10 Biggest Watch Scams To Avoid In 2023 - Don't Buy A Watch Until You've Seen This!

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Жыл бұрын

Today I'm joined by Marc Frankel of Long Island Watch for a new #watchtalk episode all about the biggest watch scams out there and what you can do to avoid them in 2023 and beyond. In this video we discuss the ten worst watch scams out there, including everything from dodgy dealers, hidden dangers of the gray market, redialed Seiko Pogues, rip off fashion watch brands, and deceptive marketing, to price gouging for over hyped watches like the MoonSwatch Omega collaboration, social media scams, a personal experience with two franken Rolex Datejusts, and much more. Join us for another essential watch talk episode that could help you to protect yourself out in the watch world, and add a comment below to let us know of any watch scams you've encountered recently or in the past. And make sure to share this video with your fellow watch enthusiasts and anyone you know who is looking to buy or sell a watch.
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@richardseaton6390 Жыл бұрын

How can I get on the Hulex waiting list??!

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🙌🙌🙌 Good one, thank you Richard, Best regards, TGV

@paulsmith1807 Жыл бұрын

I was watching the advert and thinking exactly the same thing. Although I'm sure the waiting list isn't as ridiculous as another similar brand I've forgotten the name of ;-)

@gunzishere Жыл бұрын

Obligatory comment - finishing nowhere near a Grand Seiko

@karlsenula9495 Жыл бұрын

Does each watch come with totally unique chew marks?

@barsztik Жыл бұрын

If waiting list for Hulex too long for you, and you don't have moral issues, you can always buy homage. I've seen similar T-lex watches ;-)

@HandelOp6No5 Жыл бұрын

Man. I really needed a watch chat today.

@timchan334 Жыл бұрын

You need to call out that dealer and let us all know so we dont get scammed!

@1Ball_220Toes 8 ай бұрын

Who was it?! We need to know!!

@legathm 6 ай бұрын

A friend of mine in Austria got scammed in a real similar way by an american dealer, the watch in this case was a vintage day date. If you can just name the state the seller is operating from, it would be nice. Greetings

@OmidSoltan Жыл бұрын

Fashion watches did what major watch brands failed to do: getting people into wearing watches in the age when the majority wouldn’t even care about that.

@frankdux5693 Жыл бұрын

Because they're cheap as hell with name recognition. Crap Armani watches everywhere. Are those people going to drop £5k+ to get themselves a decent watch? No.

@AdamJay510 Жыл бұрын

I love your Ricoh you’re wearing in this video. Any idea where to get one? Love the videos

@scottc77 Жыл бұрын

I understand that, they are the only reason my younger brother wears a watch, two Michael Kors. But I sent him a Citizen to help start him on the right path 😂

@OmidSoltan Жыл бұрын

@@scottc77 I started with a DW. I didn’t know better at that time, but there is no shame in that.

@LaurentiusTriarius Жыл бұрын

It's okay until that person get one that cost over 500$ Then it's just a rip off.

@HRM.H Жыл бұрын

Fake new-old-stock watches have become a MASSIVE problem on the auction scene... happens especially alot with vintage Seiko.

@benjaminbarrera214 Жыл бұрын

Don't be afraid to name names. It's not slander/libel if it's true.

@mattiasburling 10 ай бұрын

It can be.

@siobhancrowley8777 Жыл бұрын

I'm beginning really looking forward to your watch chats, dear TGV and Marc! Glad you just released this new one.

@ExpeditedProductions Жыл бұрын

TGV, thanks for putting this out there. The annoying “competition won” scam seems to be old hat now, but they were remarkably annoying and disappointing. Nearly got me once about a year ago. Thanks to you and Marc for providing us all with the heads up. Excellent to see you both! Onward and upward, my friend!

@SkilfulLeader1 Жыл бұрын

Hugo’s utter class intro, classic piece!! 😂

@hawkeye454 Жыл бұрын

My two favorite horological enthusiasts at it again! Love the collab videos as always! Cheers, gentlemen!

@markusbe.musicfromtheunder2497 Жыл бұрын

Another fabulous and extremely informative video. New to this channel and absolutely loving it. Thank you!

@stevejamieson1613 Жыл бұрын

I disagree a little that fashion watches are bad. Some are OK. I have an Armani tank watch I bought in 2007 that looks remarkably like a vintage Rolex tank calibre 360. Still looks great and I will never part with it. Two years ago I bought.a Paul Smith pretty cheap as the store had lost the case. It’s a lovely Panda style with domed crystal and each of the silver baton markers has a different colour inlay. Quite unique and wonderful aesthetics. It had an issue a year ago and was fully repaired under warranty.

@RevLev06 Жыл бұрын

Another fine discussion of the world of watches, even the dark underside of the business. Always fun to hear what you and Mark have to discuss. Keep up the good work.

@tjanders9863 Жыл бұрын

Gentleman, I love both of your approaches to the love of watches. Your both in my opinion the best at separating the good from the bad. Thanks for the numerous videos that help us the consumer make better decisions and ultimately learn how to make good purchases.

@wilsonmoody880 Жыл бұрын

Great video!!!! I definitely appreciate the honesty in discussing these various topics related to the horology.

@joekickass9982 Жыл бұрын

Good to see TGV and Marc together again 👏

@Laz_Arus Жыл бұрын

G'day TGV, I'd just like to commend you on your editing of this video. Halfway through I suddenly noticed the seamless transition between the closeup shots of yourself and Marc and then the wider front view. Having three cameras is certainly effective and I can imagine a lot of time and effort is needed in the editing phase to ensure a smooth visual flow of the conversation. To my mind, you have the balance just right between the cameras. Well done. 👍

@davidcrandall4958 4 ай бұрын

That chat was very entertaining and informative! Thanks Guys!

@nickburak7518 Жыл бұрын

Long time enjoyer of this excellent channel. I must say (in Rexs voice) that the openings (the soundtrack, the video collage) of this show are one of the best in all of the KZfaq! And apparently there are watches to talk about in great company, too! Jolly good!

@barrettwbenton Жыл бұрын

The watch chat that *never* fails. Thanks once again, guys. (And, uh, you too, Hugo.)

@loganpierce9244 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video; it’s always a treat when you both get together and have these discussions. There’s always something to glean from your personal tastes, experiences and knot. Thank you! BTW: greetings from Texas!

@GutterLivinStargazer Жыл бұрын

Yo! My guy is back. Can't wait to watch this after the gym. Cheers!

@Trapvision3D Жыл бұрын

This was definitely a great chat. I can appreciate your love for watches.

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir! Keep up the good work on your channel. O&U! Best regards, TGV

@africanwidow Жыл бұрын

Hi TGV. Happy March coming tomorrow! I really enjoyed the smart watch verses fashion watch discussion about 35:20... in the video. Like... "the fashion watches are worse." "I feel like smart watches have "Utility"." "Fitness goals... or appointments." Soooo not in agreement with what Marc said about all that stuff. But... What I did like about the video... was the Intro! I have said it a 100 million time, your intro's are so good. Hugo, channel 865, some nice ocean shoreline scene with some hotness in there... and a motorcycle on top of that. Nice work! Nice video! 😉

@sturmgold Жыл бұрын

I am lying here with covid for the 15th day now and feeling pretty weak, but you two gentlemen made me feel a little better. Thank you ❤

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

So sorry to hear that, get better soon Simon, I'm glad we could help at least get your mind off it for a while. Thank you, Best regards, TGV

@daniell2217 Жыл бұрын

Been there. Feel better, my man!

@sinesaii Жыл бұрын

Apple juice bro, Apple juice. I remember coming out of the worst of it in the hospital, and I was not okay until the apple arrived. It was like the nectar of the Gods. I swear Thor was there, and Vishnu-with a Seiko on every arm

@darkchocolate4643 Жыл бұрын

Hope you're feeling better, Simon!

@user-ts1sg1yd9f Жыл бұрын

I enjoyed the video.Your conversation was very informative and interesting.Thank you.

@andywilson3761 Жыл бұрын

Hugo up to his old tricks, top video TGV! Love it! 🦖

@martymcpeak4748 Жыл бұрын

I loved the interview and interaction between you guys, I was hearing gypsy jazz in the background at one point and I was tapping my foot.

@christrayling1852 Жыл бұрын

I’m totally with you TGV, I love a back story with my watches. Brilliant video, I learnt so much from your conversation. Thanks guys 👏

@davidmichienzi101 Жыл бұрын

Great chat you two and cheers 🍻 👍

@TomasPerez-en6bp Жыл бұрын

God I love these podcasts its actually comforting in a way watching you two talk

@vannaeldwijk7075 Жыл бұрын

The finest presentation, very interesting content with a touch of humour, a bit of elegance+ sprezzatura. Thanks!

@mbbrooks123 Жыл бұрын

I've recently found this channel and I find it soothing for the soul. I enjoy hearing the discussions between you both and I've been watching over the past week or two now. I like everything that I've seen here so far. I've always been a watch guy at heart but yet I've never owned more than three at however I love looking at them and enjoy seeing collections no matter how cheap or expensive. The very 1st watch I owned I begged my mother to buy it for me and she did so. She didn't always buy everything I begged her to buy for me so I wasn't that spoiled. Now the watch was a Timex Indiglow with a rotating bezel and a brown leather strap it was so cool and I felt cool while wearing it. If you made it this far thank you for. your time reading my comment and tolerating my lack of punctuation and improper words used.

@billbrecht707 Жыл бұрын

Great material! Thanks guys!!

@iluvpepero Жыл бұрын

love the production quality of the content! it’s brilliant! 😍🦖⌚️

@bubbabrannan5915 Жыл бұрын

Nicely done gentlemen. Great show and great narrative... 🥃🥃🥃

@Watchmade Жыл бұрын

Again such a great video! Thx

@craigisadrummer 3 ай бұрын

Such a brilliant review, thank you. Find your style refreshing. And helped me decide on the watch! :)

@tomroeder7348 Жыл бұрын

Another great video! Looking forward to meeting you at Moyer's next week!

@Alex_GMan Жыл бұрын

Loved it. Thank you

@brunonjezic6208 2 ай бұрын

great video, great chemistry and mood with great content

@TheFranticgamer Жыл бұрын

Love when you have Mark on. It’s great seeing the different perspectives. Both of you love watches but because you’re a consumer and he’s a seller sometimes one of either your negatives or positives can be countered by the other. It’s a very unique dichotomy that works well in this setting. Also Hugo my man not classy on the over charged quartz watch but do love the Hullex name. Lol Great to see that someone else loves the series Dinosaurs!!!

@random-vl1li Жыл бұрын

Great collaboration as always. 👍

@FuquaRomeo Жыл бұрын

I would absolutely LOVE to hear you and Marc talk about the truth behind resurrected watch brands and purchased history. TGV because you are entrenched and well educated in watch history - and Marc because he knows the industry as an AD and watch designer. When a brand goes bankrupt and ends up completely defunct, but is later purchased and revived by a different company, what happens to the quality of the watches? For example, Zodiac. It seems that Fossil only purchased the rights to the Zodiac name and their designs. Nobody would pay $1,000+ for a Fossil watch, but they will if it looks like a Zodiac. What really happens when a watch brand is purchased? Are they really the same quality? Or are they just buying a better history to assist in deceptive marketing?

@TheSpritz0 Жыл бұрын

THAT would be an awesome video!!!

@chrishennemeyer7276 Жыл бұрын

Yes, Zombie brands like Aquastar, Nivada Grenchen, etc.

@rogerwills2509 Жыл бұрын

I bought a Zodiac. The buying experience was a dumpster fire from beginning to end. No exaggeration. The coupon code, billing my credit card, the customer service trying to get everything fixed, the shipping. EVERYTHING. Wouldn't recommend!!

@kbarnbrook4993 Жыл бұрын

See invicta, a Swiss watch company, bought out by an American business when it went bust, but now produces poor quality Rolex homages.

@chrishennemeyer7276 Жыл бұрын

@@kbarnbrook4993 True, but we all know Invicta is crap, whereas KZfaq reviewers sing the praises of Nivada, Aquastar and other zombie brands.

@rain3304 Жыл бұрын

Thank you both. for bring out different scams. I'm mainly a vintage watch collector but redial problems I have encounter. I guess I'm pretty blessed that my father was a watchmaker in the 60s thank you so much TGV I really enjoy your channel and hopefully one day I will get to meet you In person On ward up words. :)

@iansclone Жыл бұрын

I'm a newbie to this hobby and can't speak enough to how valuable discussions like these are. Thank you both. Also, looking forward to the UG/IW/Hulex collaboration; ready with my CC..

@adamsmiths3016 Жыл бұрын

That's exactly what's I thought. Its very approachable for a person new to this hobbie.

@rylan5040 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the advice brother!

@billjarding9906 Жыл бұрын

Love you guy's keep up the great work.

@k.iskandar Жыл бұрын

Congrats on the TGV Squale release! Such a beautiful and classy piece.

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir, Very much appreciated, O&U! Best regards, TGV

@PartyPooperXX Жыл бұрын

Getting ready to sleep and this pops up and with a great topic, keep it up

@MegaNaydan Жыл бұрын

Great timing, I just ordered the latest TGV Squale! Great talk as always!

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend! Congrats and enjoy, that means a lot to me. O&U! Best regards, TGV

@xivix6710 11 ай бұрын

Your edits are always top notch! This time the black and white is really aestheticall pleasing

@mikesenko1 Жыл бұрын

love watching you two always learn something

@TheShane209 Жыл бұрын

Thankyou for the birthday video you guys! I hope yours went well. I just got from the UPS driver my all steel matte black g shock and couldn’t be happier with it

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

Congrats! Such a cool choice, classic happy birthday! Thank you, Best regards, TGV

@christopherjohnson4276 Жыл бұрын

Great job fellas!!!

@davidjsutherland Жыл бұрын

It's Friday! FRRRIIIIDDDAAAYYY! Marc and TGV watch channel FRRRIIIIDDDAAAYYY! Love this show. Thanks guys.

@Tjsamborski Жыл бұрын

Fantastic video guys. Loved it.

@DaveMGmovies Жыл бұрын

I never get tired of these discussions. They are a real tonic. Great advice all round too but I suppose it's a rite of passage to fall into at least one of these traps. I was ripped off with my first vintage watch (from a 'proper' dealer) but the long game is that I never went back and wouldn't recommend him.

@RandallSlick Жыл бұрын

Great video and I've unexpectedly learned how to change the date on my Ricoh day/date. Thanks very much for that.

@megasoid Жыл бұрын

Good fun, thanks guys.

@2manysigns Жыл бұрын

Always great .

@dscotp185 8 ай бұрын

Great video gentlemen, As always. 👍

@micahm3709 Жыл бұрын

Great episode!!! 👍

@chriscon8463 Жыл бұрын

Love the topic today! Will there be a collab between Marc & Hugo to bring the “Hulex” to fruition?

@10lauset Жыл бұрын

Boy, that went fast. Thanks. Cheers 🍸🍸

@heikowallauer Жыл бұрын

Good evening TGV! Great to have Marc and you back on the show! Always a great treat! Locking forward to the next 40 or so minutes. Have a great evening! Best regards!

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

Good evening Heiko, always happy to hear from you, thank you, chin chin and enjoy! 😎🥂 Best regards, TGV

@davidkodym6029 Жыл бұрын

Super guys, thank you!

@mattys1467 Жыл бұрын

Hugo is just raking it in. Brands must all be after him!! Always learn from you and Mark. Thank you

@darrenmcgovern7845 Жыл бұрын

Great video tgv fantastic Hugo intro as usual and with the amazing 80s intro music I would love a hulex in my collection 👌

@jimmccaig7946 Жыл бұрын

Always a great show. Marc has a head full of interesting asides. 👍 Can you tell me when to expect the Kartier that I won last month???

@DeadlyMuffinCat Жыл бұрын

Glad you brought up the bit about the Oris frankenwatches on ebay. I recently bought a new cherry dial Oris Aquis as my first "big swiss" piece. I have been learning ore about the brand since and had some time to kill recently so I took to ebay to look at some retro pieces from them. The shear amount of them for 25$-150$ Immediately sent my scam alarm ringing and I was so curious as to why Oris of all brands but it makes total sense the way you explained it flying under the radar. Thanks for the great video !! Love watching you two talk about watches always a great way to unwind at the end of a day!

@mjcochran3515 Жыл бұрын

I bought 3 Oris watches from Ebay all China rubbish they came frim from Ebay guess it like the boys say if it to cheap how can it be true (real) 😂 lost under $200 leason learnt 😂

@richardtwyning Жыл бұрын

Gentlemen, love both your content, would certainly buy from you TGV. I've already purchased from Marc, and will do again. Excellent customer service. Hoping to get a Rangemaster II this year ;-)

@PaoloZucchetti Жыл бұрын

my favorite format!

@CarlosDiaz-gk7nk Жыл бұрын

What a great intro! Delicious gain TGV!

@anels9 Жыл бұрын

Another great videos guys

@watchpickle2k Жыл бұрын

Pretty awesome little talk :)

@brianmason744 Жыл бұрын

Loads of fun. Always a good time over at Tgv’s place.

@michaelriera6277 Жыл бұрын

Hulex… love it! This was the pick- me -upper I needed. That Ricoh is a real find.

@chrisbarnhart7944 7 ай бұрын

AMAZING intro!!!! hahaha so well done......

@gavinluckyfq3609 Жыл бұрын

This was great TGV 👏... As always.. do you have any details/dates for when you and your team will be in the uk yet? Or did I miss the info?

@alexanderi7332 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, my watch friends, was looking for something watchAble today

@Alex-px2mb Жыл бұрын

You two have some awesome conversations, what a pleasure. Also: I put Daniel Steiger in the same category with Stauer. It is interesting, though: three years ago I got a Daniel Steiger as a birthday present from a relative and it's actually a nice dress watch. A little like the "Tank" watch, it's hour, minute, second, date window. Quartz of course but the best feature is the bracelet: my relative had at least a selective eye for DS watches and got me the tungsten/stainless band, which is really quite nice. So even among the Daniel Steigers of the world, occasionally they have something nice. Cheers to both of you!

@morgan97475 Жыл бұрын

Interesting points. I hope you make some content in & around Carmel, IN while you're there. It's a rather photogenic wee town.

@stevenv.surawski1178 Жыл бұрын

Hey Guys, thank you for this very interesting video.

@dakistle 11 ай бұрын

I love these chats on this thing of ours.

@jodiwilson7299 Жыл бұрын

TGV, best intellectual watch content. Delivered with style & class. 😊

@paulb9453 Жыл бұрын

Great video, thanks for sharing your opinions. Fashion watches use cheap movements and cheap materials? Ironic really, the same fashion houses probably get a tad irritated when they’re clothes are copied using cheap materials and labour. PS is there a prize for guessing the bleeped out brands?

@TheFROG338 Жыл бұрын

Another great show boys 🙂

@filipwennergren2712 Жыл бұрын

Love this. Greetings from Sweden.

@trevtweetz Жыл бұрын

Great Episode!

@matthewyonkman5692 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Please do one on the new movement Omega just put in the Omega Super Racer.

@bolchert Жыл бұрын

I just wanted to say that I love your show. (:

@yonder_owls Жыл бұрын

On a vintage watch, I think a few aftermarket parts are fine. It's a good sign if watches were serviced over time, and at some point the parts become unavailable. Absolutely disclosure is crucial and tells you a lot about the dealer. I don't want to be zooming in on photos to figure out whether a crown is signed. That said, some online listings are just cursory. If you reach out with specific questions, a good dealer will answer thoroughly. If they don't, just walk away.

@christopherjohnson4276 Жыл бұрын

Authentificication guarantee! 😊 TGV you cracked me up. Great video as usual. ❤ ⌚️

@alexm2113 Жыл бұрын

Just when I think it'd be nice to get a video with TGV and Marc, you deliver. Well done 👏 I can totally see Marc's point about smartwatches versus fashion. There's something really disingenuous about fashion brands selling mass produced cheap quartz watches for hundreds just because they put their name on them. 🤔

@theurbangentry Жыл бұрын

Thank you as always Alex 🙌🙌🙌 Best regards, TGV

@rossfindlay7760 Жыл бұрын

Great video and advice TGV, is Mark stocking the Hulex? If so put me down for one.

@tuberaider Жыл бұрын

I had no idea about the warranty thing with grey market vendors... Wow. I learned a couple of things today.

@ajmarion Жыл бұрын

I’m thinking you’re referring to The Time Teller…

@Bob_Smith19 Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing.

@UCZ15 Жыл бұрын

Hey TGV - no one on KZfaq is talking about this but I think one of the biggest scams in the watch world right now is the Rolex 32xx movements. People are having unacceptable issues with amplitude drop-off, stiff crown and horrendous timekeeping. Experienced Rolex techs and independent watchmakers are citing the movement as compromised because Rolex have made bad decisions in multiple places in the movement for the sole reason of bumping up the power reserve to 70 hours.