Nobody really wants an "everyone is here" MK, people just want an "everyone I like is here" MK.

From a story point of view; I feel like MK11 would've been the best opportunity to do it. Resetting a timeline and bringing back all sorts of characters from the past. It's like it was written in a way so they could bring back everyone. But that's probably giving the writers too much credit - they didn't even utilise a bunch of existing/modern characters, and instead went for another "MK2 is the only character roster to ever exist".

For some reason whenever I think of the mk trilogy character roster, I imagine a huge selection of characters in tiny boxes all over the screen like mk Armageddon, and I get surprised to see that it's not actually that big.

I just want them to start caring or at least respect the story and lore, reboot this mess and actually make a great storyline

I'm still mad that in their finale game with how hard they pushed Kitana, not once did she interact or even notice her evil self. The same also applies to how little revenant Kitana even talked in the game which is a shame for the whole present vs past thing they had with the monks.

The only time where I think every character in the MK Universe will be playable is when the last Mortal Kombat game will be released in the far future.

Damn. Deception went hard on the roster.

Armageddon was only made because Midway were on the road to bankruptcy and thought Armageddon would be the final game so they decided to put everyone in it so they could market it as a "everyone is here" type thing. There isn't much reason to do that nowadays because the franchise is more profitable than ever.

I gotta say the editing in this video was really impressive. I dig the side by side comparisons when explaining the evolution from Deception to Armageddon

I would love it if in the next gen, NetherRealm built up to a Everybody's Here game. They could get rid of Character Variations and instead focus on Echo Fighters. As cool as it would be if they got the rights for all Guest Fighters to return, it's unrealistic. A suitable work around would be a revamped Kreate a Fighter.

What are you talking about? They already did it in the MK mobile XD

Funny thing is MK9 already felt like Trilogy in a way, as the cast of fighters in that game pulls from almost the entire roster of Trilogy with a couple returning characters from the 3D era (Kenshi and Quan Chi), new characters like Cyber Sub-Zero, Skarlet, and the guest characters Freddy Krueger and Kratos. The only characters that were really missing from Trilogy were Motaro, Chameleon, and Khameleon. (and Cyber Smoke too, for the plot reason we got Cyber Sub-Zero instead) Rain was one of the DLC characters, and Goro, Kintaro, and Shao Kahn were unplayable boss characters. (as far as I recall)

Mkx actually got me excited to use new characters while 11 only introduced male dvorah, jobber slave, and the first result for nature goddess.

Much like what you said in the video, people consistently ignore the reality that video game development has become way more complex than ever, the man-power, the number of hours needed to make everything in the game work accordingly, the financing, the number of higher ups they'd need to answer to, rigging, hitboxes, ray-tracing, everything! Before Netherrealm was born, there was a time-period where game development wasn't nearly as demanding with unforgiving deadlines like today. And the Midway people were still motivated out of love for the mythos of the franchise and still found a way to combine "for the love of it" and "for the money" when they made their games. An "Everyone is here" game is simply going to be way more trouble than it's worth for everyone involved in development.

Considering an "everyone is here" game would technically mean bringing Kronika back, I see the fact that there will most likely *never* be another one as an absolute win. It's a shame that Jennifer Hale's excellent voice work was wasted on her, but you could say that with the majority of the voice acting done for (at least) both _MK11_ games. NRS basically has to prove it can competently even (re)make and (re)write for just a couple a dozen characters before gets anywhere near trying to tackle twice that number or more. So far they've basically failed on that part, at least on the writing side, for at least three games in a row.

DLC is the only way this a ever going to happen … Imagine the cost 🥵

game engine changes means they usually build from the ground up, for sure there will never again be a ''everyone is here'' type of MK game, also DLC being so prominent in the new games means they focus on guest characters and characters who are different enough to justify a purchase, man I just want an MK game that has reptile at least

if anything they should bring back a 3D MK game, the graphics are good enough and they can probably pull it off

Honestly, I wish they would just re-release mortal kombat armageddon, desption and shaolin monks for current gen console.

A Mortal Kombat game with every character from 9-11 I don't see happening with these mechanics it could happen but I doubt it will take forever to have every character who wasn't in 11 work in the current MK mechanics unless the recycle the moves of the characters from 9 and X instead of giving them a brand new moveset.

Even if they made it happen, they'd shit all over the 3D era characters again.

I'd love to see another 3D mk game. There's too many 2d fighters currently, so shifting to 3d system (again) would be a big deal nowadays.

We COULD get another one like that, but we WON’T because 1. Netherrealm can’t keep the movesets consistent and 2. It would take way too long to develop.

But wait a minute this was already done for the Mortal Kombat Mobile game?

I feel like we're more likely to get a game where they return a version of the Create-a-Fighter mechanic from Armageddon, and include parts of characters not in the game as DLC.

id really would love a mk armageddon reboot with all the characters idc how long it takes

Honestly, I'm okay with not having another "everyone is here" game I don't think I would wanna see 40 extra characters in a game that won't ever be used in a super roster 😂

The game company Running With Scissors had a fan who mentioned how The Postal Dude would be a cool guest character for MK, and RWS actually @'d Ed Boon asking what he would think about that. Ed never responded but, can just a fun little thing to imagine if that were to actually go anywhere.

I hope they go back to MKX gameplay. That was perfection!

If they ever do actually do a game with everyone, I doubt it's coming ANY time soon The amount of work it would require is insane

Armageddon 2 would be a miracle if it ever happened.

Hilarious how M1K tried to do this without doing this

If there's anything they should bring from Armageddon, it's Kreate-A-Fighter.

This isn't even getting into the obvious financial incentives they have for not doing this either

This makes sense, like a few you can probably get away with a similar fighting style but if they actually try, they will probably torture their employees into getting this done unless they go absolutely cheap.

I know it's Mortal May but I would love for Street fighter VI to have every single Character from IV and V on the base roster

If you wanna really stretch it then MK9 was kinda a "Everyone is here" game just for the 2D era (sans Motaro and with Skarlet, Quan Chi, Kenshi and Cyber Sub added) AKA the only games Netherrealm think exist anyway

people are asking this? man, and i thought i was being unreasonable by just desperately wanting to have havik playable again LOL

I believe the franchise should have cannolically ended with Armageddon, the mainline games is what I'm talking about, the franchise focusing more on spin-offs ( like Shaolin Monks) would have been better in my opinion

Problem also is WB has such a DLC fetish, they'd NEVER allow a "everyone is here" because they wouldn't be able to charge for fan favorites

You definitely have a point that a new All-included game cannot be done the way it was before - as in all the characters are included on release. But I think it can be done more similarly to the way Tekken Tag Tournament 2 was done - the base roster will be MK11+MKX+MK9 and most of the other characters will be added as DLC. A few more points: 1. Not absolutely everyone has to be included and not everyone has to take a full character slot. KOF 2002 UM was an all-included game type, but it still didn't have a few characters. I don't think that many people would be that upset if joke characters like Mokap don't make it. Chameleon, Khameleon and Triborg can be made into Premier skins for all male/female/cyber ninjas. Meat actually can be made as such a skin to every character, as a reference to what he was in MK4. Motaro still could be excluded because he is too difficult to adapt into the current gameplay, and it could be the same case with Onaga. For example Azazel was the only character excluded from Tekken Tag 2 due to his size. Alternatively both Motaro and Onaga could be made into Kronika-like unplayable bosses. 2. It's not just guest character move lists that they can give to other characters. They also have all the MK9-X movelists from the characters that made it into MK11 and had their move lists changed. Jarek or Hsu Hao can use some of MK9-X Kano's moves, Kira can use some of Sonya's MK9-X moves etc. If they drop variations they will have even more moves to use. 3. If they won't do a full story mode, they probably will have time and resources to do all they need in other aspects. If they don't need to do animations for story mode, they can do Fatal Blows/X-rays and Fatalities for every character so no Kreate-a-fatality bs. And if they don't need to do dialogues for story mode, they can do them for intros. 4. Customisation in MK11 was really bloated imo. Who really needs 30 designs of Jacqui's grenade or Shang Tsung's scroll. All of this can be compressed to much more adequate sizes. Also they will probably have to do 30+ new models for any type new game, even if it is a regular sequel. This way for the base roster they will need: 1. To adapt 12 MKX characters (Bo'Rai Cho, Ermac, Ferra/Torr, Goro, Kenshi, Kung Jin, Tanya, Quan Chi, Reptile, Shinnok, Takeda, Tremor) and 5 MK9 characters (Sektor, Cyrax, Stryker, Smoke, Kintaro) to MK11's gameplay. 2. Then through the span of DLC, which could take years, they will need to make 21 more characters (Reiko, Sareena, Taven, Daegon, Kai, Jarek, Ashrah, Shujinko, Kira, Kobra, Dairou, Darrius, Havik, Hotaru, Nitara, Li Mei, Hsu Hao, Drahmin, Moloch, Mavado, Blaze). Or at least those they feel like doing. Generally will it be a ton of work? Yes! Will it be THAT much more work, than doing a new MK game with 30+ characters with completely new movesets, variations, all the customisations and a story mode. Honestly I don't think so. Outside of balancing, that's guaranteed to be a nightmare. So I believe it can be done, especially considering that it will take at least twice the time it usually takes between their games. To be fair, Covid definitely contributed to that too, but there is no guarantee that MK12 will drop in spring 2023 and not later.

I just want Kenshi in an MK game I fell in love with him in MKx And like him too in MK9 too He is so kool

I just wanna see old characters getting revamped. You can totally do something with kobra and kira, hotaru, darius, dairou, movado, jarek, hsu hao. What they need is someone who cares, and is competent. Like, kira, I would make her design similar yo skarlets. Very middle eastern. Give her some cool acrobatic moves, plus a quicker version of kanos knife toss. She was an arms dealer, maybe give her a harley quinn like fighting style. Maybe kobra is actually her bodyguard. Maybe he was a guy living on street fight money, occasionally taking jobs as a killer. Its not hard to rewrite characters!

Thanks for the explanation

The only way something like this would happen is if an MK game was moved over to essentially a live service model with a base roster and then continuous DLC packs/characters over the course of many years.

I know its a case of technicalities, but Sareena did exist in the 3D engine as they did have a model for her which was made for the alternate version of Deadly Alliance on GameBoy Advance, Tournament Edition. And as they (John Vogel and Ed Boon) explained in Sareena's trading card in the lead up to Armageddon's release, she was a new model made for that version of the game, compared to Noob and Sektor who were also exclusive to that version, but were recolours of Scorpion and Cyrax. The technicality and Snake's use of "proper" is whether she still counts or not since she may have lacked some detailing to work for the GBA's limited graphics, and thus would need that extra/missing detailing restored to make her complete for Armageddon.

I sure do love mk ultimate

Even if we had the hypothetical everyone is here Mortal Kombat game how would it go out to balance the game? I know not everyone plays MK competitively but a large game like that would have many issues revolving the characters and plus the advantages/disadvantages certain characters could have. An example being human Sektor and human Cyrax having different animations for their moves. Not to mention voice acting, animations, engine limitations, costumes, intros, outros, fatalities, brutalities, etc. To achieve a game like that we would need to have good time spent on the game and not have the bs of an unfinished game at launch. As could as it would be I don't think we could ever have this type of Mk game unless WB was very much competent with their decision making. Also Snake, if such a game ever came out do you think it would have a good story mode or a very bad one?

So if they stop revamping the gameplay too much and reuse old Kharacters Models then an Armageddon 2 Electric Boogalo could in theory be plausible? Right?

Your last two MisKonceptions made me lost hope in humanity

0:34 Almost everyone else was already in the roster: *Proceeds to ignore the purple Ninja*

While I hear where you're coming from, it's pretty much already been done. Smash Ultimate has 74 characters, pretty much all of them are totally unique and have totally different move sets. Granted, there was probably a bit less re-design work needed compared to MK, less moves/combos in total, and the jumping over of characters from ps2 graphics, and no fatalities or story etc. but I think it shows that it could be done. And it's not like they have literally no ground work for any of the characters, you would definitely be taking inspiration from their previous move sets from a creative standpoint, even if the gameplay was super different. I don't even particularly want an everyone's here game, but I think it would be a pretty cool idea, and more possible than you make out.

Hey, Snake, here is a suggestion for your FANtastic series. MK Roomies. Seriously, that show is hilarious.

To be perfectly honest i much rather have a significantly less fleshed out customization system if it meant getting more characters and more unique characters. I feel like the system has really gave the devs a excuse to make their new designs incredibly bland for the sake of promoting the progression systems. Same with Injustice 2, most of the designs are toned down and made way more generic for the sake of making customizing look better then it is. it allows devs to purposely make bad/bland designs purely to sell customization.

MK9/MK2011 really felt like a reboot of Trilogy

Instead of movies....we need a dedicated Mortal Kombat series. Either live action or animated. FAITHFULLY too damn it.

How many years would it take to make a full cast game? 👀

They could give us a Armageddon roster if they used MK characters as DLC instead of pandering to pop culture. Fortnite adds a new character every week. Yes, MK characters need unique gameplay, but I believe that they could deliver a huge roster if they prioritized it instead of moving on to the next game.

1:58 yes but thats the reason i like it every game is different so i can switch between them whenever i feel like

Good video

Everyone is here isn't impossible...but i agree about how small chance on it is And futhure of series is really unknown and covered by fog especially afther mk11

My thoughts exactly.

Look, my one man, bring back Kobra campaign will succeed, I know it!

Gather around children, the king has graced us with another video

Realistically, I don't think it's gonna happen, but I do wish for it some day. I think MK1 made it less unlikely due to removing variations and custom movesets (which were cool ideas, but I'm glad they didn't return again), but less unlikely doesn't mean likely. The closest we'll get is probably a fan game that has all Neatherrealm characters, probably not including the ones used in kameos. Just because I know it won't happen doesn't mean I can't just blindly wish for it despite my knowledge anyway, though

Okay, I hear you. Doesn't stop me from wanting it. And kind of hoping that's the reason for their delay in making the next game. But then, what I'd love is a return to 3D era gameplay, so I know I'm not getting everything I want, anyways.

They need to bring back the best kombatant ever: Kobra!

Some characters have the exact same fighting styles, so they could just create a character skin with exclusive dialogue for them.

I know he'll literally never come back for multiple reasons but man I just want Meat again

So the argument here essentially is "We'll never have it because they would have to work on it" 😆 Nah man, the real reason is because DLC

One small nitpick. MK3 is most def not anywhere close to being like MK2 in a competitive sense that is. The combo structure of that game is wildly different. Having a run changes a ton of how the game is played due to the "run jab" meta. Plus the general mixup of run jab beats most options, low jab beats run jab, and kick starters beat low jab. gave mk3 its own identity as a very aggressive rushdown focused fighter. Compared to MK2 more grounded footies and poking style. That being said. Trilogy is actually pretty close to umk3 in terms of the competitive meta.

I wonder what the Netherrealm trilogy would look like if they had stuck with Taven actually winning

Not to mention how much more time consuming and expensive characters are to make now then in the 2000s

As much as I'd like an "Everyone is here" game at the same time that would take years to make and probably wouldn't release as quickly as say MK9, MKX and MK11

Armageddon was special for that specifically Because no game ever did that "everyone is here" thing for their roster Closest things we had were mortal kombat 9 or street fighter 5 and yet they lacked many characters (mk9 having the excuse that it's the story of the first 3 games but modified)

See, this is why Smash was capable of doing the whole Everyone is Here thing (as much as this channel bashes it). Most of the characters are recycled from the previous game in terms of animation, voices, and other things, similar to the 2d and 3d MK era. The only difference is that they are tweaked to be updated.

I want to see the later mk characters from the 3D era get the full storyline treatment

MK Armageddon has two things better than all the NRS games The soundtrack and Motor Kombat

Im sure we'll get every mk fighter in one game whenever WB decides to make an auto fighter mobile game with lootboxes and microtransactions crammed into every orifice

That’s why we need a remaster of Mk Trilogy

Every mortal Kombat ever made should have Liu Kang and Scorpion

My MK roster Everyokne from mk 1-11 minus kronika.

We just need a new Mortal Kombat game not made by Netherrealm, that would solve everyone's problems 🎮

If they wanted to make a dope game, they would figure it out

Another point, Armageddon had to have the "Create a Fatality" to compensate the large roster.

Just needing the new versions of characters introduced in 9 & all the new characters of 10 & 11. Take a solid 5-9 years more if needed, just perfect the individuality

I imagine if they were to do an "everyone" roster they would probably cheat and make most of the overlapping characters skins like they did with Injustice

Honestly if it took them 3 years to make I propose this slight expansion give us 40-45 base original Characters like the Normal mk mainstays and some most wanted like a nitara And then maybe an expansive database that can be worked on and reworked, and added to with a Create a character allowing us to make someone missing and brand characters entirely

I call it the roster party they fun game to played

Yeah I feel as if there probably isn’t gonna be another MK Armageddon in the near future.

If I could make the perfect MK12 it would follow a recap of the entire series across through the lens of Liu Kang deciding he needs to have as much context of the past timelines as possible to mold a better future. Release in maybe a 6 month schedule. MK1s story first, and its absolutely nessecary roster included. 6 months on add MK2s story and characters, 6 months on add MK3s, MK4s, etc... Until the entire series is joined under one titles with its massive roster. Unrealistic but one can dream :p

Honestly if Netherrealm did another dream match, they should just limit it to the new trilogy and add characters from the X comics that were present just for the sake of relevance. It's still a pipe dream, but it still would be a nice cap off since these type of MK games come out after every third in that periods trilogy. You don't even need an in depth story mode, just do arcade ladder endings.

I just want a Shaolin Monks style game, man. heck, friggin Motor Kombat today would be amazing!

Guest characters aside. I could see another way of them doing the "Everyone is here" Game. Horrific levels of paid DLC characters. So the game would not start with everyone, but could end with all of them after a year or 2. (And doubling the price of the game through said DLC)

Starting from 2:00 onwards: It's almost as if NetherRealm fucked themselves over, isn't it? I have and will advocate for a minimum of consistency across sequels. Iterating upon the visuals is one thing but going from heavily stylized, but still realistic, in MK9 to dark and dreary in MKX to colorful again for 11 is like the devs were on crack. As for the roster, while I like the overlap, I find it absolutely horrid how they made updated models and animations for so many NPC's of MKX, but they never made into the roster proper, and at the same time created models for alternate costumes (liu kang, kung lao, kitana, scorpion and sub-zero) only for them to not be featured in the story and then filled the rest of the roster with guest characters... Then mortal kombat 11 proceeded to have a fuck ton of NPC's from the rosters of the previous two games, as well as more shitty guests...

If they add the 3d era Characters in different games then eventually they will add them in mk mobile over time so basically that could happen just on mobile

I won't play a game for years without a Johnny Cage

I really would like to see how they adapt ashra to the new era of games

NRS barely even deals with a huge chunk of the 3d era characters…….yeah as much as Armageddon 2.0 doesn’t sound terrible, I don’t expect for it to ever happen and I can’t think of a way where it can.

They’d need to build MK Armageddon 2 while building MK12 and stay with working on it after MK12 has been released. It’d be at least 8-10 years out and would have to be worked on simultaneously with MK12. And would need to uses it’s engine, but you could import all MK12 characters over to save some time on making them again.