Was The New Minecraft World Record FAKE?

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In this video, we look into whether the fastest Random Seed speedrun in Minecraft World Record history, a 6:45 by lol869, was faked.
The original run: • 6:46.000 (Verified) [WR]
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Zylenox: • Minecraft 1.16 Former ...
Doog: • 8:15 former wr
IanG: • Minecraft RSG World Re...
KiwiestBirb: • WORLD RECORD 9:55 RTA ...
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This is not the story of a Minecraft player who possibly cheated to get a faked Minecraft speedrun world record, and not the story of their friend who also did not cheat to get a faked Minecraft speedrun world record. Fake Minecraft speedruns are insane, almost as insane as this description! If you want to see a fake cheated Minecraft 1.16 world record speedrun, this is not the video for you!
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@Danny15 11 ай бұрын

A massive bit of information was left out which is leading to a ton of comments wondering why this run was rejected. The seed was on a list of 164 seeds. The chance of rolling one of those seeds per reset is over 1 in 26 million. (1/1099 chance of rolling one over 23982 resets). This is the major reason the run is suspicious. The run may or may not be legitimate, but it wasn't rejected solely for the fact undetectable splices are possible.

@PoofessorP 11 ай бұрын

thanks for commenting this, that's a huge thing to leave out. I honestly thought the rejection reason was super dumb until I saw your comment

@SAPANNow 11 ай бұрын

What do you mean a list of 164 seeds? These are known seeds or something like that?

@Danny15 11 ай бұрын

@@SAPANNow Bedrock has a lot of public seed lists released in order to help SSG seedfinding. This was a seedlist which specifically had stronghold + fastion with very good proximity.

@SmileyMPV 11 ай бұрын

@@Danny15 If there are a lot of public seed lists then it becomes way more likely to roll a seed that is on at least one of the lists though. There have to be way more than only 164 seeds that have been listed somewhere.

@crackedmagnet 11 ай бұрын

I was about to say the list had 726 seeds, but now I notice it's on a refined list of those seeds that had their village layouts simulated to identify the ones that had blacksmiths. So you are right. I'm saying the run was cheated, it's impossible to be sure either way.

@theappearedone 11 ай бұрын

Everytime I watch a Weekly thing video I hear: "The biggest cheating scandal just happend"

@fim 11 ай бұрын

its allmost as iconic at fitmcs "the oldest anarchy servser in minecraft " XD

@joshanmarcusyuanregencia345 11 ай бұрын

Lmao fr

@michaelgamel5915 11 ай бұрын

@@fim now what if you took them both and got the oldest cheating scandal in minecraft

@TopkakaV 11 ай бұрын

Lol

@Vassilinia 11 ай бұрын

Same except I am getting sick of it. If everything is the biggest scandal it starts to sound like clickbait and really makes me want to not watch

@Gavolak 11 ай бұрын

At this point, someone should make a custom Minecraft launcher for speed running. One that communicates with the mod team with world files, code, etc. Basically a mc launcher with several layers of anti cheat

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

potentialy, could have a direct link to all fully accepted tools and make starting speedrunning very easy too

@gassug2 11 ай бұрын

the biggest problem with that is privacy. you're going to have people opt out because they don't want to hand over their data to a minecraft mod, which i don't fault them for. especially these days.

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

@@gassug2 'their data' doesn't mean much, it doesn't have to be an insaney intrusive anticheat like vanguard, it just has to communicate the minecraft data

@baka1984 11 ай бұрын

It's in development privately but you hear about it's release, it will have controversies too.

@bookwyrm539 10 ай бұрын

Still wouln’t work for everything on bedrock as certain categories like mobile use a app without a launcher.

@barrytrepczyk9893 11 ай бұрын

I would forget I had obsidian too if I found a stronghold that fast

@Malam_NightYoru 10 ай бұрын

i wouldn't i got it less than a minute ago lol

@flashstar1234 11 ай бұрын

This appears to be a situation where every run is guilty until proven innocent. However, this might just be necessary considering how easy it is to cheat a run. This would suck is the run was real, but we just can't know for sure.

@XIN3OHd 11 ай бұрын

That’s right. This is verification beyond a reasonable doubt, not guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

@BlueCyann 11 ай бұрын

In this specific case I wouldn't consider the mistake with the obsidian to be meaningful. The muscle memory in bedrock to build the portal room portal must be overwhelming. I think someone who's distracted by thoughts of pace or even just a little zoned out by resetting could easily forget what they'd just picked up out of the blacksmith, even if they made a mental note of it initially. See for instance Zylenox's first-gravel flint in his world record. He made a second flint and steel in that run at the point where you usually make a flint and steel, costing him maybe five seconds, and there's no question of seed-injection being a factor in that oversight. I'm aware of the other circumstances that this run should be suspect; I just think this one particular thing is probably meaningless.

@jansenncuber8009 11 ай бұрын

Probably, but the FSG bit is irrefutable

@alexlowe2054 11 ай бұрын

The mistake with obsidian actually makes me think that the run is real. If you were scouting the seed, you'd be playing with the idea of using the obsidian you might get from the blacksmith chest. But if you were playing a random seed, it would be much easier to forget that you had obsidian. Basically, it's a MUCH bigger mistake to forget the obsidian if you're cheating than if you're pre-recording a run. If you were cheating, why leave such a silly and obvious mistake in the video? Still, the fact that the seed was on a list of other seeds seems incredibly suspicious. That makes it seem basically impossible that he found the seed through random resets, instead of intentionally loading up the seed without any practice. He might just be even unluckier than dream, if he randomly rolled that seed and had his WR invalidated because someone else in the world rolled and scouted that seed before.

@BlueCyann 11 ай бұрын

@@alexlowe2054 You missed in the video where it says that chest loot is different every time you play the seed. So it's just neutral. Really no different from any other time you might happen to pick up obsidian in a random seed.

@john2552 11 ай бұрын

@@jansenncuber8009 Not really, its enough with the resource pack to not let it be verified but not enough to be 100% sure. Within the Minecraft Bedrock community higher echelon there have probably been around 1-2 million total resets if not more, that leaves around a 1/12 chance for someone to have gotten a seed on that list that could go this crazy with it sure its incredibly rare and definitely hard to believe but its not impossible that it was gotten legitimately.

@knottycurls 11 ай бұрын

Or he kept the obsidian on the off-chance he could create a portal within range back to the overworld, saving time.

@ethohalfslab 11 ай бұрын

That's a really sucky situation for that community to be in :/ I guess that goes to show why it can be good for moderators to be extra stringent with modification rules even before anything bad happens. Now there's a run that can't be proved to be fake, but can't be believed to be real. In the off chance it is real, that really really sucks for lol869.

@radioman4179 11 ай бұрын

Love your username

@ethohalfslab 11 ай бұрын

@@radioman4179 Thank you sm! :D

@LoSDockForBoats 11 ай бұрын

Wow, that sucks. I feel bad for Lol869; if that record is legit, he will miss out on the recognition of the achievement. But if it is fake, then a perhaps impossible hurdle has been crowned the pinnacle of speed running. I understand why the mod team rejected it. My hope is that it IS real, because this means a 6:45 is not only possible, but imminently achievable. If it has been done once, it will be done again.

@sealdraws1984 11 ай бұрын

The odds of it happening again if legit are incredibly slim. The seed was one of the 164 fsg seeds for bedrock. Not only would a player have to roll a 1 in a 25 million seed, they'd have to have great luck throught the run. Resulting in atleast a one a 200 million+ run

@arr3business939 11 ай бұрын

@@sealdraws1984 imagine being hella lucky to get one of those seeds just to get hackusated and being declined on a god run

@anotheruser9283 11 ай бұрын

@@sealdraws1984 That doesn't immediately confirm that the run is fake. There are people out there on dead games getting double to even triple those odds legitimately even on games with 100 cc players as its peak. If there is a percentage and that percentage has been broken before then it can be achieved.

@RubyPiec 11 ай бұрын

@@sealdraws1984 fsg?

@lockl00p27 11 ай бұрын

I believe that he’s innocent till proven guilty, so the mods rejecting the speedrun without anything proving him guilty is more than unfair.

@deluxe1886 11 ай бұрын

"The biggest cheating scandal" I've heard that line at least a hundred times now

@PartOfTheGame 11 ай бұрын

If you want to speedrun and you get anything you want to upload, you need to do everything you can to prove that you aren't cheating. Start other runs, show screens, check everything you can so that when you submit something, the mod teams can see everything.

@LavaCreeperPeople 11 ай бұрын

Was The Fastest Minecraft World Record FAKE?

@Xpeewoe 11 ай бұрын

So actually the resource pack could be used for a seed injection method which was undetectable But lol869 isn't banned or anything. It was also a seed on the list of bedrock of fsg seeds.

@TreX0578 11 ай бұрын

Is that true I have not heard of it being on the fsg list?

@spadecrazeruns5703 11 ай бұрын

If it's an fsg seed, aren't the odds so incredibly low to roll the seed that it's almost certainly cheated?

@piersonm5574 11 ай бұрын

Where did you hear it was an fsg seed?

@oude_henky 11 ай бұрын

@@spadecrazeruns5703unless they generated the world the absolute planck second the other world was made it’s physically impossible

@OmarXDmc 11 ай бұрын

@@TreX0578 it's on a list of bastions spawns that are under 200 blocks from portal

@mooing_cowmilk 11 ай бұрын

4:00 clarification: on java 1.16, 1.18+ you can spawn directly above them. Most bedrock players (non pc), can't load an older verison of MC hence dealing their stuff. If Java players had to play the latest version, then it would be the same as bedrock

@nakedmolerat69 11 ай бұрын

"Everywhere except in the middle of the ocean." Me who spawned on a single grass block in the middle of the ocean.

@8enb666 11 ай бұрын

Tbh dont agree with not verifying (unless there's more behind the scenes). Because it wasnt in the rules at the time the run was submitted to not use the resource pack, theres no way the runner could have known not to use it. If this was a real run it was cheated out of first, and if it got first while being cheated it was the mod teams fault for not properly setting out the rules.

@Finwolf29 11 ай бұрын

Yeah. At the time he was running, the pack was legal, so the run should be verified.

@Danny15 11 ай бұрын

Yeah there is "more behind the scenes". I feel like a lot of things got left out in this video which are important to have been said an are leading to a lot of people wondering why this run was rejected. The run was on a seed list of 164 seeds, which after 23,982 resets is a 1/1,099 chance to get one of those seeds (this list is less than half the size of the mcbe FSG seed list). And also there is the fact that lol869 is the one who created the pack and macro.

@8enb666 11 ай бұрын

@@Danny15 ah, yeah that's more understandable then lul

@jacksonn7285 11 ай бұрын

@@Danny15 wait are u the Danny15 in the video? if so you are a legend

@dankmemes7796 10 ай бұрын

@@Danny151 in 1000 isn’t that hard to believe tbh , I’ve played RPGs with worse drop rates than that .

@TheKiwiYT 11 ай бұрын

My fastest speedrun on a random seed is 5:22. (5 hours and 22 minutes IGT)

@flying0possum 11 ай бұрын

Based

@Evil_Jyan 11 ай бұрын

5 days and 22 hours for me

@pineapple2.041 11 ай бұрын

⁠@@Evil_Jyan amateur. 5 years and 22 weeks 🌚

@projlej 11 ай бұрын

Hi kiwiest birb

@LNP618 11 ай бұрын

@@pineapple2.041 I have a 5 millennium and 22 century run. try beat that 😂

@TheNeonLynx 11 ай бұрын

The amount of times I have heard that a minecraft run may or may not be cheated and its hard to verify makes me simply think that there should be a speedrun mod similar to the competetive patch in track mania. Something that keeps track of rng potential other mods running and maybe even creates an inputfile. If you make a mod that can be in 2 modes. replay and recording. you could have it verify a replayfile since controlled rng would make minecraft deterministic I believe and that way any inputfile could be verified at least as far as splices are considered.

@PKLuver944 11 ай бұрын

Although it seems like a good idea, I worry it wouldn't be as reliable as it sounds, as people could modify the mod's files as easily as they could modify Minecraft itself. Perhaps if all files are uploaded to a server, rendering them unmodifiable by the user?

@TheNeonLynx 11 ай бұрын

@@PKLuver944 It all depends on what can be recorded realistically. If you can record the entire rng list or close to it the game would become deterministic and messing with the file for a verify is essentially impossible. Let's say you had a bad jump and got stuck for a sec somewhere. If you want to change the inputs for that segment you would then for example load a chunk 1 second sooner which would in turn change. Which call responds to what ring value spawning a creeper instead of a zombie and you explode. You have to consider how many calls the game makes. Looking at lava makes calls for each particle pop up etc. Then you could add stuff like checksums and obfuscation if that was not safe enough. However we are talking here about speed runners and not about securing a huge database with private information. I doubt there is more than a handful of speed runners that could trick this verification and even for those it would be an incredibly long process. The real issue is to see if you could realistically record everything needed to verify a run and also how big those would files get.

@Tribox_ishere 11 ай бұрын

This is why all community’s need a unverified run leader board because of situations like this where the run can be false and not be false at the same time

@fjr1650 11 ай бұрын

schrödingers board

@Reekostory 11 ай бұрын

if that happend then the cheaters can slip thru the cracks and have a bullshit record time

@Tribox_ishere 11 ай бұрын

@@Reekostory that’s why it’s unverified.

@BallisticWistfully 11 ай бұрын

I did minecraft in 1 second!!

@-C4- 10 ай бұрын

terrible idea

@Sinchu9 11 ай бұрын

The fact he made the resource that could be used to force worldseeds, then getting a wr with such a large time difference out of nowhere, does add some suspicion to his run

@YouFellForTheBait 11 ай бұрын

that's sadly pretty bunk. I've seen rarer drops in Old-school Runescape first hand several times. The fact that he rolled a seed on the "watch list", alongside using the resets resource pack doesn't just serve means to reject it outright. There will always be a chance someone rolls the god seed, let alone seeds. Do we have to start memorizing all "suspicious_seeds" now just to not have a whole mod team/community not chastise someone? People get lucky, it happens. Not defending anyone right now, but I'm looking towards the future..

@Neonax1 7 ай бұрын

yeah so why use program which can be used for cheating? just reset manually and dont add anything to ur game like cheater he prob is

@Daz86. 11 ай бұрын

if i were a WR level runner im taking every precaution possible if ive run a legitimate run. reloading into another random seed straight after to show different seeds or multiple seeds, getting all files needed to submit shipped off immediately or w/e the protocol is, showing full vods before and after the run etc. so that it cant be refuted. You have to question when a runner cant do these simple things, either the run is suspicious or they just dont care.

@RAWRWAFL 11 ай бұрын

There should be some kind of streak category for MC runs. Like most random seeds completed in under 20 minutes in a row or smth

@cyberdragon238 11 ай бұрын

I would like to believe that this is legit and so untill it's proven as illegitimate I will believe this record is legit.

@projectinfinite7992 11 ай бұрын

it's probably never going to be proven illegitimate with definite proof, although there are so many factors pointing towards it being faked that it is unreasonable to count it as legit (as other commenters have said it was on a FSG seed list with 164 other seeds, making it a 1/26 million chance to roll this seed)

@nikplaysgames4734 11 ай бұрын

Read the pinned comment, there is more reason why this run wasn’t accepted

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

@@paroxysm6437 ok, upload it, thanks.

@WolfJ 10 ай бұрын

@@paroxysm6437 They're belief is predicated on a desire to believe it's legitimate, not only on a lack of evidence. I don't see how your comment would make them want to believe you. Other than that, your comment made me chuckle, so your ironic humor was effectively communicated.

@mrshrimpeugene 11 ай бұрын

The answer is not but the resource pack make it not eligable for the world record

@bronco3 11 ай бұрын

Most people think he seed injected using the resource pack but it's pretty much impossible to prove

@tomekczerepinski1860 11 ай бұрын

Sadge

@Damian-cilr2 11 ай бұрын

@@bronco3 impossible to prove or disprove

@Miken398 11 ай бұрын

We are approaching the Minecraft RSG singularity. Eventually, the time will get so low, that the only way to improve it is to get ridiculous luck that will have to be banned regardless of whether it is real or not. Alternatively, a cheating method(s) will be found that is hypothetically impossible to detect if done correctly, making all runs that have and will exist potentially cheated. Enjoy RSG competition while you can folks, cause it's only a matter of time before it's dead.

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

definitely. The terrifying fact is: There may always be a time more impossible than how impossible we made cheating be. Whatever anyone does ever. Simply because in computer science, especially in a complex game, there is never certainty of security.

@lukethekuya 11 ай бұрын

I hate RNG so much

@dudeawsomeness1 11 ай бұрын

Arguably, the verification is just as important as the run itself nowadays, especially for the world record.

@No-OneSpecial000 11 ай бұрын

The hilarious thing is that essentially the exact same thing happened in the gd with spaceuk

@lukethekuya 11 ай бұрын

True Both changed the community landscape for their games, for better and worse.

@rockwastaken 11 ай бұрын

??? spaceuk was proven cheating and lol was just unverifiable

@SadSeb 9 ай бұрын

Yeah

@LUMINATE_ 11 ай бұрын

lols resource pack was actually based off my original faster resets resource pack which is very similar to his. danny15 can probably prove this since he used to use my pack.

@shut7353 11 ай бұрын

minecraft needs to only allow live runs already, in one of the most contested speedrunning categories they gotta get their shit together because they make it way too easy to cheat. it's ridiculous how long they allowed resource packs, who knows how many cheated runs are on the lb

@PhazonEnder 11 ай бұрын

So it's fine to the moderators to state that one runner's WR attempt is legit and another's isn't even though both weren't able to be verified? No wonder Minecraft has so many cheaters.

@pineapple2.041 11 ай бұрын

i mean you can look at one and say one is more legit than the other

@Obotron7 11 ай бұрын

The mods only recently learned of the possibility of seed injection using the Fastest Resets mod. Previous records that used this mod were verified because of this oversight. The mods can't simply 'unverify' a long-standing World record because of a suspicion that isn't anywhere near concrete.

@DeadClover 11 ай бұрын

As said in another comment, the reason this run was rejected was actually because he played on a seed that came from a set of 164 known seeds which has a 1/26million chance of occurring naturally

@Obotron7 11 ай бұрын

@@DeadClover That probability is significantly diminished with the sheer number of resets these runners perform.

@DeadClover 11 ай бұрын

@@Obotron7 not that significantly. I'd be surprised if they've reloaded over 1 million times which is still a very low chance. From the video, it seems each world reload takes about 4 seconds. For 1 million worlds to be created, he would've had to be resetting for over 1000 hours. Not even doing any runs at all, only resetting over and over for 1000+ hours

@KaiWorld 11 ай бұрын

8:50 I honestly think it makes the run less sus, but it could also be a curve ball, if this was a set seed, it'd be logical he'd reset for 10 obi in the chest

@_mark_3814 11 ай бұрын

there would be no reason to reset that hard if you are repeatedly playing a god seed

@KaiWorld 11 ай бұрын

@@_mark_3814 yeah but it'd make sense most of his (alleged) attempts would contain a substantial amount of obsidian, meaning that by not using it, he was under pressure and went with the more practiced method that doesn't include obi

@younis24de 11 ай бұрын

Google overcommitment to a pre-scouted route

@KaiWorld 11 ай бұрын

@@younis24de would sense that he resets the seed for the perfect chest

@Danny15 11 ай бұрын

@@KaiWorld Resetting for 10 obsidian is like 1/15 between 2 blacksmiths and it saves 5-10s. If anyone ran this as a set seed, they would just run it like a normal ssg seed playing for a pick and 3 iron. The thing that helps his innocence here is more that he didn't get iron for a bucket from a chest.

@llamamilk 11 ай бұрын

I always wondered if there is a way to always generate a “decent” seed using seed manipulation and undetectable mods. This idea seems far from impossible and just a matter of time before there is a runner that wil abuse this future mechanic

@Neonax1 7 ай бұрын

not always, but you can increase ur chances like 100x times, like this guy prob did. Then just send few games so they wont notice how "lucky" u were and u are all good

@yessir98765 11 ай бұрын

0:44 "doo-gyle"

@Popple. 11 ай бұрын

Even if it really is fake, you have to acknowledge just how important the run is for the Minecraft RSG community, because it shows that a run like this one could very well be possible.

@Neonax1 7 ай бұрын

thats bullshit, u can just look for set seed WR if u are horny about what is possible

@nat_cat2923 11 ай бұрын

lol869 legend! crazy sub 7!

@fishfish248 11 ай бұрын

summoning salt in minecraft:

@michaelgamel5915 11 ай бұрын

Ive just realised they beat the game before night ever happend in that world

@Saddogimmo74 11 ай бұрын

I'm against this choice, everyone is innocent until proven guilty

@zetahurley294 11 ай бұрын

innocent until proven guilty is why they harbor no ill will towards him and refer to him as a valued member of the community. But to get a new record by that much requires verification, and they can't verify this run.

@notLinode 11 ай бұрын

He is innocent though! The mods just didn't verify the run for a using a (at the time) questionable tool, they didn't ban him or anything

@dominiquesherwood9845 11 ай бұрын

I agree with treating everyone as innocent, but the reason 'innocent until proven guilty' is a thing is because when a claim is made, there needs to be evidence to back it up. When someone is facing criminal charges, the claim is they broke the law and there needs to be evidence. When someone submits a WR speed run, the claim is their speed run is real and legitimate and there needs to be sufficient evidence to back that up.

@Saddogimmo74 11 ай бұрын

@@dominiquesherwood9845 I actually didn't look at it this way, so yeah I think you're right

@_mark_3814 11 ай бұрын

a claim of course needs to be verified, If I say I got a 5:xx just because no one can prove otherwise doesn't mean it should be on the board

@skaul5245 11 ай бұрын

I remember when doohickey was just a simple 1.8 telly bridger those were the good old days

@astrojade4802 11 ай бұрын

Well its not like they can't rollback their decision to pull down his record if they find the most tiniest portion of evidence that he cheated. More like cheaters have to always be on guard that they cannot reveal their cheats in any form of way, and ngl that kind of life is like "catch me if you can". Nowadays its more like a status symbol to be have the best speedrun time possible. And what people generally end up doing is that, they make sure to blow up in popularity enough to the point that they don't have any kind of attachments to the speedrun wr. That way when they end up getting caught, they be like "I just did it for fun" while fully knowing that they used the speedrun fame to set up their career path. And their fans are likely to follow coz they don't do any speedrun content anymore and branched off to an entirely different section.

@Lucy-zv4xc 11 ай бұрын

It's a genius career move, but it sucks that this community is being used as a launchpad rather than being respected as a hobby

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

i see where you're coming from but honestly how many people became popular because of speedrunning then were proved cheaters and stayed popular? Yes, dream, but else? seems like a non issue to me.

@therealbartinklevr 11 ай бұрын

Bro this reminds me of this space uk hacking situation in geometry dash

@ethanmik2587 11 ай бұрын

Ayooo, themonthlything is back

@Stubbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb 11 ай бұрын

what do you mean? he's Irish, he just has the Luck O' The Irish🍀🍀

@FunnyCraftSheep 11 ай бұрын

Amazingly-well put together video!

@kirbykraftgames 11 ай бұрын

Lesgo Weekly Thing's returned

@Nullicity 11 ай бұрын

im ngl tho that stronghold routing looked pre-planned just due to how unnaturally fast he turns his camera

@lmN0TGoodAtGames 11 ай бұрын

glad this was covered

@neoprene1337 11 ай бұрын

Next month on The Weekly Thing: Unbeatable RSG WR set by unknown player accidentally rolling the vine seed offline also the video is 240p and has no sound

@adamcummings20 11 ай бұрын

I like the use of the Mass Effect theme :)

@AscendingAdventures 9 ай бұрын

I’d love to think that somewhere deep in Siberia or China, there’s a dude who has beaten a randomized Minecraft seed in under 3 minutes.

@juxluxsr 11 ай бұрын

As a long time member of this community I’m so proud of how it has come along especially in the past few months. And Lol is a prime example of an amazingly special runner. I’m very proud of him and the the things he has accomplished. As for this run I choose to believe it’s real, but I don’t know, and we may never now for certain. Again I can’t stress enough how good a runner Lol is, I ran MCBE for over 2 years and didn’t even come close to the things he accomplished. Again I’m proud of Lol and I hope he can put this behind him, which undoubtedly will be hard.

@RainierBoender 11 ай бұрын

Hier word ik zo ongelooflijk blij van

@xronite 11 ай бұрын

the wii boxing lmaoo

@murraydavis6839 10 ай бұрын

The thing you said about bedrock only spawning you in 4 biomes might be wrong because i spawned in a mangrove biome before

@LilNite_ 9 ай бұрын

It was on older versions I think, I remember having a world in 1.17 and I spawned like 800 blocks away from 0, 0 bcz It was a dessert biome, but now when I create a world it spawns in 0, 0 no matter what biome is

@daedalsatyr7715 3 ай бұрын

it was a legal resource when the run was set, he didn't break any rules so it should be verified

@James-vc1kc 11 ай бұрын

I feel like the random seed Minecraft speedrun category is such a meme. You are literally trying to win the lottery at this point to beat the record. Of course skill goes into a player’s ability to capitalize on the rng, but to me the amount of rng required to get a world where it’s remotely possible to beat the record is becoming so infinitesimally small that you basically have to question the validity of the run every single time there’s a new record. I’ve lost interest in following the category entirely because there’s so many incentives to cheat these runs, which has been seen countless times again and again.

@GeraldTM 5 ай бұрын

5 months later, new java wr

@Viaz1 11 ай бұрын

I can understand banning instant reset after this run but why also include it as lol869 played it previous to the banning just like the others so unless there is other evidence of cheating I see no reason not to verify it.

@yuetexruns 11 ай бұрын

Because this was the run that kickstarted the pack to eventually get banned, we had thought that Lol had made the tools to (possibly) make an undetectable cheated run and for that reason it isn't verified.

@Viaz1 11 ай бұрын

@yuetexruns I understand now, thanks

@Alex26894 11 ай бұрын

“Press open chat to open chat” 3:31 lol

@rockwall5329 11 ай бұрын

In my opinion for any run to count to the world record it should have to be live streamed. This would significantly, if not completely remove the possibility of cheating in these runs. Obviously this isn't ideal but with the amount of cheating in this game I think it is necessary

@crudboy12 10 ай бұрын

I think this run could have been cheated live because the seed injection could be done with a macro.

@Merluch 8 ай бұрын

Dream cheated in his livestreams. Minecravenger cheated in his livestreams. It's not a fix

@JwebGuru 8 ай бұрын

@@MerluchIt does solve cheating in the vast majority of games that aren't complete RNG fests. Minecraft random seed is different.

@ILIKEOTTERS 11 ай бұрын

Ah, that stinks!

@tacticalpossum7090 11 ай бұрын

Whenever there are pre-learned seeds people can usually point it out through the body language of the runner. Nobody is doing that here beyond the goof with the obsidian

@Ybw420 11 ай бұрын

good resolution by banning that insta reset thing

@myst7020 11 ай бұрын

at some point the only way to beat the world record (provided no major changes in strats) will be to highroll 12 eyes in the portal frame and skip the nether entirely

@galliumgames3962 11 ай бұрын

1 in a trillion odds, so you’d need a million speed runners doing a million runs to reach 1 trillion (With that not even being a guarantee with bad luck). If you got 1,000,000,000 people doing one run a day, or 100,000,000 people doing ten runs a day, it could probably be done in a few years, but good luck coordinating that.

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

@@galliumgames3962 and all the speedrunners have to rush the stronghold unprepared lol. The rrun of the video is one of the few formats where the stronghold is discovered at the very start

@Kadori328 9 ай бұрын

So they basically robbed this nan

@calliopehu1924 11 ай бұрын

speedrunning community: we're a cooperative group, friendly to newcomers!😊After all, we always need more fans-oops, I mean runners! speedrunning community when less established players start having fast times: No you don't stream on twitch enough to have this time you must have cheated 😠 I mean seriously lmao the only "proof" here is that it's theoretically possible for him to have undetectably cheated. The only hint that this was a set seed was him... forgetting to use some obsidian? you'd think a set seed run would have more slip-ups lmao

@yuetexruns 11 ай бұрын

imo, we shouldn't have runs on the tops of leaderboards that are unverifiable, and this one falls under that.

@SprinkzMC 11 ай бұрын

Do your research before typing. Specifically, read the pinned comment. And also it's not like lol869 was an untrusted runner before this run

@SprinkzMC 11 ай бұрын

@Calliope Hu

@nonamenofame97 11 ай бұрын

8:51 Or he saw them and wanted to save them for later in the run. Cuz he knows a portal is guaranteed by the lava, but he doesnt know if waiting for obsidian during trades later will cost him extra time.

@crookst_fan 11 ай бұрын

what does he need obsidian from the trades for?

@nonamenofame97 11 ай бұрын

@@crookst_fan was honestly zooted when i made this comment and i hadnt even finished the video. All of my arguments were invalid

@sefisab 11 ай бұрын

The limit to minecraft speedrun rsg is the ssg because you have the chance to spawn in that world

@Cninder 11 ай бұрын

is this the 17th BIGGEST CHEATING SCANDAL IN MINECRAFT HISTORY

@bigiron4018 11 ай бұрын

Not as far as I know, but leaderboard mods don’t like the resource pack used so may not be verified.

@bigiron4018 11 ай бұрын

Or any resource pack actually.. I think

@jonteau8349 11 ай бұрын

I hope all speedrunning communities learns from this. Disallow all kinds of modifications, require that people run the game in its purest form

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

absolutely not? litteraly 0 speedrunners are advocating for that. Everyone wants the external tools for faster reset, better performances, less dumb getting a calculator out, etc. They just need to be well made so they can't be hacked to cheat

@hammydown9942 11 ай бұрын

This speed runner not depending on obsidian as a general rule when there’s no guarantee you get it is also a fair possibility

@doggyw00f18 11 ай бұрын

what has lol869 said regarding this?

@Crackey75 11 ай бұрын

Music by home goes hard

@Neqtunezz 11 ай бұрын

from 7:45 to a whole minute shorter? what the fuck

@Pepso8P 11 ай бұрын

What failed to be mentioned anywhere (as of the time before the video goes live - in the description) is that it is a bedrock edition speedrun.

@Neqtunezz 11 ай бұрын

@@Pepso8P that makes it even crazier tbh

@coltenkleeblatt7539 11 ай бұрын

@Neqtunezz fax

@linuslucke3838 11 ай бұрын

@@Neqtunezz Nah, BE has way better potential with stronghold villages at spawn

@elliecassar1881 11 ай бұрын

actually, on bedrock edition i once spawned in a mangrove swamp (creative world, on ps4) is that supposed to happen?

@Danny15 11 ай бұрын

Spawning rules changed in 1.18. You can spawn in any biome except ocean on 1.18+.

@elliecassar1881 11 ай бұрын

@@Danny15 oh alright, makes sense

@daDUSTad 11 ай бұрын

maybe they start some day and force runners to start recording before they even start the game, make them show anything they do while speedrunning. Not even to reveal cheaters, but to make runs as safe as possible from cheating accusations. we may also need a tool, that records what processes are running on the pc while playing. especially in games like minecraft where cheaters have many options to mess with the game, that's something we may need

@Ben_6278 11 ай бұрын

do i hear your pc in the background? its rather distracting

@timer1238 11 ай бұрын

Can you give a dowbload for the map in background at 2:17

@daedalsatyr7715 3 ай бұрын

i consider this the world record

@FizSwik915 Ай бұрын

its now verified

@AP-dc1ks 11 ай бұрын

Next do the SLOWEST chested speedrun

@camdendavis284 11 ай бұрын

Just got a sub 1 minute rsg with this resource pack no hax. Thanks lol, keep it dank memes

@stijnvanoorschot4050 11 ай бұрын

Well to be honest if you say that the nether portal making is practiced that could also be because of how many times you don’t get obsidian so it could just be automatically doing things maybe due to high emotions but thats just my thing. Am not a minecraft pro so yea just thought that point had another way to think about it

@Clepston 11 ай бұрын

Not rejecting the previous records is a fucking insult. If using resource packs is cause for suspicion, then uphold that ruling fairly. I wish I could say I was surprised, but speedrun moderators across communities continually disappoint.

@JawsTheAxolotl 11 ай бұрын

i was a bit sad when cube lost his wr 😢

@sunethealgorithm 11 ай бұрын

Isn't doogile that one telly bridge guy? Not a speedrunner

@clixis 11 ай бұрын

spaceuk moment

@samschellhase8831 11 ай бұрын

killing the dragon is the part that matters? seems like almost all speedrun timers end with the credit screen, not the killing of the dragon?

@Phorux Ай бұрын

We have it like that bacause sometimes the dragon dies weirdly and makes it hard to tell when exactly it died but the portal spawns an exact amount of time after it does die

@GulaManYOW 10 ай бұрын

Simply, they are just jelous to see someone break the unbreakable lol

@clasherknife14 10 ай бұрын

No bro I am also a bedrock player but without proof they can't accept the run

@7amoody.buhazza 10 ай бұрын

I just got amazed because I saw a Bahraini person on the leaderboard.

@btarg1 11 ай бұрын

I swear this happens every few weeks

@mozzapple 11 ай бұрын

Wasn't it found out that the seed he used physically couldn't be generated by minecraft or something? I remember seeing something about that

@SpookFNaF 11 ай бұрын

You might be thinking of Minecravenger's controversy where his loot chests were literally impossible within the constraints of Minecraft.

@korok2619 11 ай бұрын

no but it was a known seed used for setseed runs, so not a binary proof but suspicious

@k9strike931 11 ай бұрын

I first misread the title as: Was The Fakest Minecraft World Record FAKE?

@sunnythegreat9312 4 ай бұрын

I haven't completed watching the video yet. I'm pretty sure if sub 5 minutes speed runs ever get published, they will be extremely suspicious even when they are legitimate because that's just the amount of luck the speedrunner would need to get. That amount of luck is possible if they were willing to retry like a bazillion times. To avoid suspicion, they would need to stream most of their runs to prove their legitimacy. I don't know if 6 minutes is already beginning to seem suspicious.