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Who Could Beat Gilgamesh? (feat. StudiOmega) - A Fate Lore Discussion

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Commander Quartz

Commander Quartz

5 жыл бұрын

Link to StudiOmega's channel: / neodarksword
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TIME CODES:
3:50 - Introduction to Gilgamesh
9:46 - EXCLUSIONS/NON-CONTENDERS
16:32 - Artoria Pendragon
20:30 - Enkidu
26:22 - Alcides ("Archer Heracles")
35:34 - Arjuna
43:54 - Karna
55:45 - Ozymandias
1:08:14 - Altera
1:17:50 - Scáthach
1:32:11 - Oda Nobunaga
1:43:10 - Minamoto no Raikou
1:52:08 - Jeanne d'Arc
2:00:01 - Abigail Williams
2:18:44 - All Servants w/ "Pioneer of the Stars" (Leonardo da Vinci; Nikola Tesla; Francis Drake; Napoleon Bonaparte)
2:24:40 - HONORABLE MENTIONS
2:33:08 - CLOSING THOUGHTS

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@SetsunoKai
@SetsunoKai 5 жыл бұрын
Saber Alter deserves a mention for defeating Gil by scolding him in Carnival Phantasm
@PeachDragon_
@PeachDragon_ 5 жыл бұрын
Gilgamesh is secretly a beta... So enkidu was the alpha back then? I feel bamboozled
@narutardkyuubi
@narutardkyuubi 5 жыл бұрын
How is this news? Gilgamesh himself told Kirei that, as a sampler of pleasure, he’s tasted every possible source of ecstasy the world has to offer; logically, this would include BDSM and submissive play. As an aside, turns out people who are usually very alpha in public life, have a significantly higher chance of being a submissive during SM plays.
@pancake1781
@pancake1781 5 жыл бұрын
*I A M A G O T H I C L O L I T A M A I D S I R*
@SamGarcia
@SamGarcia 5 жыл бұрын
In a sane viewpoint, anything involving pain and submission is probably not viewed as pleasure, especially by Gil.
@MaxVosWilliams
@MaxVosWilliams 5 жыл бұрын
Unlimited Poke Works
@SpectreSCII
@SpectreSCII 5 жыл бұрын
"He can't fight the universe!" You underestimate Gil's universe-sized ego.
@francescolombardi3438
@francescolombardi3438 5 жыл бұрын
Enkidu: It's over Gilgamesh. I have the high ground! Gilgamesh: You underestimate my power! Enkidu: Don't try it!
@kevk9306
@kevk9306 4 жыл бұрын
@@francescolombardi3438 he actually beat enkidu tho
@iantaylor9664
@iantaylor9664 4 жыл бұрын
Since Void Shiki can un-person him on a whim, erase his existence with a thought, no. Gil can't fight her
@kevk9306
@kevk9306 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mythos66 I'm pretty sure that it was stated that gilgamesh beat enkidu by emptying his treasurie and reducing enkidu by 10% of his clay body and afterwards sparing his life and becoming friends
@kevk9306
@kevk9306 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mythos66 lol i actually read on gilgamesh real life myth and saw aninews I'm not sure wich is wich anymore
@vibratingfandomenergy325
@vibratingfandomenergy325 4 жыл бұрын
When you hear them wondering if Cu ever fought Gilgamesh seriously and you know he did in the Fate Stay Night Route without a master and still lasted 12 hours but it’s never mentioned.
@keijipatton443
@keijipatton443 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was 24 hrs
@vibratingfandomenergy325
@vibratingfandomenergy325 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe? I might've gotten it wrong.
@souvikbose8583
@souvikbose8583 4 жыл бұрын
@@keijipatton443 it was 12 hours
@justpepe253
@justpepe253 4 жыл бұрын
@@5chneemensch138 Lul no
@hell7756
@hell7756 4 жыл бұрын
@@5chneemensch138 Cu had a master.
@francescolombardi3438
@francescolombardi3438 5 жыл бұрын
King Hassan is so powerful, he can murder the concept of spoilers
@pilotmanpaul
@pilotmanpaul 4 жыл бұрын
He also has Uncrowned Arms Mastership EX giving all his traits a +1 as long as his true name is not revealed. It also reverses the stats other Servants could feel. So Servants would feel he is utterly weak when in reality he his a walking Moon on Dark Armor.
@KayKay-ms4le
@KayKay-ms4le 4 жыл бұрын
Pilot Paul The Lonely He is the fucking grim reaper for short
@wondays654
@wondays654 4 жыл бұрын
Kay Kay I wonder though, grand servants are only stronger because of the way they are summoned. I wonder if they are to fight if both were either summoned as servants or as grand servants.
@KayKay-ms4le
@KayKay-ms4le 4 жыл бұрын
@@wondays654 basically any of the grands with their grand totle owns gil solomon cayse he IS FUCKING SOLOMON merlin will keep dodging until gil is out of mana,orion and gramps aren't stupid like him and since gil is arrogant he will most definitely lose but gramps and orion without the title is a different story since orion will struggle thx to the chains of heaven and gramps will have some sort of trouble with gob buuuuttt... Knowing them both gramps won't waste time and will try and kill him asap as for orion he may play with gil for abit until Orion decides to shoot him with his bow that Never misses its target as for solomon he still owns gil and merlin didn't lose the grand title so yeah he still will beat him just by exhausting him to death its just that they are on a whole another level but if gil uses ea then thats a story of its own
@wondays654
@wondays654 4 жыл бұрын
Kay Kay i understand what you are saying, but if the whole point of grand servant’s strength is their summoning, if they were summoned in the same way, would they still just be better. I’m mostly referring to Solomon. If Gil is also summoned as a grand servant then who wins? I can’t think of anything aside Avalon that can withstand a fully powered Ea, since it basically returns things to genesis.
@BlackBirdGuardian
@BlackBirdGuardian 5 жыл бұрын
I now wanna see an animated version of Ozzy and Gil fighting. Be funny and flashy as hell! Ozzy: "Are you 15% yet?" Gil: "Baka, I'm not even 10%!" Ozzy: "Same here!" Both of them: "BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!"
@johnkubiak1154
@johnkubiak1154 5 жыл бұрын
They wouldn't even fight it would just be a month long laughing match
@philiphockenbury6563
@philiphockenbury6563 5 жыл бұрын
It's basically like a weird dick measuring contest between the two.
@honmamayonnaise5189
@honmamayonnaise5189 5 жыл бұрын
BlackBirdGuardian Ozy brings out the sphinx kittens while Gil shoots out golden yarn balls
@hubfuxer482
@hubfuxer482 5 жыл бұрын
I would love that. Pls someone Do it
@lonelygamerinspace548
@lonelygamerinspace548 5 жыл бұрын
yes pls.
@kikimetter
@kikimetter 5 жыл бұрын
Basically, those fights all depends on how willing is Gil at pulling out
@ZoneSkye
@ZoneSkye 5 жыл бұрын
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@notathiefbutatreasurehunte3653
@notathiefbutatreasurehunte3653 5 жыл бұрын
"Pulling out" Does Gil have a pull out game
@Takodachiii
@Takodachiii 5 жыл бұрын
Phrasing on point there
@narutardkyuubi
@narutardkyuubi 5 жыл бұрын
Considering his habit of abusing the Prima Nocta before meeting Enkidu yet never having any children from that phase...he might actually have a perfect pull out game.
@SanguineRoseMun
@SanguineRoseMun 5 жыл бұрын
Actually considering his personality, especially before Enkidu he might just have killed any who he even remotely might have impregnated
@johnapple6646
@johnapple6646 4 жыл бұрын
Who will win: King of Heroes with uncountable number of weapons and mystical powers Or One hungry Japanese school girl
@typeouetco1626
@typeouetco1626 4 жыл бұрын
Gilgamesh destroy the universe (and reality itself ) and they live together on a perfect planet
@legendinvoker
@legendinvoker 4 жыл бұрын
typeOU et co not sure about that
@ElZamo92
@ElZamo92 4 жыл бұрын
typeOU et co no, he can’t do that. He can separate the living world from the planet or destroy a reality marble, but he’s FAR from strong enough to destroy the universe. Ea is basically the antithesis of Rongohminiad.
@thosebeyondgod
@thosebeyondgod 4 жыл бұрын
Me.
@Jame-zz4tu
@Jame-zz4tu 4 жыл бұрын
EA can't defeat the world.how the hell he can destroy univers.Also CCC servant get buff from protagonist so all servant that you chose is equal
@Jawzx6
@Jawzx6 5 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I love King Hassan and all but I really wanted to you mention that factor that King Hassan was blocking Gawain's attacks with his CLOAK. Not to bother with his sword or the shield he could equip.
@sensen7216
@sensen7216 5 жыл бұрын
Gil and Ozy fight in three stages. Battle of egos, battle of laughter, then a fight to the death.
@typeouetco1626
@typeouetco1626 4 жыл бұрын
wait, isn't it an easy 3/3 for gil then?
@arkhilean7427
@arkhilean7427 4 жыл бұрын
@@typeouetco1626 No because Gil can't actually kill Ozy with his np out even with Ea due to anti purge defenses from Ramesseum Tentris and it not being a reality marble, and Ozy has issues killing Gil so it's really just stall fest until Gil eventually either leaves or gets hit
@typeouetco1626
@typeouetco1626 4 жыл бұрын
@@arkhilean7427 EA breaks reality itself, HOW would ozy block it? by the way, gil still has the good ol' philosopher's stone, sooo
@arkhilean7427
@arkhilean7427 4 жыл бұрын
@@typeouetco1626 Because EA is noted to be capable of being blocked by either "anti purge defense noble phantasms or attacks of equal or greater power" Ozymandias' temple is known to have the former in terms of AntiPurge defenses. Also it doesn't break reality itself, EA is an anti-world Noble phantasm that specializes in breaking Reality marbles, which is why it's known to be so overpowered, which doesn't help in getting past the weakness Nasu put to it, anti purge defenses. Also Philosophers stone doesn't help if it's in GoB, only if he thinks to take out beforehand realizing it'll help him use gob in the temple and survive a little longer, although that won't do anything due to Gob only helping with fighting sphinxes infinitely regenerating as Ozy shoots part of his mount shooting lasers due to his temple being fine.... Oh wait did I forget to mention this is a skill and technique not a np. The fact Gil doesn't even have access to this makes this impossible to happen in the first place. Don't forget to read your character materials
@typeouetco1626
@typeouetco1626 4 жыл бұрын
@@arkhilean7427 thing is, the stone is produced by the np: sword of paracelsus, and Gilgamesh can easily see through anything and figure out its weak point
@FTW1230
@FTW1230 5 жыл бұрын
King hassan: *parry* *parry* *parry* *sandstorm over* Gwain: ha the sun is out now King hassan: *parries* King hassan: of course, arrogance is warranted that light couldn’t wake one that is sleeping
@TheBitingBat
@TheBitingBat 3 жыл бұрын
And to flex he parries it with his cloak not even his sword
@Benxall
@Benxall 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheBitingBat "Ha! Now that the sun is out you are doomed!" *KH slaps him with his cloak* "...dude"
@LatencyProblem
@LatencyProblem 5 жыл бұрын
"As a Ruler, Jeanne is well endowed-" you could've ended it there actually.
@aozorahaou2643
@aozorahaou2643 Жыл бұрын
The Holy Bust is everything
@ShinigamiSamaH
@ShinigamiSamaH 5 жыл бұрын
Easy, it's the most dangerous entity in all of Fate. Gudako.
@sauceboi5965
@sauceboi5965 5 жыл бұрын
I don't get it
@sauceboi5965
@sauceboi5965 5 жыл бұрын
@@xiaoxiaoguy395 Just because i have memes on my name, doesn't mean that i know them all.
@iriiri7487
@iriiri7487 5 жыл бұрын
Shinigami Sama Satan doesn’t count as she is the literal personification of death and salt
@johnapple6646
@johnapple6646 4 жыл бұрын
@@xiaoxiaoguy395 wait what part of smudge the cat spells 'memes'
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 4 жыл бұрын
@@sauceboi5965 Gudako is queen of gatcha, anyone that gets in her way will be ground up into saint quartz and used for more gatcha
@wilsonsiregar4737
@wilsonsiregar4737 5 жыл бұрын
normal people sees: Gilgamesh vs THE WORLD muscular people sees: Gilgamesh vs *『THE WORLD』*
@iriiri7487
@iriiri7487 5 жыл бұрын
ZA WARDUO
@shimazakifan7171
@shimazakifan7171 5 жыл бұрын
Ozzy is DIO
@MrJostur
@MrJostur 4 жыл бұрын
*GUUDBYYE, JOJOooo.*
@uselesshero.official
@uselesshero.official 4 жыл бұрын
WOKE!
@e.v4892
@e.v4892 4 жыл бұрын
All I'm saying is that if Gilgamesh doesn't use prototype Gae Bolg or Ea straight off the bat against DIO, he gets the Kakyoin treatment.
@darkalmasy
@darkalmasy 5 жыл бұрын
Scathach: "Training begins now." Gil: "...Nani?" Scathach: "DODGE!!!"
@facundoarana4140
@facundoarana4140 5 жыл бұрын
This comment is underappreciated... You have my respect sensei
@blueman8734
@blueman8734 5 жыл бұрын
Scathatch: *dodges all attacks* Gil: "Well Fuck...ENUMA ELISH" Scathatch: *gone* Gil: "HAHAHAHAH..." Scathatch: *smack from behind* Gil: *gurguling sounds*........*silence*
@giakseven3120
@giakseven3120 5 жыл бұрын
@@blueman8734 Gate of skye. Dodged. Gae Bolg. And gil suddenly, stops laughing.
@luksalter8200
@luksalter8200 5 жыл бұрын
King Crow Gil has clairvoyance,so he already expect that she would do some move like that
@VolticWind
@VolticWind 5 жыл бұрын
Luks alter He explicitly ignores outcomes he doesn’t like.
@eldritchbeer
@eldritchbeer 5 жыл бұрын
Scathach: t poses against cu chulain and gilgamesh Cu and gil: cowers in a corner
@ideasonek3374
@ideasonek3374 4 жыл бұрын
Why cant cu defeat gil?
@efecaktl5432
@efecaktl5432 4 жыл бұрын
@@ideasonek3374 i believe they fought in fate route for 3 days and he lost in the end
@mr.mc.doesntexist7693
@mr.mc.doesntexist7693 4 жыл бұрын
@@efecaktl5432 i think it was mostly because of his battle continuation, speed and endurance
@stefanomerlo5457
@stefanomerlo5457 4 жыл бұрын
@@mr.mc.doesntexist7693 It was mostly because of "protection from arrow" that protect him from projectiles
@mr.mc.doesntexist7693
@mr.mc.doesntexist7693 4 жыл бұрын
@@stefanomerlo5457 well that too, I took it for granted since it's the most memorable skill in fgo XD
@WTFM
@WTFM 5 жыл бұрын
"it just means shiny things find their way to Gil" best sum up ever
@douglasmcquaid5343
@douglasmcquaid5343 5 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: Gilgamesh's hatred for the gods for killing Enkidu caused him to lower his OWN divinity from A+ to B.
@iremainunimpressed1589
@iremainunimpressed1589 4 жыл бұрын
Can I see the stats
@typeouetco1626
@typeouetco1626 4 жыл бұрын
remember when gilster used Presence concealment ex because he said so? it was fun
@luigioregon4935
@luigioregon4935 4 жыл бұрын
Archer gil is before enkidu dies
@blueray2174
@blueray2174 4 жыл бұрын
@@luigioregon4935 Archer Gil is after Enkidu dies but before he goes after the herb of immortality
@imbangmaynn5705
@imbangmaynn5705 4 жыл бұрын
Is this real? Can someone show a valid point to how?
@ReelRai
@ReelRai 5 жыл бұрын
Two things that bothered me in this video. 1. Gil's armor is crazy strong. 2. Gil has no mental defenses? He's the only servant whos ego is so big that he can repel the Grail's influence. Even Saber who has crazy magic resistance turned into Alter, meanwhile Gil basically took a swim in the Grail and it did nothing to him.
@zeehero7280
@zeehero7280 7 ай бұрын
Alter saber is also adorable, with her huge craving for snack food lol.
@DarthAlphaTheGreat
@DarthAlphaTheGreat 5 жыл бұрын
"You ask me does my armour gets in the way of fighting? You insolent fool! This is one of the greatest armour ever crafted! But yes, it does. That's why I am an Archer." --Paraphrased quote from Fate/Extella Link.
@lordtouchme5417
@lordtouchme5417 5 жыл бұрын
And that's probably why he didn't wear it against herc or shirou
@ironfreddy3192
@ironfreddy3192 5 жыл бұрын
Fate/Extella is an abomination and no one uses it.
@shonengandalf729
@shonengandalf729 4 жыл бұрын
You just reminded me why I love gil soo much
@adam-dn3hi
@adam-dn3hi 4 жыл бұрын
@@lordtouchme5417 preety sure he lived with the mana of kids kirei kidnappes thet time so it does make sense why he dident use his armor
@lidergamesxy1009
@lidergamesxy1009 4 жыл бұрын
Hey wasn't Gilgamesh armor that can up his magic resistance from E to Bigger? And some other armors inside his Gate of Babylon as well he can increase his speed with another ton of iten inside his Gate?
@kirbuu
@kirbuu 4 жыл бұрын
"If the universe is so big, why won't it fight me?"
@anderu2384
@anderu2384 4 жыл бұрын
Internert historian
@monke4163
@monke4163 2 жыл бұрын
XD
@grapesvine
@grapesvine 5 жыл бұрын
You could do the opposite and see who Angra Manju could beat.
@99dreg
@99dreg 5 жыл бұрын
Craft Essence Essence That actualy is a good question.
@CalebPorter1105
@CalebPorter1105 5 жыл бұрын
Villager A and Villager B
@sebastianpajaro8121
@sebastianpajaro8121 5 жыл бұрын
Cu chulainn because well, pretty much everyone defeats him, he's a lancer, so he's a sure one
@soarel325
@soarel325 5 жыл бұрын
Villager Angra? Hans Christen Andersen and that's about it. All the World's Evils Angra? That's not a servant, that's an apocalypse. Pretty much only Proto Arthur could beat that.
@CalebPorter1105
@CalebPorter1105 5 жыл бұрын
@@soarel325 I'd say Shakespeare as well honestly and he could probably 1v1 a couple of the hundred personas possibly but not all of them.
@frogking307
@frogking307 5 жыл бұрын
Who could beat Gilgamesh. Another Gilgamesh of course.
@edmond0073
@edmond0073 5 жыл бұрын
that classic superman vs superman eh ? lol nice
@MrCat-zz5eo
@MrCat-zz5eo 5 жыл бұрын
...oh boy. They'll either sling _"FAKER! MONGREL! RIDICULOUSLY HANDSOME MAN WHO SO HAPPENS TO LOOK LIKE ME!"_ all Grail War long, or stroke each other's egos too much.
@NathanielHikarov
@NathanielHikarov 5 жыл бұрын
Gilgamesh Alterego class confirmed?
@likeanuuk6612
@likeanuuk6612 5 жыл бұрын
angelica?
@ProvShadow
@ProvShadow 5 жыл бұрын
Angelica couldn't even keep up with Kid-Gil because he has mastery of GoB unlike her. Proto Gil or FemGil (DW when?) would be a better match up.
@wroughtiron6031
@wroughtiron6031 4 жыл бұрын
1:30:30 No, Gil and Cu Chulainn fought each other in the first Fate Route, and survived for 12 hours without a master. (His Protection from Arrows and battle continuation probably helped him out).
@aghitsaplane4262
@aghitsaplane4262 3 жыл бұрын
I still feel like Gil would be immune to loss of sanity since he got absolutely showered in grail mud and the only thing he lost was his clothes
@enkidude9372
@enkidude9372 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure that a realm that is beyond human comprehension is vastly worse than being shown all evils in human history. Don’t know how Gil survives that
@thirdplanet4471
@thirdplanet4471 3 жыл бұрын
@@enkidude9372 But Gil isn't human. He's part god and he also became a heroic spirit
@enkidude9372
@enkidude9372 3 жыл бұрын
@@thirdplanet4471 gil is not *full* human to be exact. Besides, Gilgamesh doesn’t have any feats or statements that even implies that gilgamesh perceive things that’s beyond all human comprehension like Abigail’s noble phantasm
@L10n36
@L10n36 Жыл бұрын
​@@enkidude9372he could use the Gate of Babylon to take out an item that makes him immune to mental corruption.
@L10n36
@L10n36 Жыл бұрын
E é dito na lore dele que ele percebe coisas que nem os deuses percebem(provavelmente por causa da percepção humana e divina dele se juntando).
@motivatedsonofsparda3646
@motivatedsonofsparda3646 5 жыл бұрын
Moedred can beat Gil. They would just start a screaming match, at that point Moedred wins.
@MrPlatinumboii
@MrPlatinumboii 5 жыл бұрын
Gil would mention her dad/mom and Mordred would yell Chichiue! And well go berserk 😂
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 5 жыл бұрын
gil:"oh,you are artorias daugther" mordred:"DONT CALL ME GIRL" gil:"NANI"
@sylvierose2799
@sylvierose2799 5 жыл бұрын
Gil " hey, girl" Mord: *MAD ENHANCEMENT EX*
@FishfaceTheDestroyer
@FishfaceTheDestroyer 5 жыл бұрын
*Gil:* You look just like your mother. *Moedred:* _CLARENT BLOOD TRIGGERED_
@BlackBirdGuardian
@BlackBirdGuardian 5 жыл бұрын
Gil: "Well, if it isn't Artorias baby gi-" Mordred: *suddenly behind Gil* OMAE WA.... MO SHIDERU.... Gil: "NANI?!"
@caitlin-from-pokemon
@caitlin-from-pokemon 5 жыл бұрын
One thing to mention that I think is relevant for the Abigail section is that, when Gil was coated in the grail mud (a physical manifestation of all the world's evils), he was completely unaffected due to his vast ego. It's not quite the same thing as what Abigail does to him, but I think he would fair better then you guys say he would.
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 2 жыл бұрын
Also his armor makes up for his low magic resistance
@jordanlyons2609
@jordanlyons2609 Жыл бұрын
@@durrangodsgrief6503 “superior to King Arthur” which means it is above a-rank
@hanauta1roxas
@hanauta1roxas 2 жыл бұрын
Note: alcides (heracles archer) no longer has divinity within his body, he push it out of his body into his bow This means his no longer afected by the abilities of the chain of gilgamesh
@sushiwooshi3965
@sushiwooshi3965 2 жыл бұрын
So basically, completely destroys Gil?
@ShinyAzzy
@ShinyAzzy Жыл бұрын
@@sushiwooshi3965 gil destroy him without needing Ea on the novel when he use gob with some tac tics
@No-cc1fq
@No-cc1fq Жыл бұрын
@@ShinyAzzy strange fake?
@ShinyAzzy
@ShinyAzzy Жыл бұрын
@@No-cc1fq yeah
@rainbowstalin594
@rainbowstalin594 Жыл бұрын
@@ShinyAzzy I wouldn't say destroyed, their fight got interrupted by Ishtar by 2nd time around didn't it?
@SuperTyrannt
@SuperTyrannt 4 жыл бұрын
No love for my boy The Count of Monte Cristo? The guy can move fast enough to break through space-time, can inflict wounds that don't heal, killed a dead apostle in life and can supposedly burn souls with his flames... How does a regular servent beat that?
@goldenbrigain7031
@goldenbrigain7031 4 жыл бұрын
They use some other version of their bullshit. For the religious ones some kind of super weird 'absolution' that usually means sending the soul to heaven or obliterating it in it's return to Nirvana. For the fighters some kind of probability manipulating shit that allows them to break physics and create undodge-able attacks (Kojiro) create new possibilities and and never give up the fight (musashi) imbue the concept of death unto things that don't die or even originate from the earth totally (King hassan)...target the mind and soul (Shakespeare) Or in Gils case, literally have a solution to each and every problem.
@YeetFrog.
@YeetFrog. 4 жыл бұрын
yeah he could kill gil before gil could react
@SuperTyrannt
@SuperTyrannt 4 жыл бұрын
​@@goldenbrigain7031 The speed blitz he'll do alone should deal with Kojiro, Musashi (probably) and most other servents who don't have instinct or the reaction speed to counter/defend his attacks, probability and other hax be damned since he's already breaking the laws of physics. Tho I'm saying speed blitz the way it's described in his NP is making it seem like time halt has been employed so make of the what you will. King Hassan is far from a regular servent even taking a regular class container into account and it'll come down to if Dantes can kill him without taking a hit at risk of inta-death hax. I really doubt Shakes or anyone else in a standard class container can attack his mind considering his skills (Determination of Steel 'EX' and Wisdom of Desperation), his class (Avengers are driven by grudges, hate and vengeance so much so it's probably become something like Mental Pollution) and the fact that he's normally seen helping Guda recover from instances where his soul or mind is in danger while it's seemingly implied Dantes frequently deals with such cases aside from Guda's. If anything whoever attempting the attack might get it turned onto them. The case they made in the video for Karna against Gilgamesh can be said even more so for Dantes as he too can falsify his stats and even his class. Nothing short of a charged EA will kill him as his sword spam would be dodged, chains are useless and uncharged EA while powerful has been shown to not be lethal. Any hit that doesn't kill him outright can be recovered from with a temporary amp to his stats. I am not making these abilities up, you can find them on his in-game profile or on typemoon/grandorder wikis.
@goldenbrigain7031
@goldenbrigain7031 4 жыл бұрын
@@SuperTyrannt Never said you were making stuff up man, you're good. Also I wasn't saying Dantes is a weak servant at all. He's pretty Bullshit. But nobody is invincible in fate, is what I meant to get across. If Gil could pull his head out of his ass and use the root of origin more often he'd be badass but BB herself shows why that's about as good as useless in becoming invincible. I mean fuck, the entire premise of the last arc was fighting a nigh-invincible demon god with more raw power than the planet he was born on, who was also capable of incinerating all life in the world multiple times by doing it across time itself. All on top of being completely immune to servants at a basis and about 12 other different types of hax including possessing control of all magecraft (or at least the current system used in the world he helped foster, not sure about older or more esoteric stuff). He got killed by a dude who burns his time watching a genderbent version of his worst enemy play around as half pop star half fap material because of a glorified one ring move. Fuck, a random Japanese kid just so happened to unlock the perfect reality marble, one of the most not only powerful but distinctly known for being inflexible abilities in the world, to kill essentially a walking armory built upon the basis of all of mankinds wisdom being horribly misused. The entire new arc is fighting an alien super-being who near genocides the dominant species of a planet and completely rewrote the laws of reality (since textures are literally just the rules of how reality works on a planet) on said world, while committing acts other gods, themselves being of alien descent, couldn't match even in realities where they were stronger than ever before. And somehow, winning against THAT with the power of friendship and hax. Dantes is a badass. What he's not is God. Nobody is. That's all I was trying to get across.
@SuperTyrannt
@SuperTyrannt 4 жыл бұрын
@@goldenbrigain7031 Oh nah I didn't think you were saying I was making stuff up, it's just I know that all these abilities and feats that some random human gained without even knowing how to use magic sounds pretty absurd. Yeah I agree that no one is really invincible in fate it's one of the things I love about the franchise, just that it irks me when some people tend to discount servents like Dantes, Artoria, Siegfried, Circe, Arjuna etc just because they get outperformed by others in the same class and/or rarity in-game or because of some tier list ranking that's only for the game. Yeah looking back he really did get screwed over tho it's his fault for not accounting for the possibility of said ring move. Lol the most funny yet accurate description of UBW I've ever heard. Given what happened in the previous arc I'd say it's not THAT farfetched. They've met a lot of powerful servents already so it's possible especially when you consider the foreigners and certain alter egos. If the other 2 come back as alter egos as well then even better. Take into account they've already been acquainted with and earn the favor of some Grands then it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch tho I hope it's well written and executed so people don't compare it to Naruto's final arc levels of bs. Yep he's badass and powerful but not unstoppable. Even tho he's one of my favorites I won't claim he can beat someone I know he can't beat which is why I said regular servents as extra class servents are generally absurd and powerful enough to make you get why they can't normally be summoned.
@AtelierGod
@AtelierGod 5 жыл бұрын
In the Fate Route Cú and Gilgamesh fights each other for 10 hours straight.
@lodsup
@lodsup 5 жыл бұрын
i thought cu held gilgamesh off for a full 12 hours fighting defensively. Cu is a madman.
@valenschristianyosua
@valenschristianyosua 5 жыл бұрын
@@lodsup he still lost though
@AtelierGod
@AtelierGod 5 жыл бұрын
Valens Christian Yosua 10-12 hours of battling against the strongest hero in the Nasuverse, still a massive feat.
@lodsup
@lodsup 5 жыл бұрын
He lost against one of the most OP normal servants in the world? well no shit. most servants would get wiped out with a few attacks from gil.(even heracules didnt survive that long with 12 lives). Fights normally end in seconds if not minutes. He survived against gil for HALF A DAY, taking barrage after barrage of noble phantasms (some he is potentially weak to/with special effects).
@AtelierGod
@AtelierGod 5 жыл бұрын
LoDsuper technically his protection from arrows is what allowed him to dodge all projectile noble Phantasms Gilgamesh kept throwing at him.
@aetherjc7100
@aetherjc7100 5 жыл бұрын
I think you missunderstand Gate of Babylon a bit. It doesn't only have swords and weapons inside, but all the treasures of humanity. That's what makes Gil so dangerous. Besides raw power, he is the most flexible servant in existence. In your Scathach example you mentioned that she has him beat with her tools and skills. That's the thing though. Gil can pull all the counters he wants from the Gate. Anti-magic shields, amulets and elixirs for her runes. Device that scrambles her cognition to lock her wisdom of Dun Scaith. Whole range of mobility tools, invisibility, barriers and so on to not let her go close. But then again. Gil is not a character so much as a plot device. He was canonicly made the strongest, so he can defeat everyone he needs to, as long as the narrative calls for it. The same goes for his enemies. He can certainly loose, but he's not called the strongest without a reason. Btw. I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Romulus. I know he's a joke in-game, but he's a real powerhouse in lore. Perfect Imperial Priviledge baby!
@SuperAmaton
@SuperAmaton 5 жыл бұрын
Romulus may have good skills, but he still has no real answer to the Gate of Babylon. And his own NP's just don't cut it.
@aetherjc7100
@aetherjc7100 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperAmaton Are you sure? His spear is said to rival Rhongomyniad. I say that's high enough on power scale to blow projectiles away for him to get close to Gil. Aaaand since he has Agility A, (same as Karna and Scathach) he should be able to do it fast enough. With his IP he should be able to gain even additional help with this.
@SuperAmaton
@SuperAmaton 5 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't understand it in that way, but i think i did underestimate him a bit.
@aetherjc7100
@aetherjc7100 5 жыл бұрын
@@SuperAmaton well... he doesn't get enough recognition since DW made him a joke 3 star, so it's understandable that not everyone knows how strong he is in lore.
@cynt4416
@cynt4416 5 жыл бұрын
Shirou Tokisada Amakusa Kotomine Pretty sure his lance which's beat even Rhon can shit on Gil. For reference, Ea power is about 4000, Rhon power is 3 000 000 unit, and the was when she wasn't fighting anyone, just want to destroy a village.
@direhunter7045
@direhunter7045 5 жыл бұрын
*Gramps laughs from the darkness*
@pilotmanpaul
@pilotmanpaul 4 жыл бұрын
They forgot to mention that when he duked Tiamat, he had a normal Saint Graph.
@colinmasterson666
@colinmasterson666 5 жыл бұрын
XD the mental image Cú Chulain and Gilgamesh cowering before Scáthach would be priceless. This is how I interpret it playing out in my head: Gill being dragged off by Scáthach: "Lancer. I command you to assist me in my escape from this Mongrel wench!" Cú: the colour drains from his face completely. "Not after you just signed your own death warrant buddy…" Scáthach: lets out a huge aura of killing intent. "I'm a 'Mongrel wench', now am I?" A sadistic smile creeps onto her face. "Looks like you need more 'training' then I expected. Lets try doubling… no, tripling what I had in mind for you then, shall we?" Gill: "…Mother, help me…" Cú waves them off in the background. Cú: "I'd say it was nice knowing him… but it an't." Walks off to go fishing in a ugly Hawaiian shirt with smug smile plastered on his face as Gill's screams of pain/death echo in the background.
@palerider4h66
@palerider4h66 5 жыл бұрын
Colin Masterson we need this because this would be hilarious though I do think 🤔 scathatch does have a high probability of beating Gil I dunno with all the phantasms in the gate the thing is it’s anyone’s game. That’s kinda the bad thing with the character of Gilgamesh it truly depends on how serious and his mindset in which how fast he’ll pull out big giant noble phantasms (not counting EA cause that’s just plain broken though I like the argument that scathatch could transport out real quick and avoid it) so who knows 🤷🏻‍♂️
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 4 жыл бұрын
And then Berserker herc walks in and is like, so my favorite ragdoll
@CodeyPro
@CodeyPro 4 жыл бұрын
Gil fodderizes Scathath.
@johnathanera5863
@johnathanera5863 4 жыл бұрын
@@CodeyPro lol. No. Not even close dude.
@CodeyPro
@CodeyPro 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnathanera5863 Sorry but he's the strongest heroic spirit. Scathath while first rate isn't #1 out of all heroic spirits.
@JaymicTheUnyielding
@JaymicTheUnyielding 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid, guys! Love the discussion. I do have a few more ideas to add to the mix: - Rider Quetzalcoatl While Nightingale can't suppress Gil's Enuma Elish and utilize her own offensive capabilities at the same time, Quetz can. Her Xiuhcoatl Noble Phantasm would keep Gil from using Ea (though notably it only blocks the true name release, so Gate of Babylon is probably unaffected) while continuing her own attack. And while she is highly vulnerable to Enkidu, Gil is equally defenseless against Quetz's magic attacks, especially Piedra del Sol (which actually lowers her divinity level, which would help her against Enkidu). - Lancer Artoria Pendragon (and Alter) I'm not sure if this falls under the Artoria you already discussed, but I thought Rhongomyniad is worth considering. Both it and Enuma Elish are effectively destruction beyond description, and it may simply come down to who pulls the trigger first. This is a situation where the servants' personalities would likely come into play, as Gil is far less likely to take the fight seriously than either LArtoria. - Avenger Edmond Dantes This might be the most interesting one, because his abilities seem to counter Gil nicely. Attendre, Esperer would allow him to tank a few Gate of Babylon hits easily (and raise his parameters temporarily each time), and his Wisdom of Predicament skill would most certainly come into play against someone as dangerous as Gilgamesh. Most importantly however, Enfer Chateau d'If specifically allows him to "escape even abstract prisons such as time and space." The way that it is phrased makes it sound like it could remove him from existence temporarily, much like Avalon, to continue straight through Enuma Elish. Thanks for your time, and I hope you do a followup someday!
@zael7292
@zael7292 4 жыл бұрын
JaymicTheUnyielding Gil might not even be able to hurt quetz since she resists attacks from anybody that has a good alignment
@gypsysprite4824
@gypsysprite4824 4 жыл бұрын
wait, how and why would Gil have an alignment of good?
@mangoshake
@mangoshake 4 жыл бұрын
@@gypsysprite4824 dunno why, but Gil is actually Lawful Good lmao
@goldenbrigain7031
@goldenbrigain7031 4 жыл бұрын
@@mangoshake servant alignments are actually just how the servant themselves see themselves. that's why Ereshkigal is chaotic evil if I recall correctly. also, all of the above fights depend entirely on whether or not Gil's willing to use the all seeing star. Which notably also allows gil to see the true name and form of noble Phantasms and the ones from his gate at least after they've been released. which means in all timelines he 'accepts' the noble phantasms he releases he knows how they work. Even discounting the instant win strategy he'll get he'll also have a veritable arsenal of noble phantasms growing by the second even before the fight starts that he'll be able to do more with than just throw at the enemy.
@rasmussundin637
@rasmussundin637 3 жыл бұрын
@@gypsysprite4824 He wants people to prosper and enjoys seeing people struggle for greatness. That is why he is chaotic good. Caster gil is Lawful good for the same reasons.
@nuelheart5251
@nuelheart5251 5 жыл бұрын
The real reason why Abigail would fight Gil is because he ruined her pancakes.
@thetactician2787
@thetactician2787 5 жыл бұрын
Nuel Heart oh my gosh is this a thing?
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 5 жыл бұрын
he:"the fuck is happening"
@arkangel3610
@arkangel3610 5 жыл бұрын
Gate of Babylon process even Holy Grail,Which can grant wish,may be even immortality stuff can exist in gate of Babylon We do not know the list or extend of thing Gate of Babylon process. I want to say i thing, It is possible that gil can find some great thing in his gate of Babylon to use for all the hero or opponent who is against him, And win.
@ani-key2015
@ani-key2015 5 жыл бұрын
@@arkangel3610 No immortality stuff there just anti-magic armor and potion of youth =.=
@blastmako05
@blastmako05 5 жыл бұрын
He probably stole like forty pancakes or something...
@2ndlegend125
@2ndlegend125 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I'm surprised they didnt bring up more is the chains of heaven. Almost all of the servants on this list had fairly high divinity which means the fight would be over if Gil could wrap them in his chains. And the chains arent like Ea where Gil needs to really respect his opponents to use it since he uses it almost all the time.
@CodeyPro
@CodeyPro 3 жыл бұрын
Facts. Fuck these Abigail wankers/softcore pedos who think she can beat him if he's serious.
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah a majority would be beaten
@JohnShepherd117
@JohnShepherd117 2 жыл бұрын
Edmond Dantes: I have no such weakness
@mikesweat5957
@mikesweat5957 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair the chains still need to connect, main reason herc was caught is simply he kept charging head on with no tactic anyone with id say A agility maybe B could dodge the chains (of course that’s my opinion)
@2ndlegend125
@2ndlegend125 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikesweat5957 I dunno. From all I've seen the chains are really fast. I'd go as far to say that, in close range at least, they're faster than his "arrows".
@Pyron555
@Pyron555 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think Edmond vs Gil would be interesting as he can literally break space time with his agility, has an amazing strategic mind, and could likely end the fight before he gets Ea in his hand even.
@truekurayami
@truekurayami 4 жыл бұрын
Avenger of Shinjuki would be another interesting match up for similar reasons
@HoennAngel
@HoennAngel 4 жыл бұрын
I think Edmond genuinely wins 100% of the time. Gil would absolutely disregard him as a threat and launch GoB. Even if edmond does get hit, Attendre et Esperer activates - not only healing him but also BOOSTING ALL HIS STATS. With having seen how GoB works, the natural next step for Ed boy is to just Enfer Château D'If. Gils armour and divinity does jack-fucking-all when Ed burns him because the fire burns Gils soul. The fight is over before Ea even hits the board. Its no stretch to expect it to play out like this either because of Gils arrogance and Ed's battle cunning and intelligence.
@DumpTruckOfH
@DumpTruckOfH 4 жыл бұрын
finally someone
@DumpTruckOfH
@DumpTruckOfH 4 жыл бұрын
@@HoennAngel finally someone gets it
@enkidude9372
@enkidude9372 3 жыл бұрын
Edmond straight up murders Gilgamesh
@PyraXadon
@PyraXadon 5 жыл бұрын
"Made from a heavily condensed 3 hour version". 2.5 hour long video. Hmm...
@PeachDragon_
@PeachDragon_ 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was 3.5 hours so 2.3 is actually condensed
@tomascurti1753
@tomascurti1753 4 жыл бұрын
1:30:30 "Is there any route where Gil and Cu seriously fight?" Dude they literally fought for 12 straight hours in the Fate route
@someonewhosmashedtheirkeyb9595
@someonewhosmashedtheirkeyb9595 3 жыл бұрын
but then again gil never used enkidu against him until he decided to finish the fight
@tomascurti1753
@tomascurti1753 3 жыл бұрын
@@someonewhosmashedtheirkeyb9595 well yeah he didn't use Ea either. The fight was that long because protection from arrows + being one of the fastest servants = the anti-GoB-swordspam
@cookieccjowo219
@cookieccjowo219 5 жыл бұрын
Karna vs Gilgamesh - full out battle, no stops pulled, no stupid plot deus ex mach... that'd be an epic battle
@palerider4h66
@palerider4h66 5 жыл бұрын
Amelia Sama agreed that would actually be a pretty even fight going blow for blow the only thing I could say in Gil’s favor is chains of heaven as Karna is a demigod and Karna’s sense of honor However on Karna’s side I think his armor would allow him to tank probably quite a few projectiles from the gate and then there’s his final noble phantasm that would probably force Gil to use EA or he’ll just be poof gone Indeed a very interesting battle that could quite honestly go either way
@drboom4674
@drboom4674 3 жыл бұрын
@@palerider4h66 Karna's armor is unbreakable. In reality, if any weapons from earth, heaven and underworld was used against him, he was the only person in the world who could still stand without a dent. I don't know, why they didn't told anything about that. In reality, even gil was not even close enough to karna. I'm sure that didn't showed even 3% of the powers of karna legend in the anime. He had weapons which could end the universe in seconds. In anime the showed so weak that it can't be compared to real one.
@altaraeastral9288
@altaraeastral9288 3 жыл бұрын
@@drboom4674 well karna as a heroic spirit has a weaker np but can use it more than once (unlike the legend) so yeah he's weaker in the anime
@veshalan846
@veshalan846 3 жыл бұрын
@@drboom4674 legend wise lancer would be his worst class and archer and rider would be his best
@eldenlean5221
@eldenlean5221 3 жыл бұрын
@@drboom4674 can you list his abilities and his weapons my man? Im sure a lot of people want to know more about the real karna
@LackadaisicalYouth
@LackadaisicalYouth 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, you just need double merlin.
@MikuOlliet
@MikuOlliet 4 жыл бұрын
A single merlin, since Merlin is the new grand caster :^)
@AbdulMannan-jx1yc
@AbdulMannan-jx1yc 4 жыл бұрын
Single is enough
@anonyme4881
@anonyme4881 4 жыл бұрын
That's too much Garden of Avalon dude....
@enkidude9372
@enkidude9372 3 жыл бұрын
That’s the best answer
@ciridaehunter2601
@ciridaehunter2601 5 жыл бұрын
Gil versus Void Shiki is like Rorschach versus Doctor Manhattan
@PeachDragon_
@PeachDragon_ 5 жыл бұрын
Lol this is so accurate
@ciridaehunter2601
@ciridaehunter2601 5 жыл бұрын
Purity fbi It was literally my first thought seeing the matchup lol it’s even funnier because you can say that Ozymandias planned it all
@TheNightofWalpurgis666
@TheNightofWalpurgis666 5 жыл бұрын
Void: Ah you're supposed to be strongest hero right? Gil: I am. Void: *blinks* Not anymore. Gil: oh...
@arkangel3610
@arkangel3610 5 жыл бұрын
No body or Hero or superman who ever he is can not beat Gilgamesh If Gil Use His own Sword of Rupture Ea properly.
@crim3574
@crim3574 5 жыл бұрын
@@arkangel3610 Do you even know anything about void shiki?even if Gil goes 100% he can't beat her
@ZarelYddrasillIngway
@ZarelYddrasillIngway 5 жыл бұрын
Looking through the comments I’m actually surprised that Shuten Douji has been seemly forgotten. Especially considering Raikou was brought up for consideration versus Gil. Raikou has to cheap shot Shuten by putting her to sleep in order to get the job done. Lore wise, Ibaraki is supposed to be the strongest of the Oni of Mount Ooe and is wary of Tamamo to the point of being scared just thinking of her. This is because of Tamamo’s pedigree as one of Japan’s Great Monsters. Of which there are three. Apart from Tamamo, the only other member we have any information on is Shuten-Douji. It’s stated multiple times that Shuten far outclasses Ibaraki despite Ibaraki’s incredible strength. Shuten isn't afraid or even wary of Tamamo. Which in my opinion, says a lot. Looking at Shuten’s Parameters, we can see they are all quite high except for luck. STR/END/AGI/MANA/LCK/NP -> A/B/B/A+/D/B. By comparison to a servant like Berserker Heracles, Shuten comes only a tad behind in raw stats save for Mana which she actually beats him slightly at. This taking into account his Madness enhancement but not her Demonic Nature of Oni which I’ll get to real quick. Taking a look at her personal skills we can see that the three she has are all incredibly powerful. Alcoholic Scent of a Fruit (A) can make a target “dead drunk” from a mere sigh, tone of voice, or even a gaze. Those without magic resistance have thier thoughts melted in an instant. So if Gil isn't wearing his armor he theoretically would auto lose, where as if he is, it’s a matter of how long would the effects take to go into motion and whether or not he would notice what is happening. Demonic Nature of Oni (A) is said to be a combination skill composed of Natural Monster, Monstrous Strength, Charisma, Mana Burst, etc. As we don’t have the information on what “etc” would be, can only look at what the former mentioned skills can do at the same level. Natural Monster seems to grant STR and END. Monstrous Strength increases STR by a grade for an undermined period of time based on level. Charisma isn't really applicable here. Finally, Mana Burst can be used to increase one's Strength, Defense, and Speed based on it's level and how big of a mana pool a servant has to pull from. Comparatively speaking Altria, has the same rank in Mana Burst as Shuten does in her skill except Shuten has a bigger mana pool to pull from. Battle Continuation (A+) is a skill we are all familiar with so I wont go far into it. I will however, mention that Shuten's rank in this skill is above Berserker Heracles, only matched by Archer Heracles, and only outmatched by Grandpa Hassan. Finally, we have her two noble phantasms. Multitude of Colors - Providential Oni Poison (B) poisons the field and bestows negative statuses and erodes the body until only bones remain. It also gives her an awesome sword. Though, I can't imagine the negative effects of this noble phantasm would come into play. But speaking of bones, Bone Collector (B) is pretty scary. It's said to literally allow the user to de-bone an opponent without bloodshed. "The purpose of doing this isn't always to kill the opponent, but if she feels like doing it, this operates as a Noble Phantasm with an exceedingly high probability for instant death." Yikes. That being said, I'd say that this fight is majority in Gil's favor. Depending on how seriously he treats Shuten and whether he knows her true identity would shape how the fight would turn out. While Shuten is no Abby in appearing to be defenseless due to those horns, she's still a little girl and an expert at hiding her true power level and intentions. Honestly, I'd argue it would only take one hit from Shuten to kill Gil. The only question is if she can guile Gil into taking her lightly until it's too late.
@michaelmathis1906
@michaelmathis1906 4 жыл бұрын
Another thing to keep in mind regarding Shuten is that Assassin isn't her best class. According to Kintoki her best class, Berserker, is supposed to be absolutely terrifying, all the more so considering Oni aren't negatively affected by the Berserker class' usual drawbacks.
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 4 жыл бұрын
@@michaelmathis1906 Banana oni intensifies
@Razor1473
@Razor1473 2 ай бұрын
Brother, Shuten considers the KOTR to be monsters, she's Artoria fodder.
@thebakalord
@thebakalord 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact for Berserker Hercules: Illya sealed Madness Enhancement. She already knew the parameters of Hercules and decided to only unseal the Madness Enhancement as an emergency.
@Yohohoyohoh
@Yohohoyohoh 3 жыл бұрын
*After losing to a literal high-schooler harem protagonist* , _he should start getting serious right from the start_ It should've went: Shirou: _Karada wa tsurugi_ Gil: *Shut up, Enuma...!*
@kazekori9593
@kazekori9593 3 жыл бұрын
Gil with max limit broken kscope b like
@kingcrowbro2486
@kingcrowbro2486 5 жыл бұрын
So I'm noticing a trend where you guys are downplaying Gate of Babylon like it's not a big deal and I'm not okay with that. Gil, even when "not serious", constantly rains down dozens upon hundreds of potentially A and A+ tier Noble Phantasm, at absurd speeds. Unless your name is Karna, you aren't casually getting near him. "Getting close" is the part where 85% of Servants die.
@pwrserge83
@pwrserge83 5 жыл бұрын
Depends on the servant in question. Lancelot was able to dodge the weapons on solid ground and even grab them from mid-air. A servant with A rank agility should be able to doge their way to Gil if they can keep it up. Don't forget that some servants can flat-out cheat, like my example of Okita. She basically teleports right into Gil's face and shanks him in the throat.
@haidaran3983
@haidaran3983 5 жыл бұрын
pwrserge Lancelot only able to match Gil with 16 gates. More than that he cant match him Also, A AGI is not enough to get close to him. Remember that Heraclea has high agility which is an A rank.
@valenschristianyosua
@valenschristianyosua 5 жыл бұрын
@@haidaran3983 Don't forget what would've happened if Gil actually aim his weapons instead of chucking them out at the general direction of whoever he's facing,I mean we've seen him being able to shoot gob even from the back of his enemies (Heracles)
@itsyaboi7727
@itsyaboi7727 5 жыл бұрын
yeah but is it activated?
@fennec812
@fennec812 5 жыл бұрын
I’d defend these guys’ interpretation for three main reasons. The first is that, as they pointed out, a Japanese school boy canonically closed that gap. Granted, under very specific circumstances, but still if he can do it I see no reason why a servant with high Agility (w/ no divinity), a skill to tank hits, or another trump card couldn’t close the gap. Second, we say the Gate’s NPs are A(ish) ranked, but this has always seemed conceptually strange to me given the NP Parameter tends to describe the power of an item/ability. Yet, Gil uses them basically as mundane projectiles. Which, to me, unless he is using their individual attributes basically makes that NP parameter on the individual blades moot. Maybe they are sharper or something, but that rating doesn’t seem to have much bearing on the way Gil applies them. Which says a lot about his personality. Which is the third thing, Gil’s personality is rank D for douche. He is so arrogant that even when pressed he often doesn’t open up the full power of the Gate which often costs him and opens up opportunities for people who really should get minced (looking squarely at Shirou). In general, the longer a fight goes, the more Gil seems to apply GoB. If a Servant like Scathach, for example, went full boar from the get-go I’m not sure Gil would ever have the opportunity to use GoB at its fullest since he, 9/10 times, ramps up his usage of it as fights progress in canon. IMO, GoB on paper is devastating and I’d agree with you if Gil was a more articulate, cautious person who took close note of the weapons’ individual traits in his treasury. But he just isn’t that person.
@huh2340
@huh2340 5 жыл бұрын
I was tired yesterday due to all-nighters from college life, but I did yolo roll with one ticket I had left (Nerofest to blame for using all tickets). Karna came out when I can the sun coming out from the window. I think I used a sun as a catalyst to summon him.
@kiarasessyoin6260
@kiarasessyoin6260 5 жыл бұрын
HUH Praise the sun!
@oshogupta1
@oshogupta1 5 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂next time ill kill people to try to summon jack
@colleennewholy9026
@colleennewholy9026 5 жыл бұрын
I got Karna off of a single summoning ticket the moment I started playing. I was just sitting there like; "it's full noon, its sunny and my cat is purring". Apparently Karna now likes cats?
@Khaledayeva
@Khaledayeva 5 жыл бұрын
@@oshogupta1 lmao
@coranbaker6401
@coranbaker6401 5 жыл бұрын
@@oshogupta1 Make sure it's a woman! And just to be safe, you might want to cut her up too.
@iriiri7487
@iriiri7487 5 жыл бұрын
Saber Lily can murder him with her cuteness
@KayKay-ms4le
@KayKay-ms4le 3 жыл бұрын
Is it possible for a part 2 to ever be made? The Fate franchise got even MORE bigger compared to before with the appearance of multiple now quite capable servants.
@Aurirang
@Aurirang Жыл бұрын
Gilgamesh feels like mere midboss now, especiall with all the reality shattering beatss around and about. :D
@thomasjensen5028
@thomasjensen5028 5 жыл бұрын
The Karna discussion was funny cause I'd been one shotting Gil with Vasavi Shakti for the last three hours previous to watching this.
@Re.Alllll
@Re.Alllll 5 жыл бұрын
Time to get some peop-I mean popcorn. Time to get some popcorn.
@somethingwithultra7231
@somethingwithultra7231 5 жыл бұрын
Salty popcorn
@kizunechao279
@kizunechao279 5 жыл бұрын
Umm... hi? *nervous sweating*
@samsaraslight8377
@samsaraslight8377 5 жыл бұрын
Waiting for a user with the name euryale or stheno to comment on this post.
@parkermaisterra8532
@parkermaisterra8532 5 жыл бұрын
You know as hot as Gorgon is I honestly think at least a few guys would want to get eaten by her.
@casko748
@casko748 4 жыл бұрын
Does Gorgon count as Lamia when Composite Deity?
@xanaricherson2487
@xanaricherson2487 5 жыл бұрын
TIME CODES: 3:50 - Introduction to Gilgamesh 9:46 - EXCLUSIONS/NON-CONTENDERS 16:32 - Artoria Pendragon 20:30 - Enkidu 26:22 - Alcides ("Archer Heracles") 35:34 - Arjuna 43:54 - Karna 55:45 - Ozymandias 1:08:14 - Altera 1:17:50 - Scáthach 1:32:11 - Oda Nobunaga 1:43:10 - Minamoto no Raikou 1:52:08 - Jeanne d'Arc 2:00:01 - Abigail Williams 2:18:44 - All Servants w/ "Pioneer of the Stars" (Leonardo da Vinci; Nikola Tesla; Francis Drake; Napoleon Bonaparte) 2:24:40 - HONORABLE MENTIONS 2:33:08 - CLOSING THOUGHTS
@francescolombardi3438
@francescolombardi3438 5 жыл бұрын
i'd rather just read the description
@anadaere6861
@anadaere6861 4 жыл бұрын
For the cp users, it's a blessing
@Emiichoco
@Emiichoco 4 жыл бұрын
@@francescolombardi3438 ok
@Unholy_Brez
@Unholy_Brez 4 жыл бұрын
Karna vs Gilgemesh is all I wanna c forget plot, story, and main characters if I c that Fate becomes best anime of all time
@TheVoiceofSaintQuartz
@TheVoiceofSaintQuartz 5 жыл бұрын
As a side note, this is the first video/audio entirely edited by my new assistant editor, Azelyra. He is currently prostrating himself for somehow pasting Raikou's parameters onto Nobu's.
@BeyondDaX
@BeyondDaX 5 жыл бұрын
Also, I agree with you voice. Abigail can easily destroy Gil. The influences of Yogg cannot be taken so lightly
@ashbear3476
@ashbear3476 5 жыл бұрын
Ozy vs Gil would be who can trash talk the other more, rap battle style!
@fluffdafire157
@fluffdafire157 5 жыл бұрын
Voice I'm still not sure if herc was fighting all out against Gilgamesh in his beserker form
@rotciv557
@rotciv557 5 жыл бұрын
@@fluffdafire157 Herc vs. Gil would have been a much more fair match had Herc not been completely prioritizing keeping Ilya safe. Gil himself said that if Herc didn't focus on fighting instead of defending then he would lose.
@paulfrank5691
@paulfrank5691 5 жыл бұрын
rotciv557 he said that herc would stand a chance not that he would win
@rkbinder
@rkbinder 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of your points. The only thing is that it was mentioned that the reason Gil doesn't have Magic Resistance is because he doesn't need it as Gate of Babylon has anti-magic items in it quote "The state of his Magic Resistance matters little, as he is able to neutralize most magecraft with his many items that defend against it. His armor and a shield are able to repel A rank magecraft with ease." This is similar to Siegfried as the reason he doesn't have magic resistance is because of his invulnerability NP. This also includes defensive items like: -Auto-Defensor (自動防御, Jidō Bōgyo?) - A series of golden discs that floats in the air to intercept attacks coming within range, able to be set up so as to protect an entire floor of a building. At twenty meters, it automatically sends out an innumerable series of small lightning bolts to strike down the target. It is possible for attacks like the arrows shot by True Archer to slip through the defenses despite the great speed of the lightning. -A Mirror Shield used to effortlessly repel strong magecraft
@lpfan4491
@lpfan4491 5 жыл бұрын
he has a mirrorshield? now i want a zeldalike game with gil as the playable character
@yangtaolin3981
@yangtaolin3981 4 жыл бұрын
Have you ever seen Gil use a shield in his life? Not even against Excalibur
@user-ki8xd2wi3x
@user-ki8xd2wi3x 4 жыл бұрын
@@yangtaolin3981 Strange Fake and Prisma
@theworldisfuckedupatm3398
@theworldisfuckedupatm3398 5 жыл бұрын
When gil see King hassan coming to him Directed by Robert B.Wilde
@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080
@mynameisconnorimtheandroid6080 5 жыл бұрын
"video has been condensed from a 3 hour long video" 2:35:52 Nani?!
@Lazy-Sage
@Lazy-Sage 4 жыл бұрын
Keyword= condensed
@mainemiswari6029
@mainemiswari6029 5 жыл бұрын
Upon ones arrival are countless tools, Carved over a thousand blades, forming a pile of swords. This is the place where all paths cross, This is the place where all desires flow, This is the place where all deaths await. My whole life was for this SINGLE SWING! The heart of the blade is right here! Take This! This is my... TSUMUGARI MURAMASA!!!
@bleaky1292
@bleaky1292 4 жыл бұрын
Though I am not Jubei, the invincible sword master. Though I am not Hanzo, the great spymaster. Though I am not Abe-no-Seimei, like your so called Caster. Though I am nothing more than a sword smith, why was it that I was summoned? You could never figure it out, and so you have lost. I once sought to forge the ultimate blade. Not one that cuts through flesh, bone, or the living. I sought a blade that servers enmity... A blade that sever bonds, severs certainly, severs karma. That is to say, to be free of one’s fate. Uncountable years of toil to reach this place. Forging thousands of swords to create a barrow of blades. Many path converges here. Enduring desires, flow here. Unjust deaths, gathers here. My whole life has been for this single swing. The heart of the blade is here! Accept this blow from my Tsumukari Muramasa!!!
@PasokonGal
@PasokonGal 5 жыл бұрын
These types of discussions made me with you had a Fate/Nasuverse lore podcast.
@PasokonGal
@PasokonGal 5 жыл бұрын
IT'LL BE CALLED QUARTZCAST, DUH
@soarel325
@soarel325 5 жыл бұрын
Come to think of it, are there any Fate or TM related podcasts?
@axormin596
@axormin596 5 жыл бұрын
@@soarel325 there's Let's Talk FGO by Studiomega
@soarel325
@soarel325 5 жыл бұрын
Does it talk about anything other than FGO?
@axormin596
@axormin596 5 жыл бұрын
@@soarel325 they have a separate podcast on there channel that's about other stuff
@paydentaylor
@paydentaylor 5 жыл бұрын
35:04 “Archer Herc can go the distance” BOOOOOOO
@MRainy-ot7rc
@MRainy-ot7rc 3 жыл бұрын
He has the best chance of defeating gil without a doubt
@nhazulonalos4516
@nhazulonalos4516 2 жыл бұрын
Archer Herc has also an another np that can copy other servant np.
@iriiri7487
@iriiri7487 5 жыл бұрын
Pfft we all know that overworking is the one of the only things that can one shot him
@Castersvarog
@Castersvarog 5 жыл бұрын
Something about Alcides: he actually has no divinity. His master and the grail mud caused it to be removed and causing him to become who he is. Meaning he lost his biggest weakness he had as a berserker. His valor skill has been demoted to an E rank due to his corruption of the grail mud making him vulnerable to mental assaults. And finally he has one more noble phantasm, Reincarnation Pandora, which allows him to steal Noble Phantasms. This is why Alcides wanted Gilgamesh to use Ea, so he could steal it and possibly use it against him or at least prevent him from using it. Then we have Kings orders, the twelve labors manifested as a Noble Phantasm. We only know how 4 of them work in Fate, The Nemian pelt which grants immunity to all weapons made by man, however attacks like punches, slashes from claws or fire can harm Alcides. The Pelt will at worst have a few holes in it. The stymphalian birds can be summoned to attack and distract the opponent. The Goddess of war, the belt that belongs to the amazons and greatly increases the users Divinity, Strength, Endurance, Agility, and Mana parameters. Its strength however has a limit due to Mystery in modern society being weak. And finally we have Cerberus, the legendary divine beats who guards Hades, each breath it makes is poisonous and its fangs are incredibly sharp and can even act independently. But it has been weakened by Alcides lack of Hades' blessing and possibly his divinity. Edit: So we know what his fourth and Sixth labor manifest as, the fourth is effectively Guts but with a full heal, and the sixth is in fact the four Mares of Diomedes.
@SeanRey821
@SeanRey821 5 жыл бұрын
Can he steal Ea tho? In one of description of condition to use Ea is having inherited some sort rank of divinity(Which gil has it at it's max) and since you say alcides has no divinity he cant use it.
@PeachDragon_
@PeachDragon_ 5 жыл бұрын
Alcides is fucking kratos then?
@Castersvarog
@Castersvarog 5 жыл бұрын
Sean Reynard Because Fate Strange Fake is on pause that is something we don't know yet.
@Clockehwork
@Clockehwork 5 жыл бұрын
@@SeanRey821 The requirement to use Ea is to be Gilgamesh. It isn't about divinity, it is that there is only one person, period, who can use it. Most NPs can only be used by their respective Heroic Spirit, but Ea is unique in that "Gil only" is part of the effect ingrained in the NP itself, so even if it gets stolen, Alceides can't use it. BUT, by stealing Ea, he would also prevent Gil from using it, which is even more important. He would then lose, because he just stole Ea and that would piss Gil off like nothing else, but he'd deal a severe blow to Gil permanently.
@FurrySupportMain
@FurrySupportMain 5 жыл бұрын
one of the biggest reasons gil was weak to Alcides is that he has the nemeon lion skin which blocks all things created by mankind which are what all of gils weapons are besides EA which is creation of the world given form in sword
@weissschnee9172
@weissschnee9172 5 жыл бұрын
It needs to be noted that aside from Enkidu who can stalemate, Gil can only be beaten by a servant when arrogant, period. Parameters don't matter if they're not even capable of getting past the gate spam, which Heracles and Lancelot (in the original zero LN) were unable to do with A and A+ agility stats respectively. Note that the upper limits of how much GOB can fire at max capacity isn't seen anywhere but strange/fake. If Heracles and Lancelot can't even withstand lesser barrages, why are we assuming that other servants can do so on physical stats alone when these parameter juggernauts clearly failed? If one needs to see him at his best, they need to only see his strange/fake feats where he opens the gate this wide: imgur.com/a/UDmDkmC To counter this from Enkidu: imgur.com/a/q3WRW77 Resulting in this: imgur.com/a/DKEO15u In addition, a serious Gil will use Sha Naqba Imuru in conjunction with Gate to not only fire this rate of projectiles, but projectiles that counter whatever the hero is weak to based on his or her/myth. That means the anti divine weapons are coming out for Karna/Ozy, anti dragon ones for Artoria, etc. There are only 4 characters that have been shown to counter this barrage, Enkidu, Emiya, Artoria with Avalon and Alcides and they don't counter it with "parameters". Enkidu and Emiya have their own swordspam, Avalon is Avalon, and Alcides has the pelt of the Nemean Lion. We know Emiya can't win because a grail boosted version of him lost to an inferior Gil in Angelica. So yea, it's really just Enkidu, Avalon Artoria, and Alcides here. The whole out-tricking Gil isn't valid either because he's more likely to trick someone like Arjuna as opposed to the other way around due to Sha Naqba exceeding the capabilities of Clairvoyance C. Did we also just gloss over the fact that Enkidu nullifies Karna, Arjuna, Atilla, Ozy, Abigail, and Raikou as they are divine? What about the fact that Sha Naqba removes the "information" problem on Gil's side? Then there's Ea which when unrestrained in strange/fake was splitting the world apart, The only reason it didn't was because of Enkidu's own Enuma Elish. This might be enough to deal with Artoria? Would killing the planet and flying to another one (like in the ending of Extra/CCC) constitute as a win? Then there's the actual specific asspulls in the gate starting from the halfway point of this page: typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Gate_of_Babylon?li_source=LI&li_medium=wikia-footer-wiki-rec Anyone fancy faster than light space ships dropping nukes all around? How about this? typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Shield_of_the_Gods This can shield Gil from anything that's not at least A++. Lastly, because of how the Gate Works, it has a prototype of everything humans ever invented and will ever invent in the past/present/future in actual history, any myth ,or legend. It's a walking plot device beyond the ability to sword spam and what has already been shown to be inside of it.
@thelostone2694
@thelostone2694 5 жыл бұрын
I love this comment, it needs more likes and also I just wanted to mention that Gil's future/ancient Indian boat (from fare/zero) allows him to travel at the speed of thoughts so he can be as speedy as he wants to even faster that light.
@basilofgoodwishes4138
@basilofgoodwishes4138 5 жыл бұрын
LOL Jesus would still stomp him.
@ohmeh8569
@ohmeh8569 5 жыл бұрын
Very well thought out! Though there is one noticable problem with it comes to your Artoria argument. It's that in fact Anti-World NPs like Ea can't actually destroy the Earth. As stated by Da Vinci in F/GO "To begin with, even if you release the full power of a Top Servant's Noble Phantasm, it still can't completely destroy the planet. Anti-Planetary Noble Phantasm...even if such a thing existed... According to calculations, it's still not possible to destroy this planet." (Fate/Grand Order - Shinjuku, Epic of Remnant)
@weissschnee9172
@weissschnee9172 5 жыл бұрын
Sure, if you want to get technical Ea kills "The World" instead, in that it peels off the layer of the planet inhabitable by humans AKA, the World. Practically, it makes little difference in a fight between servants.
@ohmeh8569
@ohmeh8569 5 жыл бұрын
I guess but that better said. She could just invoke Avalon and just stay like that(If I remember correctly. They never really stated how long she could keep Avalon up.) But that not only be a very unfun, but also a pretty boring way to stalemate. Granted even if He could/tired. There is little to no doubt that the Counter Force would intervene.
@jacobfrye7647
@jacobfrye7647 5 жыл бұрын
Gil beating Yogo Sloth? The fact that this is a consideration is hilarious
@dikastederook6380
@dikastederook6380 3 жыл бұрын
I mean, if he uses Ea to its full power, yes he could.
@clarent715
@clarent715 3 жыл бұрын
@@dikastederook6380 Yog one-shots the fodder once known as Gilgamesh.
@dikastederook6380
@dikastederook6380 3 жыл бұрын
@@clarent715 To be fair, Yog would one shot most of fiction in general.
@master-d2776
@master-d2776 2 жыл бұрын
@@dikastederook6380 bruh nope
@justinthompson6364
@justinthompson6364 5 жыл бұрын
I love how when it seems like Gil is going to win words like "Unfortunately" start creeping into the conversation.
@monke4163
@monke4163 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@fennec812
@fennec812 5 жыл бұрын
I loved the presentation of this. I’ve always enjoyed this sort of discussion, but the nebulous nature of Nasuverse lore makes many forums/threads feel like they degenerate into a “who has more useless nerd knowledge” contest rather than a celebration of this fictional concept is cool, and even if it has a low possibility of happening within the established rules, lets explore it anyway - because it’s cool. A lot more channels are making the lore available w/o having to hit the lexicon that is the wiki or getting a copy of “materials” works. I think that’s pretty freakin’ great.
@1i1b00ki3
@1i1b00ki3 5 жыл бұрын
The gist of this Argument: Will Gil use Ea??!!
@danielmezei8472
@danielmezei8472 3 жыл бұрын
I know i'm late with this but Edmond Dantès is a strong guess in my opinion he isn't a grand servant as far as i know lore wise he is incredibly strong and he has tools to outplay EA his noble phantasm and skills are all multitools. I think that he has a really good chance of beating gil
@iantaylor9664
@iantaylor9664 4 жыл бұрын
So basically Nobu vs. Gil could play out like Squirrel Girl vs. The World in the Marvel comics, where she beats Thanos offscreen as an offhanded gag, except it actually makes sense in-universe.
@erikadasilva507
@erikadasilva507 5 жыл бұрын
Arthuria with Avalon, Emiya with Unlimited Blade Works, Sakura's Misterious Shadow.
@ASBA1991
@ASBA1991 5 жыл бұрын
Pfft, Gudako can beat Gil's ass by burning him for prisms... ...in an accidental manner of course, as she is actually trying to only burn Medb after failing to get Illya. (Not a personal experience btw. Well, not with a five star at least)
@ilmanhaqimi24
@ilmanhaqimi24 5 жыл бұрын
That is oddly specific.
@RandomBeardGuy
@RandomBeardGuy 5 жыл бұрын
Oh man why do i feel something bad has happened to Gil...
@Tsuna_SoulSilver
@Tsuna_SoulSilver 5 жыл бұрын
I felt you've experienced this first hand.
@soarel325
@soarel325 5 жыл бұрын
>trying to burn Medb How fucking dare you
@HelplessFangirl
@HelplessFangirl 5 жыл бұрын
Gudako: By my command seals, I order Gil to-- Gilgamesh: Bitch, I'm above those. Gudako: ... Gil: ... Gudako: *brings out the lighter and Gil's card* Gil: MONGREL NO
@SynysterFiction
@SynysterFiction 3 жыл бұрын
Cu and Gil have met, and they don't care for each other. Serious personality clash. In the Fate route Cu stalls Gil for half a day in the basement of Kotomine Church after letting Shirou and Rin go because he wouldn't follow the order to kill them. Cu can't get in close enough, nor was there an opportunity to really strike back at him, trying to use Gae Bolg would mean standing still so he couldn't do much except dodge. At the end of those 12 hours Gil finally gets it that he can't pin Cu down with the Gate because of Protection of Arrows, so Chains it is due to Cu's divinity. Cu dies at the end of Fergus' sword, Caladbolg, that Gil pulled out of the Gate.
@erosenseiamvs1289
@erosenseiamvs1289 3 жыл бұрын
Dude these Guys didn't know shit like they actually said Gil has No sheilds in his armoury
@thesmashor4396
@thesmashor4396 3 жыл бұрын
I want someone to animate Gilgamesh calling the gods after he misses with Ea.
@JaySantanaofficial
@JaySantanaofficial 2 жыл бұрын
U gonna have to pay em
@arturiapendragon8797
@arturiapendragon8797 5 жыл бұрын
Its was pretty interesting to hear about all these that can beat Gilgamesh! Also congrats in finding your new editor
@MasterChiefCOOLMCC
@MasterChiefCOOLMCC 5 жыл бұрын
BONJORNO MIJA~!
@arturiapendragon8797
@arturiapendragon8797 5 жыл бұрын
@@MasterChiefCOOLMCC Hola señor
@MasterChiefCOOLMCC
@MasterChiefCOOLMCC 5 жыл бұрын
@@arturiapendragon8797 Come estas
@ChrisMorray
@ChrisMorray 5 жыл бұрын
The thing I like about Gil is that in almost all of his lost battles he lost because he was being cocky and refusing to use Ea.
@TheSlayerking666
@TheSlayerking666 4 жыл бұрын
For the most part you are right but artoria still tank 3 blast from ea
@uteriel282
@uteriel282 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheSlayerking666 but opposite of what was said in the vid artoria cant move or attack when using avalon as a shield so any battle between arturia and gil that involves avalon becomes an automatic draw as neither can kill the other. but without avalon arturia has nothing to defend against gils attacks either and he can just 360 gob spam her to death without giving her the chance to get close.
@alam71us
@alam71us 4 жыл бұрын
ChrisMorray which is exactly why I like him because his cockyness makes weaker servants stand toe to toe on him otherwise Gil would have been a Gary Stu
@seankrkovich2869
@seankrkovich2869 3 жыл бұрын
Or any of his other broken nonsense. Like pulling out counters and bothering to avoid his death after he sees it.
@lucasmorandini7566
@lucasmorandini7566 3 жыл бұрын
@@uteriel282 This is incorrect. Arturia can indeed move freely while using Avalon; in the fate route she goes through EA while charging an excaliblast with no issues and in Garden of Avalon we see various retellings of Artoria fighting while having Avalon activated.
@kokkorohime9525
@kokkorohime9525 5 жыл бұрын
another thing to add for Abby it may not be much, but, she is one of the few servant who doesn't have the trait "weak to Enuma Elish"
@souvikbose8583
@souvikbose8583 4 жыл бұрын
that's just a gameplay mechanic...just like vasavi shakti doing more damage to divine servants when according to the lore it gets the anti divine trait only because its so op that it can kill a god because of raw power
@Zero-fx8pc
@Zero-fx8pc 2 жыл бұрын
It is a gameplay mechanic for a reason, like how Bryn would damage people she would love and that trait only applies to heroic servants she considers worthy. All other foreigners are weak to Enuma Elish except for Abby so there must be a reason for that exception.
@KigaiOkasu
@KigaiOkasu 5 жыл бұрын
I think Edmond Dantes might actually stand a chance at beating Gilgamesh. From a parameter standpoint, he matches Gilgamesh's strength, agility, and mana while beating him in endurance, though his luck is literally questionable. However, his first Noble Phantasm, Monte Cristo Mythology, bolsters all of his physical parameters while using magic for attacks and concealing his class and stats. Given his low magic resistance, this would put Gilgamesh at a disadvantage in close quarters and might even through off his clairvoyance skill. Dantes's second Noble Phantasm, Enfer Chateau d'If, lets him move so fast that he can create speed clones of himself for simultaneous attacks. In F/GO, the description also says that some might even say he could stop time. In other words, it could be possible for him to counter the Gate of Babylon by creating a speed clone for every portal Gilgamesh opens up, and then Dantes could just zoom in and blast Gil in the face before he could even say Enuma Elish.
@joelpasjojo2787
@joelpasjojo2787 4 жыл бұрын
+1, good deduction After it's difficult to know the truth power of the Count, he is not very "popular" in the Fate series
@erosenseiamvs1289
@erosenseiamvs1289 3 жыл бұрын
I think your putting to much stock in Stats, Stats In Fate usually Don't nean sqwat but as a general indication of Strength for example Sasaki Kojiro had an Agility Stat of A but Emyia with a D or C rank Agility stat(Cant Remember exactly) Was Able to Match Him it's the Same thing with Herc and Gil during UBW Herc had am A-Rank Agi stat Gil had a C Rank Agi Stat if stats Mattered all that much even with G.O.B he should've been Blitzed but he Wasn't even in his Fights with Enkidu, He has and A-Rank Agi stat while he had a C-Rank Agi stat but Enkidu never Blitzed Gil so this whole thing of putting stock in Stat Parameters is iffy Also even if Dantes Concealed His Class and Parameters Shabq Naq imuru would still allow Gil to Grasp his Power level And once he does he Gets serious and If he's Serious Dantes isn't gonna Beat him
@argly2768
@argly2768 3 жыл бұрын
Wait the count of monte cristo is in fate?
@eldenlean5221
@eldenlean5221 3 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the count can literally burn gils soul.
@eldenlean5221
@eldenlean5221 3 жыл бұрын
@@erosenseiamvs1289 the stats are pretty inconsistent true, but most top tier servants have gilgamesh beat in hand to hand combat(agility, strenght, skill). If shirou can beat him hand to hand hes completely fucked against most servants. And when it comes to enkidu it never really gets to close quarters. Enkidu spams his clay weapons and gil spams his staffs until they both run out of shit to throw. Gil is extremely fast in the sense that he can open up portals that throw shit instantly, but his actual physical speed is not really good. Its pretty mediocre tbh.
@rotciv557
@rotciv557 5 жыл бұрын
Other Servants that could [potentially] stand up to Gilgamesh would be Dantes, Merlin, Romulus and Siegfried. I'd put in Thor, Shuten and Proto Arthur as well but we either A: Dont have enough info on them to make a really good guess. B: Dont know what their capabilities are in other, stronger classes and thus cant make an informed decision or C: Probably dont count because you could argue they have the same capabilities as Arturia, respectively. I would also like to see a discussion on whether or not First Folio would beat Gil or not. After all, First Folio hits mentally sound targets even harder than those who are more hung up on their own personal tragedies. Willy Shakes might just be able to do the same thing Abigail does but without needing access to an Eldritch God to do so.
@Limon517
@Limon517 5 жыл бұрын
How would Siegfried?
@ProvShadow
@ProvShadow 5 жыл бұрын
I bet that Gil's ego will make him endure to FF's trolling. He deal with his past as told in CCC.
@Azrael_Shade
@Azrael_Shade 5 жыл бұрын
How would the OG Old Man of The Mountain hold up against Gil? That I'm curious about. Ozymandias too.
@rotciv557
@rotciv557 5 жыл бұрын
@@ProvShadow CCC Gil is not Archer Gil. THAT Gil is closer to Casgil in terms of personality and stature. Remember that this discussion involves Archer Gil given that they are using his arrogance as one of his weakness, as Caster Gil has already grown out of most of it. "The probability of being drowned and trapped within this Noble Phantasm is greater the more someone is confident of their physical strength. The only ones who can overcome this Noble Phantasm are those who can declare that they have not a single dirty stain on their lives. There are very few who can believe in something and have no regrets at all. If it's someone who can directly confront the trauma they hold, they might be able to somehow manage to overturn Shakespeare's piercing words." Depending on what one's definition of "Physical Strength" is, Archer Gil could get hit incredibly hard by it and leave him, if it were just the sins that he did in life then I could actually believe that Gil could power through it easily through sheer arrogance, but if it includes any of the problems involving Enkidu and his death...Gil could potentially be left in the same state of mind he was in after losing him, which was halfway insane out of grief and fear.
@rotciv557
@rotciv557 5 жыл бұрын
@@Azrael_Shade They already said that King Hassan would destroy Gil due to being Grand Assassin, and they already talked about Gil vs. Oz in the video. Did you not watch it all the way?
@strangehistorian6411
@strangehistorian6411 4 жыл бұрын
My thing with Gil is that, yeah he's the strongest hero, anti-world Noble Phantasm, etc, etc, but he so chronically underestimates opponents and is so goddamn arrogant that when you ask me, "Who can best Gil in a fight?", my answer is invariably, "If a fully human, ordinary, teenage Shirou Emiya can beat Gilgamesh, then basically anyone can beat Gilgamesh in the right circumstances."
@truekurayami
@truekurayami 4 жыл бұрын
Which actually makes me want to see Archer Gil vs. Caster Gil, they both should still technically have Ea so that throws that out as a deciding faster besides who pulls it out first, and Caster is a lot less blind in his arragence over a serious fight, by constantly planning and checking those plans with Clairvoyance instead of completely dismissing "unfavorable" futures.
@jeremiahbriney4899
@jeremiahbriney4899 4 жыл бұрын
@@5chneemensch138 in the original fate night he fought saber with a sword casually
@zeromaniac5210
@zeromaniac5210 4 жыл бұрын
Gilgamesh in the anime was borderline retarded making stupid mistakes and falling for shit we saw him handle easily minutes before. Shiro had the thickest plot armor on in that fight. It was so good thay it made gil forgot about his own armor.
@justpepe253
@justpepe253 4 жыл бұрын
"If a fully human ordinary, teenage Shirou" Lul Shirou was anything but ordinary at that point. Anyone who can use a reality fucking marble is already a top tier in terms of ability.
@zeromaniac5210
@zeromaniac5210 4 жыл бұрын
@@Mythos66 well, he is wrong. But the actual fight was how can a rock beat a mountain.
@RobertoBlake
@RobertoBlake 4 жыл бұрын
Altera Could Create something that can counter EA actually
@eliasmagus5086
@eliasmagus5086 3 жыл бұрын
how
@dvdWATER6308
@dvdWATER6308 3 жыл бұрын
@@idoi4228 sakura shadow
@blackchase6732
@blackchase6732 3 жыл бұрын
@@idoi4228 full powered excalibur with avalon laughs at that
@blackchase6732
@blackchase6732 3 жыл бұрын
@@idoi4228 no you dont know what your talking about
@rafaelbastos8713
@rafaelbastos8713 3 жыл бұрын
@@blackchase6732 Isn't Excalibur full of seals to prevent its own power? Never played much of Fate/Extra stuff, but i remember finding somewhere in the Net that Exca was used to protecc the "Earth" from an invader, back on the Age of Gods.
@de_sterrennacht
@de_sterrennacht 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like Sherlock Holmes would stand a chance cause his np is literally finding the enemies weakness no matter what, even if they're unbeatable (says so in his bio in fgo)
@doorbladder5735
@doorbladder5735 5 жыл бұрын
Such is the power of the great detective who goes by the name of "No Shit"
@connormccarthy6741
@connormccarthy6741 5 жыл бұрын
Minh Ngo Yeah but, there’s a difference between finding a weakness and being able to exploit it. I don’t think ordinary detective Sherlock Holmes would be able to keep up with Gilgamesh, even with his weakness known
@deathstar6998
@deathstar6998 4 жыл бұрын
@@connormccarthy6741 True but his ruler class can give him an advantage in helping other servants do so imagine finding gils weakness and using spam command seals to empower them while restricting him.
@JaySantanaofficial
@JaySantanaofficial 2 жыл бұрын
Holmes weakness is toothpaste tho and soap
@RemnantZX
@RemnantZX 5 жыл бұрын
"... Archer Herc can go the distance..." I was SO mad when I heard that lmao.
@momopenguins7335
@momopenguins7335 4 жыл бұрын
But why tho?
@francescolombardi3438
@francescolombardi3438 4 жыл бұрын
Heracles: my arm my arm my arm my arm my arm MY ARM CAN SUMMON UP THE POWER OF THE GOD HAND!
@momopenguins7335
@momopenguins7335 4 жыл бұрын
@ momo penguins wait it was the ubw thing where he barely failed, I think I get it now
@mikeching6374
@mikeching6374 5 жыл бұрын
"Gilgamesh Vs ZA WARUDO"?
@alphariusomegon8507
@alphariusomegon8507 5 жыл бұрын
Didn't you listen?! His Np EA is anti-ZA WARDU!
@mikeching6374
@mikeching6374 5 жыл бұрын
...Time must have stopped for 9 seconds when that one went by...
@darksaint0124
@darksaint0124 4 жыл бұрын
Well, Za Warudo has a champion named Archetype:Earth
@seandowney2338
@seandowney2338 3 жыл бұрын
They way everything is described, Ozy and Gil would meet, fight, have a blast fighting each other, but then Gil would be like: Alright, you're pretty cool, but we ARE enemies, so Imma just whip it right quick out and kill you, but let's go drinking after all this is done.
@apiwutintongkam3149
@apiwutintongkam3149 3 жыл бұрын
Broke: Gil could beat any servant if he tried Woke: Mata Hari could beat Gil if she tried
@RobbyCarmine
@RobbyCarmine 5 жыл бұрын
Two notes to Scathach: As usually Gils main win condition is listead as hitting with Ea, but you even mentioned it later yourself, shes immortal. That might be worth discussion in itself what holds up here. Also, against Cu Alter, it wasnt just his new NP. He also had the god damn grail. I dont think thats representative
@ProvShadow
@ProvShadow 5 жыл бұрын
I can't remember. Can Scathach as normal servant die?
@RobbyCarmine
@RobbyCarmine 5 жыл бұрын
No. even her basic servant form (specifically stated that her regular servant saint graph isnt actually her peak potential, even though its already super strong) cant die
@MrAzulmagia
@MrAzulmagia 5 жыл бұрын
EA doesn't exactly kills you phisicaly. I don't think it even matters how inmortal one is or how much protection one has by divine decree, touching the root is an inmidiate desintegration from existance, anything below the absolute imaginary concept of perfection that is Avalon would not withstand EA. Is like the one punch man, ridicule simple, yet almighty. I don't even know what would happen if EA touched the Gate of Sky, but they would be consecuenses that will affect future uses of that NP.
@ProvShadow
@ProvShadow 5 жыл бұрын
I think Ea still doesn't show it can kick someone back to the root. For now it attacks with above Excalibur's A++ firepower, cuts dimension and shreds everything on the cut part of dimension, then the unstable dimension is a place where everything will get minched. Gil likely won't rips dimesion outside a fake world tho.
@VelhoTeste
@VelhoTeste 5 жыл бұрын
The question is, how powerful os scathach immortality, really? If i'm not mistaken in America Cu Alter destroys 90% of her organs with his NP, forcing her to retreat to the land of shadows. Bear in mind she was basically knocked out until the end of the singularity. So maybe even her immortality has a limity.
@AmbivalentRay
@AmbivalentRay 5 жыл бұрын
A little addendum, the UBW anime liked making things flashy and dragged out the fight with Shirou and Gil. In the source material, Gil wasn’t even able to fire a weapon out of the GoB before it got countered and didn’t even hesitate when pulling out EA.
@Lucaintheninjatank
@Lucaintheninjatank 5 жыл бұрын
Shirou also straight up killed Gil in the VN meaning there wasn't that thing where Gil looked at a fallen Shirou and praised him. Also of note there was a similar fight between a Shirou and a different character who had Gil's abilities and they beat Shirou because they could displace space, meaning Shirou couldn't keep the pressure on in close combat and they could easily pull EA out without risk.
@valenschristianyosua
@valenschristianyosua 5 жыл бұрын
@@Lucaintheninjatank That's angelica. And shirou has also said that if Gilgamesh took that fight even a tad bit seriously he'd stand no chance against him.
@Lucaintheninjatank
@Lucaintheninjatank 5 жыл бұрын
Yes if Gil took the fight seriously at the start Shirou would be killed instantly however once UBW is deployed and Shirou is in close combat Gil can't really do anything, the whole point of the fight was Gil wouldn't take Shirou seriously at the beginning and once he did start fighting seriously it would be too late for him.
@ProvShadow
@ProvShadow 5 жыл бұрын
Lucian Wreath Shirou didn't kill Gil yet in VN. He thinks he should be able to if his K&B landed before the grail sucked Gil in. Might be 50-50 since he couldn't in UFOtable adaption.
@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892
@myspacebarbrokenevermindif9892 5 жыл бұрын
NNin UFO canon is different.
@jonfitzpatrick9942
@jonfitzpatrick9942 2 жыл бұрын
Gil is KZfaq in a being. The more clout you have, the more untouchable you become. I love his character. He's the kind of dude who'd punch out a hooker, laugh about it, and you'd find yourself wanting to laugh with him.
@pilotmanpaul
@pilotmanpaul 4 жыл бұрын
King Hassan removed his Grand status in Babylonia to be able to help us. So he duked a Deity with a normal Saint Graph.
@truekurayami
@truekurayami 4 жыл бұрын
And that proves how broken a Grand Servant can be. So imagine how Powerful Dr. Roman was when he was still fully Solomon in the war that got him his wish to be incarnated as a normal human.
@th3stainedrose
@th3stainedrose 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think that's entirely true, it's said Hassan used "the last vestiges" Of his powers as a grand. This leads me to believe during all of the final battle he was still technically a grand especially since he literally dropped the concept of death on said God. I don't think he's capable of that in a normal saint graph
@garett2813
@garett2813 5 жыл бұрын
That's Hell you're walking into... Ok, a few (read: a lot) notes: Gilgamesh: - Ea doesn't reveal the Root, lol, it reveals the primordial state of Earth before creation, which is basically a ball of gas, - Golden Rule slightly strengthens Servant's Noble Phantasm based on how much money he has. Of course, in Gil's case it doesn't matter, because he always has his entire treasury in GoB. Alcides: - Herc as Alcides has no Divinity, so Enkidu doesn't work, - He has Reincarnation Pandora, which allows him to steal Noble Phantasms. He wanted to use it on Ea, but Hippolyta punched him out of battlefield. Karna: - Vasavi Shakti was recently retconned in Link, now he can spam it if he has enough mana to regenerate his skin/armor, - Karna actually curbstomped Gil in their first fight in CCC. Shishou: - She terribly jobbed to Cu in Link, so I doubt if she has better chance than her pupil, - Cu stalled Gil for 12h in Fate route. Nobu: - Her RM is based on fire, so if you have some sort of fire resistance, you should be fine (for example, Karna, despite being super divine, should be fine because he's completely immune to fire due). So, now it depends if Gil knows about her ability. If yes, then he'll just use GoB ex Machina and pull some sort of fire defence out of his ass. Raikou: - her Saber form is scary not because of her strenght, but because she's completely merciless in that form. Abby: - Actually, it is revealed in her interlude, that Chaldea!Abby is an actual Heroic Spirit Abby, who exists even without being fussed with Yog, but she has power of the Outer Gods because Salem!Abby is influencing her, - Chaldea!Abby is super limited compared to Salem!Abby, - In Salem Singularity we've defeated Abby only because Nezha, Circe and Sheba severed her connection with Yog. The thing is, they needed to do it **from the other side**. So yeah, apparently if you're not entirely human, you'll not went instantly insane when seeing the Outer God. Pioneers of the Star: - We know from Drake's second interlude that PotS allows you to do basically anything as long as you have enough resources, - Napeolon actually has similar chance to Da Vinci and Tesla, maybe even better. That fucker is basically Kamina - tanked a blow from Surtr and then destroyed his sword with his cannon powered by "the hopes of humanity". Who should be mentioned: - Dantes: fast enough to break from time-space? For me he has a fairly good chance just because of that, - BB: Not even Summer BB, just normal BB. In CCC Gil needed to acquire a special Mythological Mystic Code to fight her. Also, Gil himself compared Foreigners' powers to BB, - Iskandar: It is stated in an interview that he could have a way better chance against Gil if he didn't lost his chariot to Artoria, - Sigurd: stated to be a Heroic Spirit on Herc/Karna level. - Karl aka old!Charlemagne: because beating Gil is exactly what he did in Link.
@SuperAmaton
@SuperAmaton 5 жыл бұрын
Alcides: As for how i understood it, he wanted to have Gil pull it out in order to steal it. I don't think it works without Ea actually being involved on the battlefield. Karna: CCC as in the non-translated-game? Shisou: She is sometimes overrated, but i don't think so here. Also, Cu had the Grail with him there, that's the reason in my view why she lost. Pioneers of the Star: I think they all have a good change, like 10%, but out of all of them, i mostly see Napolon winning. Dantes: Had the same thought. I am only wondering if he has enough firepower to do it. BB: Yeah, most tend to forget, but BB had the powers of several mayjor goddeses, including freaking Tiamat. Iskander: A better change, yeah. Won? No. One barrage and that think is powder, just like anything else. Sigurd: I like the dude since he is the first one to have glasses, but sadly i don't know enough from the lore in the game if he could defeat Gil. He seems to be really intellegent and have enormous power with Dragonkind Modification EX. He has basically enough of everything to fight any opponent, but he's too "unfocused" with his "skillset" to fight Gil.
@garett2813
@garett2813 5 жыл бұрын
> Alcides: As for how i understood it, he wanted to have Gil pull it out in order to steal it. I don't think it works without Ea actually being involved on the battlefield. Yeah, that's why he wanted to force Gil to use Ea. > Karna: CCC as in the non-translated-game? Yep (though, Gil's route is entirely translated since march 2017) > Shisou: She is sometimes overrated, but i don't think so here. Also, Cu had the Grail with him there, that's the reason in my view why she lost. I was talking about Extella Link, not Murica Singularity. Cu had a duel with her and won.
@shutup1037
@shutup1037 5 жыл бұрын
Gil has Vimana that can travel at the speed of light if it used utilized fully. Dantes wank but still dead I thought Sigurd is on Siegfried level? I think if he is really on one of strongest servants that you can summon then it's pretty cool.
@SuperAmaton
@SuperAmaton 5 жыл бұрын
@@garett2813 You got info about Extella Link? Where? Can you give me a link? Is there some sort off Fan-Translation underway?
@SuperAmaton
@SuperAmaton 5 жыл бұрын
@@shutup1037 No idea if they're both on the same level, they are very diffrent. In terms of parameters, Sigurd is stronger and, in my view, has better skills. In terms of Noble Phantasms however, i don't think so. Siegfrieds Blood-Armor is no joke, even against high-servants like Karna or Arjuna. I'd go with Sigurd, because he has glasses. Just like i do.
@altera4232
@altera4232 5 жыл бұрын
Ayyy now this is a nice treat! Thank you my sweet rainbow apple. I hope school is going well for you!
@notsae66
@notsae66 4 жыл бұрын
If I could have one servant of each main type, I'd have seven Gilgameshes. On a less joking note, can people move through the Gates of Babylon? If not (or even if so), Gilgamesh could likely litterally surround someone with a bubble of gates and just fire so many blades (especially blades that are especially suited to killing his target given his ability to know the best descion in combat (though he usually ignores it)) simultaneously that they can't be dodged. Gil probably wouldn't do that, but he _could_ and if he does, I'm not sure anyone could beat that. You guys really downplayed all the shit he can do with the Gates; he has _better_ versions of almost everything that has ever existed. For instance, with Abigail, Gilgamesh himself has no magical resistance, but I guarantee he has a shit load of artifacts in there that can boost it to ludicrous levels (you did mention the possibility of him pulling out some bullshit here, which he totally could but it's also totally possible her shit could blast through that... maybe, without knowing the full depth of his wealth, it's night impossible to say). The Gates can counter nigh on anything he comes across that he doesn't already have an easy way to win. While we've rarely seen it done, it is stated repeatedly that he has counters for basically everything, he just chooses not to use them. With Scáthach, he can fire a better version of Gae Bolg right back at her (probably just for shits and giggles rather than anything real, but he _can_ match anything she throws at him with something better) and so on. While he is rarely shown actually doing so, he does have the capability to throw millions of _activated_ or even _broken_ Noble Phantasms that are stronger than the version actually wielded by the heros that made them famous. As shown by him summoning wine and his space ship, he has far more than just weapons in the Gates; while it is never shown (primarily due to his arrogance), he definitely has defensive Phantasms (or neutral Phantasms but that's not wholly relevant) in his Treasury that he could use for defence and perfect counters to basically everyone. I'm not saying he _would_ use such things (and thusly win), his arrogance gets in the way as clearly evidenced by his rarely doing so before; I'm just saying he _could_ and if he did, he would win most of these. You also seemed to underestimate his clairvoyance; no matter how well you try to hide rhings from him, he can immeadiatly tell and it also tells him detailed information about their abilities and Noble Phantasms (so he would know immeadiatly everything about Abigail for instance) and it guides him on the optimal choices to achieve his ends (not that he always takes them, he is highly arrogant). Given we have no true idea the true depths of crazy bullshit he _might_ have access to, we really can't say definitively what he can and can't do. His personality definitely holds him back though and without him actually pulling out what he needs and putting his crazy knowledge powers to full use (which, if he did, he'd almost certainly win every fight) him losing is a solid possibility. I'm not saying he would definitely win, mostly due to his personality, but he _could._
@firephoenix8192
@firephoenix8192 4 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this lmao. Like seriously,I have many opinions on this whole discussion
@alam71us
@alam71us 4 жыл бұрын
notsae66 how can Gil have a human made weapon to counter Abigail if abigails Np is something that humans cannot perceive
@miguelsanchezamor3498
@miguelsanchezamor3498 2 жыл бұрын
@@alam71us easily, humans cannot go faster that the speed of light that is a fact, and yet in CCC he has a space ship that can moves faster that the speed of light, why? Because GoB not only contains things crated during gil life's it also contains things made by humans in the future, so an advance enough human race may have make contact or may have discovered there existence, may have build a device that can protect against it
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 2 жыл бұрын
Gil has low resistance because he has items in his gate that grant him high resistance
@L10n36
@L10n36 Жыл бұрын
​@@alam71us Gilgamesh has all treasures from all sources not only human, he has items of divine origin (divine weapons in general including divine constructs), he has items from fairies, demons, dragons, other phantasmal species and etc, fate strange fake claims this, and even if it didn't, there's nowhere that states that it's only human creations, where people get this false information from?
@mangamanzx
@mangamanzx 5 жыл бұрын
Been a while since I watched this but I feel that Gil's "see everything about a servant would then make him see Abby's Yog Sathoth" thing and then because its said that if a person sees an outer gods true form (which Gil's skill would of course let him see using it on Abby) goes mad from the revelation... Gil would defeat himself by looking upon something he can't conceptualize.
@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox
@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox 3 жыл бұрын
Gil isn't a person though, he's 3/4ths god. So he probably wouldn't go crazy. Plus let's not forget that Caster turned himself into a similar Eldritch Abomination in Fate: Zero and Gil didn't seem overly impressed, just mildly disgusted.
@eldenlean5221
@eldenlean5221 3 жыл бұрын
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Gil being disgusted instead of impressed is just part of his character tho. The truth is that the only thing he had that could beat casters summon was Ea and he would never in a million years see himself as an equal to that thing.
@gusbart5856
@gusbart5856 2 жыл бұрын
@@eldenlean5221 THE ONLY THING BEING ea IS A BIT MUCH DONT YOU SAY? opps caps were on sorry anyway Im sure he has something in Gate of Babylon that disables regeneration on a conceptual level. Of course that wouldnt be a pretty victory but since he can retrieve weapons forever it would actually work. it would only take a fuck lot of time and during fate Zero time was not there since peoples live were at stake. Thats the writing problem with GoB it should have so many answers that it is almost impossible to think of it all the time. You kinda need to suspend your disbelief that GoB doesnt solve the problem. Heck he probably has a dozen weapons that can cause sufficient anti army/fortress damage but like I said the writers want to tell a story.
@L10n36
@L10n36 Жыл бұрын
​@@gusbart5856very well said
@L10n36
@L10n36 Жыл бұрын
​@@eldenlean5221 and obviously he would have a multitude of ways to defeat that monster summoned by caster, he just didn't because he had no interest.
@tyrannoking097
@tyrannoking097 5 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for another voice and studiomega collab
@jamesmcdonald1108
@jamesmcdonald1108 5 жыл бұрын
I always thought Asterios would have a fair shake as his marble phantasm means Gil can't use Ea as he still is technically on the earth, and the walls (built to contain his A++ strength) of the Labyrinth gives Asterios cover to use. This actually gives him a way to close the distance as Gil has to try wandering the maze sometime, leaving him open to ambush. Now GOB may have other things that he could use to get out of it, but that's just guessing. I mean he's one star in FGO but lorewise he's on par with Raikou and similar servants, especially on his own generated home ground
@Clockehwork
@Clockehwork 5 жыл бұрын
Lots of things wrong with that, though. First off, Chaos Labyrinthos is not a Marble Phantasm, that is a whole different thing that hasn't shown up in the Fate branch of the franchise. Second, Gil can TOTALLY use Ea on Earth, its effect isn't to destroy whatever world it is used on. He can and has used it on Earth several times, it is just a tornado of energy that happens to destroy Reality Marbles. Third, Gil can just blow the damn thing to pieces with his NPs, and if he really wanted to, he could just use Sha Naqba Imuru and walk out of it no problem. Fourth, Asterios is absolutely not on par with top tier Servants like Raikou. He is quite strong, but he is nothing particularly amazing, and because he is a monster he has a disadvantage to 99% of other Servants. Monsters exist to be slain by heroes, and concepts like that have real power in Fate.
@jamesmcdonald1108
@jamesmcdonald1108 5 жыл бұрын
@@Clockehwork Well it's not exactly a marble phantasm, but I've heard it compared to such- given that it manifests soemthing unto earth like that one vampire manifesting his armory. And I've heard things like Gaia keeping Gil from using Ea at anywhere near its full power while on earth, that's why he truly only uses it in UBW and Ianori. As for blowing his way out the labyrinth, that will take time and possibly leave him open to ambush if he just rushes through it. And archer gil seemingly doesn't posses or his pride keeps him from using Sha Naqba. As for Asterios not being top tier, that's up to individuals, but his physical strength and endurance put him above heracles, and he does't have divinity to be chained. He can create his own home field advtantage, and his only lacking physical stat is agility, which is mitigated by the labyrinth
@Clockehwork
@Clockehwork 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmcdonald1108 Marble Phantasm is way higher level, it is like complete control over the world. Making a thing appear is just good magecraft. Enuma Elish is Ea at full power. Every time he uses EE, that is the full power attack. Gaia doesn't prevent him from doing anything, that isn't how Gaia works, but it IS a common thing claimed by people who don't know how Gaia works at all. It would take some time to hust bust out of the labyrinth, but that doesn't really matter much. He won't be ambushed because he DOES have Sha Naqba, and he uses it several times in FSN. However, he actively ignores it if it says something he doesn't like. When it tells him "you're going to be killed by this teenager", he thinks it is wrong, but when it tells him "Saber got laid" he acknowledges that, alright, Saber got laid. Asterios has higher physical stats than Herc, yes. But physical stats are the least important part of a Servant. See Okeanos, where Asterios and Herc actually fought, and Asterios lost HARD. Asterios' only lacking parameter is Agility, but he is also lacking range, intelligence, speed, and firepower, all of whicb Gilgamesh has in spades.
@jamesmcdonald1108
@jamesmcdonald1108 5 жыл бұрын
@@Clockehwork Asterios didn't lose, he was tieing herc despite still recovering from his wounds from battling grail powered Drake+Chaldea and then got hit by Duridana, and Tamamo cats interlude reveals he still suvived even that. As for Gil's precog it seems wildly inconsistant, otherwiss the likes of Lancelot Beserker would be toast while fighting him. Also reading up on Marble Phantasm, it seems I did have a misconception, but Asterios's is fairly close in practice
@Clockehwork
@Clockehwork 5 жыл бұрын
@@jamesmcdonald1108 Oh, no, he very definitely lost that. He was completely removed from the conflict permanently, and his opponent went on to be the most dangerous threat to his party after the battle and only ultimately fell to a completely unrelated actual deus ex machina (at least from the in-universe perspective, it wasn't a deus ex machina from the reader's viewpoint). Asterios lost, period. He didn't actually even accomplish anything except stalling Herc slightly. And why? Because of Herc's Noble Phantasm, the important part of a Servant. Parameters are barely useful except in very niche cases, NPs are what matters. And Asterios has a very good NP, but it doesn't compare to real high tiers. Lancelot would be toast while fighting Gil. He doesn't bother to actually fight him at first, but as soon as Lance gives Gil a reason to fight, the narration says explicitly that Lancelot is going to die in the next attack. And then Tokiomi intervenes, preventing that. It's the only reason why Lance survived the first night. In fact, it has been confirmed that Gilgamesh could stomp all 6 other Zero Servants in a single night, if he cared to try.
@danzuohuang4202
@danzuohuang4202 Жыл бұрын
If Gilgamesh ever found out a way to weaponize his ego he probably can destroy the whole universe.
@floweryomi5351
@floweryomi5351 3 жыл бұрын
Also I think that it should be mentioned that Enkidu can canonically be summoned as a Berserker, presumably more akin to their form they possessed before copying Shamhat's form. This form is about 50% more powerful than Enkidu was when they fought Gilgamesh, since they "lost half their power" then. Since Enkidu was at half capacity during their fight with Gil I think it could be pretty easily said that they could absolutely slam him in a fight at 100%
@Neo232100
@Neo232100 5 жыл бұрын
If I may bring up a minor honorable mention I thought of it'd be Siegfried. It's mostly because of Armor of Fafnir, with it Siegfried is completely impervious to harm from attacks and Noble Phantasms ranked B and lower. And even A-Rank Noble Phantasm's and attacks are reduced in rank by B. AKA A-Rank is lowered down to E making them little more than bug bites. It would render most of the Gate of Babylon nearly useless. Even Enkidu wouldn't be that effective since Siegfried has no divinity to speak of. The only reason I consider him an Honorable mention is his weak point on the center of his back. The only reason I could think of for Gilgamesh to not take advantage of that glaring weakness it'd be because he didn't know about and Siegfried killed him before he could learn of it or alternatively Gil actively chose not to target it just to prove he could still kill Siegfried with a literal death of a thousand cuts.
@clarent715
@clarent715 2 жыл бұрын
spitestomp lmao
@durrangodsgrief6503
@durrangodsgrief6503 2 жыл бұрын
Gil has weapons of a Rank higher than just A
@jordanlyons2609
@jordanlyons2609 Жыл бұрын
Budget God Hand gets utterly no-sold
@brenroutly133
@brenroutly133 5 жыл бұрын
I was wondering about Edmond Dantes. He is crazy fast and may be able to speed blitz Gil. If nothing else, he would be very hard to kill.
@connormccarthy6741
@connormccarthy6741 5 жыл бұрын
He also has an NP that brings him back from the brink of death, fully healed and Boosted Parameters
@gusbart5856
@gusbart5856 2 жыл бұрын
@@connormccarthy6741 zenkai boost
@jeongheonlee4556
@jeongheonlee4556 4 жыл бұрын
"it isn't gay, it's clay" LUL
@MugenZeroX
@MugenZeroX 4 жыл бұрын
When I get bored I come back to this video to watch. So much theory and cool facts and trivia. This is always a good discussion video
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