I don’t understand how ANYTHING can be ranked on reliability if you going by the first 60k mileage with in the first year of the vehicle. I would love to see these numbers 10 years out.

I worked as a mechanic at a Lincoln/Mercury Dealership and a Ford Dealership owned by the same person in the 1980's. There was definitely a noticeable difference between the Lincoln customers and the Ford customers. The Lincoln customers would complain about noises that most people could not perceive. Several times we "solved" problems by finding and "fixing" a problem that did not actually exist (at no charge to the customer). I guess it is kind of like the placebo effect. I remember one lady complaining that her Town Car just started making a strange noise. It turned out to be wind noise from the mirrors, but she was unconvinced. We ended up taking off the power mirrors and taping over the holes in the door to convince her that it was the mirrors.

Buick is rated that high because they're bought by people who only drive them to the grocery store once a week and church on Sundays.

As much as people LOVE to rag on Genesis/Hyundai/Kia because of engine failures, but in reality if you look at what engines are failing, you'll see it's predominantly the 2.0L and 2.4L engines. I'm on my second Tucson (lost first one in car accident) and that thing has been absolutely SOLID. 73k miles (bought at 26k), and I just replaced the DCT transmission fluid yesterday. In fact it's scary that all I've done for maintenance is oil changes, air filters, and a top-off of my coolant. Zero engine issues, zero transmission issues. My previous one was the same way, although it did have one problem with an airbag light that was traced to a broken or loose connection on the passenger side front airbag. Other than that, no issues on either. It also helps that I have grown as a car enthusiast and reviewer myself, and found the Gamma 1.6T G4FJ engine is one of the most reliable Hyundai engines in production, and the two I've owned prove that claim is correct.

Really enjoyed your interaction in the video guys; had be laughing out loud talking about demographics vs reliability ratings. Love it.

Remember that consumer reports killed the Suzuki Samurai using questionable testing methods. They are not infallible. Also have to factor in that many reliability issues are infotainment system issues and many reports are sometimes user error. I wish they would come up with mechanical reliability ratings and separate the infotainment rankings.

Wow 4,000 miles with no issues, that's really impressive!

Glad to see Mazda is up there on the reliability rating. My mother has a 2014 CX5 she owned for almost 3 years with 170,000km and i bought a 2016 CX5 in august with 90,000km. This will be my first winter with my CX5 but the2014 never had any problems going though the wet heavy snow in Atlantic Canada and I'm guessing the 2016 should be the same. The AWD system works great. Fun to drive. The only thing I would change is the power but at 186 hp it still goes good and can Haul my sxs and if I would have got a newer one I would have got the 2.5L turbo

It's not a Roman-Tommy show until Tommy throws his glasses on the table and starts rubbing his eyes in exasperation. Kidding aside, loved the episode!

I'm with Tommy on this - the older demographic for sure struggles with the tech stuff. My mom and dad are always fussing about how the stuff in their truck isn't working right. I get in there, don't do a thing, and everything works fine. It's a very subjective view of the idea of "working" in terms of is it doing what you want vs what the programming allows it to do.

One of my friends started work as an intern same time I did in our org back in 2006 and he bought an Accord coupe that year or the year after. He's still driving it and just had it repainted. Something like 400k miles on that thing. Amazing.

Love hearing you guys talk, so much car knowledge between the two.

Growing up I remember being glued to The Nashville Network on Saturday mornings watching Car and Driver and Horsepower Garage. I really enjoy channels like TFL and the likes. Great vid guys.

Lexus is one of the few brands whose cars look better with a large license plate on the front.

I wish you guys would edit in the list on screen as you go. Keep up the great work 👍🏼

I own a 2020 Ram Warlock and I think the reason it has a low rating is some of the buold quality. As the team noted reliability is more than just powertrain for this survey. I've had 0 issues with the powertrain but the fender flares started to peel which is common. I've also heard of the powder coating coming off the steel bumpers. It's isn't a driving problem but is annoying and you have to take it in to get fixed if you care. I think the vehicle is dead reliable so the rating isn't super accurate.

I had electrical issues with my '13 JKU in under 100mi on the odometer. I was on the phone with Jeep talking to them to start the lemon when they begged me to take it to another dealer. Somehow that dealer had seen similar issues with a loosely crimped wire and I never had an issue with that again. Toward the end of my time with the Jeep the ECU failed causing a misfire. This was an experience that has taught me to never give a dealer more than 2 chances to fix the same problem. Never EVER accept an extended warranty with any limits on where you can take it. When something as BASIC as an ECU fails you need to lose that vehicle immediately. Sold the Jeep bought a ZR2 and haven't looked back.

My dad has a Lincoln with 98k and no problems. My Yota 4th Gen has 245k with 10k off road no problems. My 2011 3.6R Subaru Outback has 130k no engine issues but window controls don’t always work.

Really enjoyed this list and video. About Jeep, well, here in Puerto Rico we love those vehicles, they are quite good at the road conditions we have here.

Not surprised about Tesla. I find it funny when fanboys claim because no ICE more reliable, but any ICE today lasts way longer than a cell phone despite way more moving parts, I haven’t had an ICE issue since the 1980s.

On the Aviator, they're probably looking at the 20 model year. They had some teething problems same as Explorer did. I own a 21 Aviator and haven't had any issues with it and love it. That said, I think the Sync 3 is more annoying than earlier versions of Sync 3. This is my 4th vehicle with Sync 3 and whatever changed makes the new one worse.

I think it very much matters who the owner base is and who the car was engineered for. A rock crawl enthusiast will probably beat up and find a typical compact crossover unreliable when it can't handle the abuse, whereas someone who puts a lot of highway miles on their cars might hit the point where stuff wears out early on the most capable rock crawlers. "Experienced" folks who just want to get from A to B will find excessive/clunky(or even just advanced) tech and features as unreliable if they get lost in screens etc. I imagine once the tech in the Lincolns becomes more common and the user base adapts over time to using that type of tech, the number of poor reliability reports will fall.

I'll be very happy if my GX460 runs forever, such a great truck and I will be happy to drive it for many years.

TFL talk has to be the best channel out there for around the water cooler talk about trucks. Love this channel 👍💯

I just got a 21 JLU and after driving it across the country, the only issues I have with it are fit & finish related. My 15 Jetta has fewer creeks and panel gaps than the Jeep, but I knew that it probably would going in. That said, no other issues (that said, I only have about 5k miles on it). Transmission is flawless and it’s been amazing so far.

I have a Nissan 19' Titan PRO4X largely based on ya'lls reviews and love it. It is nice to see Mini get out of the basement.

I don't think Jeeps having quality issues is a misconception. I cross-shopped the Grand Wagoneer before I bought my '21 Escalade and it had atrocious fit and finish issues. Wrinkled leather, poor interior panel gaps, the tailgate trim didn't match up with the fixed trim on the body, and the touchscreens were glitchy and it had 11 miles on it. Totally unacceptable for an over 100K vehicle.

I share Roman’s opinion - Luxury should equal Reliability. Why it doesn’t in 2021 is a mystery

Thanks Tommy 😊 For sticking up for The bronco !!

I didnt hear anything about the zr2 or Chevy? R they reliable?

Shouldn’t long term be 10 years, 100,000 miles?

The speed sensitive adjust for the radio works in my 2019 Mazda 3 hatch back with the manual transmission.

1: I’m fairly young, and I HATE squeaking lol. 2: I’m calling out two brands: Jeep and Tesla people ALWAYS say their model/brand is the best. “My Jeep Cherokee is the best and most reliable. Except I did have to replace the transmission at 23K miles, ignore the squeak from the door, and my window sometimes stays rolled down. But it’s the BEST car I’ve owned!” 3: I do wonder how they contact people. If it’s only their annual members then that would skew heavily to older car owners. 4: Glad to see Honda & Acura high on the list. Part of the reason I’ve understood Acura to be lower is the touch pad for their system.

The most important thing to come out of this video is. Respect for one of the best ever. PINK FLOYD, COMFORTABLE NUMB.👍👍 The car stuff was also good.

I really appreciate your unbiased Truck/SUV commentary. Love your platform

I just bought a first year Grand Cherokee L and it’s amazing. Got myself the top tier trim level and it has an infrared night vision camera. Saved me from hitting 3 deer already! Amazing tech.🙌🏻

I have a 2011 Buick Enclave. It's been a great vehicle for me. I bought it used in 2015 with 88k miles on it. Today it has 225k miles on it. Outside of normal maintenance and wear and tear with age. I've not had any issues for reliability. As a professional driver. One of the greatest benefits is the smooth ride quality and quiet cabin. The main design issue I've noticed during my ownership. You can't drive with the windows down (above 20mph). The wind baffle is painful to your ears. Oh, and to Roman, the auto volume control works well.

Could it be that it’s difficult to find a Lincoln dealership to get them fixed because they are so backed up cause they closed to many dealerships

Really great video! But I also hate when you talk about “reliability” with cars you have had for less than even 20,000 miles in most cases. Basically any brand will have little to no problems after only that long. The people who care about reliability want the ones that will go 200-300,000 miles with little to no big problems.

93 pre OBDII 5 speed manual Accords and 6 speed manual Acura Legends are 2 of the best cars ever made

Looks like junior just pulled senior out of bed... Noice bed hair sir. Lol

Had a 2020 Lincoln Avaitor Grand Touring. Loved the looks of the car and the EV part …… but it was junk! Lincoln ended up buying it back because it was too expensive to fix it

Jeep Cherokee Limited 2WD 2019, 15,000 miles. 0 problems, 2 or 3 really minor software recalls.

Excellent quality focus by Mazda and Buick. Buick especially surprised me because the Encore and Envision are both foreign built (South Korea and China respectively) yet the Enclave is a NIGHTMARE in terms of reliability, along with its sisters Traverse and Acadia, Lincoln has a much older owner demographic that seems to be struggling with in-vehicle electronics, like Sync 4. There's no other reason for such a wide difference in quality perception with its Ford cousins

Nissan usually has good and reliable engines. It's their older automatic transmissions and CVT that's the problem. Now that they're ditching their CVTs (hopefully, because I don't see the Rogue ditching the CVT), we'll have to wait a few years to see whether they'll improve or drop reliability wise.

My data point for what it’s worth. Have been a CR subscriber since my twenties. I consistently fill out the surveys as objectively as I can. I have had six Toyota’s With more than 1,000,000 combined km across the six. 99 Tercel, 09 matrix, 13 Tacoma, 18 corolla, 16 highlandeR (still have, zero issues, ICE, tows our 4500 lb trailer), 21 Rav4. To date, we lost a bearing in the Tacoma’s AC compresseR as where we live the selector is always on defrost (with ac) so it’s going all year, And the 09 matrix chucked two charcoal canisters. That’s it. Had a 11 forester which was a nightmare to 115000 km... when we dropped it for the HL it was drinking 2L of oil every 3000 km. And had a 08 f150 (last year for that gen) and it was a nightmare (bought secondhand with 60000 km, sold at 70000 after having to do repairs every month on drivetrain - suspension). Cr isn’t perfect. But Toyota hasn’t let me down to date, but I’m just one data point . I worry about their turbo hybrids now.

Part of the equation is people's perception comes into play. People buy a Toyota because they think it's more reliable.....so, they are going to say it's reliable no matter water... and/or defend their purchase. If that same person buys a Jeep, which they think is unreliable, then they are going to complain about anything that is wrong with it.

Way to go Mazda! Too bad they're doing away with the Mazda 6 after this year.

I have a 2017 Nissan Pathfinder sl it just passed 60,000 miles. It’s been great ! The only issue was it needed a new steering rack at 48,000 miles. I changed the CVT fluid at 50,000 miles. I also have a aunt with a 2012 quest without any issues with 70,000 miles and my cousin has a 2011 rouge with 90,000 miles with no cvt issues as well. I guess it just depends on how you maintain your vehicle. I hope to get many more years of reliability from my pathfinder.

the removal of the jeep branding from the wagoneer because of the enormous expense is a bad way to deal with what should be a good problem, heading up-market. but the wagoneer competes basically HAD to compete in the navigator/escalade class because it is a jeep, and it was always going to cost heaps more than a suburban or a expedition because it was going to have to be "trail-rated". it's the same story with all jeeps, if you're going to force them to be 10k more than competition, you might as well take them to the luxury segment.

If a car has some “advanced” system to help with its gas mileage or more tech than mechanical it’s most likely going to be unreliable

I love the topic, Im getting a new car ina couple months and I keep changing between Toyota, Honda, Mazda, and the Hyundai/Kia models. This was great to hear your thoughts

Most of the vehicles that dropped in the ratings seem to share 1 thing. They offer alot of powertrain packages. It's hard to really distinguish this data when there's not enough micro data on it. As in what powertrain they were suffering the most issues with.

Tommy, all manufacturers share platforms with their basic brand and their luxury brands. Toyota Rav4 / Lexus NS..... Honda Pilot/Acura MDX, .... it's cost effective to take a basic platform and add some features and higher level interiors and you have a different vehicle to sell. Good review and comments! Really enjoyed it. Funny thing Buick is up there but most of them are made in China and Taiwan. Only Buick made and engineered here is the Enclave. Honda is more "American content" by far, over 90% US content vs Buick...which is made and designed mostly overseas .... Sad. Roman... I agree with you. If something is squeaking or rattling in my car, I HAVE to find it and make it stop.

Great coverage as usual guys! 1) Domestic automakers have always been like NASA - build with the absolute cheapest parts possible to maximize profit. Their electrical systems especially. 2) I can applaud MB for cutting edge tech, but not if I'm going to pay $100K for an EQS just to be their test bed. If the computer only works half the time, would they be upset if I sent payment half the time? 3) Elon Musk is NOT an automaker. He is an eccentric billionaire with more irons in the fire than imaginable. Tesla, Tesla Solar, Space X, on and on. If he ONLY focused on his cars they might be fantastic.

My 2019 Ram 1500 classic has had so many issues it’s laughable. Love the truck but I can sell it right now for more than I payed, so I’m thinking about selling it for another car.

Invalid sample size of me but my 2016 civic had to go the the dealer for issues 3 times under warranty, my 22 porsche macan has had 0 trips to the dealer, at this point in my civic ownership I already had a check engine light and major repairs, the macan is flawless

As a former subscriber of CR, I only did the auto survey when I was passed at my car!

Good job Tommy. So have you guys done a long term reliability and be more interested in that as well.

My first car as a teenager was a Chrysler Crossfire and it felt like a maraca on wheels with how badly screwed together the interior was. Despite being an extremely reliable vehicle in pristine condition all of the way around, including mechanically, I got rid of it as soon as I could. Part of me regrets that but a larger part of me knows that I was not going to be able to get past the feeling that the car was surely going to fall into a million pieces when I hit the next bump in the road.

This is interesting knowledge. Thanks guys.

Did these guys just jump out of bed to do this podcast? Jeeze I thought I looked tired and wore out at work!

Haha, yes one of the guys at work has the same thing going on with his Bronco…Nothing to Full Pull everything at Max with regards to the Air Conditioning. He says it is so annoying as it will not change until he shuts the vehicle off and restarts it. The dealer has no idea…

I had a 2017 Yukon Denali. I had SO many issues with it! It was in the shop at least once a month, every month of ownership. I couldn't handle the frustration anymore and traded it in after only 6 months. Sad to see that the new generation is as unreliable as the last.

I’ve got a 2018 KIA Niro HEV that has been great with 74,000 miles on it, but there was a check engine light at around 42,000 miles for a catalytic converter problem. It had to be replaced and was in the shop for 3 days, primarily waiting on the part to arrive. Otherwise, despite higher maintenance costs compared to a normal ICE vehicle(mine is a hybrid), it has been a great car and still gets great gas mileage.

57:32 Tommy takes off glasses 👓 cus dads bein a dad lol

CR includes so many things in their reliability issues like road handling. I wish it had engine and transmission in one section then electronics in another for their electronic reliability.

Did I miss any mention of Land Rover, particularly the Defender?

Thanks for the info guys I'm doing my research right now my lease on my Toyota Camry is up in April think I'm going to a small suv But the way things are right now I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to order it by the end of February

Lincoln offering it’s customers those 30 way seats probably didn’t help. Incredible, perhaps, when or if they worked. Thanks for another insightful list. Cheers!

Man as a 2021 mazda 3 owner this makes me happy about my purchase

The late 80s and early-to-mid 90s will always be the sweet spots in the automotive industry for me, owning most of my vehicles and liking most vehicles from those eras. - And honestly, I always thought Buick should’ve been phased out instead of Pontiac (although Pontiacs became horrible = Aztek, G5, Vibe, Solstice), but having ridden in many Pontiacs including 2 6000s my great aunt owned in the 80s, I’ll never forgive GM for that decision. - Great talk guys! 🔥

Could we get list from the cars/trucks you guys own/owned?

The Buick is the most reliable domestic brand only because buyers of Buicks are typically older (as in their 70s) retired people who just don’t drive very far in a given year. This is why for decades now Buick has been the highest rated domestic brand. GM knows this and takes care to not overcomplicate the entertainment and other control and instrumentation systems in these cars in the U.S. market so as not to cause confusion for older drivers. However, Buicks are built on the same assembly lines as other GM vehicles and should, as a result, be of similar quality. Please note that I am not disparaging seniors as I am one myself, but just stating the obvious. Prior to retirement I drove over 30k miles per year and my old commuter car, a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid, has 325k miles on it. Now I drive less than 5k miles per year, so naturally less repairs are needed on any vehicle I drive. Consumer Reports needs to be clearer regarding the demographics from which they derive their survey results, as different vehicles are typically driven by people of differing age groups and in different ways. Thus, survey results automatically contain biases and this impacts the reported performance and reliability of the vehicles. Some of Consumer Reports ratings just don’t make sense on a macro level. For example the Fords and Lincoln’s are built in the same factories by the same employees, and except for trim pieces and some electronics, use parts from the same suppliers. Thus, it is not logical for the Fords to be rated significantly higher than the Lincoln’s, which are in last place.

Lol, the ending was awesome, old vs young arguments.

Happy Holidays fellas! Take care and God bless

I’m on my second mini and never had an issue, service it’s always top notch

ps my 2010 jeep only has 230000 on it siting on 37s i had to change oil on it very often the heater sucks sand in the block dam jeep just sold my yj with the 351 v8 in it

I can’t understand how these guys are so creative in their interpretation of the data they’re looking at. Jeep is in transition, lol.

Addressing the idea of Acura being a different badge on a Honda: WRONG. I had a 1996 Acura 2.5 TL. It had a superficial resemblance to a Civic of that era. But it weighed TWO TONS and most of the weight was very well chosen. The 2.5 was a five cylinder purely from Acura, could cruise at 27 mpg but when punched a whole different set of intake passages etc. kicked in and it acted like a 5 liter V8. It was a blast. And when I was driving it in 2016, 20 years old, the original transmission was still perfect (fluid and filter changed once), and so was the HVAC system. And the suspension and joints and brakes were way heavier duty. My Nissan Sentra B14, which I liked a lot, went through multiple sets of ball joints commuting into Tulsa on some badly maintained roads. But the Acura over a roughly equal time, only one set. It is much heavier duty while performing well. Today's Acura TLX is similar in basic approach: a two ton plus compact luxury sedan with either 272 or 355 hp, similar fuel efficiency to my 1996, and massive but very compliant suspension and undercarriage. If I were buying a new car tomorrow, I would seriously consider it.

Got to say Consumer Report sold out about a 09/2010. When they started saying Cadillac was the most reliable. I'm going to say there's honest mechanics out there was better shows.

WOW! I can see why people are paying $20K+ over msrp for Broncos. Another quality Ford product.😂

I'd rather know the most common issues for each make/model//year. Such as... transmission is known to fail; water pump is known to fail; electrical system is known to fail; fast burning oil is known, etc.

We have been driving the current Sportage and are looking into buying the new model now. No issues whatsoever, but then again we are in Europe and the Sportage for Europe is built here and has different powertrains compared to the US. But taxis here drive Kias for 200-300k kms and they swap them for new ones as they are bulletproof and relatively affordable compared to competition. So I am not sure how to read this Consumers Reports rating.

Great show I really enjoy watching even though Roman seems to be a dodge representative lol 😂

Lincoln (Ford) had a horrible rollout of the Aviator, quality assurance was non-existent. Same problems for the Corsair, my first-year Corsair had EVERY body panel misaligned; interestingly the front fenders are glued on, so they had to unglue my fenders to realign. After initial quality issues resolved, we love the Corsair.

Age is definitely and issue. When I was young I didn't care what bangs rattles noises my car made, the louder the better. Now all I want is the most quiet, smoothest, don't feel any bump, numb ride I can get.

Shame about the Aviator. It's a nice looking vehicle.

Encore GX, Encore, Envision, Enclave. I'm not sure if Buick still builds other models in the US.

Honestly I am old school (45) for years only bought Honda… but honestly I do believe that the older 90s Honda’s were much more reliable than the fancy 2017 V6 fully loaded touring Accord I have today!!! Not a bad car at all , but had a few issues electronically with in the first few years!! Nothing major or breakdowns… just irritated with some of the glitches with the technology… love the power of the 3.5 V6 but seems to drink a lot of gas!! But can’t have everything!!

Subaru number 6..good for them.. moving on… Also Mini turned things around in about 2016. The CR data is starting to show this now. I’m a little concerned about the “average” ratings on Toyotas now, as a prospective buyer.

How are Jaguar and Land Rover not in the Bottom 10??? I’m shocked.

That ending was amazing

From the cars/trucks we owned, the most reliable and the least costly to maintain car/truck was our 2010 Toyota Prius. Nothing broke on that car for 150,000 miles. We even did not replace the brakes. But that car was only good for city driving. I was very miserable on long trips. I could not stand it after 2 hours of driving. As a result of that experience, I would never buy a Prius or hybrids that use a similar setup as the Prius has, mainly because of the droning sound. I do no want to own a car with CVT as well. All other cars we owned were reliable too, except for our first car -- 1994 Ford Taurus. Our 2014 Honda Odyssey was reliable, a lot of rattling noise though, but nothing really major -- one ignition coil and the solenoid valve were replaced. No other issues for 125,000 miles. Our 2007 Suburban had only one issue, a little part related to the emission system broke down because of dirt buildup, which was about $40, and it took me 5 minutes to replace it. Not bad for an American brand. I sold it when the SUV was 125,000 miles and it still remains one of my wife's favorite vehicle we have ever owned. The least reliable cars I owned were two Lincolns and one Ford, but nothing major for DIYers. These three cars were constantly braking down. That is why I said to my wife if I ever consider to buy a Ford/Lincoln again, she should remind me as kicking me in the b**t not to do it. No matter what Ford does, they have lost me as customer, period. Now, we have a 2021 Tundra, and finally, I can say that I have a Toyota, which I really like how it rides and it is still a very reliable vehicle.

When I saw your video about getting the TESLA fixed I remember thinking that it had horrible build quality.

I’m guessing the problem with the new wranglers isn’t so much the wrangler but more the new 392, 4xE, 2.0… all the new engines that they’re putting in the jeep to fight the bronco. I think that’s probably a big part of the unreliability

interesting i have owned a Nissan years ago but people say there not reliable lol. i didnt have any issues with the 2 i owned.

I suspect it’s a technology issue with Lincoln..

In fall 2019 my uncle bought a 2018 Ram 1500 and he hasn’t had any issues with it.

You mentioned quite a few of vehicles from the middle tier but nothing about Ford. Would have loved to hear some of those.