Local Ford dealer in my area had a firm $10,000 market adjustment on Mach E.....now, the same dealer has 13 of them in stock and....$0 adjustment 😮

Cars are too expensive. That's why they don't sell.

The reason new Miatas aren't selling is because they raised the price $8k over the last 3 years. 30% price increase

128 days on the lot and still marked up

The Jeep Cherokee has suffered from reliability issues, especially electrical and electronic issues, since its introduction in 2014. For years, its 9-speed automatic was a rough shifting, gear-hunting transmission. What probably dunked the Cherokee in 2023 was Jeep ceasing to offer the 3.2 V6 engine. Jeep's 2.0L turbo does not have a very good reputation for reliability or longevity. By comparison, the 3.2 V6 wasn't too bad. And, of course, price. Back in 2019-20, one could buy a pretty loaded new Cherokee Trailhawk in the $30K range in actual out-the-door price. In 2020, I looked at 2019 in perfect condition with under 26K miles that I could have bought for $19K from a Jeep dealer.

The OGs. Always great to see you guys together.

You mentioned a Buick Envision as a slow selling used car, but showed an Envistas which isn't even out yet! Whoops!!

Jeep products (and for that matter Stellantis products) seem to be victim of dealers thinking they need to "collect" vehicles on the lot and not sell them - apparently they haven't gotten the "memo" that most of the supply chain and inventory issues are (mostly) over and it's time to start making deals again. When a moderately equipped Renegade is topping $40k (based on addendums) it's time to wax up the water skis and prepare to jump the shark... I just laugh because I'm probably not going to buy one anyways but would consider a RAM truck or a Jeep Wrangler or Jeep Truck but the prices are just too darn high...

We agree with Nathan, the Ford Mach E is NOT, just NOT, a Mustang, I wish that Jim Farley would tell his people to stop calling it that. (This opinion is from me and four of my friends :)

The Land Rover, like most high end cars, is great until the warranty runs out, which is fine for those who can afford a new one. But for those looking for a good used car, they are best avoided.

You are showing the video of the Buick Envista, not Envision. Both times. Incidentally, the Envision is a very nice reliable car. It lacks a bit in power, but the rest of the car is well done.

We were able to lease a Avenir AWD Envision almost a year ago. It was what they had on the lot so we went with it. Dealer went under MSRP to move it since they had it for a while. Its been flawless over and back mountain passes on a weekly basis in the PNW and its almost at 20k miles. Its definitely worth taking a look at it if you can score a great deal.

I got a Ford edge sport, and it's actually a great and relatively fast vehicle. 360hp if I remember correctly, and has everything you could possibly want.

They wouldn’t necessarily have to make the Miata bigger overall, they just need to modify the interior slightly. They can reposition the seat tracks and compromise a couple of inches of trunk space, then maybe add an inch or so of leg room to the footwell. People don’t generally buy those for their trunk capacity. They buy them to track and cruise around in. Trunk space is just a bonus and you can pack light for long trips.

I picked up a used Cherokee a year and a half ago,Got an absolute screaming deal on it. Its a 2020 with the v6 … almost fully loaded. Had 23k miles on it . Its been reliable, no issues. Its almost at 60k miles now, i drive it a lot .

It all comes down to price, Buick products are far too expensive for what you get, especially comparing them to their competition.

You showed footage of the Buick Envista, not the Buick Envision.

Many of these cars would sell better if they were cheaper. E.g. the Mustang. The whole point of the pony car is that it's cheap and powerful. But noooo, lets make it expensive and then complain about low sales😅

Problem with the Miata is the fact that it's not a practical car. It's a 2nd or 3rd car which is why it takes longer to sell. I own and daily drive a '21 Club soft top and I love the car, but it was a 3rd vehicle for me...now a second that I sold my motorcycle. I can daily the car since my kid is now off in college.

128 days, manufacturers must be loving the flooring fee

It's not just vehicle pricing. It's also the high interest rates the greedy banks are charging on auto loans. We call dealerships greedy but let the lenders of the vehicles we purchase slide.

I love the Miata. My wife and I are shorter so it works for us. A Miata is very likely our next vehicle.

Miata also only has a payload rating of 320 lbs. 320 lbs for two Americans isn't much.

Don’t assume that dealers are willing to deal. In 2015 when the redesigned Mustang came out my local dealer had a 2014 model which he wouldn’t discount. That car sat there for 2 more years while he dug in his heels and refused to drop the price. You still see ADMs and junk options slapped on top of the sticker. It’s no wonder people are walking away.

Only thing risker than buying a used Land Rover product is buying any used EV.

One of the most fun cars I have ever bought is a 2015 Chevy Spark EV. Not much range, but it was only $12,500. It reminds me of my Fiesta ST.

They have so little to say about the Envision, they don’t even show an Envision.

Don't most of these dealerships buy cars on loan? So having them sit for 30 days or more means they have to pay interest on them, which is just straight money lost. You'd think they'd be more motivated to sell them, but they aren't in my area.

What are the top 10 fastest selling new/used cars?

I guess the video insert for the Dicovery Sport relates for the other Discovery, the bigger one, not the Sport variant which is mentioned at the video

I believe the Buick Envision is manufactured in China. That’s a deal breaker for me.

When I test drove the new Blazer. The salesman asked what I thought so I told him. I felt like it was a rebadged equinox which I had owned for a year.

I'd feel very comfortable saying that a vast majority of people +/- 90% only use their cars to get back and forth to work. For practical purposes what's the point of buy a vehicle with a bunch of bells and whistles that you're probably not going to use. I went that route once. I sat in my driveway one day with my fully loaded 2020 Cadillac CTS realized that I don't used most of options, touch screen settings or barely use the GPS and the cameras. I traded it in for a 2021 chevy colorado WT. But I also bought a really cool ATV with the leftover money. 😅

The falcon wing doors are a game changer. Everyone I know with a Model X loves them. No problems with them after 40K miles on a 2019.

It was nice to hear you talk once an a wile between the ads!

I feel like the current gen Nissan Murano is one of the most iconic "boring cars" of the 2010s. I dont know why I think that but it stands out much more than any of other Nissans normal generic cars. I see a lot of them too.

Hyundai and Kia killing sales because they are still more affordable…….. more manufacturers should look at always keeping prices affordable so everyone can enjoy a new vehicle once and awhile.

The Buick Envision you are showing video of is actually the Buick Envista

How much do you think dealer adjustment pricing affects the vehicles being on this list?

Chrylaser 300 is a great car. Doesnt have all the new tech standard. 30 mpg on the highway with AWD with the 3.6L. I just bougjt my 2nd, a 2020 model.

I just want an affordable used Toyota 4wd Tacoma, tundra, or 4Runner. With no turbo, electric, or hybrid engines.

Does this list show by region? Here in Montana they can't keep the Cherokee on the lot. If you drive down the hwy where I live it seems about every 3rd SUV is a Cherokee. I'm one of them. I got an offer from the dealer to pay mine off (owed 12k at the time) and give me 5k as downpayment and put me in a different vehicle so they had it to sell.

My neighbor had a Land Rover Evoqe. He had the transmission replaced under warranty but said it would have been around $15k without the warranty. That's a car that you don't call a tow truck when it breaks down, you just walk away.

Good vid. Please lose the distracting background music. Thank you. Also, you showed footage of the Land Rover Discovery and not the Discovery Sport. They are 2 different models.

Thanks for info your knowledge guys, about Miata nice car and agree with you I'm 5.8. Tall and I tried for few minutes in Ny auto show and figured my self 2 oh 3 hours drive will be uncomfortable.

I guess the Envision is so popular no one noticed that you showed the Envista 😅

Electric cars have a long way to go before being just expensive toys. Rented a model 3 to go on a 250 mile round trip. Had to stop twice to charge. Also an EV fire at a local townhouse development burned down 8 houses. EV charging in parking structures or underground parking is banned in parts of Britain.

The Cherokee is very understandable. One of the last remnants of the Fiat junk they slapped a Jeep badge on. I get the fact they were trying to capitalize on name recognition but try a worthy vehicle. Don't get me stared on the Blazer and the bigger disappoint, the Bronco. Ford slaps that name on anything with 4 wheels.

I don't imagine base model 5.0 manual mustangs as being the issue with sitting on a lot for long. They are completely in an unmatched sweet spot when it comes to dollars/HP, so having it specified as such is unrealistic. They sell themselves. What is staying on the lot in the Mustang world are the bloated, heavily optioned cars that dealerships and manufacturers thought would sell like hotcakes. Well if you load up a Mustang, you get close to the realm of say a base model Corvette and a lot of other cars. Enough so that the loaded Mustangs price themselves out of the running. Try to find a base 5.0 with a stick. Lemme know about that big discount you're expecting. Cheers.

I think the problems with the Miata are, as you said size, but I also don't think that it's doing well as a club racer. The older Miatas, whether new or used were excellent candidates for racing. It didn't take a lot of extra money to prep one for the track and there would be so many that they were sometimes raced as their own class.

Used electric cars are also suspect of battery life or failure issues

People will have hesitations on used EVs until charging is improved and battery life is proven. Look at what Lexus just did with RZ. Only so many fast charging cycles and etc.

I have a 21, Cherokee Trailhawk and just love it.

In no real order: Buick Enclave, Buick Envision, Chevy Blazer, Chrysler 300, Mazda MX5 Miata, Nissan Leaf, Rangerover, Landrover Discovery Sport, Tesla Model X, Tesla Model S, Infiniti QX80, Ford Edge, Lincoln Aviator, Jeep Cherokee, Ford Mustang, and Mustang Mach-E

The leaf and the Miata are both so long because of price. The leaf sold great when they did the $199 lease. That’s where it should be priced for being it’s nothing special. When you look at a 7 year old used car and it can do 30 miles on a full charge. That’s why it doesn’t sell.

The MX-5 Miata surprises me - when I've looked for another one (sold my RF when prices were insane during the lockdown and made bank) they're not easy to find (in any trim) and when you do they won't deal on them - I'm probably only in the market for one of these for another couple years as I'm getting up there in years and can't justify getting in and out of it. For whatever reason my 2 door Mini JCW is easy and it's much quieter on the road (less fun even JCW) then the MX-5 but more practical....

Xt4 is a fine driving suv. Unfortunate about the generic GM styling. What? They can't sell a Land Rover? Maybe they need to offer a 10year 150K mile bumper to bumper warranty. But that would probably bankrupt the company.

I can say with a high level of certainty I have not seen an add for a Buick that wasn't a Enclave in a very long time

When the video started talking about Lincoln reliability problems a Lincoln ad started playing

Lincoln Aviator has a stop sale order due to 360 camera issues. That is the only reason that it is on the list.

Speaking of Chevy mistakes. I bought a new Chevrolet Trailblazer in 2004. Body on Frame, terrific 275 hp inline 6 DOHC engine, 4WD, low range transfer case, towing package (6000 lbs), underbody protection, recovery hooks, etc. It is pretty good off road - would be even better if Chevy had evolved it with a rear locker/limited slip diff and 2 inches of lift. Love the car but after 225k miles I decided to get another primary vehicle (still have the TB as a utility vehicle, though). I would have definitely got another one - except Chevy punted on vehicles in this class. Got a Grand Cherokee Trailhawk instead in '21. At least Jeep didn't forget about its heritage.

The average priced new vehicle in the US is $48,000 in 2023. I was sticker shocked, but most new vehicles sold are full sized trucks & SUVs. There you have it. Unreal.

Murano is an awesome road trip car! Very nice ride.

Yeah you hit it right on the Miata , that passenger side floor is too tight , my wife would complain on anything over going to the milk store. She’s 5,8” and she would have a complaint.

I've been eyeballing a couple of 2023 Dodge Challenger Rt and Scatpack. One of them has been on the lot for 3 months possibly longer because that's when I saw it.

I know they are known for problems but my 2019 Cherokee Overland V6 has been completely trouble free so far in the 40K miles I’ve put on it. And it’s got every option you could put on them and everything has worked flawlessly

I considered the Jeep Cherokee. A few on the local dealers lot was good. Zero off msrp was bad. Haven't bought anything yet.

Love the Miata but it’s too expensive.

The OG of TFL buddy teams! More Roman and Nathan! Woo hoo! YMMV, but I really love the chemistry of these videos! PS - I have been on a Range Rover / Mustang phase lately. Mostly trying to talk the wife out of liking the range rovers and me having always wanting a manual mustang.

I agree with the 5.0 manual poverty spec…but the modal exhaust is worth the $$$.

I love my 2023 Jeep Compass Latitude, I bought the first one in LA I did a factory order there were no '23's on any lot in LA when I bought mine, there was a ton of the '22 but they don't have the turbo and I wanted a light color interior not black, I hate black color interiors so I did my special order. It took 2 days to be built to my exact request from the configurator and then 2 months to get delivery of my laser blue pearl jeep MP with 2.0 turbo 8spd 4x4. Its a quick little SUV and for me who never lets anyone else in my car its perfect. I wanna remove the 2nd row seats get a portal lift, bigger offroad wheels, and a winch one day in the future.

If UAW strike for a significant amount of time, we will be back to a shortage market for the big 3

I love my Murano. It just works, rides great, and is super comfortable.

If the Mazda dealer in my area was actually willing to deal, I’d get another anther Miata

EVs are extraordinarily unpopular among the great masses of Americans. Toyota is smart going conservatively and featuring hybrids.

I've had a Buick Enclave for the last 3 years. No problems, loaded and very comfortable with a 3.6L six cylinder. I previously had a Traverse and traded it in at 135K miles. That was a pretty good car, too.

I must be lucky because I own both an older Range Rover Supercharged and an LR3/Discovery 3 and they have been rock solid reliable. I’ve driven them on long multi State trips without any problem.

There is no better lux SUV pluggable then the Black Label Aviator! I drove it coast to coast, day trips, and all around town now for three years now. I get 30 MPG highway and with the 20 mile battery I can do all our errands while paying 9 cents per Kwh! But the best is 500 HP with 600 lbs torque and 0-60 in 5.0 sec! And that’s in a 5800 lbs car!.

Hey guys, I would add the Ford Ecosport to your list, because it just was too small for our market, since it was an import from Ford's European arm.

There's cars at my neighborhood dealerships that have been on their lots for over 365 days without any price reductions. It's crazy!

I believe the Cherokee is being hurt by the redesign compass. I have seen compasses popping up all over the place. Even my wife choose a Compass Trailhawk over a cherokee limited. Based off looks alone

The Envision, Blazer and AT4? Don’t they share the same platform?

I worked @ the Cherokee assembly plant. They quit making it over a yr & a half ago.

I sold my Traihawk for $11,000 over what I owed on it a year and a half ago!

im glad to see the Blazer struggling. GM deserves to reap the downfalls from that idiotic decision.

I was surprised for the miata being on the list because here in Canada it’s hard to find a brand new one with stick shift so I was wondering if the ones that are hard to sell are the automatic GT ones

did you consider if the cars sitting longer is due to insane dealer ADMs?

23’ Jeep Gladiators with $13k in discounts my local dealer has had 17 Mojave’s and 19 rubicons, with the discount $47k

If they had brought back the Blazer as an actual off-roader like the Bronco and not as a generic crossover it would sell like crazy.

What happens to all those old Teslas that nobody wants to buy or maintain? Does Telsa recycle them? Throw them in the recycle bin? Me I'd never buy a stellantis or Land Rover (owned by Tata motors) for their reliability issues. A 5.0 Mustang would be great but most folks can't afford 2 cars with today's pricing unless the family is daily driving them. When prices got so high folks won't shell out for ones that have a reliability issue reputation.

The mustang we wanted was an awd manual ecoboost we’d like to drive it year around.

Do this again with Andre. Roman is a very clever guy, all comments are on point. However, Nathan can’t keep up with him. Andre is smart too and very knowledgeable. Going forward, do this with Andre 😉

Don't think the downsize hurt the Mx-5. Annual ND sales on average are slightly stronger each year than the NC, apart from the NC's first 2 years. I know a few people waiting and hoping on an infotainment update considering the next model year is coming up.

The Buick Envision is actually a very nice car. It is under the radar, under rated and easily overlooked. I have a 2021and love it. The only knock is it's made in China. Btw you showed a picture of the Buick Envista, not the Envision.

At 8:10, the most important part of the video was made without even knowing it. What kind of automotive future is there with EVs? Specifically, what kind of used market can we expect in the coming years, especially for those states that have set deadlines for banning new car sales of ICEs? IMO, it's going to be exactly like the smartphone market, and that is an extremely scary thought. First and foremost, because there is no used phone market, who wants a used phone? It's out of date, and nobody wants used technology. Machines-sure, you'll buy them used. But technology, not so much. It's throw-away merchandise. I don't really see how a used car market can survive and continue to exist with the full adoption of EVs. Manufacturers will stop supporting car designs after a few years and move on, leaving only a few more years of 3rd party refurbished parts. Battery and motor tech. keeps advancing and changing, so after 20 years, an owner will be SOL when a battery or motor fails. Plus, if buying a used car, the buyer will have to factor in the full cost of a new battery for the vehicle, so every used car will automatically have that cost, and batteries are not cheap. But that's left out of the value of the car, so car insurance will be totaling cars still worth $20k-$30k with possible battery pack damage from minor accidents because the battery packs are not serviceable and the Gov't has allowed the car manufacturers to build all EVs and hybrids like that for the past 20 years.

I would get the miata. Love those little cars, always wanted one.

I would rather buy a mid-2010's Honda Odyssey Touring eight-passenger minivan with the six-speed automatic transmission, as well as the 3.5 L V6 engine than any of these other vehicles.

The '23 Mustang would be my choice as to the one to buy, but the GT Premiums I've driven are exceedingly painful when it comes to their anemic single digit fuel mileage (as reported in the dash screen) with somewhat spirited driving. With sedate (i.e., boring) legal limited freeway driving I managed to get about 17 mpg, which is about what I get with my relatively ancient '96 Porsche 993. When I was looking, some of the local dealers had new '23 GT Premiums as low as $40K, though most were still pricing the cars in the upper 40s. But the '23 GT Premium S550 would be the one I'd get...if I could get over the paltry fuel economy. Besides, the front face of the '24 Mustang seems to borrow too heavily from the face of the last Camaro; not exactly a look that any Ford guy (which I'm really not) would want. And even though I'm not a Ford fanboy, if I DO buy a Ford I don't want it to remind me and other car enthusiasts of a Chevy. As for the rest of the cars on your two lists; I can't ever imagine myself owning a Land Rover product. Everyone I know who's owned one has had more than their fair share of reliability woes. The Miata is the Miata; fun to drive in virtually all of its past and present iterations, but it's just not as special as it once was when the "affordable" sports car market was more their own. I've owned Nissans/Datsuns in the past and I think I've pretty much had my fill of them. Aside from a chance of owning a R34 generation of Godzilla or maybe a turbo 300ZX Z32, there aren't a lot of models that are bucket list-worthy. And besides, neither of those qualify to be on your lists. Most of the SUVs and CUVs are just forgettable to me, so they're not particularly appealing. The Cherokee was once the king of SUVs but past experience with older faulty and unreliable generations of them has tainted my thoughts regarding the name plate. The 300 however has a coolness factor even though sedans are (I think unfairly) currently passé in the overall eyes of the marketplace. I don't see myself owning one, but I do think that they're pretty good looking as sedans go and perhaps could be a muscle car-ish collectible in the future given the right spec and engine (HEMI V-8 all day long).

If I were a luxury SUV guy I'd go for the Aviator but I spend too much time off road.

You didn't show a Buick Envision, you showed a Buick Envista! Get it together gents ...