Sith: "We may be dark lords, bent on ruling the galaxy, but even we wouldn't stoop so low as to conscript children to fight our wars" (glares at Jedi)

Here is my take: Sith don't train infants because infants have not yet had any traumatic experiences and ambition for revenge that they could channel into power. The kids would grow up evil, sure, but wouldn't be as powerful because of the lack of said experiences. If anything their anger would be towards their sith master and the sith master wouldn't want the hate to be towards them but instead towards a common enemy. If a sith master approach a teen filled with anger and vengeance, he could exploit the apprentice and appear as a savior and solution in their eyes. Then the hate would not be towards the master but the Jedi. Basically what Palpatine did to Anakin.

The Sith do not merely want their apprentices to have suffered the traumas of life. The Sith want apprentices that have or will overcome the traumas of life, a mark of power.

Another example is Starkiller. Vader was awful to him but Marek knew nothing else, seemingly too young to formulate memories of his parents. He didn’t buck until he met Kota and developed feelings for Juno. It’s better to get them older. They hate the world, but now you give them the tools to do something about it. That’s probably what made Luke’s new Jedi so powerful

The Sith want developed emotions, Jedi want no emotions. So, from a certain point of view, it all makes sense. \m/

They deemed anakin a nine year old child too dangerous to train in the force Me: well they weren't wrong

Galen Marek is a perfect example of what happens when you raise someone in darkness....the first time they get a taste of the light, they're hooked. When someone's only ever known pain, fear, hate and abuse it can be hard to get through all that...but once you do they become a completely new person. Still damaged of course, but nothing like they used to be. It doesn't usually work the other way. People raised to be good and decent don't suddenly get a taste of inflicting pain and fear and become addicted immediately. Not unless they were intrinsically broken from the start, and one of the main reasons Jedi train young is specifically to account for that.

Yeah it's weird how the Jedi chose indoctrination as apposed to allowing the nature of the individual to make itself known , no wonder so many fell to the dark side

Ironically, the traits that make children a terrible choice to raise into Sith Lords makes them the ideal choice to become Sith assassins and agents since their loyalty would be unquestionable. Starkiller was fanatically loyal to Vader up until the moment Vader betrayed him.

Bane taught Zannah patience and I would say she was almost if not more patient then Bane, she knew she would have to kill him eventually and for the most of the time he had the Orbalisks , she knew killing him would prove to be more difficult then she thought, she knew she had to play the long game and she did, only when Bane starting looking for another apprentice she had to speed up her process. I do think she had a small attachment to Bane but I dint believe it was enough to keep her from surpassing him

Zannah was planning to kill bane by the time he started looking for another apprentice, she was being cautious

Uh, you're incorrect on Zannah having no intention to kill Darth Bane until he began looking for another apprentice. I own the Darth Bane trilogy so I would know. Zannah was reluctant of being drawn into a trap when she noticed Bane's hand trembling. But she had already made plans when she was leaving to go to the mining world to investigate the cause of a Jedi's death that that mission would be the last one she ever took for her master. She even came close to killing him BEFORE he took Cognus as an apprentice. It was even said in the Rule of Two that she did NOT view him as a father figure despite the fact he raised her.

Jedi Order: "Why are so many of our order falling to the Darkside? Fallen Jedi: "You betrayed my trust and failed to protect people, including but not limited to people i cared about. You didnt even try to save them because you saw them as "not of the bigger picture". Jedi Order: "No that can't be it. You just had too many attachments when you came to us. Lets start training them younger so they can't remember their families or where they came from. Fallen Jedi:"......" * *Force Lightning* *

Such a fascinating (and logical) explanation for the counterintuitive idea that the good guys only recruit very young and the villains don’t

Funny how Lucas basically made the Jedi an amalgamation of every negative aspect of fringe cults in an attempt to make us see them as the ultimate good.

Sith just don't want to deal with child support, or PTA meetings. That latter half I can agree with. Though now the mental image of a Sith and a child sitting with a teacher is hilarious. Sith: "So what did she do now?" Teacher: "Well her reading skills are good, she's doing great in gym, but she did force choke a kid in lunch today." Kid: "He stole my chicken nuggies." Sith: "That's great progress kiddo!" Teacher: "NO, no look we talked about this right? Please don't encourage this."

You are wrong about Zannah. She refused to challenge Bane because she believed he was trying to trick her into facing him too early (his hand tremors being seen as a fake tell).

Yes taking darth maul in a such Yong age was a mistake since maul saw sidius kinda like father and admired him even though sidius didn't technically raise him

I'm surprised we didn't talk about galen marrak. Granted, he's Legends continuity, but you've never strayed from bringing Legends up like that before. The entire time I watched this video, I was thinking of Galen. Maybe do a part 2 to supplement this subject with Galen in mind?

I think the fact that Jedi kept falling anyway proves that the Jedi were, once again, wrong. They should have taught their padawans to manage their emotions and attachments, not tried to make sure they had as little as possible. They made it far too easy for them to fall. I think you're spot on for both Jedi and Sith.

The one thing that’s always bothered me about the rule of 2 is that the master raises an apprentice they know will kill them. Seems counter to sith mentioned to raise their own downfall since sith are all about their own power & ambition

Your forgetting that Darth Bane began training his apprentice Darth Zanna when she was only about 8 years old, with her first lesson being to find her way to the planet he was going to by any means necessary.

If they raised and traumatized children from young, they could start to feel hatred for not only their master, which itself isn't so big problem, but even against system that created them, Siths. Dark side should be solution for them, way to become stronger, immortal and reality changing, not problem that is needed to be changed! Most importantly, dark side must be chosen!

Unrelated to the video but I was just thinking when he started talking about the sith of old. We’ve talked a lot about Revan but there is still one individual who I think could use some recognition and is an actually pretty important character and wonder how they stack up to Revan. I’m referring to The Exile from Kotor 2

Zannah wasn’t complacent she was looking for her moment.

The Sith limit the training of there apprentice to keep them weaker then the master. If the apprentice is raised from birth then that force user will have more time to learn all the masters ways to overthrow him. A teenager and even adults think they know everything and by doing so they don't accept anything new. There growth becomes limited. Plus I agree that the trauma needed in order to fuel there hatred in order to turn to the darkside needs a primary source other than the master itself to keep the apprentice in line. Plus there's the problem what would occur if the the apprentice had no knowledge of ever not being sith and that would be the watering down of the force users abilities of the darkside. If being Sith is the only thing known in a apprentices life then the natural form of rebelian would to explore other aspects of using the force which would lead to straying from from the darkside.

To be a sith is a choice. Children can't make that choice with only a handful of exceptions. One must feel the pain/ rage of loss, betrayal and fear. And desire the power to not just overcome it, but conquar it. To drown In the darkness so deeply, it bleeds your very being dark. And only those growing into themselves or those looking to be more than themselves can make the choice.

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Great video!

Fascinating stuff!

This is great explanation. Makes perfect sense. Children had no trauma,experiences. They didn't experience life,gain experiences,good or bad. This is good. Video, I mean. May the Force be with you too. Have a great day too :)

The way I see it the Sith are looking for those who are leaning to the dark side on their own, even better if they are jedi since they come with useful set of skills!

When the very angry faction has more honor than the supposed friendly side.

I mean... didn't Bane train Zannah in the darkside as a child?

The Sith value Freedom and there for the choice to become Sith is more important to them then just those who would be raised to become Sith. The new reasons that are given are just ways to make the Sith evil and not another path that has any valid points.

Part of it could be that if you wait until the children are older, and able to understand, very few would choose the jedi path.

The Jedi select you... you wander upon the sith and become captivated with it.

Idk tho i think the problem may be more with war. Bc i think that only the ones most rooted in the light and strongest resistance to the dark could be in war very long and even then extended time in war could still lead them to the dark as many fell thru being bathed in the darkness of war. Bc its the hardest thing to win and stay winning if you never finish off your opponents.

In legends the ancient Sith empires had access to humdreds of thousands of children. These children grew up in a dark warrior society, one where cunning not just brutal fighting was rewarded. After the first Empires defeat by the Jedi and Early Republic, much of their civilization had fallen and these young children became unavailable to the future sith empires often forged from Jedi Turned either by Sith Spirits or the Dark knowledge of Sith holocrons. They would go on to turn and train anyone with force connections in brutal sometimes even fatal ways. But by the end of the old republic era and the battle of Ruusan, and the survival of Darth bame and the Rule of 2, It became more pragmatic to often find and recruit older beings with combat skills already developed, or access to resources that could be passed down through successive generations of Sith lords simce having lost access to entire planets and the resources that interplanetary empires could amass. Thus the Sith in hiding looked to older individuals who were force sensitive, Warriors, Nobles, Even Criminals with dark behind the scenes power became good targets for unwitting allies or even potential apprentices. Such individuals often had rivals they wished to eliminate. A bargain struck between a newly singular sith lord and say a small time force sensitive assassin within a criminal organization could produce a fairly steady income, as well as a skilled and deadly apprentice. After darth bame having underworld contacts in criminal empires would be the easiest way to generate both income while remaining hidden from the jedi, as most systems did not employ jedi for standard criminal investigations. Even the Bounty Hunters guild, while technically a "legal" guild could provide enough cover and high value targets for such a sith willing to use their bounty hunting cover to also make assassinations for criminals or less than honorable nobles would generate a large income. The credits or even material goods could then be converted to say unique ships and droid trainers or trackers (as seen being used by maul in episode 1), or used to say fund a political campaign (for darth sidious in his senator disguise). So seeking older apprentices serves 2 purposes. 1 the apprentice has enough life experience to develop their own hatred for things, and potentially giving them either (2) resources to call on or potentially pass down to their apprentice, or combat skills that while maybe not on par with their new master are not something to scoff about (especially if recruiting from Assassins or bounty hunters), they may also have access to their own contacts or gear meaning less resources spent to train and equip their apprentice. To me these are all benefits to taking on older recruits. Less time training in combat means the master can focus on force usage. If the recruit already has access to their own weapons, ships, or other tech or can acquire them easily, thats less drain on the masters financial resources as well. And if the recruit has contacts in criminal and/or legitimate circles that they or the master can exploit thats just another bonus. Children may be moldable into anything but adults have access to much more.

It's actually very funny. Well, that is, everyone knows about the Sith rule of two and laughs at it. However, I would like to say that one of the many reasons why the Sith are constantly surviving and the dark side is always strong is the Jedi's approach to selecting apprentices. Well, that is, if you take a small child and initially teach him the ways of the dark / light side, then the problem will be that the child lives from birth in certain conditions and perceives them as stably neutral. That is, the Jedi from birth teach children the virtues of the light side and this does not allow them to fully come closer to understanding the light side, but when they fall out of these conditions, when the Jedi begins to work and complete missions, he experiences a storm of emotions, good and bad, and leads to an easier transition to the other side or leads to a manic desire to suppress emotions (which was seen every time the Jedi told Anakin to suppress emotions, they could not teach him to control them, since they themselves did not know how). Moreover, people who were sensitive to the force but not of the right age were more emotionally stable, and training among the Jedi would have benefited everyone. If an adult learns that he can control the minds of others, this may lead to bad consequences, but will not, since this Jedi ability is associated with the light side of the force, which means that this ability will be difficult to use for the sake of evil, the same applies to other abilities of the force . But if you refuse to train a person, then this will not make him forget about his abilities, he will simply go looking for other teachers and use his emotions as a catalyst. After a while, a bunch of force users should have appeared who would not tie themselves to the dark or light side of the force, or, as was shown in the Star Wars themselves, numerous factions and sects would have appeared in which different sides of the force were extolled. Accordingly, the relevance of the Jedi would simply begin to decline, since you could hire a private teacher or send the child to an organization that does not require the child to give up his former life.

Darth Bane train Zana before she reached puberty. But then again, she had already unleashed her powers out of pain and wrath at 2 Jedi, breaking their neck for mistaking her bouncer friends as a threat. So I guess Sith just know what mr Meseeks does, existence is pain. You just need to let it accumulate so that an apprentice will use it and/or crave power.

I had no idea Tenebrous pulled a Marty McFly, that's crazy.

even the Sith understand "leave the kids alone"

6:10 - where can i get that printed into a picture.

anyone knows the name of the music at the beginning of the video?

Maul was really young when Palpatine started training him though.

Sideous literally trained Maul from a young age lol. I understand that it isn't ideal and that he was undercover and all that jazz. But it is still funny to think about lol

about even darth bane, sure his formal training began when he was 25 but he grew up in a dark side environment as part of a sith empire even being a foot solider in it for a time. same with like savage opresss Also darth zannah was still a child. but still overall agree with it and their reasons for taking them at the ages they do.

I wonder. What would've happened has a Jedi found Darth Zana as a child right at the time those Republic troopers shot that forest creature.

What is the background music?

I am only 3.26 minutes into this video so I don't know if you'll mentioned this, after what you've already said I doubt you will do that. There is another reason for why the Jedi "abducted" Force sensitive children with the blessing of the children's parents and family, protection. Remember the list in the Clone Wars series that Palpatine got his hands on, a list that had the names of many known Force sensitive children? I am pretty sure, I don't know this for a fact, that the families of Force sensitive children sought out the Jedi order to help with these children, there are so many reason for that other than just protection. Leia and Han had extreme difficulties with Ben as soon as he was born, he was dangerous because he held great power, a power he could not control because he was a baby. When these children get angry they can cause harm to others without intenting to do so. Raising children who hold no magical power is difficult enough. Imagien having a two year old toddler in a fit of anger, how would you control such a child, you couldn't unless you were Force sensitive yourself.

It's not attachments that the Jedi should teach against, it's the selfishness of attachment. Look at Anakin, he didn't give two shits what Padme would want only his own need to keep her alive, coming from not his love but his fear of being alone and HIS need to not feel the loss of a loved one. His fear, his pain, hell he lied to her about his feelings of wanting a "wise ruler" to make all the laws and decisions

I actually think that the Sith were right. Taking a baby in would be harder for them in the dark side, and if they took a teen then they would have emotions that they can learn to hate.

Because of the Rule of 2, Sith can be extremely choosy. Why take in an infant and spend 15+ years raising them, unsure of their actual potential or temperament, when you can just select someone who is physically and mentally mature and their potential is actually manifest? And given that the Jedi reject anyone over a certain age, there's always a large number of potential apprentices out there - presumably the Sith use the Force to find the best candidates. Heck, the Sith have the simple luxury of just corrupting Jedi, or recruiting fallen Jedi. Someone who is disciplined and Force trained, who needs only learn of the power of the Dark Side.

Separately on the Jedi, their effort to avoid turn coats ultimately made them weak. It is not strength to have never suffered, strength comes from overcoming suffering. Something Luke proved in RotJ. He did what no Jedi before him could and what no Sith believed was possible. He touched the dark side, and let it go. Partly because he wasn't brainwashed by the Dogmatic Jedi or the insane Sith. Both of whom mistook a psychological fact for a fact of the force. They created self fulfilling prophecy that ANY interaction with the dark side was corrupt. But balance and control are NOT created by never being angry, they are created by letting the emotion flow naturally and not letting it consume you. This is a hard skill to learn, most adults never master it; but going the opposite direction... is just as much of a fool's bet. Detachment from emotions is impossible, and being unused to dealing with them makes you vulnerable to them. Passion, love, anger, and even hate are normal parts of life you can not have balance without having experienced them to some degree and shunning them only makes them more powerful. Luke did not grow up shunning them, and Obi-Wan/Yoda were too busy teaching him the needed parts of being a Jedi to stop Vader to worry about the Dogma. So when his emotions were finally tapped into Luke was able to act like an adult and stop himself before doing something he might regret. Conversely Anakin wasnt able to because he believed that the moment he gave in he couldn't ever turn back. And like a rubber band stretched too far he snapped. He took his revenge on the Tuskin's too far because he didnt know how to step back and ask if thats what he really wanted to do or if he was just drunk on anger and pain. And then that knife in his back was left exposed for Sideous. So instead of taking responsibility for his own actions he just let it stew and blamed the dark side. "I did that because I touched the dark side. Because I'm weak." So when Sideous offered him power to protect himself from fear, Anakin was primed to think he had no choice. If Anakin had learned to deal with emotions like a human being, and had been able to express loss and regret, and all the emotions the Jedi forbid he wouldnt have over reacted and wouldnt have been so easy to manipulate to the Dark side. Luke did so he could basically say "LAWL, no. I got pissed, that doesn't make me evil and Im not going to let you manipulate my own self image with guilt over a bullshit "sin." I am in control of my own actions and master of my emotions. I wont be enslaved by them, and I wont let them enslave me to you, you creepy old pervert." Mental health, stronger then the dark side.

There's a few things about the dark side I resonate with and the way that one becomes a sith makes much more sense and is more autonomous than becoming a Jedi

The concept of evil cannot be fully understood by children.

yo, you should add compression to your voice, its a little too low compared to most videos on yt, had to raise the volume from 15 to 30.

Sometimes I find these videos a bit lacking. Tiny points analyzed far beyond their merit and rather too much energy to make the solutions seem overly grandiose. This though was a genuinely marvelous and insightful examination of what lays beyond the surface of the Sith, how they view and attempt to shape those who will come to embody their teachings and goals. Most enjoyable one of these in a while!

“He’s too old.” And yet you’re just gonna let a kid with a higher midiclorian count than Yoda go and possibly become a Sith?

Okay, but what if you are able to heal your pain? Does that automatically make you a jedi?

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Nothing teaches suffering like life.

It’s definitely messed up the Jedi recruit children but the Star Wars galaxy is very dangerous and vast and a lot of the children will live better lives than if they stayed with their families. Also if Anakin skywalker if he was discovered and trained at a young age he likely wouldn’t have fallen to the dark side when manipulated by darth sidious but we wouldn’t have a good story would we.

Who takes care of the younglings. The jedi sound like kidnappers 😂

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But wasn’t Darth Zannah found by Darth Bane at a very young age? True, she did suffer severe trauma that early and already showed signs of a manipulative psychopathic character 🤔

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the process of sith training actually makes more sense than the jedi way just taking in everyone no matter how sensitive at a young age training them with the belief they could be a great force for good in the galaxy and then one day they fail a test and guess what here ya go bud you get to be a librarian for the rest of your life...... if thats not a way to create resentment i don't know what is. at least the sith had the stance that if you suck you ain't worthy to start. and don't bother training them.

Just saw this, not sure if mentioned before but jedi generally didn't or families so they looked for apprentice's younger to fill the void.??

This video proves that it’s hard to be both a Jedi and Sith because the characters are just human and same for anyone of us in real life

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Vader if not injured would have been a perfect example since he had a Jedi live before and was an adult when he became a Sith Lord. He is still a good example but he power is limited due to his near death injuries on mustafar unfortunately.

It's actually funny, when the "heroic" order has so much 💩 in its roots. It's no wonder they eventually fell!

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Dark Side Code is pretty much general motivational speaking. Also, having a family is against the Jedi code. Hank Hill is pretty much a Sith Lord I’ll tell you what.

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I think itd be better if jedi only took older beings bc we are weakest to what we do not know which is why i think the dark siders wanted beings to know the light and have it crushed rather than never being exposed to it bc in that case if you are it can be way more enticing. Just as how if you have been thru pain suffering and loss it is much more likely that you wont want to experience that anymore or want anyone else to if you are empathetic but if you arent you would turn to the dark side or be a horibble jesi anyway.

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Why did they emphasise so much on experiences in life to become a Sith Lord, the sith should take kids, traumatise them and enslave them to their will and dispose of them away if they become failures or don’t fear them as a true Sith Lord would do.

You missed two important points, I think. First of all, Sith value free will. A child raised to be evil won't be evil by choice, it will simply be all it had known. Second, wiser Sith know the lure of the Light Side, and what keeps their apprentices in the Dark is often the feeling of guilt and notion that they cannot be redeemed (e.g. like Vader). But to gain a guilt this deep one must betray all he held dear. However, a child raised to be evil from infancy has no feeling of guilt or anything like that. It only needs to be shown the Light and it might rebel against the Dark.

I don't think the Sith strive to take an apprentice to take over just because Bane instructed them. There must be some manipulative or religious aspect to this. Perhaps some crumbs are dispersed throughout texts meant to increase one's power, or maybe Sith artifacts radiate such energy.

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The One Sith must be the exception.

All Darth Sidious did was seek out force sensitive children. During the Clones Wars he tried and during the days of the Empire a great portion of his efforts were ordering Darth Vader and the Inquisitors hunted force sensitivity children. Darth Sidious had Jedi Master Jocasta Nu on the top of his list of Jedi to capture simply because she had knowledge of where more force sensitive children could be found. Darth Sidious long since broke that Sith rule. 😂

Darth Zannah was literally trained as a child.

this is true ... but with rarities attatched there were sith royalty there were sith born of a line trained from childhood but yes generally like to open students no they did not train children as a regular thing and even among the royal houses unless the shild was gifted and already using the force ... otherwise they would wait

a child can look you in the eye and scream that they hate you from the bottom of their heart, and mean it, then an hour latter ask for a snack and after you give them one say "thank you, i love you" and STILL mean it. children dont understand true hatred and rage, which is one reason they wait till they are an adult because atleast an adult who has never felt true hatred can understand what it is

I thought they did in the EU books. So many different Sith had to have had different ideals how to pass the dark side

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Coz children are usually not evil.

Now.. while they LOVED to basically take VERY young ones in for an attempt if not definitely induction as future Jedi.. what seems odd is WHY Classic Jedi.. pre Luke an similar orders of Jedi like his, seemed to either VERY VERY RARELY OR NEVER took anyone in to train as one their own AS say even OLDER then Ep1 like Teens an actual Adults. Like again, even the Ancients did.. which honestly, is another HUGE Classic Jedi Order as we mostly know it's fails as WOULDN'T that allow for exceptionally Darkside resistant Jedi??? Since having in some cases experienced the WORST one can go through an STILL rejected it.. they'd make Great knights an even Masters as Jedi since they'd ALSO be mature enough an committed enough to KNOW what they was signing up for an will probably be more loyal an even more effective??? Think the whole "start them with a clean slate, THEN train them.." ONLY did more harm overall then good.

Why would they? A child wouldn’t know suffering let alone understand it well enough to harness those feelings into power in the dark side of the force

What about darth bane and darth Zana

Valkorion: Pathetic!

Why didn’t Palpatine try to bring Thrawn to the dark side? Was Thrawn impervious to temptation?

The sith have ethics

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