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“Musically cosplaying” sounds more elegant than saying ripping off. You’re the best, Finn!

"While we all have lots of bands who influence still we all rip off Meshuggah"- Devin Townsend

“You wouldn’t download a riff, would you?” needs to be on your merch!

Blink has to be one of them. Basically every pop punk and Emo rap act ever mentions them as their influence. So many bands tried to sound like them and Tom's voice was emulated so much in Emo music.

A lot of bands copied Limp Bizkit and Korn after they blew up

"we're influenced by so many artists all the way from Architects to Bring Me The Horizon"

“You’ve probably never heard of them” about deadguy made my day. That’s like the Black Sabbath of metallic hardcore

Devin Townsend said it best in one of his songs: "While we all have bands who influence still, we all rip off Meshuggah" haha

Alternative title: Trickle Down Riff-onomics

Loving the opening effects, Finn!

So, the Screeching Weasel and Queers cover albums are part of an extended series, still going on to this day, wherein Ramonescore (and Ramonescore-adjacent) bands take turns covering the entire Ramones discography. There are 12 so far, and have been released more-or-less in parallel chronology to the Ramones releases. There's a few Ramones albums to go whenever some other bands get around to it. For the record, here's the releases: Screeching Weasel (1993)-Ramones (1976), The Queers (1994)-Rocket to Russia (1977), The Vindictives (1994)-Leave Home (1977), Boris the Sprinkler (1996)- End of the Century (1980), Parasites (1997)-It's Alive (1979), The Mr. T Experience-Road to Ruin (1978), Beatnik Termites (1998)-Pleasant Dreams (1981), Jon Cougar Concentration Camp (1998)-Too Tough to Die (1984), The McRackins (2000)-Too Tough to Die (1984) (again), The Tip Toppers (2004)-Subterranean Jungle (1983), The Kobanes (2011)- Halfway to Sanity (1987), The New Rochelles (2019)-Animal Boy (1986). Both Shonen Knife and the Huntingtons have also released full-length albums of Ramones covers, although in their cases, they didn't restrict themselves to doing only songs from one album.

Was pleasantly surprised when you mentioned Bones. He's got a dedicated fanbase, but overall a lot of people don't realize how influential he really was to a lot of big names today. Even spawning stuff like scream rap like you mentioned.

"isnt that the band that wants to be bad religion really bad?" corey taylor on nofx, 2002

Well, doomsday is Tom Searle's last riff so I'm just glad for its legacy.

the fact you brought up bones is a testament to your musical knowledge. definitely took some pages out of the metal book and made it popular in the underground world of internet rap. legend

Loved the range of genres covered here, great video! Misery Signals pioneered the melodic equivalent of the "Scronky" riff that was copied by The Ghost Inside, For the Fallen Dreams, Counterparts ect

Ah, I remember when hundreds of metalcore bands started playing reheated Meshuggah riffs. I watched a guitarist I used to know go from trying to sound like August Burns Red to jumping headfirst into the “djent” craze in like a few months. Strange times.

Finn's "I am pretentious music douche" voice is going to become his actual voice one day from doing it so much

Im surprised no one's mentioned that Greta Van Fleet is just Led Zeppelin.

I’m literally so sick of hearing the Architects riff in every Metalcore song. It’s the main reason why I pretty much prefer anything metalcore pre-2010

Finn: metal is the most closed minded subgenre *laughs in classical snobbery*

Couple counterpoints to the "metal doesn't borrow from other genres" point: -NWOBHM and speed/thrash metal both borrowed heavily from punk. I wasn't alive yet but there was definitely a contest between punks and metalheads to see who could create the more intense music; metal borrowed the speed and intensity of punk, then punk borrowed metal's heaviness to create hardcore, and they kept feeding off each other. -Sludge was technically created by hardcore dudes who heard the Melvins (watch Vice's NOLA sludge documentary) but has been accepted into the metal canon -Folk metal (name is self-explanatory)

Screeching Weasel is much more than just a Ramones emulation. They were themselves emulated by most pop-punk bands from the 90's/2000's, especially their melodic and catchy lead guitar style.

Awesome video. Doing one looking at the most copied bands in specific genres/scenes like hardcore punk, vegan straight edge, crust, etc could be neat.

9:35 “I think bands have zero obligation to know their influences” Fucking thank you Finn, I couldn’t agree with this more. I hate this shit so much. 35 year old guys who were in the emo scene 15 years ago complaining that we “don’t know what real emo is”. Like sorry I haven’t listened to every album you’ve listened to dude. Also, when does it stop? Oh, you like music? Name the first time a caveman ever banged on a rock with a stick. Great video dude, I hope no one ever notices how much I rip stuff off

At the end of the day, we all want to be Black Sabbath

I'm almost certain that Ghostmane ripped off Bones, then 1000 new "trap metal" artists ripped off Ghostmane.

Producer Will Yip had a MASSIVE role in the indie/shoegaze transition of pop punk in the mid 10s. Title fight, citizen, turnover, balance and composure, tigers jaw and many others were a part of that. Even bands like Code Orange Kids shifted into a an alt rock fusion with Will Yip.

I really like wage war but it’s so fuckin funny how Finn whenever metalcore comes up he’s like these guys. 😂😂😂

Judas Priest was sooo shamelessly copied for the whole "dual guitar riffs with histrionic vocals" trend that became power metal

More please!! I love understanding the influences of music I love! Great vid!

Man, I have so much respect for this channel. You keep mostly in the middle on a lot of topics and you’re actually knowledgeable instead of just some dude on KZfaq ranting. Love it!

Also bones is the godfather. No one did it till him. He for sure influenced alot after him.

Party Cannon got their logo from Toys R Us. Checkmate.

Love the Norma Jean mention. I know you’re probably referring to Bless the Matyr and O’ God, but I love how the band evolved with Cory Brandan to blend rock, math, metalcore, and like a million other things. Cory Brandon is a super rare talent and it blows my mind every time I see them live and he’s hitting both screams and sings with equal force and accuracy. I’d love a video on them (or more specifically him at this point), especially since their last 2 or 3 albums are some of their best works (yes, better than Bless the Martyr).

Pearl Jam and especially Eddie Vedder's singing style. As a teenager I was trying to copy it but as I got older and learned something about singing I realized - trying to squeeze your throat is not the way to go. The man's voice just sounds that way and that's that. I get a headache every time I hear some of those mid-90s bands' vocalists trying to sound like the guy.

The Melvins influenced everything from grunge to doom and stoner rock. Hugely influential across multiple genres.

I love how I always learn about new bands, subcultures, or histories of music in your videos, Finn! I would suggest bands for a volume 2, but I feel like after this I don't even know half the bands that people actually copied!! Please do a part 2! My fiance and I watched this while having a great discussion on influence versus copying/stealing in art and entertainment and we agree we want to have this kind of conversation with our students this fall! So thanks for more ideas too man!!!

Me, a Stoner/Doom fan *sees Black Sabbath on the thumbnail* *prepares to see my favourite bands getting teared to pieces*

I love this show! I also love that every video I find out about 20 artists that I’ve never heard of 😂 my tidal/Spotify library has increased 10x in the last few months. Cheers for sharing the knowledge Finn :)

Going into this I’m think Bring Me, Architects, and At the Gates

Feel like Attack Attack should be on this list. They sparked a whole genre of copycats 😆

Great video, Finn! I only heard of Title Fight last year in one of your vids and just love them now. The best part of the above vid was your explanation of their transition of styles. The early 2010s are musical blindspot for me and The Punk Rock MBA is helping me catch up on some good stuff I missed.

Make this a series! Thanks for ur work on these!

I remember Necrophagist's 2 albums launching all those tech death bands.

I can’t even listen to the big names of metal core because of that damn Architects riff. The mainstream bands are making the genre extremely stale because of their lack of creativity. Thank god for the starving underground.

Love watching your videos Finn! Was curious if you could do a video on deftones in the future. Their sound, cult following, longevity and impact on nu-metal I feel should get some credit. Keep up the great work Finn!

Love your channel helps me pass time when I'm working and weirdly calms me down and makes me feel better when I'm depressed I appreciate you

I haven’t heard anyone talk about Saosin being the start of that sound since like 2003 but holy crap you’re totally right!

Your ”belgian” accent was the best part of the vid 😂 Also, the melodic death metal thing was interesting to hear as a Gothenburg native. When I first heard bands like August Burns Red and As I Lay Dying, my first thought was ”Hey, this kinda sounds like In Flames, awesome!”. 🙂

Just getting into all your videos great work bro, keep it up 👍🏼

I’m glad I found a video of yours where you bring up Bones

Love your videos, always loved metal, hardcore, and all that. Never had much of a scene where I'm from and my friend group. Interesting to hear your takes on how people can connect and enjoy things together. Your videos make me want to branch out, slap a vocal cover and find a band. Thanks man

To be fair to Car Bomb, while the meshuggah influence is undeniable, out of all the bands that rip them off they're at least running with it and doing something distinct lol. They're like dillinger escape plan meets meshuggah

I would definitely love to see more of these videos! Thanks Finn!

I remember reading a review of Hevy Fest, and when it came to Meshuggah, the reviewer wrote something like: "As day turns to night, technical behemoths, Meshuggah, dawn the stage to show their imitators how it's done..." Which young me thought was just so badass, and i still do, but more importantly it made me hyper aware of how many imitations there were at the time 😐

Only thing I'm dropping on my 7 string is the tuning!!!!!!!!!!

Can we geta proto metal/ proto punk/ 60's garage breakdown?

It's awesome to see Deadguy getting some love from someone with a platform as big as yours. Probably the most criminally underrated and influential band that nobody has ever heard of.

I also disagree with other genres being influenced by metal more than the other way around. Many metal vocalists bring a soulful, r&b style to the table and a lot of metal , especially in the 70s and 80s was like very heavy blues. Then you have all the experimental and industrial bands and electronic elements. Not to mention the nu metal bringing funk and rap into it, plus the punk influences going back to the late 70s. And shock rock influencing artists like Manson and Rob Zombie and the aesthetics of extreme metal bands. And all the 80s bands that made poppy metal.

I love it when bands rep their influences. I’ve discovered so much music this way. My introduction to Deadguy was seeing Davey Havok in one of their shirts back in the 90’s. I discovered At the Gates when I saw M. Shadows wearing their T at a show in 2003. This imo is a commendable way to go about your influences... you’re passing them on in a subtle way for others to potentially discover for themselves.

“Hey guys, you heard that one chorus from that one metal band? Lets do that.” Every buttcore/metal core band in existence.

"You wouldn't download a riff, would you?" Hahahaha that had me laughing. Great reference.

Old in flames. A whole generation copied them.

Bad Religion and NOFX are my absolute favorite Bands. I couldn't stop laughing about the thought of Greg Graffin with a pink Mohawk. Loved your idea for the cover art of a NOFX styled Bad Religion Album. ^^

16:30 You could probably do a whole video of Sleeping with Sirens ripping off other bands.

As usual. Great, very informative and insightful videos. Curious that I have not seen you cover anything about Sepultura. Maybe you hav them embedded in another video?

Pleeeeease do a part two. The links to newer bands from older bands is insane and interesting

Sometimes when Finn uses the funny face filter I can't help but see him like that forever. Great video man I dig it.

Also Carcass worship should be in part 2 if you do one. I can't count how many bands try and make their own version of Symphonies Of Sickness.

Wow you mentioned Bones in this video and that makes me so happy. Dude gets absolutely no credit for inspiring today’s rappers.

Nitpick incoming: Didn't Saosin kinda copy The Used? Growing up, I was sure that The Used was changing the landscape but you seemed to credit it to Saosin who was nearly a decade later iirc. Love your videos by the way! You're a walking punk encyclopedia and an absolute genius.

This is actually what happens in graphic design as well. There is one man that said it best: "Good designers copy, great designers steal" (Pablo Picasso) Seems pretty appropriate for your video as well ;)

Some artists that come to mind that I could see in this conversation: Pearl Jam, Tool, Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, Jawbreaker/Hot Water Music (for the gritty gravelly voice punk) T-Pain, Soulja Boy, Korn. Hope to see a Part 2!

Hey I'm a big fan of your videos. Please make more spotify lists for these videos. I love them! Thanks for everything!

I love the channel! Have you thought about doing a video on comedic metal? (Psychostick, SteelPanther etc?)

Think this is the 5th or 6th video this year in which you've mentioned my weird uncle... do you know him?

Watching this kinda makes me nostalgic about that time you are just starting out in bands like 11-12 years old and you play sooo many covers of Blink, Fall out boy, My Chem or maybe if you were a scene kid it was Underoath or Enter Shikari. Then eventually progressing into writing your own songs that sound similar. For example I played bass in a pop-punk band and one of our first songs had that b, F sharp, G sharp, E chord progression (Always - Bowling for soup and Dammit) and another had that A F C G chord progression (The Hell Song etc), then the double time final chorus and sounded fairly similar. Then I played drums in a screamo band and we had the 1 guitar-1bass-1drums-1 synth with simple 1-string riffs just like enter shikari when we wrote our own songs. Released an EP and it did pretty well and had a good following. But everyone called us Enter Shikari as a joke. We'd be like 'we are playing a gig today' and they'd be like 'Oh your band Enter Shikari is playing?'

The pop-punk bands doing the “indie shoegaze” thing were all copying Deftones.

That intro rules thanks for getting me into title fight and suffocation clones i can deal with lol love how you cross the whole rock metal n punk spectrum

Lmfao you've got a vendetta against ppl re-using the "weedly weedly" riff and I'm here for it!

I think Bones is kinda like you said how “6 years is an eternity in SoundCloud underground rap”. But also because he does embody that Metal attitude I guess where he’s fine with being underground and doesn’t want to be super famous or “sell out”. I remember like maybe a year or two ago, I think there was rumors of him going to be an XXL Freshman and then he like tweeted at them to F off. Dude constantly releases stuff, and Sesh stuff is always sold out but yeah not too many people talk about him that much.

This is a fire video was literally just thinking how At the Gates influenced metalcore so heavily I was transitioning At the Gates riffs in my heads into As I Lay Dying riffs

Definitely would love a part 2 to this!

Tbh, Car Bomb is probably more similar to Dillinger than Meshugguh.

Definitely talk about Bolt Thrower for part 2: so many contemporary death metal bands have jocked their sound! I suppose you could also talk about Blasphemy and the whole genre of "war metal" which has basically grown up copying them wholesale (i.e. Conqueror, Revenge, Archgoat, etc), but that's on the more obscure side of fandom.

It's really cool to hear you talk about music and bands from back in the day. A lot of the stuff I grew up with I didn't care about the lead singer's name for even the name of the band or the song only care that I like what I was hearing, my favorite bands is Pantera or possibly corn from there 90s days. The weird part is when you talk about going to see a band in 1992 when I was in second grade lol

“Hand me my 25 ta life basketball jersey” that had me dyin

I found out about soundcloud /because/ of Bones in 2014, there would have been no cloud rap without TeamSesh. And I would even say the revival of 98-2001 aesthetics wouldn't of caught on as quickly either- we don't hear his name as much because Bones been established

It may not be considered "punk" but I'd love to see a video someday on Jinx Dawson and her band Coven and how they influenced so much of the rock genre.

Been following you for a couple of years now. Your stuff is great! Keep it up!

Hey Finn. I'm from Michigan, been listening to Bones since 2012, we love him. You're right about him, and the scene. Thanks for the great content. Talk about Kyuss one of these days!

As a dude who's stuck in stoner/doom scene for a while I can tell you one thing for sure: We know that whole thing is Black Sabbath/Pentagram copies, it's done intentionally and we're proud of it.

Awesome videos man, really enjoy watching all of these. How bout that for the fallen dreams album changes? Rad album but completely ripped off.

I love the channel, it’s turned me on to so many new bands and reminded me of ones forgotten. Never heard “at the gates” before but I’m wondering what is on the guitar players stealie shirt at 9:33. We can discover the wonders of nature? Who’s face is that? I am a huge Grateful Dead fan and I appreciate the shirt I’m just wondering what it’s a reference to?

Man... that Translating the Name EP was amazing. I still listen to it regularly.

Holy hell, despite the context, I never thought you‘d give Wizo of all bands a shoutout. They were like, Punkrock-trainingwheels in Germany!

Awesome video. Do you ever make music video playlists based on your videos?

I think we're all influenced by everything we consume ,or expierence ,consciously or not, some people just wear it on their sleeves a bit more ,.Great vid! Awesome channel 👏