Sidious seems to me to actually enjoy lightsaber combat, too; smiling and cackling in joy, revelling in cutting loose a bit.

It would've been satisfying to see Palpatine kick Rey's ass with his lightsaber since he mastered all 7 forms. But you know Disney.

I feel like Sidious detests lightsaber dueling so much that he learned how to master it, solely for the purpose of ending duels quickly, so he wouldn't have to spend more time on it.

Sidious must have done a lot sparring sessions with Darth Plagues

Form 6 might be the best style. As the saying goes "Jack of all trades, master of none. Better to be good at all, than master of one."

This is a excellent breakdown of what Sidious did with his knowledge of lightsaber combat. I find it a better explanation of his style than to simply say he just was a master of all forms of lightsaber combat. Instead, saying he understood them well enough plus utilizing a defensive form in a random sequence that was hard to discern for 99% of opponents and then being able to switch to a aggressive form that he used his vast Force potential to augment the form, makes more sense and less Mary Suelike...

He was a master of juyo, making him unpredictable is how he overcame the jedi masters so quick in his office

I honestly think Sidious uses precision and high levels of skill because he is able to literally toy with multiple opponents with the exception of Yoda. He was very precise in his strikes and movements in order to show his true power over his opponents in the force by being so old and able to be acrobatic, nimble, aggressive, defensive, and lethal at a split seconds notice. The only way an opponent would be able to actually fight him in a lightsaber duel would be to completely put themselves into the force and hope that they had enough will/power in the force that the force wills that persons victory against Sidious.

I think two important factors are the obvious: The years of intense training under Plaigues but he also had very favourable genetics, considering that he had a very high midichlorian count

I wish they didn't bring him back for Ep 9. If they had made Snoke to be Darth Plagueis, and had allowed him to remain the central antagonist, it would have tied things together soooooo much better.

“You learned how to dance, sarcastically” -Will Farrell

It's funny how Palpatine thinks dueling is stupid while being skilled at it. It's like how Terry in "The Other Guys" practiced ballet when he was young so he could make fun of people who take ballet.

Love all you analytical videos. Especially the ones that focus on Dooku and Sidious. I would push back on two points: 1) That he has not mastered all forms of lightsaber combat and that he’s dangerous due to his speed. Source material says he’s a master of all seven forms and I’d be inclined to believe that. There is a narrative amongst some in the fan base, especially since the force council podcast with the KZfaq Star Wars versus series was released, that Sidious is not actually skilled but simply fast. The best rebuttal to this is his duel with Mace Windu. According to the novelization Sidious and Windu reached an impasse once Maxe sank into Vaapad. This implies that once their speed was equal they continue to fight with no real end in sight. This means that in terms of pure skill Sidious and Windu were dead even. While Sidious is faster than most duelist he’s also more skilled than they are.

Connection to the Force and rigorous training is one thing but what completely changed the game is when he became the senate.

Leave it to Sidious to make his opponents feel helpless against him.

When Samuel L. Jackson signed on to doing Star Wars, I believe he said something like "As long as I don't die like some sucker". So of course, Mace Windu got to face down Sidious himself. But it makes it really funny to hear the fight choreographer say "you're a sucker if you think you're gonna get the best of him"

Also, with Windu, he found out really quickly that he could not toy with him like the other dualist...if Anakin wasn't there for the assist, Windu would have surely finished him off.

We need Sith lightsaber wars: Darth Bane vs. Exar Kun vs. Tulak Hord vs. Darth Revan vs. Darth Vader (Anakin) vs. Darth Sidious Who wins? Analysis? What’s our ranking?

Vaapad is the bane of a Sith Lord's existence

Thank ypu for pointing that put that Sidious lost that duel with Windu..some people think he did not but form 7 Vaapad was Windu's spealaty and it's a sith's or dark force user nigjtmare because he can?tap in the darkside and use it against them. Not many master this form

9:20 yes. I always thought that was pretty solid evidence he threw that fight, as he sensed Anakin was on his way. That should have been game over, but it didn’t serve Sidious’s purpose to kill Windu then.

While I agree with you about the style he uses… I’ll tell you just how he was so good… force enhancement. You can be sloppy with the blade if you are just so fast and strong that it doesn’t matter. He doesn’t need to be good enough with a blade… he just has to be fast and strong enough that it doesn’t matter

Try to imagine a dark side Yoda fighting Sidous

Exar kun was the Niman GOAT 🐐 he mastered it highest degree he incorporated techniques from tulak hord and the jedi exile also he was so powerful with The force he could use dark side tendrils while dueling he was too skilled with the blade even mocked a prime luke Skywalker lightsaber techniques

Plo Koon vs Sidious would be a very interesting duel , I think that electric judgement would be very difficult for palpatine to deal with . And it is doubtful he knew he had this ability, he was stunned when yoda absorbed his force Lightning so it is clear palpatine underestimated certain jedi . He even was arrogant against Jocasta seemingly because she was the Jedi librarian

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The Rule of Two Sith were ALL powerful at everything. This is because IF the Apprentice before them found them weak at any subject? That's where the Apprentice would strike them to kill them. Naturally, even Plagueis and his master were master duelists, because if they weren't? The Apprentice would have killed them that way a loooong time ago.

I thought for second you were going to say the Ewoks ate the stormtroopers they slaughtered, which in hindsight, I think they actually did...

Nice video, I think your analysis is spot on. I read in an official book that darth maul learned and mastered niman and juyo. So it's safe to assume sidious favoured and mastered style 6 and 7.

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I'm also going to explain to you the drill that Darth Sidious is used when learning form three called Falling rain. As a Sith Lord of the Bane lineage Darth Sidious would learn the drill falling rain after the years of developing his Force attunement and what this drill is : practice form three while tapping into the dark side and not one drop of rain is allowed to hit them once this form three is mastered this is when a sith Lord will go and learn the other six lightsaber styles. So what makes Darth Sidious an extremely powerful lightsaber duelist is really simply put it it is his Force attunement when the force attunement is high it is much easier to master lightsaber combat

So essentially Sidious is a mixed lightsaber duelist like a real world mixed martial artist.

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As a young fan, watching the prequels for the first time, I always felt like Sidious was holding back against Windu. While I agree that Windu is one the BEST duelist amongst the jedi of his time, I believe that Sidious WAS in fact winning against him, only taking the dive when he felt Anakin's presence approaching (obviously to coerce Anakin to the Dark Side).

1:14 the ewalks clearly ate the guards it has been shown they will cook and eat humans and there was an abundance of dead troopers easley avaliable

Is it just me or is this the quietest video anybody's ever heard in their life? I had to kick it up like 20 notches

Storm Troopers. The Ewoks ate storm troopers. ("An entire legion of my best troops..") They weren't preparing Luke and Han for a spa day.

I would love to see Duncan McLeod from Highlander take on great grandpa palps.

Technically he lost the lightsaber duel to Yoda

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He did a lot of push-ups and sit ups, and he drank plenty of juice.

What do the Ewoks eat on Endor? Dead Imperials.

Technically, Sidious also lost a duel with Luke Skywalker in Dark Empire, though Luke was empowered by Leia’s Force Harmony ability, which allowed the young Jedi to keep up with Sidious’ speed and power

Right in all points. Sidious wants to lord over his superior skills over the Jedi which is way toys with his opponent using Nyman, once he has had fill he finishes them with Juuyo. Sidious takes Nyman and Juuyo and takes them to they're most extreme levels then utilizes them in a way in which Nyman is the ultimate shield and Juuyo being the ultimate sword.

Not exactly germane to this video, but I want to note - Kenobi, too, bested Savage and Maul single-handedly in TCW…injuring Savage and causing Maul to have to force push Kenobi away so that they could flee. I bring this up to say: if we’re going to quote soloing the two of them as one of Sidious’ “most impressive dueling feats,” then I think it’s only fair that we point out Kenobi did it, too… Too many people sleep on Kenobi. Kenobi and Sidious are the only two lightsaber wielders ever to solo Maul and Savage and walk away unscathed.

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What did the Ewoks eat? Storm Trooper, medium rare.

Darth Sidious, like all Sith Lords of the Rule of Two lineage, mastered Fast style, Strong style and Juyo. I would say he mastered Juyo to the same degree that Mace Windu mastered Vaapad. Of the other two styles I would say that Sidious has a clear preference for Fast style, relying more on speed, precision, footwork and acrobatics to overwhelm his opponents as opposed to the more static hack-and-slash moves if Strong style.

That guy was pretty clear. He concurred with Plagues, Sidious is a master of all seven forms. By definition he’s not just a master of forms 6 and 7 then, he just prefers them.

Not that I am an expert but this makes sense!! I thought this myself but it was just a guess!

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What would make a good series I think would be about Darth plagues and him training sidous

Mace windu is goated

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I fell asleep during this video and when that outro song came on i nearly shit my pants

I would personally call shenanigans when saying Palpatine was a deadly duelist. Sure he's competent and capable of teaching any form, but his strength was in the force. And someone of that caliber could be considered to be under constant force augmentation such as speed, strength, and stamina. He was fully capable of becoming a serious lightsaber duelist but blade mastery was deemed beneath him. Maul almost outmatched him on Mandalor in swordsmanship until Palpatine ultimately fell back into force use

If you ask me, it is because Sidious is the most dark side character in Star Wars. (Read: most evil). That makes him stronger with the Force and more dangerous in every way. There is no nuance, no compassion, no mercy. More importantly, he actively seeks out ways to hurt others, and life around him. He doesn't just act in his own interest, he wants the suffering and harming of others. He is a sadist, and that might well be the purest evil. An hypothetical example: if some sort of Force genie-in-a-bottle offered him power, a dozen galaxies to rule however he wished, and all the darkside knowledge he wanted, in exchange for freeing them, he would not take it, at least not in good faith. Because he would still share the universe with this strange entity, and he would never grant a single being, especially one so powerful, their freedom.

I think I can agree with this. On the one hand, certain sources would imply that the Forms are a product of the Jedi, and so Sith who were nor trained by them would lack them, but I feel if you know you are going to battle someone, and you want to win, you need to understand how they will fight you, and how they expect to win. My usual tripping point is practice; how did Palpatine HONE his skills? I've seen videos where content creators discuss Sith using training droids, or even dueling rain, if you will, so I know somewhat how even Banite Sith can get dome practice in, but I seem to recall Plagueis preventing Sidious from even having a lightsaber for a number of years into his training, and the Sith Lord, himself, was somewhat dismissive of the weapon. Once Palpatine was doing important, or at least visible, stuff, it just seems like he would have found it hard to get a chance. Several of his lightsabers were very well hidden, in wats that showed they weren't intended for typical use, and even his main one wasn't always on his person. He obviously had properties, and off-book sites under his alias, so I guess he could have had training facilities elsewhere, but since we never see them, or hear, and since Darth Sidious rarely had to come to blows with foes, it just always amazes me that he's still so talented. He's dismissive of lightsabers, and knows that the Force is often weapon enough, since he us willing ti weaponize it, and while we see him pwn Maul, and Oppress, and he later beats Windu, these are all much later. He didn't train with Plagueis much, nor could he tussle with even middling Jedi, for fear of revealing the Sith, so it seems it would be tricky to find places to test his training against something actually threatening. He could go to Sith sport worlds, or have his own facilities, I know, but these just didn't seem like things he spent much time on, and since so many other "gifted" people, in other media, practice daily, the fact that he didn't sort of makes it seem forced. My opinion, of course.

Niman would actually be perfectly fitting with Palpatine loving to insult the Jedi in subtle ways. Niman was the diplomats form. For the Jedi it let them get the combat skill they needed but focus on the force. Of course Sidious, a politician, would twist that philosophy.

Let's face it, The big Sid was a Mary Jane. He was a 60- to 70-year-old human who could go head-to-head with a 800-year-old Yoda. A species known for their immense force abilities and uber high Miti chlorine count. Yoda had the highest ever recorded by the Jedi...The Plot armor was powerful in The SId...

i actually disagree with the "niman" claim. i think palpatine mastered most aggressive forms. ataru, djem so, juyo, makashi chiefly and probably niman too. and he fought every fight like he was fighting for his life, except ofcourse when he was throwing one. what else did he do? he turned his body into a weapon, practiced all martial acrobatics until he was unnaturally agile. so he was extra. on the twirling sabers, it says alot about his playful demeanor and how he loves his toys, it also is a useful tactic to keep his blades moving around his core target zone to react to any incoming swing. there's a cunning practicality to it.

It was mentioned that Sidious used lightsabers to insult rather than kill; I assume wearing down someone while showing one have the upper hand does just that.

Good analysis!

Sidious is powerful but he’s not some omnipotent god. That’s why he struggled against Windu and Yoda, who are champions of the Jedi order. Even though Sidious has more raw power than Windu, it was a bad match up because of Windus Vaapad, which excels against dark side users.

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Here I was expecting him to say the ewoks ate stormtroopers

I was always curious about this

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I think Shi cho, makashi, djem so/ shien and Niman/ jarkai would be forms of choice.

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If I couldn't do that. I would go with Niman/Jar'kai and shien

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The ewoks obviously ate the captured stormtroopers.

Darth krayt or darth bane please. Cin drallig or luke skylwalker, you could do those to.

I personally think Sidious has actually mastered all 7 Forms of Lightsaber Combat, especially given Form 6 Niman does require knowledge/skill of Forms 1-5, so I do believe Sidious could use any Form. I do however agree with you Stupendous that Sidious does prefer Form 7 Juyo and Form 6 Niman as his main Lightsaber Forms. Since Form 6 Niman was the Jack of all Trades and Master of None, in combination with Form 7 Juyo randomised attacks and aggression that favours Dark Side users, Darth Sidious was effectively a monster duelist. Only Yoda and Mace Windu were his equals during Revenge Of The Sith.

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Around 7:00 you say form 7 isn't comprised of memorized sequences but it is, or there would be no light side equivalent.

actually yoda beat sidious in a lightsaber duel as u can see sidious lost his saber midway

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I kind of disagree with this. If you go back to Darth Bane and when he was learning how to duel, Bane was taught not just master 1 style but many so he could switch sequences at any given point in the duel. Yes, he was made to master one style that best suited him, but was mad to learn and master the rest. He passed that knowledge down to his apprentice and so on and so forth. So I do believe Darth Sidious was a master of all 7 forms, Niman was the one that best suited him first.

I would add makashi, soresu and shien to round out form 6 and 7.

The Ewoks ate the storm troopers after the destruction of the second death star. Han, Luke and Leia were there when t he at was happening.

He didn’t beat Yoda in lightsaber combat. In the novel it says Yoda won the lightsaber duel he just lost when it came down to using the force. So no he lost against Windu and Yoda

Sidious lost in his duel with Sidious, Yoda actually disarmed him, they don't show that scene, then it was a Force battle which was a stalemate

Hm. I always just assumed the Ewoks ate what was left of the Stormtroopers. Hello Not So Fresh.

Before watching the video I was like oh cool we get to hear about the hellish training sidiuous went through. After watching the video... it's Sidious is a prodigy. So essentially he's just good...😑. I guess that is an explanation,but it feels kind of hollow to me.

Sidious lost to Windu on purpose to lure him in to turn against Windu.

Anybody notice how death sidious never was referred to as “shiev” palpatine until Disney took over? Always Darth sidious, chancellor palpatine, senator palpatine, emperor palpatine, or just palpatine?

Why didn't he use a sabre against Vader when he got yeeted in the death star?

The Ewoks ate the stormtroopers. I thought this was common knowledge.

So drunken master style

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Sidious didn't lose to Mace... he took a dive in order to turn Anakin... this has been confirmed

Sideous threw the fight. He literally broke the window to get rid of the murder weapon. If he is so powerful in the force, you think he didn’t know anikin was coming. Nothing hardly surprises sideous.

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Btw he definitely lost in the light Saber duel with Yoda it's why he fell back on force powers

I don’t care what anyone says, Mace beat Palpatine in combat. I refuse to believe anything else