@@weavilelover because the rocket launcher is both incredibly strong and incredibly balanced (every other option does at least one thing worse, Direct Hit included), and being able to both rocket jump more and escape from a bad situation quickly makes you the most mobile character in the game

@StarMarxman The Original doesn't do anything worse, but that's because it's a reskin.

@@paulblankenship8344 it's worse at shooting around corner

@@MTT563 the cow mangler is actually banned because of its infinite ammo, plus it's main weakness of less building damage is nullified by its alt fire + the existence of Demoman and another Soldier

Why escape plan and not equalizer? At least escape plan lets you escape or run at the enemies and crit. Equalizer only does as much damage as stock when you're at or around half health. You have to be at a health that gets you one shot by like 80% of weapons in the game just to do like 10 extra melee damage

This is BETTER, however the greatest flaw of the Brass Beast is its slowness. Being unable to switch to melee or a secondary shotgun while on the move to prevent ambushes would make it very tricky to use. That said, I absolutely LOVE the idea of the Steak being charged by damage, because that allows it to be much more powerful, like Soldier's buff banners or Pyro's Phlogistonator. The set's name is "The Sleeping Bear," so it SHOULD be scary when you wake that bear up! *Here's my suggestions:* 1. _Give the Steak a damage resistance and knockback immunity when eaten, as well as healing for 300. Because it needs to be charged up and sticks Heavy to melee once consumed (functionally depriving him of a healing secondary) it should make him scarier then a demoknight upon use. The healing it provides is simply a quality-of-life feature, ensuring that you don't have to waste time looking for a health pack before going on your rampage. Same goes for the knockback immunity, because it would absolutely suck to have your well-earned rampage be completely invalidated by a single pyro with airblast._ _A fun additional feature could be that damage dealt while under the effects of the steak increases its duration._ 2. _Make the Brass Beast same as stock while revving up, but extremely slow while revving down. This means the weapon still requires smart positioning and game-sense to use, while negating the ambush problem. Sure, you hit like a truck, but you also can't easily retreat or advance after engaging, making you extremely vulnerable to corner-peaking and long-ranged attacks._ 3. _Remove the damage vulnerability and give the Warrior's Spirit "honour-bound" as suggested, however make it deal 200 damage when holstered before a kill, instead of 50. Now to counteract this, give it increased move-speed while held that stacks with the Steak (making him about as fast as Spy), and an increased melee range comparable to the Half-Zatoichi._ Now, a Heavy using the Steak and Spirit together will be a TERRIFYING foe, with health on kill and extended duration on damage ensuring that he can continue is rampage for as long as there are enemies within swinging-range. Yet this remains balanced by the fact that he functionally doesn't have a melee or secondary until he can do enough damage to charge the Steak, leaving him vulnerable.

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth the steak also gives more speed, so the brass beast's weakness is (kinda) fixed

AND MAKE THE STEAK HEAL FOR FULL HEALTH YOUR ALREADY STRIPPED TO MELEE WHY NOT HAVE IT HEAL

@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth I like this a lot. It makes the slowness of the Brass Beast a lot more tolerable knowing you will soon be able to mow down the enemy team if you get past their lines. With a pocket medic this would be insane.

@@tront5903 | Indeed! Going on a DOOM-styled melee rampage as Heavy would feel amazing, especially after using something as slow as the Brass Beast. The enemy would dread waking up The Sleeping Bear. It would fulfill a similar function to the Phlog, but trade the ridiculous crowd-melting damage for something more sustainable, which feels perfectly balanced to me. It even stays fair in Medieval mode, because dealing enough damage to rampage with only melee would take much more time.

"The PP really just kills any potential fun"

@@fishstickfailur3🤨🤨📸📸📸📸📸📸

*vine boom*

Underrated comment, but poor choice of words.

“Ba-dum tish”

Thats why never use YER with Dead Ringer

combining it with the thermal thrusters and powerjack basically makes the pyro a scout.

@@AutistRapper there are a few combos with this: thermal thruster makes approaching and the escaping very quick. You can also use the detonator or the shorch shot to quickly ignite players and pound them with fireballs quickly. It also pierces through enemies, making crowd control a lot more feasible to deal with! Lots of potential with this weapon in the right hands!

SO THIS IS WHY IT FELT SO GOOD LATELY, DAMN.

see zesty Jesus's video on the dragons fury. controversy aside, that guy was onto something.

@@maybe-ef4ch idc much about drama or comedy controversy so I watched his video. And damn it’s really well done! (And no I would not like to know much about the drama, I just want to have fun here)

It would deal less overall dmg even if the scorch shot had a 100% damage penalty

Gas passer is supposed to be a trap weapon to trap spy so that fair

I think I only ever got the Gas passer to be useful once and that was by dropping it in the middle of a team fight right outside a spawn door.

​@@getthegoonsmvm

@@ashleysony7943boys against bots?

Ok but consider if the loadout has any other use

@@idkhonestly7163 tilting. Imagine if somehow, someone managed to dominate you with this awful loadout. Upsetting, right? You get upset, causing your play to become more reckless and unaware. Now the entire enemy team has an easier time fighting you.

@@internetidiot4206 If you get dominated by a soldier using only an escape plan you weren't a threat to the enemy team to begin with.

​@@TH3W0LF100why'd you need to call me out like that

Assuming you don’t die when you go in you normally help build Uber passively but there is no actual way to deal damage to yourself

Diet trolldier

Isn’t Equalizer a damage boost by taking damage? Wouldn’t that add an advantage for solider’s damage power when the escape plan doesnt

The equalize is better in this loadout because the escape plan is just giving something redudant (because rocket jumper) while the equalizer actually gives a benefit that the entire loadout doens't have (damage).

@@hakai1014yeah but for the escape plan you can run away and if you use the equaliser you will get easily killed

@@Chair-E-Bomb Run away and...do what? The escape plan is your only source of damage, so your only source of damage is a tool you use to run away. Furthermore, you already have a fast escape tool...the rocket jumper, and you're not marked for death while using that. Using the equaliser could at least potentially get you a kill or two, with the escape plan you're just not doing anything.

Umm, aktualle do you mean while not disguised? (I’m sorry)

It would be better if it had slightly more bonus damage. The resistance piercing is a nice niche ability, but if it doesn't have more damage on one side of the disguise or the other, then it needs another benefit.

This is true because it was basically the gun spy meta before the enforcer got killed minus the red tape recorder because it’s similar to the Dr. Enforcicle loadout: dead ringer, enforcer, and spy-cicle.

You know, you could just bind M1 to undisguise to get the bonus all the time, right?

@@joanaguayoplanell4912 Edit : My brain was turned off But yeah basically with the old enforcer you didn’t need to do this because why disguise when you can just deal insane damage

counterpoint: classic still makes you a very easy target for spy

I don’t know which is better but I am glad I don’t play Sniper long enough to actually try and experiment with anything

@@yes9691 I disagree, with the ability to charge unscoped, your turning speed isnt hampered at all so you can continue to look around turn your back and so on to make it much harder for spies to get you.

@@yes9691 countercounterpoint: You can't be overhealed with the razorback.

Its because a sniper with the classic wouldn't be up close with the pyros anyway. Hes countering something he already counters through sheer range. And being in danger of spies is much more dangerous than being in danger of pyros. Only one of these classes can one shot you, especially considering you need to sit still with the classic to charge, and you dont have the option to avoid trickstabs with the smgs

correction: 2:37 Engineer Loadout 4:05 Medic Loadout 5:18 Scout Loadout 8:03 Sniper Loadout 10:29 Heavy Loadout 13:05 Pyro Loadout 14:40 Spy Loadout 16:49 Demo Loadout 20:16 Soldier Loadout

correction: 2:37 Pyro Loadout 4:05 Pyro Loadout 5:18 Pyro Loadout 8:03 Pyro Loadout 10:29 Pyro Loadout 13:05 Pyro Loadout 14:40 Pyro Loadout 16:49 Pyro Loadout 20:16 Pyro Loadout

I love the engineet

"soldoer"

engineet

Also any good spy main would just gun you down if you use the razor back it doesn't even do its job right

Also Spy has a gun so if the Spy see you with Razorback, he can just whip out his gun (especially Ambassador). At least The DDS can tank the Scorch Shit Pyro.

Watch the video

I'm also a heavy main and this is tone deaf from a particular video from someone attempting to make the brass beast seem usable in any situation. The brass beast & shotgun combo is terrible loadout as you're giving up the ready on command damage of the minigun, the team and self healing utility of any of the sandwiches, and leaving you an easy pick for snipers and spies, or any other heavy that gets the jump on you. However don't get me wrong, the brass beast is usable in very niche situations, like Swiftwater last, with a dispenser.

Exactly. Eviction Notice is disposable in favor of the GRU and it will do NOTHING during a close range encouter. At least Warrior Spirit can ensure you'll win once somebody will get cocky and try to melee you. So yeah, I'll say that TheWhatShow still got outsmarted.

@@mysoncrumphaseveryinjury3853 Eviction notice does have the speed boost if you get a hit which lets you run after the person you're meleeing

@@dotplusdot5961 while playing the slowest and largest class. Even with the speedboost this isnt Scout's Academy of Evading Attacks we're talking about and that damage is pretty much worthless

Eureka Effect can also teleport you back to spawn, where you can instantly refill your ammo. Also, you're an Engineer. If you're performing your class functions to the best of your ability, chances are you'll have a conveniently-placed dispenser somewhere. Sure it takes longer to get the metal from the dispenser, but only by like 1 or 2 extra "dispenses". On top of all that, the whole idea of the Widowmaker is that the damage you deal is returned to you in metal. If you're a good enough shot, you can actually make the short circuit synergize with it. Shoot an energy orb to absorb rockets, swap to widowmaker and shoot at close enough range to recoup most of your metal losses (65 for energy, 30 for widowmaker shot, 95 total metal spent), rinse and repeat. iirc the Eureka Effect doesn't affect the Widowmaker's metal return mechanic. Take it from someone who mains engie and has experimented with a _significant multitude_ of gimmick loadouts, what TheWhat says about engie not having a bad loadout is %100 true.

The widow maker gives you infinite ammo and no realoading if you dont miss, the short circuit gives you a way to deal with explosive classes, and the eureka effect is effectively a resupply cabinet you can access, even if you are overreliant in metal, you re an engineer, you re gonna be always hovering around ammo packs and dispensers

Still better than the pomson

I use this loadout all the time it's completely viable and pretty good too if played properly

As long as and Engineer can still build and upgrade, he’ll never be a BAD class to play… just less optimal.

You might get kills if you team up with a Jarate sniper on your team though.

it's still a consistent 65 damage.

@@gregorymirabella1423 I'd say Bushwacka is still worse. I don't think dealing 65 damage is worth 20% damage vulnerability while active, not having random crits, and not having bleed.

I think the shiv is being treated a bit too harsh, not good but it is nowhere near as bad as the other weapons in the same tier in his worst weapon videos

@@Recarsonated It’s about worst synergies, not worst weapons, the tribal manshiv does not do enough damage for a sniper rifle that is only good for medium range and not having a tunneled view.

YES, FINALLY SOMEONE HAS THE SAME IDEA

Slap their ass? No. Slap them WITH YOUR ass.

I mean, it was pretty well made. Despite the fact that this was ripped straight from Jojo yet uses stats that don't exist (S, specifically), it was pretty well done

@@vabajaba it's a Jojos reference

Yeap, but the PP really kills the Scottish resistance

​@@Hello_World_not_taken yeah, the PP is definitely lethal

Yeah, the base jumper + Scottish resistance means you can keep an eye on all your traps at once. It's not good, but not awful either.

I wouldn't call it "pretty good" but Scottish resistance + Base jumper is a different and unique way of playing demoman, and it can be pretty solid if there aren't any snipers on the enemy team. Otherwise it is just...okay. Not bad, but not specially good either.

@@szarekhthesilentking7043 There's also the fact that the BASE Jumper kind of cancels out the weak points of the Scottish Resistance by putting you a huge distance from the enemy. Normally, the Scottish Resistance has the problem that it's near-useless at close range since stickies will take forever to arm, but with the BASE Jumper, if you fire it at the apex of your jump, they'll arm pretty much the moment they hit the ground.

funny other thing? the suggestion of replacing scottish resistance with sticky jumper is literally just trolldemo, trolldier's less known mildly less powerful but still really fun cousin

yeah, idk why everyone thinks the jarate can compete.

You cant equip them both

@@LunaExpiX yes, that’s why I’m promoting the Danger Shield, which offers better fire protection

Engie still has fully leveled sentries and soldier and demo are almost completely without explosives so I think defense would absolutely destroy. AND no stock Uber to force your way through either, oof

@@maxxcurtis4418spy still has sappers

Engineer will still have his sentries, which will pretty much carry both teams

The good old days.

It wasn't OP tho, like at all op. Like to the point it wasn't banned in comp

@@danielsurvivor1372 that's because spy is one of the worst classes in comp because teamwork basically shuts down any sneaking attempts, so an overpowered weapon on a bad class cancels each other out. Compare that in pubs where teamwork is basically a dice roll, so the dead ringer is overpowered because spy can be a terror without teamwork

I don't think the loadout is anywhere near as bad as this guy is making it out to be, hell, just look at the background footage, he was able to get a 10 killstreak with this and he isn't even that good. Someone that's good at spy could easily get a godlike.

I'm pretty sure even back then you could still disguise with the YER. You just needed to do it with another knife, and then switch to it and refresh your loadout on a resupply locker, same as when you want to switch Soldier banners without losing charge.

Every bright light casts a dark shadow

You just straight up copied fishstick on a sticks opinion and both of your viewpoints are invalid because the parachute is useless either way and your slow activation time makes sticky jumping more difficult.

@@painiscupcakegaming1204 Changing your opinion on something when someone presents their own, different idea and you follow their logic and agree with it is a good thing, that's what you're supposed to do. The slow arm time is a pain, but it only makes it slower, not more difficult, and the parachute helps greatly because you can use it to remain in the air when you otherwise would fall onto your enemies and get bodied.

Nah, those airblasts can make you a good demoknight counter or trolldier counter, and you can also threaten demoman and soldier normally thanks to reflecting their projectiles, which gives you an effective longer range. Also you can help your team by extinguishing them. The phlog cannot make you useful at all except when you have the hmmph meter charged, and even then you HAVE to get close to your enemies and hope to God you survive enough to do meaningful damage

@@szarekhthesilentking7043 This is true. However, the burn penalty really hurts when ur trying to do damage. I think these are interchangable.

@@Ulmanlaiku Ehh, I like afterburn for finishing off targets who killed me, but are still on fire. But other then that yea, afterburn is still pretty useless.

@@Ulmanlaiku Yea that's why I think their interchangable.

​@@williamgrant3231 Airblast is far above burn damage, cause with airblast there's a fair chance you make it out of the matchup alive since you can deflect the projectile or make the opponent die to fall damage or even just blast them away so their weapons don't deal full damage ramp-up, wheras just holding down m1 doesn't help against any classes even the spy, medic or scout who are said to be the weakest classes with pyro even being spy's 'counter' (unless it's knife spy, where pyro would probably win though the spy would still have a chance to backstab them.

Yep, but the PP shreds the Scottish resistance… :/

​​@@Hello_World_not_taken 🤨📸

just don't get hit 4head

The fact with this is that the crit a cola can make you build your meter faster by doing more damage, and the sandman can do damage from a decent range.

... You can Teleport instantly to base with the Eureka Effect, making the Metal Problem, even with the widowmaker, a non issue. Hell, you're constantly getting metal with the Widowmaker if you're killing people, so really all it's doing is getting rid of one or two shots at most, which is fine, because once you're out of danger or have enough of a repreive, just get out and fully stock up free.

I wanted to write this too

@@MegaKH2fan You couldn't have thought this better. The pomson lacks good damage, that the widowmaker has. The eureka effect synergises way too well with the widomaker.

@@albinskywalker Ok, it only synergizes well if you have good aim. Big BIG caveat. Having to teleport around just to reload your shotgun is a massive pain, and not worth it if you could just use stock.

@@PajamaPantsStudios If aim is your issue in the first place, why are you even using the Widowmaker? The reason the Pomson is bad is that even when you're GOOD with aim, all it does is make you objectively worse at the game because it's just that bad. And even if the teleporting back for free is such a hassle to you, pro tip: Build your Teleporter Exit without the entrance, and hide it somewhere behind Enemy lines. Since there's no sign of teleportation from the Engi, and there's no animation on the Teleporter, that actually makes it pretty hard to find if you know where to hide it, and even when they DO break it, just build another somewhere for almost free. The Eureka Effect is near BUSTED my guy, the slight loss is barely a problem if you actively use the teleport.

Ok, but consider: the Widowmaker is also a really good weapon. Once you get set up, you have sv_infiniteammo

You can use the Widowmaker exclusively as engi and still be effective

It is still very good.

nah glass spoon

*you're

However you will have a larger area behind where the spy can come from due to being in the medium range because going short is suicidal and long range makes it even more obsolete, I say a much better upside is the damage reduction from Pyros due to you being closer to them and thus a more likely chance for them attack you

@@Predator20357 ok but this is supposed to be the worst sniper loadout, isnt it

@@kass2545 I was just pointing out how there’s a much better reason for why the Razorback is worse just in case. I am in total agreement with you. The Razorback is only really good for long range snipers as the spy is the only one who can really try and kill you and even then, the revolver can still kill a Razorback Sniper making them have to rely on a quick scope to the head which I guarantee, most snipers can’t pull off instantly

Shiv's still worse than Bushwacka. There are enough sources of minicrits in this game that even without jarate or carbine the bushwacka's upside isn't useless.

I think it’s because if you use the claid, you can still use SR while in the air effectively since your ammo isn’t cut, but your close quarters combat is effectively kneecapped. If you use the persians, your close combat is still kneecapped, probably even more so, since you can’t set up as many traps around you, and your playstyle in the air is less effective. I guess you could make the argument that claid is worse if there is no dispenser around to help you.

@@matthewsusilo8698 that’s why I said I would pair it with the sticky jump, that way you are forced to use the clad for combat.

@@captainnomekop5056 That's fair. I mean, there's not really a worst demo loadout. One is just a crappy market gardener, while the other is basically just a mosquito.

You know the diamondback may very well be worse since you will probably never get a stab or sap with that load out, which means you are stuck with a worse stock revolver that is louder than the frying pan.

I mean, it's still worse than stock.

It helps a lot with bullet spread

I like the accuracy because of the slower fire speed

@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 while stock is the power house of consistency the enforcer is the real chads choice of all revolvers

To be fair, while the playstyle is valid, the Pompson, on servers that don't allow random critical hits, are outclassed by every weapon except maybe the panic attack on specific maps. The Short Circuit is suitable for a flashbang and spam punisher but is severely outclassed by the Wrangler, which can stuff Uber charge and force enemies to coordinate a push just to destroy your gun. Finally, while the Southern Hospitality is technically better than stock, but is outclassed by the Jag, which can set up a level 3 nest in less than a minute, and the Eureka Effect, which can allow you to manage your teleporter, gain infinite metal supply with health and literally set your spawn anywhere on the map. I can't bash, I main Heavy and use the Brass Beast offensively, so I'm a lover of bad weapons.

I've heard that loadout called "eagle scout"

Hmmm. I have seen loadout before... Oh yeah. Soundsmith made a video on trolldier secondaries a few years ago that was the same loadout. (almost) AND had the same name. 'You have a subclass'.

I worded my sentence wrong, I was trying to say I've been trying out a loadout not that I created it, and I am going to admit that I got the idea from soundsmith

He is counting random crits. And a random crit caber is pretty damn strong. And you gain insane mobility for free. You essentially become worse trolldier. But still usable.

@@szarekhthesilentking7043 The Ullapool Caber can't randomly crit, so that point is moot. The only way a Demoman can get a caber to crit is with a shield, which is why the caber is almost exclusively used nowadays with the Targe or Splendid Screen.

That is a troll loadout that is fun and works. Sticky jumper is good, especially with base jumper, they are bad alone but a funny meme together. Base jumper with scottish resistance and persian persuader have no synergy

For certain situations it's decent, namely to delay engineers from rebuilding nests after they get pushed out from a point. Aside from that it's less effective than stock when you need to take out nests that have engies still in them.

@@gunswinger3110 I think the main utility of the RTR is when you need to deal with multiple engineers in a thicket of a nest, where making them waste their time is more useful then trying to destroy them all, since they'll repair it on their own, but the RTR makes it so that they need to rebuild.

I agree. If I have a reliable team and I can always get to sentry in time, I just lose few metal to fix it. But with the Red Tape, the consequence stays.

I really only find RTR more useful than stock if there's no way to follow up on a sap, so knowing you aren't going to destroy it anyways you make spy-hunting before removing sapper much more painful than just using a couple dispenser charges

Yeah also against mini sentry engies in maps where they don't belong. They usually let the mini die because they have a frontier justice, but atleast they don't have a mini up for a bit longer

I know that guy. He’s a trader who’s been tryna collect all of his old items. Kinda like in castlevania 2 when Simon was collecting all of Dracula’s body parts.

bruhh

Bruh

bruhhh

KZfaq really be like that sometimes

This guy also censored fire retardant and put some actually usable weapons underneath the Sun on a stick

Probaly he install the custom animation

Sorry to be the one to break this to you but you can always backstabbing as spy unless your icicle is melted

@@cfdude2500 I believe that’s what was being hinted at

@@cfdude2500 I think he said that already...

Why isnt the worst loadout letranger + cloak and dagger and spycicle?

@@SeleverEnjoyer Because the Letranger is freaking awesome, that's why Plus the Spy-cicle ain't even bad and I shouldn't have to explain why the CnD is at least decent

The eviction notice exists

​@@AlichoochooIts increased attack speed benefits from the steak's mini cirt boost.

You'll only be doing 35 damage a hit

@@Alichoochoo That's pretty good with the ASPD of the Eviction Notice.

@@mrduck1490 the gru would do 88 damage a punch

Okay?

you were close at least.