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Hockey Psychology

14 күн бұрын

#nhl #hockey #edmontonoilers
The Vegas Golden Knights are up 2-0 against the Dallas Stars in the NHL Playoffs. We break down the Vegas system & how they are a systematic force that the fans desperately want to fail.
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@xyrolinx3533
@xyrolinx3533 14 күн бұрын
Hockey Psychology always calling Vegas the "Vegas Long Term Injured Reserves" stings right now.
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
If you are a fan, don't be stung by it, Vegas is starting to print LTIR Champion sweaters to sell 😂
@mikem9536
@mikem9536 14 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesTheCynic. They are the LTIR champs.
@craig7185
@craig7185 14 күн бұрын
Being down 0 - 2 stings more.
@TheJasonVoorhees
@TheJasonVoorhees 14 күн бұрын
Loving Tears In Realtime
@chrisfontaine5124
@chrisfontaine5124 14 күн бұрын
@@mikem9536that crown goes to Tampa, they found this loop hole
@BahamutBreaker
@BahamutBreaker 14 күн бұрын
This type of visual breakdown (with the stop-time highlights and appropriate use of arrows and other identifying symbols superimposed on the video) and complementary narrative/verbal analysis are incredibly good for amateur work. I know this channel has had success with its tongue-in-cheek humorous weekly reviews of NHL action… but those are NOT the reason why this channel kicks ass. It’s THESE videos, like this one, that are where this channel truly shines and stands alone in excellence.
@10.11.9
@10.11.9 14 күн бұрын
He has a good understanding of the game.
@AntonKulikov
@AntonKulikov 14 күн бұрын
This is what differentiates this channel from its copycats, yes.
@Nocternel
@Nocternel 3 күн бұрын
I love these videos because as someone who doesn't watch other sports and never grew up around them, these videos help me to understand the game of hockey so much more. I learn more and more every day and my knowledge has grown so much in the past 2 years because of videos like these.
@bigjust7016
@bigjust7016 14 күн бұрын
Man I wish I had Mark Stone’s doctor. Bro must be crazy
@TheWarlord9883
@TheWarlord9883 14 күн бұрын
One of the clutchest doc´s in NHL history. Should go into the HoF.
@Jacobgblue
@Jacobgblue 14 күн бұрын
@@TheWarlord9883under rated comment
@quelchx
@quelchx 13 күн бұрын
Making bank I bet
@angryassyrian5627
@angryassyrian5627 12 күн бұрын
The dude would probably make you regrow limbs, best doctor in the NHL
@brycebabineaux3384
@brycebabineaux3384 11 күн бұрын
Fake doctors note
@the1andonly759
@the1andonly759 14 күн бұрын
Great touch at the end of the video… RIP Bob Cole❤
@ryanc9888
@ryanc9888 14 күн бұрын
What a move, what a goal, Oh baby!
@doublestrokeroll
@doublestrokeroll 14 күн бұрын
Yep. Bob was a legend. Him and Harry were a joy to listen to.
@ryanreeves8931
@ryanreeves8931 14 күн бұрын
He was the best at it!!
@robertrobbins1367
@robertrobbins1367 14 күн бұрын
Its Rough being a Dallas fan right now.. The knights are a GREAT team... They have a full team of talent and a good system... Not losing hope but its dire.
@hockey_highlights_and_more
@hockey_highlights_and_more 14 күн бұрын
Try being a leaf fan 😢 it doesn’t get much worse than that, you’ve gotten to see a winner
@shinyuta
@shinyuta 14 күн бұрын
@@hockey_highlights_and_more i can get half of the experience by watching steve dangle lol.
@Kennypowers51
@Kennypowers51 14 күн бұрын
Im a knights fan. I LOL'd when the fans boo'd Stone everytime he touched the puck.
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 14 күн бұрын
Just complain about LTIR it's a hilarious gotcha on the Knights
@hockey_highlights_and_more
@hockey_highlights_and_more 14 күн бұрын
@@shinyuta no you can’t, watching it is much different than living it
@jeffmcneill5922
@jeffmcneill5922 14 күн бұрын
Very classy to call out Bob Cole.
@murrethmedia
@murrethmedia 14 күн бұрын
I don't blame the Vegas LTIRs, I blame the league.
@ace2585
@ace2585 14 күн бұрын
Just mad my team didn't think of this con first 😂
@willsee7452
@willsee7452 14 күн бұрын
@@CL-ie5fz100% false.
@OWlsfordshire
@OWlsfordshire 14 күн бұрын
​@@willsee7452He means to the same extent. Vegas is 14 mil over cap
@ryanc9888
@ryanc9888 14 күн бұрын
@@ace2585 Tampa Bay did it first when they kept Kucherov and his 9.5m cap hit off the payroll for the entire 2020-21 season allowing them to re sign other players and add at the deadline. When the playoffs started Kuchervov was suddenly ready to play lol
@GJMinimizer
@GJMinimizer 14 күн бұрын
As a VGK fan, my favorite part is everyone getting mad at us and calling us cheaters when we pull off trades like we did for Hanifin, Mantha, and Hertl. No one is holding a gun to these other general managers and making them trade with us! If they think we are cheating like all the fans do, then why do all these GMs keep helping us and trade us these players? If we are the villains and the cheaters of the NHL, why do other teams keep trading us star players if they all feel the same as the fans do? It just makes me laugh at how salty people can be! Call it what you like, but you have to respect how the front office goes about acquiring talent!
@modernwarfaremaniac12
@modernwarfaremaniac12 14 күн бұрын
The knowledge you have of the game is so good. Can’t wait to see you breakdown other series for these playoffs
@patrickn594
@patrickn594 14 күн бұрын
Once hockey stops in the summer, you should make a video about every team and why they didnt make the playoffs or were eliminating
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
UrinatingTree will have you covered.
@patrickn594
@patrickn594 12 күн бұрын
@DiogenesTheCynic. Who is Urinating Tree?
@Alex-oe2kk
@Alex-oe2kk 14 күн бұрын
blame the NHL, Tampa did it too.🤷‍♂️
@joshuagagnon8387
@joshuagagnon8387 14 күн бұрын
I hate Tampa too 🤣
@mpreuss2
@mpreuss2 14 күн бұрын
The Blackhawks did it before Tampa 🤷‍♂️
@bigprovos12
@bigprovos12 14 күн бұрын
That’s a lot of 🤷‍♂️
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
17 teams above the cap, 12 in the playoffs, Leafs (98m) and Bolts (93m) are losing right now. Its not just about the salary cap circumvention, its about picking the right guys to fill up the slot left behind by injured players.
@gabrielidusogie9189
@gabrielidusogie9189 14 күн бұрын
them bolts bout to be swept
@bartsanders1553
@bartsanders1553 14 күн бұрын
Vegas is putting on a clinic on how to make Shannon Skanes Drink.
@williammontroy9024
@williammontroy9024 14 күн бұрын
Those Dallas pint glasses ain't gonna have time to ever get frosted at this rate
@lewissemajay8789
@lewissemajay8789 14 күн бұрын
Sour grapes by what can only be a Leafs fan. Too bad Toronto's front office has been circling the drain for many consecutive decades. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard. When up and down the franchise there is no personal awareness of how mediocre you are - and when you are mediocre, you are always at your best.
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 13 күн бұрын
I mean he did buy them just to drink out of them when Dallas bows out, he just didnt expect round 1
@waynegreen7634
@waynegreen7634 3 күн бұрын
​@@DiogenesTheCynic.Lmfao funny how Vegas got punked in game 7 😂
@thedistrict95
@thedistrict95 14 күн бұрын
Last 15 seasons, 2009 Sharks, 2012 Canucks, 2015 & 2020 Blues, 2017 Blackhawks, & 2019 Flames. What do they have in common? No.1 seeds in the West that flamed out in Round One and only the Sharks and Blues(both years) made it to a Game 6. Out East, 2010 Capitals(Halaked), 2019 Lightning(Swept) & 2023 Bruins(Playoff Bob) being all time choke jobs. Dallas is fast approaching this bad territory.
@intergalact1659
@intergalact1659 13 күн бұрын
Bruins experienced a Bobbery
@Evan-C
@Evan-C 4 күн бұрын
Vegas lost
@thedistrict95
@thedistrict95 4 күн бұрын
@Evan-C I watched the whole series, Dallas dodged a bullet
@Evan-C
@Evan-C 4 күн бұрын
@@thedistrict95 new champs this year
@dtmuffinman
@dtmuffinman 14 күн бұрын
Panthers fan here, it reminds me of us a couple year ago when we won the Presidents Trophy. Just feels like a team that wins via rush offense just ain't ever gonna get it done in the postseason.
@SourBuddha
@SourBuddha 12 күн бұрын
Also that year we were outscoring our problems, which isnt a way to win a cup
@divakatrina
@divakatrina 8 күн бұрын
Presidents Trophy is a curse!
@kurt9034
@kurt9034 14 күн бұрын
I hate the league just lets this happen. I am especially salty due to the Lighting being 18M over the cap when my Habs lost in the finals.
@babyyoda6549
@babyyoda6549 14 күн бұрын
It is almost impossible to beat Vegas because of how much depth they have ,you pretty much have to play a perfect game. It’s crazy.
@natev580
@natev580 13 күн бұрын
Except the only reason they have that depth is because they abuse LTIR at the trade deadline. Vegas is currently almost 9 million dollars over the cap. Quite convenient for them when the cap is no longer applicable in the playoffs.. Teams should be required to be cap compliant on the last game of the season, and players on LTIR should be eligible to play the last game of the season. If the team is not cap compliant, they should forfeit their playoff eligibility and any player who is not cleared to play game 82 of the regular season should not be eligible to play a single playoff game. That would solve the problem right there. Oh, and that goes for my home team too since they are currently over the cap. There, those should be the new rules.
@DigitalHayds
@DigitalHayds 13 күн бұрын
Yeah it’s almost like if you have more firepower than you’re supposed to be able to afford you’re gonna have more firepower than you’re supposed to be able to afford
@ryanalaniz4525
@ryanalaniz4525 13 күн бұрын
@@natev580every team does it. Colorado did it on their run and so did Tampa back to back. Blame the GMs for voting on it. Our front office is just doing it better than everyone else
@natev580
@natev580 13 күн бұрын
@@ryanalaniz4525 Yeah, they all do it. It is technically within the bounds of the rules. But it needs to stop. And I'm not sitting here saying "Vegas needs to stop abusing the system". I'm an Oilers fan.. They're over the cap too. I'm saying that as a whole, the system needs to change.
@ryanalaniz4525
@ryanalaniz4525 12 күн бұрын
@@natev580 that’s fair. I agree, I think it’ll change soon for all the heat we’re getting for it now
@eldonkozack185
@eldonkozack185 13 күн бұрын
Salary cap should carry right into the playoffs
@ReallyBigToaster
@ReallyBigToaster 14 күн бұрын
This breakdown is incredible, I’ve been a fan for 18 years and I’m learning so much
@joey4222
@joey4222 14 күн бұрын
I’ve been loving them as a new hockey junkie
@liamrose.9
@liamrose.9 12 күн бұрын
@@joey4222welcome to the sport my man. please dont cheer for vegas tho 😂
@ilikerobots3446
@ilikerobots3446 14 күн бұрын
I’m a stars fan but at this point I’ve lost all hope
@Kennypowers51
@Kennypowers51 14 күн бұрын
You guys beat us twice at our place in the wc finals last year. Its not over.
@erikholland8844
@erikholland8844 14 күн бұрын
I'm a Stars fan too and I know holding onto hope right now is hard. But Kenny is right, we took two games from them last year in Vegas. We're not out of it yet.
@paulringgold7715
@paulringgold7715 14 күн бұрын
No, Stars won one game in Vegas and one in Dallas in OT last year.
@dougosullivan7111
@dougosullivan7111 14 күн бұрын
There is no hope when facing a circumvented team. The Kings circumvented in 2014 and won a cup, Chicago did it in 2015 and won a cup, Tampa did it and won a cup, Colorado did it and won a cup, then Vegas did it last year and won a cup, now they did it again this year and are up 2-0 against a really tough team. Vegas's traded for Eichel, a player they couldn't afford and they've been abusing their ltir ever since, even one of their own players went public about how Mcrimmon is abusing ltir. The year they picked up Eichel he had a neck surgery that had never been done before on a player in a contact sport, so Vegas had to put him in to make sure, so there goes Stone on ltir, Eichel plays for a little over a month then goes back on ltir and stone comes off ltir. I learned a long time ago it's a waste of time and money watching the playoffs when a team circumvents, that's why I haven't watched the playoffs since 2019, I've got better things to do than watch a fake champion purchase a cup. If fans were smart they'd boycott the playoffs and the league would lose millions and that garbage loophole would be gone
@merksmovies25
@merksmovies25 14 күн бұрын
@@dougosullivan7111lol you just names teams who won, there are a bunch of forgotten teams that used the ltir that didnt win. Fake champions, guess you’re a fan of a loser organization
@CBXND2
@CBXND2 10 күн бұрын
Your breakdowns are extremely informative and always really well done, I've learned a lot about the small, and previously unseen by me nuances of hockey and makes watching the games a lot more interesting. Love these videos man keep it up.
@maqywhaq
@maqywhaq 14 күн бұрын
Put a cap on LTIR cap overrun or/AND(?) make it count against the next years cap if you roster the player(without said playing replacing someone else who's been injured). So lets say cap overrun with LTIR lets you ice an extra 5%, but if you go over that, the hit counts as a penalty for the upcoming season. This lets you ice replacement or entry level players, but if you're LTIRing a star player to circumvent a salary cap, something like Luongo's recapture rule should take place. If owners/GMs vote on it being too harsh, maybe add in a 1 year mulligan for the first offence, but if it happens consecutively , it counts against the team(which allows teams positioned to leverage it a one time advantage, but maybe have the cap penalty be stiffer so teams can't ride it till their competitive window is entirely closed).
@Dougie-ex1ov
@Dougie-ex1ov 14 күн бұрын
Well if they are put on reserves they are void from playing in the first round or some shit. Or if you aquire more players than the cap allows when they come back you have to sit someone.
@matthewemht9785
@matthewemht9785 12 күн бұрын
I expected a rant but got all learned up! Thx. I didn’t want to but you made me subscribe with your quality content!
@_bits_and_bytes
@_bits_and_bytes 13 күн бұрын
as a stars fan who never played hockey and knows very little about the X's and O's of the sport, thanks for the video! Vegas was the team I wanted to play the least going into the playoffs and it's nice to have a video that lays out why they're such a tough match up for us and how we're trying to respond.
@DrDoom-bl1sk
@DrDoom-bl1sk 14 күн бұрын
I am so pissed. The ONLY team I wanted to avoid (at least in the Western Conference) was the Golden Knights. As soon as I saw we had them as our opponent, I had the feeling in my gut that we were screwed. They always seem to have the Stars' number.
@borrow4654
@borrow4654 14 күн бұрын
Hard not to when you load up on 3 superstars players while your captain sits pretty with a "lacerated splean". Miracle recovery. As he does every year I dont see how vagas wont win the cup. And if they do, the NHL will be worse for it. Not a serious league
@Kennypowers51
@Kennypowers51 14 күн бұрын
We Knights fans were more afraid of Edmonton and I 35% think they lost to the ducks on purpose. Also, if the Cannucks throw a game, is it on porpoise.
@Jedalgo
@Jedalgo 14 күн бұрын
He just explained why they have a better match up against the Stars. it's no mystery. it's up to the coaching staff to fix it
@HalfNHalf.
@HalfNHalf. 14 күн бұрын
@@borrow4654who tf is VAGAS?
@borrow4654
@borrow4654 14 күн бұрын
@@HalfNHalf. god forbid someone writes a typo
@grahamdamberger7130
@grahamdamberger7130 14 күн бұрын
Bob Cole's best radio call was back in 1976 with the line "They're going home. The Russians are going home." Flyers defenceman Ed Van Imp made a big hit on Red Army forward Valery Kharlamov during a Canada Cup game, which started causing frustrations to boil over for the Red Army team on the Flyers' Broad Street Bullies style of hockey, ending with the Red Army squad walking back to the dressing room before the game's conclusion (they would go back out to finish the game. Or the hit occurred in the third period and became their breaking point which caused them to give up and head down the tunnel.
@burtmann3921
@burtmann3921 14 күн бұрын
love the analogy on this chanel. Well done !! and very nice touch with the Bob Cole tribute "Oh baby "
@nomimalone7520
@nomimalone7520 12 күн бұрын
Classy tribute to Bob Cole at the end. He's a legend. Oh baby!
@coryernewein
@coryernewein 14 күн бұрын
RIP to an absolute legend 🙌 🙏
@wm9312
@wm9312 14 күн бұрын
The salary cap isn't really about having a level playing field. It's about keeping salaries down for the majority of players. I can't recall the players name, but he was a key penalty/defensive player for the Red Wings Cup teams, and he signed with the Bruins for $5 million a season. A lot of money. It opened the flood gates on salaries and the league figured they had to do something to protect it from themselves so they followed the NFL
@dereksbooks
@dereksbooks 13 күн бұрын
Who knew that market manipulation would be a bad thing, just like in the real world when the government cannot keep its nasty hands off the free market? The Tampa Rays and Oakland A's prove most of the time that a hard salary cap isn't necessary for a team to be competitive, and the Yankees and Angels keep proving that you can't just buy championships.
@joonaoinonen9966
@joonaoinonen9966 14 күн бұрын
Awesome video. Keep hustling g🔥🔥
@je7055
@je7055 2 күн бұрын
Stars fan here, just wanted to say you hit the nail squarely on the head. Vegas's forecheck gave Dallas all kinds of fits and, as you said, the Stars had to take advantage of their versatility and win with an approach a bit outside their comfort zone. The hard-skating fourth line was brilliant all series and scored a few goals, including Faksa's series-winner in Game 7 off a nice meat-and-potatoes cycle following a Harley pinch to keep the puck in. The skill players, rather than racking up the chances off the rush like they did in the regular season, were usually forced to wait until a Vegas miscue and then pounce, as with Johnston's beautiful unassisted goal to open the scoring in Game 7. Really nice analysis here, you called the series to a T.
@primer16
@primer16 14 күн бұрын
Tampa started it a few years ago
@kickthesky
@kickthesky 13 күн бұрын
Chicago taught them first, actually.
@doublestrokeroll
@doublestrokeroll 14 күн бұрын
Bob Cole. Absolute legend. Him and Harry were a great combination.
@michaelzilkowsky2936
@michaelzilkowsky2936 14 күн бұрын
Harry Neale was the best color man, hands down. During a game in Winnipeg, a TV light started flashing like mad, necessitating a halt to the game till it could be repaired. Harry said to Don Whitman, 'it looks like a concert in here from The Iron Maiden, or one of those bands that you listen to.' At a Philly game, the camera held on one of the off ice officials who was wearing a helmet at the scorer's desk. "lots of celebrities at the game tonight, Don. There we can see Darth Vader enjoying the play." During an LA playoff game, the camera went to Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman sitting together. "I'll bet its going to be nights of thunder when they get home.'
@deanhil3978
@deanhil3978 14 күн бұрын
BEST 8 minutes on YT! Thanks man.
@mikebarka5626
@mikebarka5626 14 күн бұрын
Loved it when you said he doesn't pick up "sexy numbers" because he's on LTIR :D
@zjsz4954
@zjsz4954 14 күн бұрын
I still can’t believe they interviewed Stone at Dallas’ barn, that’s some WWE level trolling
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 14 күн бұрын
On the upside it drowned out her dumb questions
@selfaccountable3464
@selfaccountable3464 12 күн бұрын
@@liljoe31 Leah Hextall only has a spot in the NHL game crews because of her uncle. I once trolled her wiklpedia page and called her the worst play by play hockey announcer on a major network in the last 25 years.
@spencerstewart8765
@spencerstewart8765 14 күн бұрын
Just would like to clarify when it comes to players who are on the LTIR the nhl does get involved with their own doctors to follow up on players recovery and injuries to insure they are legitimate and not sandbagging for playoffs. Now could mark stone of started a week or 2 earlier maybe but if it’s within a week or 2 window any team would take advantage of the LTIR and done the same. Whether you agree or not mark stone had a legitimate injury that any playoff team would have taken the same advantage of.
@Srdjana-
@Srdjana- 14 күн бұрын
He wasn't injured to begin with, get real.
@lvhatrick
@lvhatrick 14 күн бұрын
@@Srdjana-where do you get your information. I’d like to see your source besides the voices in your head.
@spencerstewart8765
@spencerstewart8765 14 күн бұрын
@@Srdjana- please show me where doctors said his liver wasn’t lacerated.
@pmczapczara5332
@pmczapczara5332 13 күн бұрын
​@@lvhatrick and you got you info.. ..."because vegas said so." Correct?
@pmczapczara5332
@pmczapczara5332 13 күн бұрын
​@@spencerstewart8765please show what they said was verified....you know it wasn't. They don't give out any injury details.. (like Tor/ Nylander) "Lacarated spleen" recovery time is generally a longer window. And, how astoundingly coincidental stones recovery 'just happened' to perfectly coincide with trade deadlines and first day of playoffs simultaneously. It's amazing, it's a miracle....or...it's blatant abuse of the system. Tampa did it too, egregiously, miss most of the season and returns for game 1..? BS. league and owners need to initiate some changes to prevent abuse in this area. It undermines the integrity of the sport to let it go like this.
@ledovegas
@ledovegas 12 күн бұрын
Great video on explaining how Vegas D system match up well with Stars O system. I was wrong thinking this is just another bash on how Vegas uses LITR...
@randomjoker7802
@randomjoker7802 14 күн бұрын
Great vid bro enjoyed it never miss
@bousestudios6488
@bousestudios6488 14 күн бұрын
From what I saw the stars have the same problem as last year.
@EPiche09
@EPiche09 14 күн бұрын
It's an insane storyline. So easy to play the heal for Vegas. Someone's gotta do it.
@rickhammond2473
@rickhammond2473 14 күн бұрын
See if my 755.00 on Vegas to take the cup works out.I have been purchasing slips November
@williamcollins5688
@williamcollins5688 14 күн бұрын
This is a solid tactical breakdown 💡 Great work 👉
@adamryan7703
@adamryan7703 12 күн бұрын
You honestly have the best content out there..thank you!
@Giantstalking
@Giantstalking 14 күн бұрын
The LTIR thing has been a loophole for like 5 years. It’s just on other teams for not having good management lol.
@csharp48
@csharp48 13 күн бұрын
Tampa Bay complained that Blackhawks exploited it in 2015 when Patrick Kane returned in the playoffs. Then, because the NHL wouldn't close it, they took advantage of it, too. The point is, closer to 10 years.
@DigitalHayds
@DigitalHayds 13 күн бұрын
Cheating isn’t good management lmao I’m not against cannibalism because I wish I could eat people. Only people who say this don’t gaf about the game or its integrity
@tromedl
@tromedl 12 күн бұрын
They should really close it and not remove it for the playoffs
@danolsen7405
@danolsen7405 12 күн бұрын
Teams voted 29 - 1 to keep the rule in 2015.
@csharp48
@csharp48 12 күн бұрын
@@danolsen7405 AND expressed zero interest in even voting on it again. We'll see next Governors Meeting, but this year it was, according to Elliot Friedman, a 45 second conversation of "figure out a solution and present it."
@austinbeck2896
@austinbeck2896 14 күн бұрын
You know, i would say fair to most of your points, but since joining the hockey fan club back in the inaugural season for vegas all i have seen is the DEFINITION of COACH AND FRONT OFFICE difference. At one point this season especially in their slide from top 3 in the west, vegas had 2 forward and a defensive line on IR, sorry we didn't go down and get knocked out of the playoff race. Also, series ain't over till someone wins 4, still a chance to win even if it's deboer lol.
@goleavesgo1967
@goleavesgo1967 14 күн бұрын
“Joining hockey in the inaugural season for Vegas” followed by that shit take makes sense
@benjaminstrawson1442
@benjaminstrawson1442 13 күн бұрын
I learn so much from your videos. Sportsnet should take a lesson here, it's more then just showing highlights. Good stuff my dude. Go Oilers.
@thewat3rcompany
@thewat3rcompany 14 күн бұрын
Well said, as usual. This can spell real trouble for the league & reward the lack of loyalty in players like Eichel. The players reluctant to stay with franchises stand to benefit too much from this team's philosophy unless other teams match it
@cs1458
@cs1458 14 күн бұрын
I could never hate Stoney. He exposed what a dirty player PK Subban always was deep down.
@HalfNHalf.
@HalfNHalf. 14 күн бұрын
So true
@ericvanvlandren8987
@ericvanvlandren8987 14 күн бұрын
Tampa Bay 2021 playoffs, the miracle healing Kucherov trick. Ask Montreal how they feel.
@dstefaniuk5741
@dstefaniuk5741 13 күн бұрын
Also, out of curiosity does anyone else think seeding doesn’t matter in the postseason? Honestly playoffs and RGSZN are 2 different games. Some teams are built for it (Vegas, Tampa, former Chicago and LA teams, Avs, etc..) and some teams just aren’t because of top heavy teams (Dallas, Toronto, Edmonton). Truth is you can’t load up on 1-2 lines, you need those 3-4 line guys to be just as good
@giffwingsg3402
@giffwingsg3402 14 күн бұрын
Great video.
@jameschristian192
@jameschristian192 14 күн бұрын
Vegas on their joker arc and I love it
@user-bu7eo9vi9q
@user-bu7eo9vi9q 14 күн бұрын
Can you make a dahlin or Josi breakdown?
@user-qr5rz3xg4q
@user-qr5rz3xg4q 14 күн бұрын
Tampa used to do this as well with their players. It’s not just Vegas. If people don’t like it, then the NHL needs to change the rules. Until then, teams will keep doing it.
@Cyclonetic
@Cyclonetic 14 күн бұрын
I love the Vegas Golden Knights. Go Knights 👍👍🎉🎉
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 13 күн бұрын
The entire blue collar population of Las Vegas is with you on this comment
@selfaccountable3464
@selfaccountable3464 12 күн бұрын
Feels good to cheat the system and stack the team with a way over the cap trick....... Being rewarded for getting injured. Shameful.
@Cyclonetic
@Cyclonetic 12 күн бұрын
@@selfaccountable3464 I honestly don’t care. I based my teams off of their colors and logos, with the exception of my favorite teams stay my favorites and Vegas is one of them. I don’t care about the behind the scene of the teams
@selfaccountable3464
@selfaccountable3464 12 күн бұрын
@@Cyclonetic Cool.... so you prefer to be ignorant that your team is cheating. So you are ignorant indeed.
@Cyclonetic
@Cyclonetic 11 күн бұрын
@@selfaccountable3464 other teams have done it before so it isn’t cheating
@travzimmerman1340
@travzimmerman1340 14 күн бұрын
They've literally done nothing wrong. Some GMs are playing chess while most are playing checkers.
@CJ-1776
@CJ-1776 14 күн бұрын
Riiight. Cuz no other professional GM could ever figure out what a bunch of dipshit fans easily can. Everyone knows ‘how’ to do this. Vegas chooses to do so and most other teams don’t. You can agree or disagree with either philosophy but this ain’t rocket science man.
@sports2hedz542
@sports2hedz542 14 күн бұрын
Definitely one way of looking at it. Lacks integrity and no one would bat an eye if this was purely the corporate world. But it's not. It's a corporation...but it is also professional sports. Where the integrity of a sport and a code of honor tends to be held hallow. I am fairly indifferent personally, being a part of that corporate world. But fans pay a good chunk of the bills in this sport and a lot of them are not happy.
@armstrongaddy1155
@armstrongaddy1155 14 күн бұрын
​@sports2hedz542 boo hoo fans are crybabies
@R6W2
@R6W2 14 күн бұрын
@@armstrongaddy1155when it’s not their team doing it right, they complain
@kattankarl
@kattankarl 14 күн бұрын
Some GMs are playing fairly and some have no shame* But all GMs should start cheating aswell so this loophole gets fixed
@hardware1197
@hardware1197 13 күн бұрын
Time to rename the channel: Hockey Psychiatry - Based on the social media reaction from the Victor E. Greenies you should send them a bill for this piece of therapy….awesome job pointing out the *real* reason the VGK are running over Dallas while at the same time making them feel like it’s not their coach’s fault.
@SulliverVittles
@SulliverVittles 13 күн бұрын
Honestly a shame how Vegas is the only one over the cap and doing so well. Wait, two other teams are even more over cap? And not doing as well? Weird how that works.
@Nahash5150
@Nahash5150 14 күн бұрын
Waiting for Benn to deliver the cross-check we all want to see again.
@neeltheother2342
@neeltheother2342 14 күн бұрын
And then get suspended for the remainder of the series, aka 1 game.
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
And give Vegas more LTIR money? You sure about that?
@Mizuxes
@Mizuxes 14 күн бұрын
Dallas, always classy in losing.
@butterbutter-zp7ie
@butterbutter-zp7ie 14 күн бұрын
He'll probably fake another untouched fall first.
@rsuninv
@rsuninv 14 күн бұрын
Wanting a player hurt while screaming LTIR Cheats isn’t a good look slick. You’re obviously emotionally immature and a super fan of Dirty Dallas Fans throwing popcorn. Stay classy, even if you can’t.
@bdbdkdfotbrveiw
@bdbdkdfotbrveiw 14 күн бұрын
Seeing the length of some of these guys sticks, really really makes you wonder if there needs to be some sort of length restriction
@dawnsempire8510
@dawnsempire8510 14 күн бұрын
there are restrictions. 63" heel to butt-end for the shaft, 12.5" heel to toe for the blade. special requests for extensions must be made in writing, will only be granted to players 6'6" or taller, and only extend the shaft length from 63" to 65" max. whether the players actually follow that, or the teams have a MAD pact and don't call BS on illegal player sticks is a different matter. but there are rules on the books that restrict equipment size.
@garylau702
@garylau702 13 күн бұрын
13 out of 16 playoff teams are currently over the cap. To assume that Vegas is the only team doing this is not accurate.
@moharikram1687
@moharikram1687 14 күн бұрын
Personally for me, I don't get mad at VGK LTIR shenanigans. VGK did LTIR what is suppose to do - Give a leeway for players who injured during middle of the season that will prevent them from playing for all the rest of the season (Stones played 56 games this year and got a spleen injury). Same as Hawks did in 15 where Kane played 61 games and we saw him fall injured in the game. Tampa is the villain with Kucherov shenanigans in 20/21. He did not play a single game yet the LTIR still active. They also got dead contract such as Gaborik and Seabrook to extend the leeway. Tampa should be the one we condemn. Not VGK or Hawks. VGK and Hawks use the system properly. Tampa GAME the system.
@ethanparker7900
@ethanparker7900 14 күн бұрын
seabrooks contract didnt come till after 2021 and kucherov was actually hurt.
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
@@ethanparker7900 So was Mark Stone. All of you are the conspiritards claiming he wasn't. And no, Kucherov timed his surgery to miss the whole regular season. He played with that injury the season before.
@kjoeyb.
@kjoeyb. 14 күн бұрын
They all gamed it. Cope bandwagoner
@kattankarl
@kattankarl 14 күн бұрын
Are you the only guy VGK fooled? Second year in a row they are abusing a loophole.
@ethanparker7900
@ethanparker7900 14 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesTheCynic. from what I heard that injury was first sustained in the bubble over the summer
@jeffadventures1
@jeffadventures1 14 күн бұрын
as a Vegas fans... we LOVE the haters! hugs guys!!!
@Ando2k10
@Ando2k10 13 күн бұрын
Stone was out for eight weeks, for an injury/surgery that had a typical recuperation period of four to six weeks. Because of past allegations with Chicago and Kane, Tampa and Kucherov, I'd guarantee that the NHL was double checking Stone's situation to ensure it was legitimate. The LTIR rule is a good rule as it allows teams to take action to maintain a level of success when someone's out long term, because it allows them to call up players from the minors, or make trades or signings to fill the roster back up. If that player comes back, off of LTIR, then the team has to do some shuffling or dealing to get back under the cap. One reasonable way to fix this would be for players that were on LTIR at the end of the season to be prohibited from playing in the first round of the playoffs. Another would be to implement a salary cap for the post season.
@davidbrown180
@davidbrown180 13 күн бұрын
Being booed by the home team, your doing something right
@guruntbangoo5686
@guruntbangoo5686 14 күн бұрын
What's even worse, is they shoot pucks at the opponent's net after they pull their goalie. It's like cheating! They can't keep getting away with it!
@isaiahaguilera7710
@isaiahaguilera7710 14 күн бұрын
🤣
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 13 күн бұрын
Oh nooooooo 😂
@unclebitchie
@unclebitchie 13 күн бұрын
So classy of you to end that very entertaining and thoughtful video with a tribute to the late, great Bob Cole. I, too, remember growing up with his commentary and am sorry to hear of his passing. I have so much more to say about the Las Vegas Injured Reserves, whom I hate as much as everyone else does, but I guess you've said it all already. So thank you for saluting a hockey legend.
@thomas10101
@thomas10101 14 күн бұрын
Vegas beating Dallas this year is nothing new. They won all 3 regular season games.
@merksmovies25
@merksmovies25 14 күн бұрын
Dallas winning the series
@dstefaniuk5741
@dstefaniuk5741 13 күн бұрын
@@merksmovies25in what world is Dallas beating a team that’s miles better than them
@merksmovies25
@merksmovies25 13 күн бұрын
@@dstefaniuk5741 it’s hockey playoffs, anything can happen. Maybe dallas hasnt reached their peak or vegas will take their foot off the gas believing they already won the series
@dstefaniuk5741
@dstefaniuk5741 13 күн бұрын
@@merksmovies25 this Vegas team is very similar to their cup winning team, I can’t pinpoint exactly who left, but Smith was the big one, however adding Hertl and Hanafin doesn’t take away the mentality of the team so I don’t think that’ll be an issue
@merksmovies25
@merksmovies25 13 күн бұрын
@@dstefaniuk5741 yeah smith was the only one that left. You’re right. But maybe vegas will be so cocky thinking the solved dallas after dominating in the wcf last year, sweeping the season this year, and now winning these two games. I can see vegas taking their foot off tha gas allowing dallas to find their game and dominate
@coogan5729
@coogan5729 13 күн бұрын
Can't fault 'em because, ya know, Chicago & Tampa, but it sucks to hear the owners, presidents, gms, etc. reportedly don't think its a problem and are ignoring fan sentiment. Mark Stone has always been one of the most impressive defensive players of the past decade. When he went to Vegas, I was ecstatic. Not only had I become a fan of Stone for his play through tough Ottawa times, but I was an even bigger Vegas fan for the misfit tenacity from year one and how legitimate they were from the get go. Almost exciting to hate them now.
@RobdaVegasMailman
@RobdaVegasMailman 13 күн бұрын
4:50 LTIR = Logan Thompson Is Ridiculous.
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 14 күн бұрын
Even without Stone, Hertl, and Hanafin, the Knights would still be beating the snot out of the Stars. Like the Stars had a really easy final stretch compared to the Jets and Avs.
@chairmanofthebored6860
@chairmanofthebored6860 14 күн бұрын
Uh ok bud.
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 14 күн бұрын
@@chairmanofthebored6860 Not wrong.
@JT-yl9yt
@JT-yl9yt 12 күн бұрын
Hanifin literally scored in a 2-1 win both games Stars had a chance advantage in shots and now got creamed in game 3 while Vegas goalie stood on his head and still lost. All of those guys have been big contributors you cannot be this ignorant.
@BrodyJones-fp2bb
@BrodyJones-fp2bb 14 күн бұрын
As a knights fan I do understand where the hate is coming from but then again I don’t as we are just using the rules to our advantages and our gm is crazy
@toke7342
@toke7342 14 күн бұрын
That's because you're not a real hockey fan.
@AnAverageCitizen
@AnAverageCitizen 9 күн бұрын
Awesome amount of information!
@hootiehome
@hootiehome 13 күн бұрын
Great job!!
@vaughnjohnson5484
@vaughnjohnson5484 14 күн бұрын
You’ve gotta play the game you’re in! This is NOT AGAINST THE RULES. Can you imagine a professional soccer team NEVER trying to sell a penalty because it’s dumb? They do that, because it has become part of the game itself. Don’t hate Vegas just because they are better at maximizing their success within the rules. I don’t like it either, but they are hardly the only ones that do it. To the haters, the only crime is that they do it better than YOUR team.
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 14 күн бұрын
True but Vegas Derangement is real. Talking to these folks is a waste of time my friend
@toke7342
@toke7342 14 күн бұрын
Sure, but then i hope i dont hear a word from you when a player like Marchand does something...
@cackoocacho1629
@cackoocacho1629 14 күн бұрын
Getting away with what? Following the rules? If people want the rules changed and fixed, then bark at the league. Insulting the team that uses the means they can to win, will lead nowhere. Fix the rules, and Vegas will never be able to do it again. Quite simple.
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 14 күн бұрын
But then their teams wont be able to stack the roster too so it wont happen
@tjyankowich7082
@tjyankowich7082 14 күн бұрын
Good vid bro, I think your the best hockey KZfaqr
@doogan5875
@doogan5875 13 күн бұрын
Based on the title I thought this was gonna be a Vegas are cheaters sob story but this is some impressive tape breakdown. You've gained a follower in me
@ThunderStruck94660
@ThunderStruck94660 10 күн бұрын
I saw Vegas fans complaining about ricocheting a puck off a goalie's head....ha ha ha
@untoxify1080
@untoxify1080 14 күн бұрын
People dont know that the lightning and leafs have more LTIR used and overall cap used, but we wanna shift all our attention to vegas because their the better team?
@SleepBomber
@SleepBomber 14 күн бұрын
Exactly
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
They are mad over Hanifin and Hertl, the cap space is an excuse
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 13 күн бұрын
Theyre definitely mad about something arent they
@garyelder4610
@garyelder4610 13 күн бұрын
Have those teams had the same player go out 3 years in a row and then rebuilt their team with that cap space only to have the LTIR player come back?
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 13 күн бұрын
@@garyelder4610 It wasnt 3 times, guess you are just another room temp IQ headline reader only
@catmelvin997
@catmelvin997 14 күн бұрын
i dont think it's an issue, Vegas almost missed the playoffs, any team can do what theyre doing, they took a calculated risk and it's paying off
@borrow4654
@borrow4654 14 күн бұрын
You cant if you dont have millions sitting away in LTIR right before the trade deadline
@HalfNHalf.
@HalfNHalf. 14 күн бұрын
@@borrow4654boo hoo😭😂
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
@@borrow4654 Then why did 17 team teams finish the season above the cap? 12 of them are in the playoffs, and Vegas isn't even the most loaded team, its the Maple Leafs, and they are losing.
@borrow4654
@borrow4654 14 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesTheCynic. lmao i just checker and saw that the leafs are st 97M technically while Vegas is at 92M No idea of the team they are putting on the ice is cap compliant, but i can admit that this shit got me rilled up because it works for vegas more so than any other team. I cant deny Vehas has top notch management and coaching staff. Id be over the moon if my team could do this, but what can i say. I hate Vegas so sue me
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
@@borrow4654 So long as you know and acknowledge Vegas isnt even the worst offender, let alone the only one doing it, I dont care that you hate Vegas.
@steverobinson8771
@steverobinson8771 13 күн бұрын
The final is gonna be a replay of Vegas vs Florida 👈
@MadLadJay98
@MadLadJay98 13 күн бұрын
The knights are the 80's raiders of hockey I love it
@caperboy1169
@caperboy1169 14 күн бұрын
They’re not breaking any rules
@devinlapointe6257
@devinlapointe6257 14 күн бұрын
They're breaking everyone's hearts though and pissing everyone off
@caperboy1169
@caperboy1169 14 күн бұрын
@@devinlapointe6257 than they should do the same.
@DigitalHayds
@DigitalHayds 13 күн бұрын
Yes they are. LTIR stands for long term injury reserve. Hope this helps
@HopefulNihilist
@HopefulNihilist 11 күн бұрын
​@@DigitalHayds If they're breaking the rules then why isn't the League punishing them? And the Leafs?? And Tampa?? And every other Team that's over the cap??
@DigitalHayds
@DigitalHayds 11 күн бұрын
@@HopefulNihilist for the same reason congressmen practice insider trading, it’s a conflict of interest. Also do you know how much money Vegas makes the league?
@Lakingsfan140
@Lakingsfan140 14 күн бұрын
It isn’t against the rules yet 11 teams got penalized for being over the cap except Vegas. Something is fishy here.
@928frogman
@928frogman 13 күн бұрын
Solid analysis, +1 sub.
@jason.hartson
@jason.hartson 14 күн бұрын
There are a few teams each year who do well, or perhaps extraordinary in the regular season, who fizzle out in the playoffs. In the east it's usually the Maple Leafs and in the last few years it's been the Oilers in the west. This year it's my personal belief that the Stars are one of those teams this year. This matchup did them no favors, although I would have thought it would take longer for Vegas to get their playoff legs and expose Dallas. Given the competition in the west, I didn't like the Stars chances coming into the playoffs, even if they squeeze though round 1.
@Spewf
@Spewf 14 күн бұрын
OW Mah SPLEEEN!....whats that playoffs ok all better
@charlesgallagher1376
@charlesgallagher1376 14 күн бұрын
Hometown Sabres fan since Day One, 13 years without a playoff game? Living in Vegas now and a VGK fan since Day One. The Stanley Cup in 6? Hockey has its extremes. And I’m loving watching the Stars lose remembering the Sabres/Stars 1999 final “Foot in the crease.” VGK REPEAT!
@selfaccountable3464
@selfaccountable3464 12 күн бұрын
It was a legal goal. Your city and your team are forever owned by Dallas teams in championships.
@JT-yl9yt
@JT-yl9yt 12 күн бұрын
@@selfaccountable3464 it definitely wasn't legal by any measure....
@charlesgallagher1376
@charlesgallagher1376 11 күн бұрын
@@selfaccountable3464 there’s wasn’t a replay. There was goalie interference.
@selfaccountable3464
@selfaccountable3464 4 күн бұрын
@@charlesgallagher1376 Cry harder. We still have a Stanley Cup banner and our names on the Cup. Buffalo? Never!
@hudlsports
@hudlsports 14 күн бұрын
Is it me or does Mark Stone look like Lord Farquad from Shrek?
@dstefaniuk5741
@dstefaniuk5741 13 күн бұрын
😂I’m a Vegas fan and that’s too accurate. Time to make an edit
@trystanlewis4590
@trystanlewis4590 14 күн бұрын
Didn’t the lighting do this a couple years ago?
@bransenmacdonald6880
@bransenmacdonald6880 14 күн бұрын
If the cap doesn't get fixed I'm boycotting the playoffs, the only way for it to get fixed is if the leauge has a financial reason to do so.
@junemyers6275
@junemyers6275 14 күн бұрын
Bye!
@robertnorman2508
@robertnorman2508 14 күн бұрын
They will feel your absence I'm sure. hahaha
@thefriesens1071
@thefriesens1071 14 күн бұрын
It would be so good if the Jets met them in the second round. Then the fans could chant "LTIR"
@user-bi6yf4hv9g
@user-bi6yf4hv9g 14 күн бұрын
I hope Jets meet them in 2nd round....I think they have a better chance beating Vegas than Avs imo.... Jets have the big guys and goaltending to.give Vegas s run for their money....Go jets!
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 14 күн бұрын
Logan Thompson Is Ridiculuzzz
@user-bi6yf4hv9g
@user-bi6yf4hv9g 13 күн бұрын
@@liljoe31 You're only as good as your defense. If Stars or Jets can they break that line, he can be vulnerable - exposed..
@tatendamavunga6817
@tatendamavunga6817 14 күн бұрын
What if they changed the LTIR rule to a player can come back if the team makes it through to the second round (if he is playoff ready. which should be sus to say because he getting is getting ready for playoffs)or when they in the cup final? Since the team already got a replacement for him to get them to playoffs so they can do a push without the LTIR player but can at least give him the opportunity to win a ring since the injury was beyond his control. Idk though but if this becomes a correlation thing, then i think the league has to do something about it.
@KyleMcCarley
@KyleMcCarley 12 күн бұрын
I don't understand why the salary cap just disappears in the playoffs. I mean we all know the rules aren't enforced the same in the postseason, but they're not supposed to completely change. How many teams have to blatantly exploit this loophole before the league does something about it?
@ChippyHOCKEY2552
@ChippyHOCKEY2552 14 күн бұрын
My top 5 least favorite teams 5.Vegas Golden knights 4.Vegas Golden Knights 3.Vegas Golden Knights 2.Vegas Golden Knights 1.Vegas Golden Knights
@Middyman43
@Middyman43 14 күн бұрын
Honorable mention goes to the Vegas Golden Knights
@collasalbot7900
@collasalbot7900 14 күн бұрын
@@Middyman43you forgot the Vegas golden knights😭
@DiogenesTheCynic.
@DiogenesTheCynic. 14 күн бұрын
You are coping Coping and seething You just can't accept what you're seeing Yes, you're coping Coping and seething The truth it is scalding And now you are malding And coping Coping so hard 😂😂😂😂😂
@soulknife20
@soulknife20 14 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesTheCynic. What are you? 12?
@ChippyHOCKEY2552
@ChippyHOCKEY2552 14 күн бұрын
@@DiogenesTheCynic. what?
@anthonystamper3355
@anthonystamper3355 14 күн бұрын
Hell yeah!!! VGK back to back Stanley Cup Campions. Or did I miss the moral of the story here 😂
@vinceschryver5676
@vinceschryver5676 14 күн бұрын
lol, morals and Vegas is an oxymoron.
@sheamceachrane-johnson7718
@sheamceachrane-johnson7718 13 күн бұрын
Great nod to Bob Cole! What a legend.
@vargviper7192
@vargviper7192 11 күн бұрын
Frankly, a no cap league would be better than the current situation IMO. With the elimination of re-seeding each round and the parity created by the cap era, there is much less downside for lower seeded teams. Add cap manipulation and there you have it. That said, all teams are governed by the same rules and just like on the ice, some are better at playing the system than others. R.I.P B.C.
@shinyuta
@shinyuta 14 күн бұрын
Ugh, you too. Whatever, let us be the villains of the league. Not like, chicago and tampa have won cups doing the same thing, and that we aren't even the highest ltir or cap usage.
@hockeypsychology
@hockeypsychology 14 күн бұрын
I personally don’t care that Vegas leveraged the LTIR space. 31 other teams could’ve done the same thing…and they chose not to. Gotta respect the balls of Vegas
@shinyuta
@shinyuta 14 күн бұрын
@@hockeypsychology I did still enjoy the video and your analysis is always valued. Its just that the weeks and months of constant hate, that seems to be ramping up is just getting to a lot of us. It gets tiring hearing the same things all across the internet.
@bigprovos12
@bigprovos12 14 күн бұрын
@@hockeypsychologyThats what I’m saying
@GGMatt
@GGMatt 14 күн бұрын
@@shinyuta If everyone is saying it, then maybe people have a point? What Vegas have doing is beyond tedious. I've been so stoked watching my Stars play all season and was so excited for a potential deep playoff run, and then the moment we got matched up against Vegas you just knew it was season over, because of course we get the team who has to jump through loopholes every year. The fact that it's in the rules is irrelevant to how people feel about it. The rules are there to help teams who have players who are actually injured, not teams who are exaggerating their players' health, stacking up an entire new roster for the rest of the season and then magically having everyone on LTIR return just in time for the playoffs. It's an abuse of the system and everyone is fully aware of what they're doing. We don't like you because you're unfairly ruining everyone else's chances at winning a cup, and that dislike for Vegas is completely justified - as it was with Tampa when they did it.
@DigitalHayds
@DigitalHayds 13 күн бұрын
@@hockeypsychologyyeah man it’s badass like everyone could have done what Bernie Madoff did they just weren’t as ballsy hell yeah
@akashdeephothi4137
@akashdeephothi4137 14 күн бұрын
Hopefully the stars can make a comeback!!
@StinkyBoy5.11
@StinkyBoy5.11 14 күн бұрын
Maybe 😂
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