Is The B58 Better Than The S55?
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@andrewharter5476 Жыл бұрын
I have both, and I would say I like the edgy nature of the S55. Not only that, but it revs so much quicker. The B58 is still amazing though and probably a much more comfortable and refined engine. It’s important to note that the B58 is a much simpler engine that is incredible from an engineering standpoint. The low end torque is great and so is the sound.
@i_villa7967 Жыл бұрын
I feel like the b58 and s55 can’t really be compared, as one is made with two turbos for the driving experience. One is a track car, one is a daily driver that just happens to make great power. Both are great motors.
@i_villa7967 Жыл бұрын
I own a 340 btw. Just two different driving experiences. Great video btw:)))
@Mannyox Жыл бұрын
Dont think its meant to be compared more about the differences so people know which one to choose
@MrCougar1825 10 ай бұрын
No there is a reason to compare them 😂 money to power ratio is a big reason s55 is overpriced the b58 will be around way longer
@i_villa7967 10 ай бұрын
@@MrCougar1825 that’s why I own a b58 lol
@MrCougar1825 10 ай бұрын
@@i_villa7967 that’s great but that’s the point I was making the s55 is trash compared to b58 it’s not even a comparison s55 will be a wast of money in 5 years
@nathankeller2870 Жыл бұрын
I have a 23 m240 and I can’t wait to start modding it.
@Bman4717732 Жыл бұрын
Great informative vid! Love the perspectives for each engine
@famousangel8736 Жыл бұрын
I just want a s55 because I know the most I would do is just flash a stage 1 tune, do the crank hub and call it a day.
@crazytingz7006 2 ай бұрын
Same
@stevejohnson2108 11 ай бұрын
I can't wait to have my new M2 and what the mods will be for the new S58. I mean right now it makes close to 500 HP at the wheels from factory, I can't imagine what it will do with a few mods.
@Nick22257 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for this comparison. I am currently cross shopping manual gen 1 b58 and the high mileage s55 dct cars, i dont have any intention of doing more than intake exhaust maybe ethanol. I am concerned that i would eventually regret paying an inflated price for a clean manual b58 just because they are so uncommon, because i put a ton of miles on my cars and would likely lose my shirt on it. I think im going to try for an s55 car for a short term daily just to experience it, while the manual b58s and s65s are still more expensive.
@todddooley793 Жыл бұрын
Good info!
@nathanb5840 Жыл бұрын
Great video great information as always but where can you find upgraded axles?
@bartbersselaar3968 Жыл бұрын
I own a 600hp b58 but i want a s55 because it is just more savage
@ganuv Жыл бұрын
Complete false! The b58 is way stronger then the s55.
@bartbersselaar3968 Жыл бұрын
@@ganuv do you know the difference between strong and savage?
@Oleczek1337 Жыл бұрын
@@bartbersselaar3968 savage, i like it
@Oleczek1337 Жыл бұрын
@@bartbersselaar3968 and incredibly jealous lol
@noahsantourian214 Жыл бұрын
My S55 on ethanol is definitely savage asf… b58 sounds cool but it doesn’t feel as aggressive
@f80e8 Жыл бұрын
Don’t really think the price is a fair argument. An S55 will always be more expensive it’s an M car. Genuine Carbon fibre from BMW is also more expensive for an m3/4 then a m140/240/340 so what’s the point made? A Lamborghini Urus is the same car as an Audi RSQ8 , waste of money then? S55 is much more efficient, Mod for mod will walk a B58. Stage 1 vs Stage 1 , Stage 2 Vs Stage 2 , Stage 3 vs stage 3 , Fully forged Vs fully forged. Each stage on pump fuel 😉 No comparison between them a b58 is the poor man’s M car !
@todddooley793 Жыл бұрын
I have a m240 xdrive and I absolutely love it. I'm at 500whp with pump, getting ready to go port injection and run E. Hoping to see 650whp, just hoping the xdrive can handle that much power
@JordanC717 Жыл бұрын
I believe the m240 transmission would need to be built for that?
@nickgallegos4351 7 ай бұрын
I think so too, you might start slipping in the 600whp range
@lebe0396 7 ай бұрын
You will start to slip in 6th mainly and if your a 16/17 DO YOUR INJECTORS mine just gave out and ruined my engine just after gettign a hybrid turbo
@M240Waheed 6 ай бұрын
F series or G series m240i?
@joseph2456 3 ай бұрын
I own a 440i 2017 very fast car with out the extras, I didn’t think I could beat teslas but I did plain and x model flawless❤.
@Throttleplays Жыл бұрын
Just got my b58 ‘17 440i coupe and have fallen in love lol. Such a great car even from stock
@lukeskywalker1666 8 ай бұрын
I got a 17 plate m140i 3 years ago got it mhd stage 2 with Downpipe xhp3 gearbox tune 455bhp
@noahsantourian214 Жыл бұрын
You also get a DCT with the S55 which IMO is just the cherry on top. DCT will always give the car that race car feel which I love. Especially after the xHP transmission flash
@scherpebocht 2 ай бұрын
Dct feels like its going to break any time, it stalls when going reverse to drive, makes clunky sounds
@Need4Built Жыл бұрын
Im an Audi guy, and I say S58 is king. Easy choice.
@SavageBunny1 Жыл бұрын
The B58 pistons are designed pretty cool. I've never seen a piston design like this, im going to post a video of an S54, N54, B58 video later, piston design is definitely changing.
@tommerlin6579 8 ай бұрын
And why pistons are breaking in B58?
@Bimmer_Bill Жыл бұрын
Well answered. We’re just consumers. Therefore, it’s personal preference and speculation, unless you work for BMW.
@noahsantourian214 Жыл бұрын
Basically the outcome is…. Buy a B58 if you’re poor. The M car will always have that feeling you can’t just replicate.
@TylerC0211 9 ай бұрын
Gahhhhhhh😢
@jdogggful 8 ай бұрын
You realise most b58 powered cars are more expensive than the dinosaur age s55 cars right? Lmfaooo
@J-DD 2 ай бұрын
@@jdogggfulpoor
@crazytingz7006 2 ай бұрын
@@jdogggfulno they're not 💀
@iJustB58 Ай бұрын
@@crazytingz7006 they are lol. A 2023 M340i is 55k+ depending on options. You can find S55 cars on marketplace for high 30s and less depending on mileage. My buddy just bought a pre owned 17’ M3 manual from a BMW dealership for 37k with 43k miles
@ramen9996 Жыл бұрын
if we just talk about the motor itself, b58 all day, it's just better built and easier to work with. However s55 come in M cars with much better chassis, so a bit hard to compare.
@csboi Жыл бұрын
A B58-swap in an F80 sounds pretty nice.
@ramen9996 Жыл бұрын
@@csboi That would be nice. I did see someone on bimmerpost that did a b58 swap into an OG M2. Big hassle tho.
@ThePrestigeification Жыл бұрын
Best chasis so far is the supra, stock b58 supra is beating the s58 m2 stock for stock
@ramen9996 Жыл бұрын
@@ThePrestigeification In terms of what? 0-60? Or around a track? The s58 m2 is really just an m4 with a smaller body kit, it is insanely heavy. Now, the F generation m2 with a b58 in my opinion would definitely beat supra in terms of how it drives and handles. Other than that, no idea.
@ThePrestigeification Жыл бұрын
@@ramen9996 around the track*. 0-60 the s58 m2 won. Savagegeese’s video put both cars head to head on the same track with the same driver, weather, day and what not.
@s7robe297 Жыл бұрын
Yes. Easily
@JXiong-zo8ig 3 күн бұрын
GEN 2 B58TU FT FKING W!!!! HANDS DOWN!!!
@MXSTHATEDTREYFXE 4 ай бұрын
B58 COOL BUT MAN GET YOU A M3 OR A M4 WITH A S55 UPGRADE TO A 4 PIN CRANK HUB FLASH IT,RUN it on e85 easy 550HP TO THE WHEELS
@mthusiastmedia9782 Жыл бұрын
N20 is King LMAO. Seriously though, it's hard to compare an S and B engine because of the platforms. NOW owning a S55 and S58, I'm feeling the effortless power delivery of the S58 over the on edge S55 feeling. S58 feels like a smooth jazz singer. S55 feels like Tweek from South Park. Always cracked out ready to bug out at any moment. That feeling is fun some times but nah. S58 is daddy lol.
@sweatyjaguar Жыл бұрын
N20 gang😂
@Saiyan585 Жыл бұрын
The video is about the B58 not the S58, obviously. S58>B58>S55>N54 with Index 12 and Eldor>N55
@willsmiths6542 2 ай бұрын
that's exactly the good thing lol, never know when the S55 is gonna try to randomly kill you at any point
@jayroberts4900 5 ай бұрын
Almost seems a no brainer to get a b58 if you plan on modding it.. I mean it’d be lovely to say “I own a m3” over a “340i” but not enough to warrant the extra money and maintenance.. Oh, and obviously the m kits you get on the full m cars.. but I guess you can also add that. B58 is surely the best engine for money right now
@edwint1780 Жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the powerband differences. The M motors (s) series are tuned to be more rev happy and generally delivery more power the closer you get to the redline. They have a stronger top end and the torque doesn't fall off like it does in the non-s motors. The b58 is not a motorsports series engine and therefore it's tuned for the low to mid-range rpm torque delivery and they actually feel faster than the s55 at those lower rpms due to more torque. The caveat is that as you get closer to the redline, the torque falls off much earlier on the b58 vs the s55 which is tuned for the high-rev driving on a track. So the difference between the two motors isn't about the absolute power figures but it's about the character of the engine. The two engines are tuned for different applications and have a different character. The b58 gives the car more of a muscle car feel with its low end torque where the s55 gives the car more of the traditional sports car feel with its top end power.
@noahsantourian214 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not true…. On stock turbos all your power is mid range to about 6000 rpm. Only with upgraded turbos that is the case. The S55 is a low end torque monster.
@circle214 10 ай бұрын
@@noahsantourian214you’ve got the engines mixed up buddy lol
@todddooley793 Жыл бұрын
Imagine the s55 or s58 in the supra. Game over. And I only have ever had the b58 and still do, m240 xdrive
@Rookiereece Жыл бұрын
Its coming, special edition with the S58
@astroreign- Жыл бұрын
i think in 2025 the supra is coming out with the s58
@marwood9421 Жыл бұрын
I currently own an M4 but previously an M140i. The S55 makes 500whp with decat downpipes and tune. The old M140i made just under 400whp with the exact same mods. In order to get the B58 to even come near the S55 i would have had to spend another £4-5k on hybrid turbos and Dorch hpfp. At this point i thought, why not just buy the M4/S55? The S55 is a superior engine out of the box.
@francescosaia4475 Жыл бұрын
Not true 140i with this mode is 470 horsepower
@andrxito Жыл бұрын
@@francescosaia4475 with a TU HPFP it's def. not 500whp but close enough... the 140i is 200kg lighter than the m4
@rosemont83 6 ай бұрын
AWD supra wagon = 2020 X3 M40i with the M diff
@goransimic8650 2 ай бұрын
S55🔥🔥🔥
@ranger3213 Жыл бұрын
B58 Never Falling off 😉
@Coverfire92 5 ай бұрын
so its all on the application of the car vs how much you wanna spend.
@ibrahimkarakayali8976 Ай бұрын
S55 is more hardcore and a lot of driving pleasure then a b58
@ELDOUBLES 8 ай бұрын
S58 if I could afford 😅😂
@trillzeeo8451 Жыл бұрын
I found a 340i xdrive with 56,000 selling for 26,995 do I buy?
@Saybank Жыл бұрын
Yes
@George-tj6em Жыл бұрын
yes
@michaellogothetis4144 11 ай бұрын
What about bmw m440i f32? Can we consider same things as 340i?
@tombudziak3107 11 ай бұрын
Yes+it should be lighter
@Slime_threezus 10 ай бұрын
@@tombudziak3107I think the 440i is heavier than the 340i
@stevengarcia6901 Жыл бұрын
Why would you choose the m240 over the m340 xdrive?
@thicwhipsclips Жыл бұрын
New m240 is awd. Smaller, lighter, more nimble..
@Bimmer_Bill Жыл бұрын
@@thicwhipsclipsyup it’s shorter wheelbase makes it just more fun from a handling perspective. Unless you put drag tires on a Supra, it ain’t beating an m240i xdrive if they’re both tuned to 600 whp.
@chrisn6861 Жыл бұрын
Did he sell the m4 gts tho
@therealaa24 Жыл бұрын
Yes
@darylmorse Ай бұрын
Interesting perspective, but your arguments are based as much or more on the cars the engines are in rather than the engines themselves. Except for someone that is buying a car as a platform for mods, most people don't choose a car based on the engine. Personally, I'm not a Supra fan, so that wouldn't be my choice. Comparing a regular BMW with an M is another matter. I would much rather have my M2C than a 240, same for M3 over 340 or M4 over 440. There is no question the S58 is the boss of them all.
@CrazyDingoMan1 Ай бұрын
"Mow-Der" American English for engine.
@andrxito Жыл бұрын
Aftermarket support on the b58 edges s55 by some
@zigzagsk8 Жыл бұрын
What about the s58?
@thariklemos6774 11 ай бұрын
s58 is king
@alvannpham Ай бұрын
which bmw have gen 2 b58?
@JXiong-zo8ig 3 күн бұрын
2020 m340i
@saraandrade1627 8 ай бұрын
Should i get the m240i or m2?
@J-DD 2 ай бұрын
M2
@ibrahimkarakayali8976 Ай бұрын
M2
@maziarzarea2540 5 күн бұрын
S55 and n55 sound way better than the b58
@JXiong-zo8ig 3 күн бұрын
You have to be stupid lol
@Flushandfit Жыл бұрын
B58 TU mo betta?
@kalactose348 Жыл бұрын
S58>S55>B58
@craigtech2000 Жыл бұрын
B58 is way better and it’s not even close coming from a Mechanic 💯
@rwac07 Жыл бұрын
The S55 makes more power for less $ mod for mod. The B58 is a great motor but there is way too much hype for what it is.
@andrxito Жыл бұрын
can't really talk money when comparing them. s55 is terribly pricey to get to begin with
@vincesowavy98 7 ай бұрын
Crankhub
@weirdxphu2854 Жыл бұрын
The s55 would be better than the b58 ONLY if the s55 didn't have the crank hub issue. When you want to do fbo and stage 2 tune, you risk spinning your crankhub on the s55. If you want the crank hub fix on the s55 it is going to cost $3k-$4k just for the fix. Imo the B58 is a better engine only because it is easier to mod and doesn't have a crank hub issue and more reliable. I love the looks of the M4 but if you're talking about price for the power overall, i'd say get the b58. If you plan to go s55 stage 2 fbo and plan to keep it for a long time. Get the crank fix
@tommerlin6579 8 ай бұрын
B58 is a Diesel engine! I don't like it, even it is a relieable, robust engine.
@Edinburgh81 6 ай бұрын
Petrol 3.0 6 cylinder turbo
@francescosaia4475 Жыл бұрын
B58 all-time
@Benjay1975 Жыл бұрын
the answer is YES, the B58 is better in every way.
@fastshiftauto8941 Жыл бұрын
B58 is better simple
@Al-mx6ru 4 ай бұрын
Nither!!! both eat rod bearings. BMW themselves said that rod bearings are consumable..BLAHAHA. rod bearings need to be replaced every 70 to 80k. That's Freaking Ridiculous. BMW recommends that. Crappy engineering. BMW overrated.
@soldierviejo8224 3 ай бұрын
You're obviously here just to hate and say stupid stuff. Do you own either car? You have zero idea concerning the reliability of the S55.
@Al-mx6ru 3 ай бұрын
@@soldierviejo8224 do you own one? Yes sir BMW themselves said rod bearings are consumable. Lol funny right. Crappy if you ask me. Rod knock are infamous on BMW l6s. BMW stated that rod bearings need to replace. I'd be butthurt as well.
@soldierviejo8224 2 ай бұрын
@@Al-mx6ru I own 2 BMWs (you can see both on my page) besides you didn't point out a specific model. N55s and S55s aren't problematic like the N54s were.
@Al-mx6ru 2 ай бұрын
@@soldierviejo8224 also the S85,S65.
@soldierviejo8224 2 ай бұрын
@@Al-mx6ru i bet you never owned nor have a BMW. You're just a H8R
@ganuv Жыл бұрын
Anyone who opened both would tell you that the b58 is stronger and more reliable
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