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A lot of K-pop Stan’s are pick me’s 💀a lot of girls literally tear down each other for a male idols attention.

"token stanning the underrated/mistreated member" yeah it was pretty weird when Kitsch came out and everybody and their dog was a Liz stan for like 3 weeks complaining about how she was being mistreated

3:30 Exactly! The netizens were audacious enough to make up nonsense things about Won-young. They called her colorist and stuff and everyone seriously ignored the fact that a child came to touch her which is completely unacceptable. People need to realize that you can't make physical contact with an idol unless or until you have their consent.

_Kpop fans also need to stop calling everything as rigged if their faves dont win_ The way people are commenting how rigged this award show is just bez their faves songs weren't nominated and calling every nominated ones as "isnt good enough, the ____ song from ____ grp is more deserving". Like come one _if award shows gave award based on ur opinion they would have asked u but apparently they dont care who U think is more deserving_

During kitsch era.... Everyone was a liz stan suddenly ,talking abt her less lines.😂

i always see the "you're just jealous" narrative when i or someone else suggests that minors (or at least very young teenagers) shouldn't debut. like i assure you i am not jealous of children who have to endure the most brutal and intense entertainment industry on earth LOL, i don't even want to be famous. my disapproval of minors debuting comes from a place of concern, people just throw out the jealousy accusation so they don't have to confront the actual issue

N3 genuinely feeling so bad for Won- like. Who wouldn't be startled at being touched? The way fans make idols to be god-like and as if they weren't human its very scary

One of mine: Bringing up vocal tiers, especially when ppl are praising idols for their singing. Like the amount of times where I’ve seen ppl praise an idol for their vocals only to see “she’s only X tier, so-and-so is much better and is SJSKSKKS tier” like you really gotta bring up the system that is, in practice, largely made-up because you feel insecure about your fave? To the point where you can’t even handle someone praising theirs in a video about their fave?

paved the way argument gets on my nerves SO MUCH.

5. I remember last october when stray kids came back with maxident and a lot of stays were up in arms about how hyunjin was the only member with no solo schedules or promotions, but it was so unreasonable imo because he had been overworked so much during previous comebacks that he had to practice for collaboration stages in his own time because he couldn't make the practice's, he had to switch parts of his hair and makeup sched with other members so he could sleep, like I was very happy they let him rest that era, especially as his grandfather had passed away at the time.

I used to be the person that took the "paved the way" conversation seriously. I started being a kpop fan at 11/12 years old because of 2nd gen groups. I was trying to bring up my ults as the reason why kpop is famous, and I would always get pissed off when someone mentioned another group that I didn't agree with. Now, I could care less. It's kpop at the end of the day. There's not one correct answer, we wouldn't even be having this conversation if kpop didn't become popular as it is today.

Listen, I am tired of singing you praises everytime you drop a video but this is one of my favorite videos yet, if not my favorite. Just yes yes yes to everything!!! #5 Wonyoung stans catch that! No but seriously, how did nobody think that maybe SHE didn’t want to reveal that she got hurt during the filming of I AM? We know how Wonyoung is highly professional, always positive and never wants to represent an inconvenience to others. Maybe she knew her fans would worry too much and decided to keep it a secret. Same with her limited schedule, after all the hate she got, if I were her, I’d need 5 years off. Maybe she requested less work. We know StarPoop works their idols HARD, why wouldn’t they work their most profitable idol the most? It just doesn’t make sense, I believe Wonyoung had a say in this. #8 owww sooo true, and it goes further than that. Kpop fans don’t understand in general how kpop works. I saw the other day a voting poll for who people think should win SOTY and most of the comments were saying Cupid & Queencard for the most unrelated reasons to how the actual award shows work. Then I realize how these same people will go on to hate Ditto or I AM when one of them wins because they are the only two realistic options with Ditto leading. Their own ignorance will result in the hate the rightful winners will get. I mean look at what they did to IVE when Love Dive won fairly. Most kpop fans truly don’t understand how business works & other things related to the industry.

on the topic of number 3, this might be a controversial opinion but k-pop stan’s definitely overuse the terms racism/racist. maybe this is just because i give the word racism a lot of power but racism it’s a genuine belief that you are superior to someone else on the simple basis of race. an idol doing CA doesnt seem worthy enough of being called racism. i think we as stan’s need to become more comfortable with the term racially ignorant rather than flat out labeling something as racism. idk i just feel like the word racism deserves more power and there’s actual racists in the industry but everyone is so busy labeling everything racism that the real issues fade into the background. idk if any of this made sense but that’s my brain dump on that topic🥲

TRUE!! SPILLED THE TRIGGER OF THE TEA!! if an idol is problematic, he/she definitely is, not it is always based upon hate, sometimes it becomes true that “truth is hurtful”

This connects to the first opinion, I hate it when fans say " lets see you dance and sing at the same time 🤓" like thats not my job, and no one is denying that being an idol is hard, it is incredibly physically draining, but if your favs are making so many mistakes that they cant even give an average performance, then maybe they actually deserve the criticism. And maybe this is a little harsh, but if an idols physical state is preventing them from doing their job, then maybe being an idol isnt for them. I understand there are times where they are sick or injured and I absolutely dont want them performing in that state, but if its happening in every performance that they do, then that idol actually needs help because I don't think thats healthy at all. Anyway, love your videos.

Number 8!!!! I’m glad that someone else thinks this. I do business in school and when people say things with out knowing what they mean annoys me so much like the whole Hybe and SM thing, I saw people being so stupid it felt like they had no common sense

For your third point, cultural appropriation is another term thrown around and used incorrectly, and it’s lost its meaning. Yes, cultural appropriation is an issue in k-pop, but it doesn’t happen as much as k-pop stans would like to admit.

I think some people dont understand the meaning of " paving the way " bcz kpop stans seems pressed whenever it is mentioned .

Every single stan needs to watch this video

proudly liking this video cause i have none of those redflags😌

Honestly #5 is like the most important, all encompassing thing, which i feel like is jumping to black and white conclusion with so little evidence to back you up. Like Sakura chooses to have less lines. Wonyoung chose to share that she got hurt filming, and i'm positive the staff member that spilled the tea was *not* supposed or allowed to do that. I feel like wonyoung probably had some choice in getting less schedules. (I mean that only makes sense. iirc she said that she was exausted which is fair because flying across the globe 3 times in one week is insane). People automatically assume that Jinni left NMIXX for bad reasons when we simply don't know. We don't know how Moon Sua handles grief, some say the company had her come back too soon, but I feel like she probably chose to on her own. And with the random child and Wonyoung situation as well!! It's people deciding their stance too fast with zero evidence, but this time in a purely negative and harmful way. It's one of the reasons I really don't want to associate myself with k-pop stans. Because there are so many crazy people like this.

“Always defending companies just cause of your fav” im a casual newjeans Stan and I’ve seen a shocking amount of bunnies who refuse to acknowledge the whole ETA thing with SOO much evidence. I know it isn’t their ‘concept’ but the director (forgot her name off the top of my head) absolutely referenced it to create buzz, and didn’t even deny it. I’m not mad at newjeans, I’m mad at their director who felt the need to create buzz by referencing something so terrible, when they’re amazing regardless. As for the token standing, yes yes yes I agree, and also it literally causes so many fan wars like with black pink.

#1 I just commented somewhere hown NEWJNs comeback wasnt that amazing as much as previous one ...and supershy isnt a vma worth song to those calling it more deserving of vmas .........the way those bunnies attacked me was very childish as if i was insulting their ancestors......kpop fans need to stop taking everything as hate.....ofc not all bunnies r the same but majority of them r #6 people defending min heejin just bez she is from hybe and is the director of newjns.....😅thats hurts my brain. And that pick me one...fans see someone actung cute or feminist they r so damn quick to call them a pick me. That word lost it's meaning ages ago

8:36 is true. Don't trust everything you see on social media (ex: dating rumours, scandals, and stuff like that) unless it is confirmed by the companies cause sometimes they are not true and are used to get more views and attention keep this in mind

The number 4, I love music and kpop as it is, but when I was young and stupid I used to do and say whatever my fandom say it was right and wrong and hate on other groups, I luckily grew up and made my own choices, I enjoy music more and I'm fan of half of the kpop industry and honestly I got tired of all the fights and fanwars going on social media, you can like and think whatever you want and no one has the right to tell you otherwise

the biggest red flag is dragging other groups unnecessarily

100% agree with number 7 especially baemon stans getting into fanwars when a group's lineup isn't even confirmed like pls let's be serious

And then there are some fans, who believe their idols, love them. They probably don't know, that we as individuals, exist. But people will always dream, about something that will never happen.

Bro please make a whole vid on number 7 because it’s so true like how tf is there babymonster Stan’s when they haven’t even made one song yet?! Like I get most of them are obsessed bp fans supporting one another but cmon now? Snap into reality they stanning and worshiping photos at this point💀

Also i agree with you with you i don't care about who paved the way argument it's a pointless argument to have

Only FACTS were spilt .. i relate to no.1 so much i get blasted for my criticism and people call me a hypocrite, or i am jealous, or i am hating/blasting on their Favs when it's valid criticism

Great take here.

I dont think bts fans took "paved the seriously" as much as kpop fans do like chill, they say it like every other kpop fan praising their groups. You can never find a army saying " xxx group didn't pave the way because 1,.2nd gen artsist did", but you always catch the kpop fans saying "my faves didn't pave the way and do does bts cuz psy and blah did it way before😭👍"

okay but that cherish instrumental intro ate

there are some idols i dont like. they haven't done anything for me to not like them but i just get annoyed a bit by them. but i still acknowledge their skills, kind personality, visuals and how they contribute to the group. i tend to avoid videos if its just about them and not the group. That is what you should do if you don't like an idol. Not writing a whole paragrpgh about all the things they must have done because its impossible for you to dislike someone for no reason because you are such a good person so its all their fault. sometimes we just don't click with people and that's okay, there is nothing i can do about it. so just remain respectful and ignore

I think we all need a day where we go touch the grass bc things are getting out of hand

If it was a white kid in the Wonyoung situation, nobody would've batted an eye screaming racism, because it would've just been a regular thing. But simply for the kid being a POC, *Wonyoung Is A Racist* 🤦🏽

I see number 3 so much on social media it's insane. It's very easy to google definitions of the words.

completely agree abt the company stans ive witnessed WAY too many huge fights on kpoptwt just because ppl were immediately jumping to the defense of the company for whatever reason

The who paved the way discussion is just another case of k-pop Stans misusing words without knowing the full meaning of it. When it comes to music a single person cannot pave for the way that’s literally impossible. Music is not something an individual can pave the way for so please stop saying that your faves pave the way for everyone else just because they’re big heavily targeted towards armies because y’all need to shut up and put that who paved the way discussion to rest it’s annoying

I dont think number 7 is bad. Since im guilty of number 7, i'll explain. I am a predebut stan of zb1. The first group i ever stanned predebut. Even though i dont know them, i like their talent. For example, taerae. He has an amazing voice, so i was looking forward to his debut. Another example is jiwoong. When i first watched boys planet, i recognized him because of the tv shows he was in. Theres nothing wrong to be a predebut stan. Its not weird since you no nothing abt them. You dont know nothing abt other members of groups when you first stan right? Imo, its not a red flag!

a gg idol will do anythng and will instantly get called a "pick me girl"🙄

A singular company buying and having a monopoly over an industry is a bad thing whether or not it's common practice. People being concerned by Hybe's recent behaviours is not dramatic. For example, the writer's strike is a direct consequence of the monopolization of streaming, so this practice does have really bad consequences. Acting oblivious or trying to downplay Hybe's actions is weird.

Personally I get pissed off the most when you criticize the company or point shit out then fans act like you're hating in the said companies idols

i’m struggling to not blame ador for my favorite nj member never getting the most lines/center time. i know there’s a lot of factors but i want to see her shine!!

1st again love ur work ❤❤❤

Ur intro is so pretty 🫶

The fact that I agreed to all of these red flags you mention is kinda scary....😳

Wonyoung haters are so insecure jejzkzkzhhz

22 seconds ago Also i agree eith the statements in the video

Number 2 is for all the Stray Khias fans

I'm guilty of Number 7

I may be guilty of number 4, last time I shared my opinion on social media they thought I was hating 💀

all people are «pick-me» in their own ways. some fandoms need to shut up. they really can't compliment their favs without abusing other groups.

FR! I swear if these kpop stans aren't complaining or defending one thing, they're completely complaining about or defending something else! It's literally giving pick me red flag vibes

I think you might be misunderstanding the outrage over companies buying out as many other companies as they can. We know that it's standard business, but a lot of us just hate the concept of a single companie having monopoly over an industry. If one company dictates all the idol entertainment, they could very well adapt awful practices and everyone who enjoys the content would have to either give up on their hobby or stick with the shitty industry. I feel like purchasing a company should be incredibly taxed and smaller but steadily growing companies should receive tax benefits, so that there's always a variety of options on the market. It's not an opinion coming from a lack of understanding of business, it's the opposite.

And the popularity, wins argument are too annoying too

Wow this made me realize how good I had it in 2nd gen 👀👀 I mean that gen had some red flags I witnessed too, but nooooot like this

I really don't understand why kpop fandoms are filled with red flags, in the arabic side of the fandom (most childish delulu side i've ever seen) there were two influencers that went to the same samsung(??) event skz and wony went to and the comments were filled with childish stays comments saying they shouldn't intreact with a pick me disrespectful girl and go to skz instead cuz the op talked about how excited they were to see wony 💀 and when someone tried to defend wonyoung they would bring the whole group down and sayctheir music sucks

This isn’t included but I find those that defend their fandom no matter what is a red flag. Or trying to seperate toxic fans from the fandom in an attempt to paint a fandom as better than it is. Fans always say “they’re not real fans if that say/do xyz”. Why can’t people accept that every fandom has toxicity, none is perfect or free from it? I don’t get the need to defend a fandom, I’m a blink and I’ve seen what some blinks have said and done. I could never stand by it personally.

I agree with every point.. kpop fans as a whole are so problematic.. another point (acc to me) is telling ur opinion in every single thing . If there is a video and all the comments are positive and happy there will be someone who’ll type something negative and ruin the mood of everyone and create fanwars , like just keep ur opinion to yourself . Before I used to think 2nd gen paved the way but after watching a video of bora city magazine (about paving the way) , I kinda realised it was mostly the contribution of bts , but I came across some yt shorts which said other kpop groups had paved the way but I didn’t type anything cuz I didn’t want to waste my energy arguing about a simple point and talk to ppl (mostly kids) who wouldn’t understand it ..

Guilty of number 4 and 9 😨😭

Another one is hating ive

number 8 oh my god thank you I feel like stans really forget that this industry is literally manufactured to make money - it's business whether you like it or not, it shouldn't even be a hard truth It's just common sense

#5 sometimes they blame the members for "stealing" lines... like what?!?!? How could they steal lines? Anyways love the video

Literally just yesterday I saw armys trying to trend HYBE APOLOGIZE TO JIMIN because of some lines from a game of some sort for BTS and the lines were Jimin basically saying he didn't think he was that talented or whatever. But like did it EVER occur to them that maybe this is what Jimin actually used to think? Maybe not anymore, but whether it was past or present doesn't even matter at this point. Would they then try to trend JIMIN APOLOGIZE TO JIMIN if Jimin came out and said he really did used to think like that? It really is so wild how adamant stans are about blaming the company for EVERYTHING.

7:34 real. i remember when everyone was hating on attrakt (5050's company) because they were seeking investment, and saying the company was desperate like what??

Number4 the creator was definitely calling yall out

0:35 SHOUT IT TO BLINKS

i swear if i see another stan throw around words like "___ is A pICK me" and "omg ____ is So aTtEnTion sEekIng" i will lose it. They really be thinking they're woke or sumn. I have a friend who forces herself to listen to her faves songs, even if she hates it. I walked into her room once and saw her nodding to a song even though she was not enjoying it and after it was done she replayed it so she could like it the next time.

side-eye

5:16 TELL THEM LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK

I might be unfunny but at least i don't stan someone out of pity 🤭

How do you know they are capable of having an opinion? 💀 what they are doing shows beautifully that they are not 💀

Truth

i would like to tell you with which ones i agree and disagree and my opinions… BUT i have the EXACT SAME OPINION 😅❤

Heyyy there off topic but I agree that blackpink's not the most talented gg, I agree that jennie's performance is bad but does that mean i can't stan them? does that mean no one can praise them because bp's their fav ? does that mean we can't like blackpink?

this is why i only listen to the music now, the entire kpop community is so toxic

Literally, all of these are weird as hell but nothing beats making and reading delusional fanfictions and POVs of kpop idols like come on, it's 2024. And then those people reading those fanfictions believe they can actually get their favourites and spread hate when those idols are dating. Weird right?

How do you get your background videos?

the robot voice tho 😂

I'm Not An Army But For Me Bts Is The One Who Paved The Way For Kpop In Western,South Asia,Middle East&Latin American Countries And This Is My Opinion. . . Nb:Don't Base Your Opinion Against My Opinion. . . 😪😪😪

Wait no way people actually do number 7💀

Do you receive money from your youtube videos?

12. they like every single boom boom boom remix le sserafim is dropping like i am sorry BUT WHY ARE THERE LIKE 103847563 OF THEM WE DO NOT CARE ANYMORE

am i the only kpop stan who doesn't take titles serious??? LIKE IT DOESNT MATTER IF "savage_blinkgirl3729" thinks jennie is a better rapper than soyeon??? Y'all neeed to get over it and go outside

The jealousy thing is so annoying really. Like when I say something about Wonyoung being cringe and not the prettiest girl in K-pop (not calling her ugly she very pretty) Wonyoung stans call me jealous and uglier than her. There’s nothing to be jealous about honestly. She’s just another K-pop idol to me but ppl put her on a high pedestal. It’s just really annoying… it’s also the reason why I don’t like her, but it’s not in hateful way. I see no reason in hating idols.

Help I’m such a red flag 😭😘

hating nd shut talking a group just cuz they famous🤮

One thing kpop stans are always gonna do 99% of the time is bring up “jealousy” and “clout chasing” the moment a person addresses obvious issues in the industry or towards a certain situation that people have the right to bring up especially if it’s something serious 👩‍🦲

I may be guilty of number 4, last time I shared my opinion on social media they thought I was hating 💀