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Generic extra deck monsters should not feature negates. A meaningful interruption should be on an archtype's boss. More xenophobic restrictions.

I’ll just summarize the rant I’ve had with generic extra deck boss monsters with this: No generic boss monster should be better than those you have to work to get. The more generic they are, the weaker their effects should be. That’s how you begin to control the power creep and get more creative archetype boss monsters

The problem is that the extra deck went from being a boss monster gallery into a second hand full of the strongest extenders. Extra deck monsters should be the end of a play, not win more cards on demand.

90% of extra decks today all look the same 💀

Nah bro fuck Baronne that card easily outshines all but a handful of synchros in the game. 1 tuner + 1 non-tuner and no further requirements or setup required to make an omni that also DESTROYS is just apalling. Card is so insane that even something like snake eyes will slot it in as the only synchro besides formula to climb into her.

I don’t think it’s just to sell cards but also an excuse for Konami to not have to bother creating unique ED support for every archetype. Why bother creating individually big bosses, negaters and disruptors when you can just give them all easy access to Barrone, savage and access code? Or why bother creating unique individual extenders for certain types like fire when they can all just utilize promethean princess?

I think what’s annoying is that most generic boss monsters negate. It feels hopeless when your opponent has 4 say “No” set up on their first turn. That’s why Zeus doesn’t feel annoying.

Baronne had no business being a generic synchro

We can fix everything wrong with Yu-gi-oh with just one thing: bring back the concept of drawback. Most cards don't have drawbacks, or minor ones, or ones that actually become perks. If we want to go further, not making everything require generic materials would be nice.

Making a whole video to argue banning Apollousa is wild LOL I agree with the bulk of the video though. Less generic ED boss monsters, please.

'In mannadium,you crush your balls' seems totally accurate but not in the right way

Generic boss monster not only bad mechanically, but also aesthetically weird, imagine playing rock mining deck who its gameplay are digging your main deck (excavating cards) and your boss monster is a flower-knight lady, gun themed dragon, and a fairy with a bow. And then your next turn you summon big robot with a lance

The Prize card formats were unreal. How did that even happen?

The most fun games I've ever played recently are when both me and my opponent don't use those generic extra deck monsters. I can only imagine the relief they feel when I Special Summon Trumpeter or Big Waraji with their own effects and lock myself into pure Superheavy Samurai.

Archetypal boss monsters should ALWAYS be tribal locked. Having them be generic negates any point in playing their home archetype. Do I think generic boss monsters shouldn't exist? No but they shouldn't be the most powerful options and feature some of the most powerful negates. That should be the trade off for mixing engines and decks, you don't have the level of power a pure or mostly pure deck could have.

Honestly they also need to stop making cards that will obviously be used in a ftk and also just ban ftk cards in general. The new gimmick puppet support is a consistent ftk that can do it in more than one way while also being unaffected by monster effects which is stupid.

As a HERO player, I'm kinda frustrating to see people adding the DPE engine in their "generic negate/pop board". It's just when you see your favorite boss monster being played in such a deranged deck full of generic negates and pops when it should've been your exclusive boss hurts me. And it's also kinda funny how DPE is also a good counter to its own deck and seeing you lose to your own boss monster is just kinda sucks Also BAN BARONNE I'M TIRED OF SEEING THIS CRAP IN EVERY SINGLE DECK, SYNCHRO OR NOT. PEOPLE ALWAYS FIND A WAY TO MAKE IT JUST BAN IT AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Back and forth absolutely has been (mostly) power crept out of the game. That's why past formats are so popular because they let people have interactive matches more consistently than current Snake-Eye format.

Having played since there releases ip and appo need to go. If a card isn't power crept after half a decade then there is a reason why.

I am not a yugiboomer, I HAD yugioh cards as a kid and playground rules played it with friends but that’s it. I got back into the game over last year and have 400+hrs on MD. I’m not blinded by nostalgia or any past formats, this game just sucks to play a lot of the time so I agree with what you’re saying. It was a bit of a wake up call for me to invest less time in this game when I saw how opposed a good chunk of the community is to changes like this so now I’ve been playing MTG and it’s honestly just kinda better. Again, I say this as a still yugioh fan that loves the game, but this game is broken right now lol

THANK YOU FOR SAYING HOW WELL DESIGNED ZEUS IS

I think adding secondary ban list like they have in duel links would help a lot. Sure, you can have any of these awesome Omni-negates: but, you can have only one or two of them. (I would combine both TCG/OCG style ban list with the Duel Links style ban list; not replace one with the other.)

Baronne is probably one of the best, and possibly strangest example of this problem. It was released alongside Crystal Clear Wing Synchro Dragon, the supposed boss monster of Speedroids. They're both Level 10 WIND Synchro monsters, but Baronne is generic and Crystal Clear Wing is an Accel Synchro monster, and yet Baronne's effect is so much better. Speedroids lock you into WIND monsters, which Baronne is, so there is pretty much no reason to ever go into Crystal Clear.

What we need is to add an extra format without any competitive-related cards where we can go and actually play the game (for casual and new players or anyone who just want to enjoy what yugioh has to offer) and the other format would be our current chaotic yugioh where we can start every turn with forbidden droplet and win or lose trying. The key point is to make the separation between cards that are made for just winning (ignoring if the opponent will have any chance to fight back or not) and cards that are made for having fun and having a good time, where the win happens with style and grace and a certain level of respect, also allowing both players to show their best and focusing on strategies and the combat between monsters, that's what yugioh is supposed to be about. The competitive mechanics like negations have to be designed correctly in order to be implemented into the game and they have failed at doing that so might as well just throw them into a different format where we'll have to deal with them just if we feel like doing it or just go to the other format where they do not exist so the game actually happens and each duel doesn't feel like wasting time.

This is not coming from a yugioh "boomer" mentality. but this is how I view the creep of yugioh: Synchros were the Harbinger of the end. XYZs were the beginning of the end Pendulums is where Yugioh died Links were beating a dead horse. Hand traps were the icing on the festering carcass. This is because Synchros are where the game spiked in power creep due to their inherent speed compared to the game up until that point. XYZs it got even faster. Thats where the true fundamentals started to break down in order to keep up, hand traps replaced traps, turn counts continued to plummet, extra zones, Pendulums convoluted mechanics. Until Yugioh today, competetive 1 turn Solitaire where every card had A thesis paper on it just in hopes of it competing. If I had to point out a specific moment where Yugioh as a game died for me, it was the replacement of "graveyard" with "GY" you could no longer fit the name of one of the core foundational zones in the game on a card anymore. We lost the game of play and counter play, adapting to each opponent in a game that evolved turn by turn. it devolved into reading the instructions to a new archetype and if you couldnt follow the instructions, then you scoop.

It's extremely annoying when I build a deck for some niche archetype, and I decide to check out some decklists for tips, the extra deck is 2% that archetype, 98% generic spam. There's so many interesting decks out there, it sucks to see them get ruined like this. And, like, Baronne has her own deck, but nobody pays any attention to it since she can be used in every other deck.

I don't really see the problem with generic extra deck monsters, that's how edison format was. It's the having generic extra deck monsters that lock you out of playing, and they need to chill on making those kinds of cards. One thing when it's like red rose dragon or evilswarm exciton knight for a board wipe scenario. A whole nother story when they have multiple omni negates along with flood gates.

About time cards the likes of Apollusa and Barrone De Fleur get shit on. I am a passionate ash blossom hater but these "generic boss monster" cards getting hate is good enough for me.

I really do believe modern yugioh should adopt Duel Links banlist where you can only run 1 limited card and 2 semi'd cards. But only for the extra deck. Snake Eyes too strong? Semi limit IP + SP + Promethean princess + Amblowhale. Changes how the deck functions and builds with 0 bans. Accesscode + Update Jammer become a problem? Limit them. Limit To 3 Baronne, Appolusa, borreload savage, Bagooska, and every other generic negate to stop decks from vomiting them all out.

It's always been my opinion that the game didn't need new extra deck monsters after XYZ. Link especially feels like it cheapens the challenge that used to come with making extra deck cards (Synchros being tuner dependent, XYZ being same level dependent, Fusion being card effect dependent, for the most part) Pendulum is obviously a whole other can of worms but Link really made the game too fast. (Btw don't call me a yugiboomer for this lol I love modern yugioh I play it like 10 hours a week)

its really sad how Konami keeps releasing new archetypes that look fun, or support to old archetypes, but are buried under the weight of the meta and power creep i have seen people often deflect the criticism of modern YGO with "just play GOAT or Edison", but....what if i want to play an old archetype that isn't available on those formats? what if i want to play Ghostrick? what if i want to play Battlin' Boxer? or even a newer archetype that just can't compete with current YGO, what if i want to play Flame Swordsman or Nouvelles? where do i play these archetypes on so i don't get completely overrun?

It's hard to pin down exactly when things started to go wrong. I think it started with the +1 disruptions. That is, a negation or a removal effect that comes at little to no cost to the user. Previously, disruption came at some kind of costs, whether it be a discard, a lifepoint cost, or the card itself being lost, but with +1 disruptions there's no disadvantage to just spamming out as many as possible, and negating literally everything. This really started getting bad in the pendulum era. I don't much like link monsters. Links were created effectively to nerf the pendulum mechanic, which itself was overpowered and created a mechanical floodgate issue. The big problem I have with links design is how most of them lack any real identity. With synchros you needed level combinations, with XYZ you had an axis that you needed to build around, and fusions had to be fused by specific materials. Links just required bodies... any bodies. They got scapegoat and gofu banned, because suddenly all those largely useless tokens became overpowered from a card advantage perspective. All decks started to lose their identity, because their game plan all reduced down to the exact same tactic: spam bodies onto the field, no matter what they were. This is compounded by the fact that Konami also changed their card design philosophy, where instead of making archtype specific restrictive monsters powerful, they made the generic monsters the most powerful. This made it so every pack had a $50 UR that every deck needed, and a bunch of more balanced cards nobody would play due to that aforementioned UR being the better than all of them. The +1 disruption problem further reduced card identity. To give an example, I'm going to compare Emergency Teleport with Raigeki. You'd think those cards aren't that similar, but when staring down negation they really are. If Titanic Galaxy is on the field, they're effectively reduced down to the same thing, which is an opportunity consumption. Raigeki destroys all of the opponents monsters, but Emergency Teleport goes into a Punk combo that will also get rid of all of the opponents monsters. Because of the threat each presents, Titanic Galaxy must negate them when activated. So, the two different effects have been reduced completely in identity to "force out one disruption". Combine this all together, and our decks have no real identity anymore. Deckbuilding consists of putting in as many starters as possible, as many hand traps as possible to stop their starters... for every deck. Victory is decided largely by whether I've opened enough starters to muscle through their hand traps, and vice versa... no matter what those starters are. Limiting access doesn't make the game fun or fair, it just makes the game sacky.

Id like to see a highlander format were you could only have one of each card in your decl

I was agreeing in theory with a lot of what you were saying at first, BUT: How is saying "if your deck is nothing without Apo, you shouldn't have it" any different from saying "you can only play the select archetypes with lots of support and in archetype negates"? How is that any better for creativity? I made another comment saying something similar in more words, before I got to this line in the video.

The idea that the game will be saved by banning all of the generic boss monsters is a non-starter because we've already seen where this goes. MR4 removed the ability for older decks to access their old generic tools unless Konami deigned to uplift them. Which they did only for decks they wanted to shill leading to two solid tier zero formats where nothing else could compete because their options were limited while the tier zeros were purpose built to steamroll the meta without losing a step. Engines need to be curbed tremendously and redundant staples need to be culled. Generic bosses need to be banned only when they're the obvious problem instead of the decks abusing them. Apollousa has been a terrible Pendulum support card for most of the gap between BODE and PHNI. When it saw play it was due to decks like SHS and now Snake-Eyes being able to spam boards so efficiently they can afford to slap an Apo onto the end board just because.

Generic extra deck boss monsters kill creativity, yes. Main deck engines though are also a major problem: it's the top main deck engines that get to those bosses, and unless you're also running a deck fast and strong enough to both play around them *and* OTK, your opponent is always just one card away from just building up *the same board*. And since only certain decks can play that fast, that's another limiter on creativity.

This aged well

I hate generic boss monsters that negate stuff geee. This is the worst design for this game

You got me with the Hollow Knight Theme, City of Tears.

I feel like the hand traps and generic "negation" effect boss monster cards that get splashed in meta decks is what makes this game so frustrating. If they banned the popular hand traps and generic "negation" boss monsters, they could have a fresh start to a balanced Yugioh while creating good in archetype cards for the future of the game.

Personally I like the new approach to archetypes, supporting attributes and/or types instead of being locked in names. Like the Fiendsmith, supporting Light/Fiends.

For me, when it comes to generic boss monsters, I only use them if the monster fits with the deck's identity and spirit. Here are some examples below: Blue-Eyes: - Number 38 (LIGHT Dragon) - Zeus (Kaiba used LIGHT Machines, and it's board wipe effect can be seen as a callback to CED). - Any Galaxy-Eyes card (Galaxy-Eyes can be seen as a spiritual successor to Blue-Eyes). - Soldier of Chaos (Kaiba teamed up with Yugi before). - Linkuriboh (I just thought it'd be funny because Kaiba made Duel Links, so I figured he might have his own Linkuriboh. Also needed to help get eggs in the GY or provide protection). Speedroid: - Baronne De Fleur (WIND Synchro Monster). - Wind Pegasus @Ignister (Level 7 WIND target for Clear Wing Rider) Rokkets: - Starving Venom (DARK Dragon; also good Super Poly target). - Borreload Savage Dragon (Revolver used this, AND Savage Dragon feels right at home alonside his Borrel pals! I feel sad for him because he's always homesick whenever he's used outside Rokkets).

Bruh the game has been ruined for a long time What time you pick changes from person to person but I think the game was broken from the moment it was designed without a resource system Decks should not be able to vomit out 20+ cards on the first turn, but without any sort of limiting factor it was an inevitability Yugioh can’t be saved, just enjoy it for the stupid mess it is

I won’t surrender if my opponent has a field of 3 boss monsters and i have nothing on my field, unless they have barrone de fleur on their field.

It would be a start, but they still need to try something to slow power creep. I'm probably wrong, but it feels like I hear about a tier 0 deck every year now.

I agree 100%, man. I'm playing Mannadium/Scareclaw right now since mannadium is FINALLY at full power. Though Barrone is in my extra deck, i actually try other niche options before resorting to using it. I actually beat Snake-eye without using Barrone. Instead, i used the level 10 Icejade and Adamancipator Dragite.

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What if konami implemented the Legendary system from rush duels into the tcg/ocg banlist for generic boss monsters. For example, let's say both Apo and Access Code get put into the legendary category, that would mean you can either run 1 access code or 1 Apollousa in your deck, but not both nor you would be able to mix it with other generic boss monsters like savage dragon (if it was put in the legendary list). In short it would be like an additional category to the current banlist system: Something like: Banned > Legendary > Limited 1 > Limited 2. Duel Links also has a system similar to this in its banlist and also due to skill restrictions which makes it so decks feel unique (for the most part) and have to rely on their own boss monsters rather than generic ones.

See, I think a way to solve this would be to just start xeno-locking decks again. Why in the hell does Snake-Eyes not have a single type/attribute lock anywhere? Even Drytrons has a lock, and a damn well designed one too!

Thank you someone fells the same pain I do. I hate that these cards don't even let me have one bloody turn.

I think the real problem isn't that there are good generic boss monsters, but rather that they've become too accessible to too many archetypes. Superheavy was really the death bell of "this is far, far too much material, allowing for generics plus in-engine plus negation resistance", but then Snake Eyes happened. I have lost a game to Snake Eyes to someone who had bricked for three turns, had no board presence, no cards in hand, and a mediocre graveyard, and drew Snake-Eyes Ash after I burnt my resources getting him to that point. Seven minutes later, the game was over. Off one fucking card. Apo is a fine ban target, but it won't do anything to fix the game until half the Snake-Eyes cards are completely forbidden. I'd love to see Ash stay forbidden as long as Yatagarasu at this point.

Omni negates and apollousa are super toxic. Its like a mini-floodgate that you have to go through before you play the game.

I’m glad you had the point about Swordsoul. I enjoyed the deck a lot because most of it was in archetype engine, Tenyi (which might as well be in archetype) and using a few generics just to supplement and play through a few disruptions. That is the ideal for me. Archetypes that function on their own.

Honestly, my main issue with baronne is the fact that there were no other good level 10 synchros before it. They either had CRAZY restrictions or did close to nothing.

There’s gotta be a combo that can destroy all these cards that nobody uses that’s the true king of games coming up with something original 🤣

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"What is the point of building new archetypes, when the best way to play them is to vomit out the same 4-5 boss monsters and call it a day?" We gon' pretend as if we haven't been doing that since this game's inception? 💀

Good job making this documentary, brother. Boss monsters that have an amazing effect should be justified by the cost of summoning them.

Best way to balance the game is that extra deck monsters need ONE of the material to be the same Attribute *or* Type as the extra deck monster. That way you'll need to either play WIND or WARRIOR monsters to make a Baronne.

Seriously, best yugioh binge channel out there now. Being straightforward and honest about the state of Yugioh actually makes me feel better about the cards I already own.

OMG Your video hits home for me....I am a yugioh boomer and decided to come back after taking a long break from link evolution (stopped TCG when I was 18 due to it being too pricey). I was in the DC event in Master Duel and hit level 19...the amount of broken endboards that i'd see is beyond ridiculous. It's so bad now that if I don't have at least 2 hand traps in my going second duels, I scoop immediately. There is literally no reason to sit there and let them flood the field when a surrender saves both your time and mine.

And im here playing obelisk deck and sacred beasts while everyone spamming fallen of albaz and shit like that . 5 games in a row they had the same deck damn..

the real problem is the community.

"Yugioh is no stranger to powerful generic cards influencing the game" Wasn't BLS a threat for like even into like xyz era while it was at 1?

4:59 that snake eyes board is from a snake eyes guide on my channel 😭

Konami probably watched this

once they start replacing these boss monster with actually well designed in-archetype boss monsters, then they can start churning the staple end board extradeck monsters out. But they don't, at least not consistantly, Generic cards a perfect for yugioh because it allows stratagies to do something with themselves without the need for these possibly very restrictive in archetype bossmonsters, I would like more decks that end on boards like dragon link again, having the option to go into these generic cards, but still able to fully utalize their own monsters like heavenly spheres and borreload savage ect. The fact is that these cards themselves are also generic (for the most part) but significantly work better in their own achetype. All im saying is, leave both but encentavise in archetype bossmonsters to try and clean out the need for these generically strong cards.

The game has come to a point in which there's a very streamlined win condition for any deck of whatever format which is, "survive turn 2 and win on turn 3" This means that you have to have interruptions on your first board and the more the better, every deck can set up 8k damage on a single line of play if they go uninterrupted so it doesn't really matter what your deck can do. Banning generic extra deck staples only hurts rogue decks, the days of setting 1 and pass are long gone. The only difference between the game now and back then is that your interruptions back then were traps that you couldn't search and you had to wait a few turns to assemble lethal damage because of a lack of synergy between cards, meaning you had to draw everything instead of building a board. The main issue is not the generic extra deck but the fact that every deck can win on their first battle phase.

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Very well made points! I got back into the game a bit over a year ago with MD and I've been exclusively been playing Insect decks, because they're my favorite animals. Recently however, I'm thinking about quitting the game, because... well, duels just feel unfair 90% of the time. You almost exclusively face Snake-Eyes or Branded and on the occasion where I do break through their defenses... they just get everything back, immediately. They get rewarded for my efforts of breaking their formation. A gift-basket because I killed their creatures. No matter how well I play, it simply doesn't matter, they'll just play a single card on the next turn, do their entire combo all over again and end me. It's no fun. Insects, I feel, are extremely well designed cards. They have a lot of strong monsters that don't rely on simply preventing your opponent from playing. They are excellent at swarming and filling the board, much like you'd imagine from the animals they're based on. Their smaller monsters arn't just combo pieces, they can offer solid interruption, at a reasonable cost (Sting & Scale Bomber for instance). On top of that, you don't really have one-card-combos, reaching your boss monsters is a collaborative effort of several of your cards, which feels really nice. And best of all, they commonly lock you into the type. You need to rely on their own extra deck monsters, instead of just getting the beloathed creatures you speak of in this video. But I can't help but observe that what they do get is mere scraps compared to how each popular storyline archetype gets busted card after overpowered card. Part of me doesn't even WANT more support, in fear it'd just be absurd overpowered stuff that isn't fun at all. I suppose what I'd want is the obscene powercreep to somehow be dialed back, rather than that my own preferred cards also become that. A thought I had on how to balance the generic boss monsters would be to maybe implement something like Rush Duel's "Legend" cards. Designate every overpowered extra deck monster something you may only have ONE of. You get Accesscode OR Borreload Savage OR Baronne OR Apollousa. Never all of them.

Ngl I genuinely thought you'd actually be against Barrone but when you mentioned the role it plays in swordsoul as an example i was soo damn relieved lmao. Also yes Appolousa should 100% be banned I'd never defend a generic card that can negate more than once. Like you said in the video I don't mind generic cards imo they help some decks with extremely bad boss monsters (Manaddium) to gain some form of meta relevancy or to stand a chance against the meta but Appolousa is too much of a reward for what is essentially a deck that can have a lot of resources to spare. Going back to Manaddium I may be a bit biased but I think it's fine with how it goes through the motions of like you said going through different planets and while it does end on generic cards once again it's not like it really has much of a choice with Primeheart being an OTK card only. If they made it so that you could access the other boss monsters it'd definitely be more annoying though. Imagine Ariseheart with Tri heart, Rulkalos and an Amritara with a Reframing set 💀 Tbh i thought I'd be disagreeing with more. Either way good video again dude can't wait for 3k

I gotta disagree about Zeus. It would probably be better if it wasn't a quick effect or had stricter requirements, but as is, it's basically a generic omni negate in all but name for *any* deck that can churn out two monsters of the same level in main phase one.

Well, we got two of the culprits down. After the Rarity Collection II, maybe they'll bring Apollousa out to the pasture as well

To be fair, if they removed op generic extra deck monsters, they should get MORE support for other cards. And there are so many archetypes that need support that this seems impossible.

I guess no one here has ever heard of Kaiju ..

I remember before Master Duel came out, I would call yugioh, despite it being one of my favourite pieces of media, a, "negate fest" in higher level play. Even today, I see stuff like Snake Eyes, Fire King Snake Eyes, generic OTK, and other similar decks negate fests. While it is still fun playing MD in the silver and low gold tiers, I wish I could go back to my childhood days where my friends and I would play on a ygo sim like pro or nexus and make these 50-60 card decks made of cards and archetypes we loved-using cards nobody even remembers like Great Maju Garzett where we played for an hour on one single game, going back and forth between who had the upper hand like it was the anime without the need of hand traps and the generic staple boss like Baronne. It really was the best time I've ever had playing yugioh, I'd love to have that back

Thank you! I got back into yugioh a few years ago after leaving when 5Ds started. I've been checking out different archetypes lately and realized they had themes to them, like Spyral being a Spy ring to take down the opponent's deck. Sky Striker is like watching an anime character use their special armor to transform into different modes to meet their attack and defense needs. It's amazing what the card creators come up with, but then the meta ruins the beauty of the deck's play

There are some splash monsters that I'd love to see nerfed in a creative way. You don't ban them nor make them unplayable, you just restrict them to their archetype of origin. Unban verte, but it needs predaps to be summoned and, if you summon a non-predap monster, negate it's effects. What if Halquifibrax could only summon Crystron tuners? Or if Baronne needed Fleur Synchron? Or Borreload needed Rokkets?

To be honest, most generic bossmonsters aren't that popular in healthy meta decks. Like, snake-eyes ends on a forgotten link monster and 1 I:P (they sometimes use that IP to make apo, but that's rare, as the card is just horrible if the opponent has TTT). Stuff like Baronne and Apo allows many rogue decks to have something to actually do. When these generic stuff get too good (like with verte and dagda in the past), they should get banned, but most are kinda fine. The only one i think would need a ban right now is, like, I:P, because it only allows more stupid stuff as better link monsters get released, and is only ever useful going 1st, and unlike Apo, it doesn't really help that much at making the battle phase feel important

Synchro era was the perfect balance of speed and back and forth. That was Yugiohs best era

I love seeing people build a Superheavy Samurai Deck and never end on a Superheavy Samurai

You also need to consider that changing the whole scheme means that the newest archetype will get the strongest effects and other archetypes are going to have to wait for their wave of support, creating another problem of powercreep, the exact problem we have seen in Cardfight Vanguard

These cards need better balancing

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I honestly would like to see more decks veer away from extra deck dependencies. I loved playing monarchs and nekroz because the primary focus was on your main summoning mechanic. Was nekroz able to go into their extra deck? Sure. But it wasn't a necessity. While I havent touched yugioh in a couple of years, i would like to see some kind of 'soft' power level reset.

Send me back to the Synchro days. The game was healthier back then.

I've been saying this for almost a decade. Generic bosses put YGO near death's door and hand traps finished it off.

*So, Boss Monsters with negates are fine as long as they are tied to an archetype, such as the new drytron ritual monster.*

Can we go back to the days where the diceroll deciding who goes first doesn't already decide the duel

Baronne is in duel links, the end times are here

The biggest issue is that Konami has thrown out the concept of trade-off they established (at least in theory) at the beginning of the game: Normal Monsters are strong, Effect Monsters are weak, Spell Cards situational and Trap Cards slow. And boss monsters are hard to summon. Cards need trade-offs. If it is easy to get on board, it cannot also have good effects and high ATK/DEF. One of these has to give. If Baronne had 2000ATK 1500DEF, people could just out the card in battle. Which makes it really easy to bait that negate for fear of getting destroyed before using it.

Baronne, Underworld Goddess, Ty-Phon, and Zeus are part of the exception of generic bosses and should be the standard since they're limited by either what makes them i.e. Ty-Phon needing the opponent to summon from the Extra Deck 2+ times in the last and/or current turn, Zeus needing an XYZ monster on your field to have battled within the turn and Underworld still requiring 3 monsters of your's minimum to make, or what their effects do i.e. Baronne is a once while face up Omni Negate that has an effect that actually encourages players to get back into their main combo by spinning itself back. Dis Pater, while considered generic by some, is actually a lot more dragon centric needing Dragon non Tuner(s) for its summon. I think Promethean Princess is actually an alright example of the generic boss monster because even though it can be made with any 2-3 monsters, it locks you into Fire while face up and needing Fire monsters for its other effects where, if the best decks weren't Fire, it's a really good equalizer for Fire based strategies that takes some thought into how to play it rather than dumping all of your deck into an Apollousa or Borreload Savage plus friends.

3:19 I hate the “the mirror takes skill” argument cause that still sucks. “Oh yeah playing against Vergil is fun if you also pick Vergil” is the first thing that pops up in my head when someone says that. Also powerful Omni negates shouldn’t be that generic. Barronne de Fleur should either be specific to its archetype or require more specific materials like a Warrior or spell caster material.

"You're gonna watch while I spend 40 minutes emptying my deck and resetting with numerous special summons and an unbreakable board with multiple negates" *other player pitches a cockroach* "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...that's broken! Unfair!" *board is Barrone, Appo, Borreload Savage etc.* *complains about how broken that cockroach is while his deck is packed fill with other broken cards* *guy with cockroach card also complain how the cockroach ain't broken, other cards are....his deck is the same as the first player*

Big boss monsters should need at least one material of their own archetype to be made. Apollousa at least one high level fairy monster, Borrel-Savage at least one Rokket monster, Baronne at least one Fleur monster, Accesscode at least one Code Talker etc.

The main issue is that a lot of these decks that use generic bosses don’t have good enough in archetype payoffs to justify playing any other way. Banning even half of the generic options will just make lower tier decks much worse and not worth playing. The solution is for Konami to continue making better support for archetypes or to release cards that are type and/or archetype specific/locked. They have been getting better at this as far as I can tell with the new Yubel, Raidraptor, Melodious, etc.

Here is my take on it: There are only so many times you can print a boss monster with the word "negate" on it, while making interesting, and Konami has done a good job at avoiding that for Archetypal boss monsters. Remember the whole "Field Spell Searcher" we had a few years ago? Appolousa is still a crime tho.

I really appreciate the differentiation of Accesscode and Underworld Goddess. Not every generic boss is bad, but there’s a difference between good and bad generics.