Thermarest NeoAir XTherm vs Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated Sleeping Pads

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Thermarest NeoAir XTherm vs Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated Sleeping Pads

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Dean Smith

Күн бұрын

My take on which is the best - the Thermarest NeoAir XTherm or the Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated Sleeping Pads

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@Squirrel200 Жыл бұрын

I am old school Gorilla proof Military and I like the sea to summit camp plus self-inflating foam sleeping mat. Its Reasonably quiet but heavy and large but I Don't count grams. I just go slower and at 60+ with 50 years experience its not a race. I enjoy the outdoors I want to be reasonable comfortable and when i get tired I may camp as I was the mss sleeping system and a tarp so spots are easy to find A long way a Inexpensive hammock. Life is good just get out there and have fun and be safe! Pack light freeze at night, or pay the $$$$$$$ and travel Greater distances! It's all good there is no one correct way enjoy. Ps The reflective insulated sleeping pads just don't keep me warm Any brand I've tried So Self inflating foam is way to go for me it works. And if my body is happy on happy You don't wanna see me as a 🐻 Without a good night sleep In the woods. 😂😆😂😆😂 but its true for me 🤗🤗

@ds7221 Жыл бұрын

I like your style! Go with what works and have fun with it. As you say - there’s no one right way :)

@marcb1289 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree: pump sack and valve are far better for Sea To Summit (Comfort Plus regular) than Thermarest (Neo Air Xlite RW); same about noise, but as I use earplugs, this point may be more annoying for others; and I feel that StS is more comfortable. But when it comes to weight and pack size, even with Thermarest in wide version, this one is a clear winner. R factor is also on its side, but as both have good values, it is not a major criteria for me. When I want (or need) to spare weight, I go for the Thermarest, and otherwise, StS is choosen. Both are expensive but I think that nobody can make a mistake choosing one or the other.

@ds7221 2 жыл бұрын

Nicely put Sir :)

@backpackingireland8624 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant review, greetings from Ireland 🇮🇪

@gcruishank9663 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. I was trying to decide between these two. The Thermarest is very hard to find in the wide version and probably because of the R value, but that Sea to Summit is highly rated for comfort and the large version is available. I'm sure increasing the R value with either a good bivy or something like you suggested would be fine in winter with the right sleeping bag...or two.

@ds7221 2 жыл бұрын

Good call. If you use a sleeping bag the Sea to Summit with a under foam will tackle just about anything. I have a Thermarest ‘Z’ fold mat and used in conjunction it’s a warm combination. I also recently got a very thin foam mat (I use it as my rucksack back padding) and that works well too

@thejourneytoasimplelife Жыл бұрын

This was such a good review and so much insight given!!!!!!!!!! I'm about to buy the STS mattress and I was actually considering the therm-a-rest after seeing the underlying tip it was clear. STS for me with an underlay mat from Quechua which weighs under 100g. Thank you good Sir! +1 Sub!

@cadacosamejorquelaotra 3 жыл бұрын

I really love StS comfort plus I! Im only struggling to re pack it in its bag.

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

Yes - agree. For me, it's the most comfortable mat ever. I fold the sides in lengthways to meet in the middle and then fold on itself. Then roll towards the valve (hope that made sense)

@MatsMonroe 2 жыл бұрын

Super expert tip is to tighten the drawsting on the Thermarests pumpsack about 3/4 (or 75% for all yall mathdudes out there) to minimize the air escaping when blowing up your pad.. Nothing big, just a SUPER EXPERT TIP!

@TeaInValhalla 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Dean, Kat and I found this video very useful, thumbs up and a sub from us. We have new sleeping bags sat in a virtual basket, we have been looking for the right mat. After watching your video we are set to pull the trigger on the Sea to Summit, thank you for the help. Catch you again, Ceri and Kat ❤☕👍

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

It's a pleasure. These are important purchases and it's good to get input before spending hard earned money. Happy camping :)

@TeaInValhalla 3 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 exactly, we have been pondering and researching for months now. Maybe today will be the day! ❤🤗👍

@kpj5 2 жыл бұрын

Love the S2S comfort plus XT .. but need to get a smaller version to reduce the weight

@sophiebell5331 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very very muchf or this!

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

You are welcome. I enjoyed making the video and it’s great when you can get unbiased real life feedback before you buy.

@lbwatty 2 жыл бұрын

great detailed review. i have gone for the Sea to Summit.. i got it for £135 from GO Outdoors the difference in price finalised it for me, the Thermarest is still at £190 with over £50 difference its a no go for me. What weather are you camping in to require that level of ground insulation? I am only just changing up from a thermarest prolite with a published R of 2.4 and cold from the floor has never been an issue, as you say i must be like your brother. I have only graded to have a more comfortable sleeping mat and thicker, as i am not as young as i was :-)

@ds7221 2 жыл бұрын

The S2S is a great sleeping mat. You’ll love it. I use the Thermarest during the winter. I use a quilt so there’s no thermal insulation underneath . Only from the sleeping mat. So the high R rating from the mat helps to keep me warm.

@jimmarshall9945 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, just a quick correction, the sea to summit comfort plus has a comfort rating value.. R 5, that's what it claims on the package.

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jim. Thanks for the comment. On the Sea to Summit website it shows R value as 4.0. Clearly they can’t get their numbers right! Conclusion though is if it’s not being used in coldest winter the Sea to Summit is my go to mat due to comfort. In coldest winter it’s the Thermarest because of its near 9 R value. I use a quilt so mat warmth is very important to me.

@jimmarshall9945 3 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 thanks for the reply Dean, mines is the large + wide and it states on the package 5.0, the bottom line is you have tried it in the winter and didn't find it warm enough, good review Dean, cheers for replying, ATB Jim

@stephaniehansen2766 2 жыл бұрын

A new measuring scale has been introduced lately in order to make comparison between brands more reliable (like we know it from the en on sleeping bags) - and therefore most companies have had to retest their sleeping pads resulting in new ratings. Cheers

@Saint_Dismas 3 жыл бұрын

Try the Sea To Summit ComfortLight Insulated. It's nowhere near as bulky, but still really warm and comfortable.

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like a good alternative. Thermarest and Sea to Summit have a cracking range to chose from. There’s something for everybody.

@tomwalker5514 3 жыл бұрын

Do you ever find the XTherm to be too warm during them summer months? By the way great video!

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Tom, yes ... the Xtherm is purely a cold weather pad. For warmer times it'll be either the Sea to Summit (R=4 ) or Nemo Tensor (R=1.6).

@dorawa2419 2 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 But why? I think lying on the ground in summer with the Xtherm would work?

@ds7221 2 жыл бұрын

@@dorawa2419 I can only say with my experience in mid summer I prefer to use a mat that is a little cooler with a lower “R” rating. I think it comes down to personal preference.

@MopedWanderlust 2 жыл бұрын

my money don't jiggle jiggle

@blahblah5750 2 жыл бұрын

I find the Thermarest slippery on my sleeping bag.

@ds7221 2 жыл бұрын

I use mine with a quilt so have not experienced that. The problem I had was that the inflatable pillow kept pinging off the damn thing until I fastened it down with a tee shirt. I’ve seen people put beads of grippy silicone on their mats to help overcome the sliding off.

@greatamericandreamrealtyli6583 2 жыл бұрын

I'm buying a pop up camper this week and am planning a 14 day trip in mid to late November on the Canadian border. The camper comes with a heated mattress but I don't know how warm that will get and I am always cold. Should I buy one of those sleeping pads that are rated 4 or above and put it on top of the heated mattress or would that not be effective? Are these pads meant only for tent camping? Would the warmth from the heated mattress heat the camping pad all the way through so that I feel it in my sleeping bag? Temps are supposed to be in the 20's but I want to be prepared for worst case. Note that I am always cold.

@ds7221 2 жыл бұрын

The Sea to Summit is very comfortable and amazingly warm. Together with a heated mattress you will melt the ice caps! I use mine for overflow guests at my house. They are very versatile and can be used outside of camping. If your heated mattress goes too hot then it might damage it. But it would have to be very hot.

@greatamericandreamrealtyli6583 2 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 Thank you.

@youradventure0710 3 жыл бұрын

Great review thank you , for colder months did u consider the xped mats? Thank you

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

I had a brief look at the Xped mattresses. They have good R value, weight and price. To be honest, I looked at a boat load of reviews and in particular people's personal feedback on KZfaq and short listed Sea to Summit and Thermorest. I'm very happy with both. In the end it comes down to personal preference. I have a quilt and am a cold sleeper that's why the 8.9 R rating of the Thermorest was the clincher. Thanks.

@youradventure0710 3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks for your reply , I had an exped for 10 years and used it on climbs up to 6000m and it’s just sprung a leak and nowadays they have the better blow up systems as opposed to hand pumping which takes a while and was looking at that thermarest which is much lighter than exped but as you said personal preferences, many thanks

@johnwick-tw9ru 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think I could use the sea to summit one for winter in Scotland? The exped is £180 and the s2s is £162 so not much in it. As those are the two which I've been considering

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

Yes - for sure as long as you’re using a sleeping bag. I was cold using the Sea to Summit with a quilt mid winter camping in Dartmoor. For winter using my quilt I need the full on 6.9R of the Thermarest. That said, I know people who are naturally very warm sleepers and the Sea to summit would be fine even using a quilt. Sorry for the rubbish answer but it depends

@johnwick-tw9ru 3 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 always a bag mate! I can't imagine using a quilt for a camp. Yeah ill maybe get it then as the exped has been hard to come by for a while.. thanks mate

@James-sir 3 жыл бұрын

Prefer foam pad no pop

@AbelandVictoria 3 жыл бұрын

You tried the trail pro thermarest?

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

Nope. Would be interested to hear a review on it from anyone out there. With an R value of 4.4, for me in the UK this would be a late spring, summer and early autumn as I use a quilt. It’s around the same weight as my Sea to Summit Comfort Plus Insulated Mat which I can’t recommend highly enough. But as always, ‘horse’s for courses’.

@AbelandVictoria 3 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 I have one which I use in new Zealand alpine in my tent. Temperatures negative 2 or 3 I have been in so far with it. Super warm so far and the comfort of the foam is awesome. I choose it over the other options for the comfort. Unfortunately it’s 1.1kg I think for a long wide but worth it I think

@ds7221 3 жыл бұрын

@@AbelandVictoria hi Abel. Pleased to hear it’s working for you. I’m 53 and try hard to minimise rucksack weight. Over 1kg for a pad would be a deal breaker for me. But that’s just me. Pleased to hear you’ve found one that works for you.

@AbelandVictoria 3 жыл бұрын

@@ds7221 did you try the sea to summit self inflating foam pad ? It was very similar to the trail pro. I found the the foam is just luxurious feels nice. I’m 28 so can handle the weight ok but I only got on 3 night trips max really

@James-sir 3 жыл бұрын

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