The original forms are extinct anyway. There's no-one left alive who knows them well enough to teach them. The styles will have to be reinvented from scratch by practitioner preferences...which is how they came to be in the first place before they were formalized and stylized.

@@xheralt Excpet for the other legends survivors of order 66. They probably still knew them quite well, debatably it well enough to teach them. But I do agree with much of your point.

fr bro, i also like to think that he naturally inherited muscle memory for some of the lightsaber combat. for example sports science talked about years ago how steph curry already had an advantage in shooting due to his dad, Dell being a great shooter as well

I'd call it a stretch to say he "mastered" it just from that. He'd certainly have the fundamentals of it, though.

@@xheralt i would say not mastered but very proficient none the less if he was keeping up with vader at his strongest (despite holding back some) on the second death star

I thought he figured it out fighting Vader honestly. It kinda fits in a way

I disagree. They are simplified, yes but they are even more efficient because they are also combined. If you take more attention : Strong Style is a combination of Djem So and Makashi. Djem So/Makashi are incredibly complementary as you can use fully the strength of each without sacrifing any ability of any of the two forms. Same for Fast Style (Ataru/Soresu) which is the combination of the most offensive form and the most defensive form together. Combined, you can focus on natural speed of Ataru/Soresu techniques to create a new form that is efficient both against blasters and in lightsaber combat. Medium Style being a combination of Shii-Cho and Niman means that you can still use the versatility of Niman with the simplicity and efficiency of Shii-Cho, which makes it more intuitive. These new Forms just not allow new Jedi to grow quicker but also stronger as they have better basics than any Padawan from Old Jedi Order and then they still have everything in their hands to build their own form. Look just at Kyle Katarn, he became strong quickly because of these Styles and it is the same for any Jedi from Luke's Order

You misunderstand. The new forms have the *potential* to surpass the old ones. However, they're full of gaps at the beginning. If you study the 7 forms, they're more rigid, however each is a perfected style. There's no: "What should I do here?" Forms 8-10 need to be filled in by each student, and are incomplete until so. This would make the new form users weaker than the old ones, until they've fleshed out their style. And if there's one thing we know about this franchise, it loves throwing as many wars at you as possible. 🤣

@@127mfan Still disagree. The old forms weren't perfected. Well, not before many years of training and specializing into it. But in the first years, each Form were simplified. But compared to New Styles, they only efficient in a specific situation. Three Styles are combined Forms so they are efficient already in different situations without spreading too much. That's why I think they are better not only in potential but also for the basics. But that's my opinion

@@bastienbauvineau562 Well, you're free to have your own.

@@127mfan Arguably the versatility and freedom of the new forms is a strength, not a weakness. A Jedi should allow the Force to guide his movements, not rote adherence to trained motions. This sort of thing is why so many Jedi were mowed down in the Clone Wars by droids, Dark Jedi, and clones, because they lacked adaptability. In comparison Luke's NJO produced Jedi of a far higher average quality than those from the Old Republic, and even some of the greatest duelists of all time.

It was the best choice because he knew he couldn't train children all their lives as he needed to rebuild a New Order quickly to replace the old one. And he didn't want to train/recruit children anymore and prefer young adults or adults or even people older than him

Do not trust your feelings for they will betray you. Trust in the force. Emotions are path to the dark side 👀

I personally would do a mixture of all 3 combining the speed of the fast style with the power of the strong style and create my own defensive blocks as I went using some breakaway blocks to throw my opponents off

I’d Prefer Fast Style. & add Form 2 for makashi’s precision, Form 3 Soresu For Defense ,with Ataru I’d use it Tactically in conjunction with the other 2. & I’d be a Jedi Sentinel.

Honestly, I would look to Niman but fill the gaps in the form itself. After all, Niman is the longest form to learn, but perhaps if apply this structure to the three forms of Luke skywalker, you’ll create a perfect flow. Actually, I been doing my own combos by being inspired by the lightsaber forms. I created the “flow” form. Or “flow” state. It shares a lot with water and you are able to handle virtually any situation.

Form 3 Strong style. I would integrate it with ataru and soresu to make it similar to anakin’s djem so where it was fast paced, but also a stronger defense than shien when focusing on integrating soresu

@@LucianPosey Soresu defense and Ataru are already incorpated in Fast Style but mixing it with Makashi is great, creating something really deadly imo

Very true

He brought hope of a better future for nerdy kids in our galaxy as well.

Definitely

Thanks for sharing

what is a Disney?

Obi wan uses form 5 after Phantom Menace

@@lekaioscar3833 Form 3 Soresu, not 5. Obi-wan Kenobi famously became known as The Master of form 3 Soresu. Not merely 'a' master of the form: THE. MASTER. of form 3 Soresu. This played a crucial role, to say a couple examples, in his defeat of General Grievous, as well as in his legendary defeat of Vader in Mustafar.

​@@nyaalilithYes, he did defeat Vader by defending the entire fight and waited for him to make a mistake. The fight would have been over instantly if Vader simply used the force instead of the lightsaber.

@@lekaioscar3833he uses form 4 in phantom menace Ataru then later masters form 3 soresu

The style of form plot armor. And form Mary Sue.

I hope Baylan will make it into the new order! And Windu, Quinlan Vos, Oppo Rancisis and Plo Koon could be still around. Kelleren Beq and Gungi of course

and don't forget K'kruhk!

​​@@RandomGuy-lu1enPlo Koon was literally blown up in his fighter at the start of Order 66 in E3 though. And since the actor playing Baylin passed, I'm going to say that he won't be making it to the New Order...

@@RandomGuy-lu1en Baylan is a Dark Jedi and the others are not confirmed to still be around after the fall of the empire.

@@Thena_the_Grey Plos Jet was blown up but even the lego model of his jet has an ejection seat 😏 since he's the favorite Jedi of most clone wars fans I think they will bring him back. Would be a missed opportunity to not do so. He didn't really die on screen. And I'm pretty sure Baylan is supposed to play a role in upcoming shows and movies and will be recasted anyway. And nowadays it wouldn't even be hard to deepfake his original face. And he's not that dark if you're honest ...

That move called trakata and it's not a form, just a move. Each form includes multiple moves. Also, one of Luke's students - Jedi Master Corran Horn recreated this technique. Corran uses trakata in combat: "Shedao Shai towered over him, rising up on his tiptoes to deliver that final blow. The amphistaff rose and crashed down, set to bash the lightsaber back into its wielder, slaying an infidel with the blasphemous weapon he embraced. With a flick of his thumb, Corran killed the blade and sagged forward. Overbalanced because his weapon met no resistance, Shedao Shai buried his amphistaff deep in the ground and stumbled a half-step forward. The surprise registering on his face widened his eyes, then his lips peeled back in a feral grin as Corran pressed his lightsaber against the Yuuzhan Vong's stomach. The lightsaber hissed. Argent light poured from Shedao Shai's mouth a second before he vomited black blood and collapsed to the ground, his spine severed, his belly smoking." Source: The New Jedi Order - Dark Tide II: Ruin

that never happened, those things aren't canon

@@Dungeon_Dunce2011 lol I wish

@@lorenzog7811 what do you mean, those never happened, you cant convince me otherwise

@@Dungeon_Dunce2011 I'm not trying to I feel the same way

@@Dungeon_Dunce2011 it was sarcasm/ disappointment

Jk that is impossible

Baylen is definitely using form 5, Luke's styles don't exist in canon