: _Please don't jinx it!_ 😞
@MisterFluffyBags
@MisterFluffyBags Жыл бұрын
I imagine Celeborn would have something to say.
@Mannenyuki
@Mannenyuki Жыл бұрын
A whole new meaning to touch the darkness. 🤢
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@MisterFluffyBags _I imagine Celeborn would have something to say._ Hmm, I'm doubtful of that. Celeborn is one of the most useless figures in Tolkien's lore. But I still keep my hopes up the showrunners won't turn the show into a sitcom for teenagers. As much criticism I've got for the story-telling, I fortunately can't see any indications they would go along that route.
@MisterFluffyBags
@MisterFluffyBags Жыл бұрын
@@Spielkalb-von-Sparta He would probably at least object to a guy getting with his wife.
@dfailsthemost
@dfailsthemost Жыл бұрын
They hinted at the sunrise by showing the numenorians riding. From the east, I guess? I guess the river left them to the east of the village.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
the cardinal directions are strange. If they are already in Mordor and decide to attack from east, they should be close enough so that the sunrise can't be that far away. I found it really made very little sense (considering they should come from the west or north if they go though the Morgul Vale)
@dfailsthemost
@dfailsthemost Жыл бұрын
No one noticed that shady ass guy fleeing the battlefield
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
That's quite understandable in the turmoil of the battle. And even if someone did see Waldrek fleeing from the village, why should they care? For the Numenorans he wouldn't appear as an enemy and the orcs had other problems at hand.
@dfailsthemost
@dfailsthemost Жыл бұрын
@@Spielkalb-von-Sparta yeah, it's not tough to believe it would be possible. I guess it just seemed so fast.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
@@dfailsthemost That's a big drawback of this show they jump between location so abruptly you can't hardly comprehend it. Numenor's cavalry jumped from the riverside in Ithilien over the mountain range in like three hours or so? Wait what? All figures appear on the locations _exactly_ at the moment the plot demands.
@LoadPast
@LoadPast Жыл бұрын
The show was definitely too slow to start, i dont understand why they had a whole episode of galadriel literally treading water, but with each episode it just gets better and better
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
100% agreed. The whole Galadriel and Halbrand on the sea scenes could have been removed. But yes it really seems to get better.
@Marcus_Berger1701
@Marcus_Berger1701 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, finally a fair review. Its good to see that at least some youtubers are not entering this negative spiral of critizicing for the sake of critizicing. There are an overwhelming amount of youtube channels which claim that especially episode 6 is utter garbage. Its ridiculous. I have to say in my opinion the show has room for much improvment and naturally struggles with lore difficulties but that doesn't legitimize the whole Rings of power bashing movement. Its childish and plain stupid. Thank you for your channel. Your channel is getting more and more a staple before going to bed every evening. There is no tolkien youtube channel with such a quality. Your in depth videos of the characters of middle earth are throwing me (38 years old) back into my childhood fascination with the work of Tolkien.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Sorry for the late answer and thank you ^^ Yes The negativity is really kind of extreme. I try to follow a very easy principle: when i don't like something I criticise it. If I like something I praise it. And I always try to say something positive and something critical in my reviews. The show is not perfect, but some people over do it a little bit and there are channels who make quite a bit of money surfing the wave of negativity. People sometimes feel so extreme. If one speaks about the negativity, some people interpret it as: "oh no they don't want us to criticise the show." But that is not what I mean with negativity. It's more this one directional spiral of "snark" that gets annoying. It's totally fine to express what they dislike, but it's not like there is nothing good in the show. The problem is often, that bad and good things even out each other and we land somewhere in the middle. And depending on your preferences and how you weight things you are either enjoy it a bit more or not. I give a lot of weight to the Galadriel Adar dialogue in episode 6, so I'm far more positive towards it. And i expressed this. But ofc I also criticised their bad "use" of time, etc. In comparison to a lot of other media reception, RoP sticks out noticeably. Like it's rare that people jump so much on positive comments. I also deleted a bunch of comments, simply because people have expressed their opinion 500 times on this channel already and there is not reason to jump on every positive comment and spin the negativity spiral again. If the poster would have written: "show is just ok" or "show is bad", people would not have answered to your comment. That is a problem in my comment section. It feels like people "gang" upon certain opinions. That is why I'm especially sorry for answering so late, but I'm really behind in answering comments.
@aresaurelian
@aresaurelian Жыл бұрын
I would agree that even a couple of seconds of transitional night to day transformation for the audience would have given a better sense of time, but as we see there is so much more time flowing during scenes that it would not add much more than more detail confusion if not used regularly. I do like the show quite a lot already. Perhaps it could have been something neat for extended versions of each episode for collectors and enthusiasts, where we could have an extra hour each episode, and I think actors, directors, and the whole production team would gain a smooth refined experience arc if that was the case. But it all comes down to production time, cost, and written material - which is fragmented, rare, and requires incredible skill to create for anyone but an incarnation of J.R.R. Tolkien in his prime. An Artificial Intelligence supported database system and a whole team of dedicated Tolkien enthusiastic professors could do it, perhaps. Then it would always be a question of that compared to new and other things. But I do find the entire prospect of an enriched, embellished, and seamless lore friendly continuation of the works of fundamental fantasy and fiction writers quite interesting for the future. I dare not foresee what will come to pass considering the first age of J.R.R. Tolkiens fantastical and magical work - but I will be open for any such experience.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes it really often feels like scenes are missing. The episodes also got longer. They kind of wrote it like we had 15 1 hours episodes per season 😂
@therongjr
@therongjr Жыл бұрын
I liked this episode the most so far, even though I also felt the timing was kinda off.
@tylinspiglet4676
@tylinspiglet4676 Жыл бұрын
Great analysis, thank you. This episode was a noticeable improvement compared to the previous ones. Finally some meaningful developments happening, some good plot advance, and better dialog and pace. I liked the Galadriel scenes and dialogs, and I found the riding acrobatics much more credible and impressive than her showing off action scenes in other episodes. The laziness and incoherence with size and time annoy me greatly because it's just carelessness and lack of respect to the viewer. The contracting and expanding of numbers of villagers is ridiculous. The hundreds of riders and horses that were supposedly in 3 small ships is just silly. These things just put me off.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Thank you ^^ Yes agreed. It gets better, but ofc still has some problems, but I#m carefully optimistic.
@yiasemi
@yiasemi Жыл бұрын
Subscribed, one of the reasonable reviews of an understandably difficult subject. No hint of ideology, just common decency.
@christianefiorito3204
@christianefiorito3204 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris. Great?analysis as allways. Most interesting figure in this season is sill Adar though.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
thank you ^^ Agreed, Adar was a great character so far.
@GandoWise
@GandoWise Жыл бұрын
Awesome !!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Thank you ^^
@geir8849
@geir8849 Жыл бұрын
Good review. However I don't think the scene between Galadriel and Halbrand was about romance.
@iplaypocketfjords
@iplaypocketfjords Жыл бұрын
Thanks mate your analysis is usually the one I am waiting for the most. Re: Episode 6 - a 6.5 imo. The misgivings about the show now firmly stem from the writing that has this sense of enervation; the lack of material shouldn't be the reason to not even try & be inventive plus mentally resourceful with just avoiding basic blunders, forget being imaginative. Show looks cool otherwise. The awesome cinematography should spare some budget to pass along to department of writing.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes, I think I would rate episode 6 like 7/10 maybe 7.5/10 because of the strong Galadriel & Adar part.
@davin1287
@davin1287 Жыл бұрын
I have a feeling the pyroclastic flow might not be hot. The torches in the first episode weren't hot, the strangers crater wasn't hot. We'll see I guess.
@j.p.9522
@j.p.9522 Жыл бұрын
_It's so evil even Mt. Doom gives off no heat!_
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes they at least established the idea of fire that is not hot already. I feel when they would have used dark sorcery to activate Mount Doom (instead of a more physical explanation), this idea could have been transported better. I think the pyroclastic flow is hot, but it's "Morgoth" element is less about killing all beings inside it and more about Orcs living in this new "hellish" area.
@spacejunk2186
@spacejunk2186 Жыл бұрын
6 episodes in, and multiple episode did not need to happen to get to this point.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes I agree. They could have constructed a less convoluted setup and Episode 5 could have been like episode 3. With episode 6 the actual story actually started.
@Blazingmikey
@Blazingmikey Жыл бұрын
Thank you for another great video! Couldn't agree more. 👏 Visually this show is a masterpiece and I can imagine alot of awesome fan-fiction in my head. I'm also hooked and watch along with my girlfriend, which helps alot since she hasn't read any of the books. And she loves the series. I must say you really put it all into words what I feel is missing and is wrong. But, as I lowered my expectations it really is entertaining and nice to have a show in this magnitude. Just not what I wished for. I'm still gratefull!
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Thank you as well ^^ Yes I can imagine some parts the show work better if you don't know the books. I also see some improvement here and there, which ofc is nice to see. But yes I also had to adjust my expectations a bit (that the show is often not a good Tolkien adaptions) and then when you have a brilliant scene (even from the perspective of Tolkien's writings), like the one with Galadriel and Adar, it even surprised me in a positive way. PS: sorry for the late answer, I'm really behind in answering comments 😅
@theamazingbatboy
@theamazingbatboy Жыл бұрын
Underwhelming, is definitely the word. Quite strange to say considering the spectacular events on display, which are just shot through with a lot of mediocre story beats and disappointing payoffs. I was incredibly let down by the resolution to the black sword question, a real waste of an intriguing artifact. I like the series generally but so far it's been a patchwork of brilliant moments, with flashes of beautiful dialogue, connected by contrivances and madness-inducing time skips. I find you sometimes need to watch through a couple of times to properly enjoy them, unfortunately; they're often a bit too inconsistent (and confusing) to be wholly satisfying viewing on their own.
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta Жыл бұрын
_a real waste of an intriguing artifact._ Well said, couldn't have put it into better words! There were rumours about the sword hilt being the key to enable an eruption of Mount Doom and I felt that's such a stupid idea they couldn't possible go along with. But they did, and from my perspective it totally failed from a scientific perspective and story-wise as well. Pretty pictures can't conceal it completely.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes I know what you mean. Though I feel it slowly gets better. Still this point in the story could have been reached much faster and they could have removed quite a few things and nobody would miss them. PS: The payoff of the black sword was extremely underwhelming so far. Agreed
@Loco1307
@Loco1307 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your review as always especially because you finally found some good words for Galadriel :D (i personally liked her all along as i liked the whole show so far because i've never expected them to stick to the lore very closely. with only the appendices and some references in the LotR for the second age there is not so much background material for a at least 5-seasons-lasting show. Therefore maybe I am not so critical as so many others seem to be and I just enjoy the ride) and though it might have been predictable i also liked the sword plot. On the other hand I would not support a Galdriel-Halbrand-Romance. I just would not feel right (Although I could understand if Halbrand would go for her, because she is super hot :D - but should she not already be married to Celborn?)
@chook1311
@chook1311 Жыл бұрын
Yea that psychopathic attempt at a smile during the horse slow mo a few episodes ago was hot as
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Thank you ^^ Glad you enjoyed my reviews as someone who liked Galadriel so far. I criticised how her character is written a lot, so i hope it was not too annoying; I tried to be fair. In episode 6 I really liked her. She fitted well, was in her element, the scene with Adar was really strong and her character made sense. It also helps when the plot is driven by the characters and the characters by the plot. haha yes Halbrand can have a crush on Galadriel, but Galadriel should not have one on him. She should be married as well and already have a daughter according to the books 😅
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
@chook keep in mind that the scene of her smiling was in real time like 0.5 seconds long while riding on a horse quiet fast and they stretched it to 8 seconds in this slowmo. So imo it's to be expected that it does look very strange. They should have cut earlier or don't use slowmo on that smile shot. Actress has no chance of doing anything with her face in 0.5 seconds.
@chook1311
@chook1311 Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames ok thanks… either way the show is horrible
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
@@chook1311 😂
@therongjr
@therongjr Жыл бұрын
Fascinating for "gimbatul" is translated both as the infinitive "to find them" and the imperative "Find them!" I think this sometimes also occurs in Castillian Spanish.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
yes that is a pretty interesting detail. But with Black Speech the show has a lot of freedom.
@garethwilliams2483
@garethwilliams2483 Жыл бұрын
I think the overall arc for Galadriel arc will be the wise are not born but are forged from their mistakes. I'm hoping that over the coming series we will see her becoming less aggressive and head strong and embracing a more passive and political role she has in the lore. We as a fandom need to learn to be more patient and let the story be told before condemning it.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Yes I hope so as well. i think episode 6 was the first time I really enjoyed seeing the character Galadriel. I guess I would have wished her starting point (from a character development perspective) would not have been as far away from the Galadriel we know (it ofc needs to be far away if you make her the protagonist of the show). And further the development should have been smoother to a certain point.
@svendragon8139
@svendragon8139 Жыл бұрын
"...Galadrial really shines". Oof cringe. 3.5 / 10
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
I thought this was the first episode where she made sense as a character and her scene with Adar was pretty good. So far Galadriel often made zero sense and was unlikeable. This episode things got a better imo (as I expected it after episode 5).
@jonsharon3434
@jonsharon3434 Жыл бұрын
They’ve really botched the show a great deal, mainly with their wokeism, but also flawed writing and failing to follow the lore. Tolkien was a genius, so straying from his plot line is always going to be a mistake. Perhaps they can salvage it a little, though I think in general most fans of Tolkien will consider it heresy and regret watching it. Halbrand as Sauron makes sense to me, though I think they could have been more subtle about the possibility. Answers the question, how did Sauron manage to gift the rings to the elves, dwarves and humans. He played the part well enough that they trusted him in his guise. I think we’ll eventually see Halbrand forge the rings of power in Mount Doom, in secret, then somehow manage to gift them all to the various peoples. Likely not in this first season. Halbrand as the Witch King makes little sense to me. That would be one of the human lords that Sauron gifts a ring to. Who else would be the master smith Sauron able to craft the rings? Certainly not the Stranger, who if not an out of Era Gandalf makes absolutely no sense being in the story at this point. The Eminem character? Perhaps, and then Halbrand as one of the human lords receiving a ring fits in. So far the writing has been so contrived anything is possible. Rather than Galadriel being portrayed as a male hero with alpha male traits, I think the story would have been better swapping her with any of the elves back in the elfin stronghold. Elrond and Gil Galad were bad asses in Tolkien lore. Galadriel was as well, but in a much different manner. How they will explain her surviving the volcano eruption about to obliterate everyone and everything will undoubtedly ruin the next episode. How will any of those characters survive what is basically a Pompei incident that transforms the south lands into foul smelling Mordor? Will they fly away on dragons? Climb to a high spot so the lava surrounds them, ala Frodo and Samwise? Will the eagles fly in the save them? Obviously something saves them, and that means more characters than just Galadriel will have thick plot armor. Maybe Alondir’s time will come opening up a relationship between Halbrand and Bronwin, meaning Halbrand is not Sauron but rather one of human lords to receive a ring. But why did they portray him being a master Smith if that’s the case? Frustrating.
@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE
@EMPERORSPROTECTION-TERRA4LIFE Жыл бұрын
No you realise people like it even after the shit it got now you want to join the clan??? 😂
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
No, it's just my opinion that this episode was better in many ways and had with Adar a strong and interesting character, who also helped out Galadriel. And I have explained why I liked it in this video. I also criticised the parts I disliked and also praised the positive things I liked (Elrond/Druin) - as in all my reviews. I don't care how the reception is. I watch the episode at 6:00 am and then start working on my content.
@quitwastinmytime
@quitwastinmytime Жыл бұрын
They are grooming you. The boundaries of what you consider acceptable are expanding rapidly.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
nani? PS: it just makes no sense to repeat myself every week: lore has still tons of problems, every episode has several nonsensical elements, but imo the episodes get a bit better each time and this time we saw something like a plot that might have to do witgh what they actually want to tell us story wise. I guess my expectations are also not really high or i lowered them. But we have less pacing issues in the last few episodes, some solid dialogue, Galadriel worked better in this episode as character and made maybe some progress, it was pretty focused on one plot line. Two arcs just came together. To really reach like good to very good territory, they have to stop the nonsense though. The black sword thing was really the biggest let down. How lame was that?
@belegur8108
@belegur8108 Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames but to take the scene of Galadriel talking to Isildur as her making some character development is a bit far fetched... she has shown no sense for humility in the show at all and now she wants to teach Isildur? For me thats like another writer was doing this dialogue that has not seen E1-5 This character change comes out of nowhere and later she jumps back to be the raging revenge driven evil person almost killing Adar... the thing with the key? well, the water has to flow up-hill to Mount Doom for this to work... Volcanos are the top elevation of the area... always also the pyroclastic flow ending? sorry, but this exeeds by far my amount of disbelieve i have for this show...
@j.d.5626
@j.d.5626 Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames I joined this channel on the Philosopher hours long lore focus videos. But then this piece of shit series arrive and we throw the lore out of the window. This whole channel is based on lore, have some congruency and accept this is just expensive low quality fanfiction Regarding Galadriel, she stops Harbrand on killing Adar and literally 2 min after she has to be stopped by Harbrand on killing Adar. Why ?? “ Cause there is dark on you” Laughable. I know it hurts after waiting for so long for some Tolkien related product but it is time to accept reality.
@Max1990Power
@Max1990Power Жыл бұрын
it is 9.5 for me.
@ThePhilosophersGames
@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын
Glad you liked the episode so much. I also liked some parts of it quite a bit and it's maybe my favourite episode with episode 2 (though I think in parts 6 was better, but I enjoyed Elrond/Durin really a lot)?
@Max1990Power
@Max1990Power Жыл бұрын
@@ThePhilosophersGames i think the reason why I liked this episode better is that the script/dialogue seemed better. Words like "haste" for example. That feels more Tolkien. Also a new producer for this episode. Brännström. She is from sweden and she made the two best episodes of season 2 in the witcher.
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