There wouldnt even be a video, only montage 😂

well you were correct

I was waiting for the compilation of people saying Circular but on the episode where he says "roll the people being wrong montage" there's only like 3 people

to be fair a bunch of them were "this card was amazing, but did not help the actual archetype be good at all", which is a valid answer (baronne, feather storm didn't help harpies, dragunity remus) and at least one was "this archetype was meta LATER but this support didn't help enough" like melodious.

​@@eileenlilac7271yeah a lot of those were "mbt sees a meta card and shuts his brain off without thinking about the context"

Tragic, but true. I was actually waiting for the bashing.

Thinking same thing here

@@Boredbutnotreallyright there with you,god I would kill for them to get some good support, when you realize they have only been supported twice since they came out in gladiators assault.

I remember back in the day thinking to myself : "A whole archetype of monsters that can't be destroyed by battle? It's completely busted!". And, well...

The new cloudian spell would have been busted and made massive link spam boards, if it wasn't for that fucking line of text: "one effect per turn once that turn"

The Genex link 1 is yugituber support.

It is my emocional suport metal boy

I’m just happy they took an unplayable deck and made it do something…… I don’t think they could have done much better with it

i think it might genuinely be the most powerful link 1 ever printed it is also the strongest imperm magnet ever made

@@MiyaoMeow588 ah the old game of "do you have a handtrap"

Before the newest support, the deck really was held together by... Ostinato, and the tears and fairy dust of Bloom Harmonist and Bloom Diva Basically their only three playable cards before the newest support for some reason, and Bloom Diva lived and died off Ostinato

Joseph really said he'll tear into the Gem Knight answer until he figured it out. And then he actually does to Melodious despite it being a similar concept to the former.

Still waiting on Konami to print an insane wave of Laval support.

​@@zdelrod829or Flamvell

​@zdelrod829 give me my x Sabers back the link monster they got wasn't even that good in it's own fuckjng deck

Yugioh player try to read more than one sentence challenge: impossible.

Melodious went from unplayable trash to unplayable trash to getting batshit insane custom cards that still didn't elevated them above unplayable trash to "getting a few playable monsters" that made them a tier-1/tier-2 deck.

@@Kylora2112 From a Melodious player currently playing 3 different variations on Melodious, this is accurate. Ostinato was a great card...but it didn't really go anywhere, and Bloom Harmonist xeno locks you with her effect. Both effects would either get into Bloom Diva or the Aria-Elegy lock at the End Phase. The deck used to be very heavily dependent on what else you drew outside of 1st movement or Ostinato.

​@@FAlynn92 Just years of cards setting up an endgoal that didn't exist. 😭

Melodious was the perfect example AND counter-point at the same time. Bloom, Ostinato, & First Movement Solo are all insane cards. The latter two are still 3 ofs in a deck that is capable of winning major tournaments in the modern format. The deck simply didn't have a payoff.

Yeah, it's like putting a bandaid on an infected gash. Sure, it's better than nothing at all, but it doesn't really help too much either.

The good old "good card that has to resolve or you're dead".

In the business, we call this the Junk Speeder effect.

This is why people complaining about Circular as a card was wild to me. The rest of the deck wasn't nearly as efficient and has Circular not been so ignorant the deck would have been one of the hundred other decks that got one piece of support that reads well but doesn't actually help instead of the mid tier, kind of meta if you squinted hard enough, probably not going to make it after Kash format deck it ended up being. It's like people felt entitled to be able to Ash whatever the newest card was and make the opponent turn skip like they're used to with these kinds of one-card supports.

@@geek593 “The deck” didn’t exist after circular. Cause you’d put circular in any cyberse deck and it’d be a better use of circular than pure Mathmech.

Dream mirror needs some love. But both neiroys are stupid good in the archetype

neiroy is so funny the guy reads like snake eyes ash

It's such a shame cuz I love the Dream Mirror Archetype

@@rescuerex7031 Dream mirror is sooooo fun

Tbf it literally loses to any handtrap and the moment it gets interrupted, that's it you're done pretty much.

No it's not Making Glad Beast into an OTK archetype would have killed its identity just as much as what they currently did with it

@@Void-rj3sq Maybe not in terms of the sheer stupid numbers it can pump out, but absolutely that it should use the battle phase as a way to fuse into strong monsters and chain combo effects. Maybe make it so they come out in defense, or the big ones can't attack, and you get what Glad Beasts should have been (as someone whose first deck ever was Glad Beast).

TBF I can understand Feather Storm, it was played in Floo and Simorgh stuff, but Harpie didn't top with it

Everyone is wrong including MBT! Bro did not read half of those posts!

i agree, hexie094.

Not to mention that Ghost also acts as a normal-summon-based Lava Golem during the enemy turn if Zombie World is up (which it probably will be) as long as you have any 2-tribute Vampire in hand, like Voivode

"Straightforward Joker" as the name and the card art is him with 2 thought bubbles that go king X , Queen ♡

@@carpedm9846 "Joker's Ace" with king X, Queen X, Ace 👍

@@GenesisAkaG Joker's Questioning with King ?, Queen ?.

I played Fire Fist before, and thats all correct

i played back in 2012ish and fire fist was insane. deck was so annoying

Imo invitation is what's holding that archetype.

It turns out what you fusion summon into matters now

They have received only one single card of legacy support, right? The new fusion? I would be interested in seeing what Dual Avatar could do if they had more support. They still only have two main deck monsters.

The deck is a lot more consistent with the new support. Been enjoying it a lot of simulators

I’m really excited to try out Ice Barrier with the Terminal Revenge cards. I think it could become the backbone of a strong, but probably not meta, Water Synchro deck with all the other recent White Aura & Ghoti & Icejade stuff

The new, new support actually makes the deck playable and actually able to combo to an extent. But the structure was just not good enough. And that's partly due to unnecessary water restrictions. Or lack of cohesion. Or lack of actually interruption.

It was rogue in OCG when the set came out where they can't make toad TCG has toad so I'm excited to see where it goes from here

I remember cooking hard with them about 10 years ago, haha. Water fairies had the best of both worlds at the time in terms of support, since you could run stuff like Salvage, Moray, and also fairy support along with Sanctuary and Divine Punishment. And for the small price of turning one to defense mode, you could special summon Wisel from hand 😂

They don't deserve to be on the list because Aerosol is not that good. Because of the one effect per turn clause.

@@chaotixthefox Exactly, so it *really* shouldnt have been the thumbnail... Poor cloudians

I mean Glacier Beast is considered an archetype. It has three cards

Pretty sure an archetype needs a name to be refrenced in card effect text. “Fleur” is not mentioned, only specific monster names. And by that metric Glacial Beast also wouldn’t be one. Nor Digital Bug. But by anime rules, yea sure they’re an archetype

Just call it a series, or "Sherry's cards". There's no need for "erm actually".

Well calling something as 2 maindeck cards an archetype feels weird, and there is even weirder ones if you go down that path and only consider "sharing name" conventions, transcendosaurus are an archetype then. With only 4 extra deck cards that literally couldnt be summoned "in archetype" and a maindeck card that basically doesnt work for any other transcendosaurus cards.

@@Ak4ntor yea it’s gotta take more than a name. There’s too much weird stuff if it’s just shared names

Idk man, can't people just have really good same-sex friends?

Then the speedroid one is wrong because they did see tops.

This time its about Support that didnt do shit for the Archetype they where printed for. They maybe saw success in other Decks. At least that is what i get out of the twitter post :p

Especially that Nobleknight one. That one is fact because you Isolde is a Nobleknight by name, but without the token dude or Brothers, they were ineffective in the deck, and didn't combo into actual playmaker for the deck

me with ogdoadics/aliens/beetroopers.

DDD need a Prank-Kids Pranks/ Raidraptor - Roost style card to get lost ED monsters back into rotation as well as main deck monsters. Hell, they could give it a bit of spice by allowing you to cycle back face up extra deck monsters too for a draw. Also, just give em a damn omni-negate already Konami. Preferably one that’s NOT a generic ED boss.

@@torakandwolf6786 honestly, they don’t really need an omni. A second negate would be nice for stuff like talents, but really what they need more is consistency boosters. I’ve always thought they could use a card like melody of awakening dragon; discard 1 then add ad DD and a dark contract from deck or something, Or something that summons from deck would be immensely useful. Though I do agree, they would benefit a lot from an avarice effect somewhere. Maybe one day.

@@chrisburns9898 D/D/D needs something that lets them generate advantage / consistency with a foolish burial as a cost (let them send stuff like lamia, swirl slime, necro slime or, typhon to GY, and if you do, add a D/D or dark contract card). As kepler and contract with the gate being their only searches sometimes gives the deck big choke points. MAYBE something that lets the special summon things from banishment would be nice

​​@@chrisburns9898 i mean the deck seems pretty consistent to me yeah, getting direct access to some contracts before truly committing would be nice but especially with the yubel support getting to keplar, copernicus and any other necessary ddd monster is easy as hell. The also have plenty of space for going second cards/board breakers. Yes they can be larger choke points but i think it would help but not solve the issue. At least for me the issue is that end board isn't strong or varied or flexible enough in the way in the it needs to be for kodern formats. especially when interrupted and the fact that gilgamesh is a really big choke point at times. I remember facing ddd players as a ddd player and dismantling their full board with low tier decks because they are essentially to easy to break. For instance at the time having siegfried, big ceaser, machinex, and head hunt with follow up/hand traps seems good. At some point it was but then you realize that without enough monster negates/protection you were kinda just stuck because the all it took was one good activation to wipe your board even IF the monster got stolen (especially if you were forced to shot gun head hunt). Then you have to remember the fact that in modern yugioh you might not always go full combo, ddd with full combo can be easily broken even with the seemingly string board, but when you only have machinex and head hunt or machinex and ceaser etc you've essentially lost a real game if yugioh.

The deck had national and ycs tops after the support. I think that's enough.

if Clear World can get support, Cloudians can get another wave

Ojama is ass because they still have to crutch on Blue resolving multiple times. It's a combo deck that has to play on turn 2 lmao

It does prove something- there are a lot of decks that have potentially busted support that are just waiting for their moment. Who knows, maybe we’ll get some Krawler support later down the line that will make people respect Soma.

@kataphrut7740 Krawler would specially need a rule change to make flip monsters chainable like traps or a card that isn’t OPT that does that. Krawler Soma being a +2 isn’t that impactful when all of the interaction being set up is broadcast to the opponent and isn’t even reactive since it requires your opponent to interact with them for the flip effects to actually happen barring a couple cards that can do it when you want (World Legacy Pawns). The link monsters are also hot garbage and don’t do anything to support the more control style gameplay that the flip monsters facilitate.

@@dariuspenner2528 a rule change cant make flip effects quick effect since you need to use an effect to flip them, which means they have to activate their effect in the next chain, you flip them on your turn while in an open main phase game state, or its the damage step like changing it so that you can flip and actovate in the same chain means if i chain a needlebug nest all the cards it mills can be activated to that chain since the thing prevented both from activating is that their effects at start of chain weren't a thing (one is face down and we luckily dont have in deck quick effects) wait crawler could use is a card thats says something like "flip a crawler face up and negate it for the turn: then have this card gain its effect" basically chain it to flip the crawler and the spell card or trap also adds its effect to he chain, but negate the crawler to avoid double dipping on flip effects

@heheheiamasupahstars A rule change absolutely could make flip effect monsters a quick effect, you’d just do the effect when resolving the chain. Your Needlebug Nest comparison doesn’t even make sense because the milling happens at resolution, at which point a new chain can start if there are any relevant effects. Making something like Krawler Spine a quick effect just makes it Raigeki Break with no discard cost. All you’d have to do is make a rule adjustment that allows cards with the “flip” type to flip themselves up at quick effect speed, allowing them to function identically to trap cards. They’d still be terrible, just slightly less terrible than they currently are because now you can be more reactive with your flip effects and something like World Legacy Pawns still has value in flipping cards back face down.

@@kataphrut7740 That's exactly what happened to the Ice Barrier SD cards, they weren't good enough but they did set up a foundation for the Terminal World cards to use.

Yeah I have no idea why he was so pressed about Melodious, even the tweet was saying "Melodious is playable now, in 2024", but Ostinato and Bloom Harmonist are from fuckin 2018 and 2020 and MEGA FLOPPED on release, like what is he talking about?

I seriously wish AG support wasn't just "Make players want to play the big, un-special-summonable brick (or its retrains), hit hard, then die horrifically next turn" Like, it wouldn't have killed them to make an AG that's a defensive wall. Or give them actual recursion outside of the horrible trap. Or even give them a fusion or ED monster that can actually further your plays. I say this as someone that played the deck extensively in high school and loves the deck aesthetic, Konami could've done so much more for the deck.

to be fair there's a lot of cards that don't need to be run in AGs so there's still a bit of room. the only monsters you ever need are the three Golems, Wyvern, Tanker, and Commander (and maybe Box and Frame if you're feeling spicy). then adding five spells and *one* continuous trap that you run the same amount of Commanders, and you still have space if you've been doing the right ratios. 2 Dark Golem, 1 AGG, 1-2 Ultimate Pound, 3 Wyvern, 3 Tanker, 2 Commander, 2 Catapult, 3 Fusion, 3 Advance, 2 Fortress, 3 Geartown, 2 Duel, and that's still at *minimum* 12 cards worth of non-engine.

@@lordflarus I think you could even cut cards from that list. I'd say 3 copies of Statue can replace the Ultimate Pounds since it's effectively extra copies of Golem. I've seen lists that only run one of Commander and Duel, and even Tanker, Fusion and Geartown could lose a copy since everything is so searchable. I'd say Wyvern, Advance and Statue when it comes are the only guaranteed 3-ofs.

Well to be fair, you DO need a PhD to play Ancient Gears optimally. Us normal people just don't get it.

On release it didn't really help any other deck other than burning abyss but it was released in the tcg during toss format in 2019 so the deck was on its monster Mashup build with sekkas light so the impact wasn't all that important to it. Also the deck was still going strong as a rogue pick despite being so old hence the meme statements BA never dies. Sadly sekkas light was limited in the same dog water banlist of January 2020 that all the TOSS decks died in along with the pandemic a couple months after which means BA didn't get the attention to adapt the loss of sekkas light before people weren't really playing anymore till master duels release 2 years later when people saw the power creep BA was facing when it finally died. Honestly the archetype needs some actual support with its own archetypal spells to help it or some more extra deck monsters to support them (or both) since the archetype has some rather harsh restrictions comparatively

Mind meld still works, it returns to hand, not deck. It only gets messed up if you go for the links

Ya that was how you would get Deus X on the field face-down so its kinda pointless to run mind meld in the deck.

​@@DrAiPatch The krawler floating effects that mind meld triggers also get deus X onto the field. On top of that, krawler works best when paired with another flip synergistic archetype such as tindangle or prediction princess, both enabling easy access to those cards as well. And if you are able to establish deus X, there isn't really much of a need for mind meld.

@@Argenta_Rosa the point was to play the deck pure my dude.

​@@Argenta_Rosa I use krawler and a few other level 9 flips with prediction princess it slaps Or does absolutely nothing But when it slaps IT SLAPS

Tbf that's Konami making it easier if they need to ban it.

it saw a lot of play on release before ppl got bored of it

The ftk kind of needs curious to work. In Master duel you can't play it because all of the ftk cards are banned.

@@OsirusHandle Actually curious getting banned is why people stopped playing it.

I like to believe that he doesn't recognize them as real noble knights due to them being f*ench

It was mentioned I think the problem is that dragoon saw a lot of play he didn’t want to use cards that were independent powerful and saw play own it own

DM is too unsaveable to be worth mentioning

His comment on the stream was that Dark Magician did actually get several tops shortly after the release of Dragoon.

It was and still is played a lot and is super broken lol

Dragoon is an excellent card in Dark Magician after the BACH support gave them a Timaeus that says "I'm actually Poly for Dragoon lol".

It's literally Elemental HERO vs EVERY OTHER HERO archetype

@ignister was an excellent deck at an unfortunate time. No real events to show what it could do for around nine months and five months before a game changing set that shifted it down from tier 1/2 contender to solid rogue. By the time YCS Charlotte brought events back it had been power crept twice.

Ignisters were pretty good last year and even made a ycs finals during pote format which they lost to mystic mine burn However most of their success came from variants using a small mathmech engine, and that died with circular's ban

It was mentioned, just didn't make the cut for the video

It's not legacy support if the series its in is still going. If Springans got a new card now, it would be legacy support.

Remus wasn't even that good. It increased the ceiling of a deck that already had the highest ceiling out of any deck in the meta. A meta where Dragon Link wasn't topping because there weren't any events.

It was, it didn't make the cut

"By instant fusioning" 🗿🗿🗿

Those decks all reward deck mastery so they're the perfect fit for that one guy at locals who buys one new card every year but still somehow tops.

Yeah, it certainly did make him look like an illiterate clown with dementia since he couldn't read or remember what he started making a video about. Pretty funny.

But what did it do for Athurian Knights. It took a Token generator to make it worth while. Like it didn't actually do a whole lot compared to the other link 2 legacy + The 2 link 3 that saw play in decks OTHER then their associated decks. Like you make Isolde and search something, send 4 and summon Medraut. Oh wait, Medraut requires no other monsters to work use it's effect.

At some point he may have to stop putting the Wrong corner in videos because the meta will then transition to "be wrong on purpose to get featured in a KZfaq video". Just encourages the wrong kind of answers.

Yeah welcome to "Cards released in POTE not named Spright or Tearlament".

Even funnier that they made a main deck card specifically to pay to cost of the Link so you don't have to go minus your entire hand to do it.