Yes. A thousand times yes.

Eww imagine all the nasty stuff on the floor I can’t imagine letting a small child crawl around in that

Not anyway in the world

Should be common sense but it definitely isn’t 😩.

People think that because its a hospital or clinic the floor must be disinfected but its not true!! Ive seen kids literally dragging themselves on the floor!! 😖 I just cringe!!

I’m so sorry that happened I hope your mom is doing better. I’m scared to advocate for myself or others because I’m shy and insecure and I know it’s a big thing but usually it’s like the seniority mindset of doctors that makes me think they should know what they’re doing but I’ll learn from your story to do better in sticking up for myself and others

We're they sorry sorry? Maybe they were. Did they want to avoid complaints to the AMA and. lawsuit? Yes they did.

For me, the few times I've been in the hospital, I've had to advocate for myself regarding blood draws and IV's. First, I've learned to not let just anyone stick me. I'm a hard stick, so I always tell them this and insist that they get the ultrasound tech to do it. Sometimes they try to convince me they can do it themselves, but no, I know my body. Get the machine. The other thing was that one time I was in the hospital for a very bad case of mono. (My tonsils swelled so much, my throat closed up.) They came in my room 3 or 4 times a day to draw blood. And this was before I knew to ask for the ultrasound machine. So each time they stuck me, they would stick me multiple times. I had bruises all over. It was horrible. So finally I got so mad about it, I told them they got to take my blood once a day, no more. Especially since it was mono. There was no real reason they needed my blood.

During my mother's final illness, I had to do some pretty forceful advocating for her. I made sure they understood that she was DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) and I questioned what medications they were giving her. The hospital was sold in the middle of her stay, and they immediately lost access to the computer system they were using. They had to go to paper records which wasn't working well. Another time a couple of years before, I had to insist to a surgeon that yes, my mother needed a few opiate pain killers to take for a few days after the procedure. I told him that my mom had a low pain threshold, and that she wasn't an addict, which she wasn't. I was polite, but I think he realized I was going to make trouble if he didn't prescribe them. I understand that doctors are afraid they'll lose their license if they prescribe opioids, but in this case, I felt she needed them.

Although I 100% the "advocate for yourself" advice, it's also good to keep in mind that you, as a patient, can be wrong too; so for whatever the issue is insist on being shown evidence/proof that the doctors/nurses are correct and you're in the wrong. In the case Allison described I would demand the hospital get a hold of my oncologist to confirm with them and me that they had gotten it right and I was wrong. In other words, it's OK to believe you're right, and to insist on some way of settling the issue; but be willing to admit you're wrong if there's convincing evidence you are. In all matters of factual disputes (in hospital or anywhere else in life) evidence is king.

i love this comment 😂

Evil asf

Kinda like "May you live in interesting times."

Using it like a witch's curse is definitely the correct action LOL

Murphy law activates 😂

AND educate yourself on implied consent.

Then why have so many dentists and doctors acted like I’m weird for asking tons of questions?

My law student contribution: Always read the Informed Consent Forms. It is extremely important you understand the procedure and its risks (from the common ones to the rare ones). I cannot stress this enough, read the Informed Consent and ask all the questions you may have before you sign it. No doctor who is worth their salt should refuse to answer your questions; questions are expected and even encouraged.

I remember when I got a colposcopy, they gave me the informed consent papers after the procedure when I was shaking and about to pass out from the pain

Yes yes yes, I almost never see patients at our clinic read the consent form even for riskier procedures. And as much as I feel honored that they trust us to take care of them, I would much rather they read the form.

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That’s sad

@@_The_RFG_Club_ Nah, at least he went away on his own and with dignity.

@@_The_RFG_Club_ thank you but, not really. I respected him for things like that. He knew when he was going to go, and wanted it to be on his terms. He was a good man, and lived a good life. He knew there was no fighting the inevitable.

@@macD723 We all have to go but he went in the way all of us dream, peaceful in mind and body and on his own terms.

Having worked ER registration, I cannot stress enough how important it is. Some people would get upset when I asked if they had a DNR or advanced directive, but I've seen situations exactly like you described. It's super important to have that stuff lined up not just for you, but also for your loved ones. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that. I don't know if this helps, but I can explain what might have contributed to that situation. Part of the problem is the whole liability issue. If they don't have a notarized DNR on file, it can blow up in their face and become a legal issue, as with there being no official documentation, they could be sued over it. Then there's also family members that are trying to get away with something. That's why they had to call your siblings to confirm. We all the time had family members who had medical power of attorney that thought they could override the patient's decisions because they had POA... WHILE the patient was very much conscious and capable of making their own decisions. Then there's family fights and disagreements, people giving the doctors and nurses conflicting information. It's really frustrating to know that a few rotten people end up making all these extra hoops to jump through. It puts extra stress on everybody and can delay care or important end of life decisions like this. Anyway, sorry about the small essay. I'm sorry about your loss, and I hope you're doing well.

Absolutely agreed. My mom's last hospital visit, she was just lucid enough to tell us that she didn't want the breathing tube OR CPR/etc., and my stepdad and I made sure the doctors and nurses were aware of this. They honored it, even without paperwork. Gotta have an advocate who knows what you want when you're in that situation.

In most countries it is best to prepare something in writing. Place it somewhere readily-available to your next of kin and make sure they know about it. (Add something about your preferences regarding organ donations.) Very useful and stress-reducing for the next-of-kin.

Absolutely disgusting behaviour from the staff. I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. Edit: I mean they shouldn’t have done it that many times even without the dnr order it would have been traumatic

I work at primary care and I tell every patient over 65 to do their directive. Hospitals often contact us to get their last official copy (patient is supposed to give us a copy). So many patients don't do them and its frustrating for exactly this reason. I know it is scary to think about end of life but I tell them it's really a gift for their loved ones so the trauma you experienced doesn't happen. I'm so sorry you went through that

Doctor Mike opening fan mail is like watching a child open gifts on Christmas, such a joy to watch! And Bear is so sweet with him, truly makes my heart happy 😃

@@Theunicorn2012u just copied exactly what the above said 🫥

OMG yes! I am so grateful for having such great nurses in my intern years, they teach us a lot!!

My friend accidentally cut her arm open while setting up her daughters swing set. The ER doc was super nice and gave great stitches and then bandaged her arm after. The nurse came over to go over discharge paperwork and saw the state of the bandage and flat out said " I love Dr.-------, but let me rebandage that"

It's almost as if nurses are trained in nursing...

It comes from people wanting the best diagnosis. Who does the best diagnosis? The person who knows the most about medical stuff in general, meaning the doctor. I'm a bit of an exponent of that issue myself, as my mother was nearly killed by a nurse who saw her with CLEAR symptoms of high blood pressure for a blood pressure test, but instead decided she knew everything, refused to do the test, told my mother to go eat lots of crisps and other salty stuff to increase her blood pressure and sent her home. Anyway, not two weeks later she was in the ICU with a blood pressure of 195/130 on the brink of death and her kidneys are pretty much shot at about 20% capacity left. The kidney specialist commented that if we'd been 1-2 weeks earlier, it's quite likely the kidney function would've been far more intact. So yeah, if you ever meet anyone insisting to see a doctor, it could be me, since I'll do that whenever I detect any signs of medical people of any kind going outside of their expertise or trying to just get rid of us out of either busyness or lazyness. I do by contrast greatly apreciate medical workers being honest about their thought proces. Had a great time despite the pain when I broke two metatarsal bones and dislocated a toe, because two doctors in training couldn't figure it out, a doctor couldn't figure it out, but they admitted that this combination of fractures and dislocation is not something in any manual and they had trouble deciding on a course of action, because every way of taping everything back together also came with a warning label not to do that in case of something else I had. In the end they called in a professor as well, together with another couple of medical students and had two books open as they decided on the best way to tape everything together. The foot never fully recovered and this was a huge bugbear during military service, sports and longer hiking since, but I know for damned sure that everything that could be done for it, was done, because they were honest about their thought proces and limitations. Save the secrecy and "I know best" for the people who lost the genetic lottery and have an IQ where only "I'm wearing a white coat, trust me bro" inspires confidence.

fr both doctors and nurses have important skills and would need each other's help hence why they're a team

When I was admitted from the ER, I was so dehydrated that they had to get the ambulance paramedic to find a vein. He did it in one shot. Love that guy, because of him I was finally able to get pain meds!

What about me!! I was only 12 years old , they attempted almost 10 times before the blood came out.

Once when I was getting blood drawn, I can't remember what it was for, but it was the doctor's first time drawing blood, and it took her about 3 tries. She never did get any out, 'cause I passed out the third time and scared the sh*t out of her. Had to go to a nurse, and she got it done in less than 5 minutes.

Yeah the people at are hospital cant draw blood i often leave looking like my arm is beaten

Drs and nurses do not draw blood, phlebotomists do it.

I definitely felt hydrated on ivy cause I was never thirsty and hated water back then it just tasted bad except ice

IV

As a new nurse I will be stealing this, thank you!

Retired R.N. here: Nurses do it with style!

If I don't sleep I got very bad headaches (vomit, dizziness, light sensitivity...) so I complained about being woken up several times the night by nurses checking on me and I explained my condition. Because, I will have two problems to face (the one i am at the hospital for and horrible headache)and that isn't make me go better. Please, Let patients time to rest it's important even at hospital.

@@Rachel-qr8kv I don't think nurses come and wake you up in the middle of the night to be annoying. If they're running some tests at specific hours, there's a reason.

We don’t wake you up because we feel like it lol. We do it to make sure we’re taking care of you in the best way possible. You could have a complication in the middle of the night and we wouldn’t know it unless we woke you up for assessment.

And reject treatment if you want to. Including leaving AMA. You may not want the life your medical providers want to give you.

I mean, shouldn't that be their basic job, to explain this in the first place? You come in and say you have an issue, that means you care right? To say you have to show them you care is a bit silly. The point of going to a doctor who does so much schooling is so they can explain why you may be feeling that way and why they are treating you, or refer you to a specialist (which is more money out of your pocket by the way) or consult for more information. A lot of people feel scared to ask for a reason because they feel they are talking back to the doctor who is supposed to know more than them. Everyone tells people now not to get advice from the internet, just to listen to your doctor, but now you have to inform yourself and your doctor, which doesn't make sense. Tell your doctor everything, sure, but isn't it up to them to decide what is going on or refer accordingly if it is an actual thing they can't fix? I mean you could get a second opinion, but here in America that cost extra money, so how can we discern which doctor to trust, and now we have to make sure they tell us what they already should be telling us? I know for a fact reviews can't be trusted, and paying hundreds of dollars for a consult or being stuck in a closed network plane due to cost and/or having help from the government prohibits a lot of Americans from doing this. Assuming you are America since this KZfaq channel is about the American health system. I totally understand there are times where it may be necessary but your comment makes it seem as if people have to constantly be worries they are giving the wrong information, yet we are taught to listen to health officials (covid pandemic for example).

Advocating for yourself only goes so far - if they refuse to listen, there is nothing the patient can do. That's firsthand experience from myself and people in my family. It'd be nice if more medical people listened when patients advocate for themselves.

Thank you. I need this reminder. I have trouble verbalizing and with communication, so I'm not good at it. But I've had some traumatic things happen as a result. (I'm diagnosed with autism and social anxiety)

It’s so annoying when you’re in the ER, you know what treatment works best for your condition when it gets to the point of needing to go to the ER, but the doctor refuses to treat you that way even after asking you what treatment works best for you, and then refuses to come back into your room to talk to you about it. So you end up just taking the treatment they’re trying to give you, because you’re desperate for something to help. This happens to me too often, because I have Trigeminal Neuralgia. If it gets to the point of me going to the ER, it’s because my pain is off the charts and nothing I’m prescribed is helping. I’m already prescribed Morphine Extended Release and Dilaudid Immediate Release, if I’m going to the ER, it’s cause my opiates already haven’t helped. The hospital in my moms town found out through trial and error with me, that a bolus of Ketamine is the only thing that always works to end the pain cycle and bring me out of an attack. But none of the hospitals where I live will treat me with it. They won’t even give me IV pain meds beyond Tramadol (which is literally nothing compared to what I already take at home). On Sunday, that’s what happened. The doctor asked what treatment works for me, seemed to agree and walked away, then the nurse came in and said they were giving me Benadryl and Haldol…I asked if I could speak with the dr before being given that, 30 min later they came in to say the doctor said the only other thing he’d give me is Tramadol, I asked again if I could speak to him, returned 20 minutes later saying he was too busy (the ER wasn’t packed at all, there was hardly anyone there…) and that if I’m in that much pain I would just take what they’re giving. And I said okay, because I was in too much pain to wait any longer or to continue to advocate for myself… and it brought my pain down from maxed out on the charts to maybe a 9 and I went home to continue to fight through the pain they didn’t help with. The next day, I ended up back at another ER because I started having strange facial contractions that I literally couldn’t control, pulling my jaw from side to side and making weird faces without being able to stop it. Turned out it was something called “Extrapyramidal Symptoms”, basically a very rare type of allergic reaction to antipsychotics like the Haldol that they gave me at the ER the night before..

What's chf?

@@skydragon84 CHF is congestive heart failure

@@BrittanyScream1 Alright, good to know. Thank you for this information :)

@@skydragon84 No problem :3

So happy you were a concerned daughter and fought till you spoke to someone 💛

CPR is brutal, I am middle aged but I don't think I would consent given the choice.

Good point! My husband is both a paramedic and ER nurse. He’s told me about doing an IV in an ambulance in traffic. I’m impressed by the skills nurses and EMS workers have.

Agreed. Easiest IV I've ever had was started in the back of an ambulance on a bumpy highway. Went right in first try, didn't feel a thing.

​@@phaedrapage4217Same. It's hard to get an IV in me. The last one I had required a special needle for newborns and went at my thumb. It was the only place they could get it. Forget shingles, this was way more painful. If someone could put an IV in me while a truck drives, and I didn't know it, that's some serious skill. Nurses are amazing. If I know of a nurse who can tend to my really stubborn veins, I'll go out of my way to have them draw it. Even if it's a $50 UBER ride. They will have praises sang about them to everyone.

The IV one is one we get all the time on the ambulance: "I'd rather have a doctor start my IV." Trust me, no no you wouldn't. I start IVs every day in a box bumping down the road at 40 miles an hour. I know doctors who have barely started an IV since med school. Docs are wonderful and they do so much but there are sometimes that those of us who do them every day are going to be better at and IVs are one for sure.

I have small veins, and IVs are a challenge. RNs get them in fast!

That is how it should be. We have trillions of dollars and great economy. Everyone should pay little for national health care 💯💯,. It's not communism or socialism. I am from india. Government having some control over medicines and equipment pricing is necessary so that companies don't make billions while people are in debt and die. Check U.S on other side. It's horrible and mind-boggling.

I am thankful I do also

Same here. Yay Denmark. Just sad we have a nurse-and-hospital-crew shortage currently and for like, the last few years now.

@@ridhamh2966 I’m glad India has cheap healthcare considering all the air pollution, water pollution, and open defecation over there :)

Unfortunately, we in the U.S. do not have that luxury… 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Yes, you can certainly refuse, but we are documenting your refusals. If you get a large decubitus ulcer on your coccyx or sacrum because you refused to let us check your skin, that is on you. Not everyone is able to walk, and not everyone can wear the SCDs on their legs. Lovenox injections are not painful unless the nurse doing the injection puts the needle in too slowly. I was just in the hospital for three days this summer and had them, and couldn't feel a thing. As an RN of 26 yrs, I will always support my patient's right to refuse, but there are some things (such as skin assessments) that there is really no downside for allowing us to perform, as it is done to prevent harm to the patient and to ensure they are well.

Her not telling you what the meds are called is a massive red flag! ... Where I go they always tell you the name of each drug they are giving you. And they try to split them in to separate pots so you can easily leave one for later or refuse a specific one...

My kidneys were removed in 2001. When I was in hospital a few months down the track, the nurse came in with a spec jar. I asked her why, and she said "you can't have your ultrasound until you urinate into the jar." I argued with her for 5 minutes (and ended up angry crying) about how I had no kidneys so I couldn't pee. The nurse left to check and never came back 😁 I received a transplant in 2005.

They once gave me the wrong medication 🙃 I told the nurse that it was different from my usual treatment, she insisted so much I took it at the end. I was sick all night.

Wow! Horrible experience!

What country did this happen in? It sounds like typical NHS England treatment, but at the same time I'm not slating the nurses who are totally understaffed, poor handovers and consultants who see you as a bag of flesh, in my experience. Yet there are some dedicated. caring doctors out there, I've met many but not been treated by many.

exact same thing happened to me. I was in a car accident when I was 2 years old and my parents begged the doctors for almost 3 days straight that something was wrong. They continued to discharge me every single time. I got an MRI and Cat scan and then it showed I had a hairline fracture in my neck.

If you fell they should have done imaging regardless.

@@chimaer3743 disgusting behavior

Agreed.

Similar hospital experiences here too, Doctor’s Mike advice should not be treated as the bible and followed 100%. His advice is assuming everything goes perfectly in his ideal scenario when reality is far from that. Doctors are humans too and some simply became one only for the money, not because they care about their patients and will get lazy at times

Yeessss!!!

Or the stupid “you’re better now and that’s all that matters. Who cares if you get even sicker some other time when it could have saved your life to know what caused the problem.”

Disagree. You want doctors to communicate when they do not know. Diagnosis is a process of ruling in and ruling out potentially many conditions, and the purpose of acute care is to treat and stabilize the acute condition. What you do want to do is ask why specific tests and procedures are being ordered and make sure you are giving a correct history.

You absolutely did the right thing. Parents (in this case, mothers) have a sixth sense when it comes to their children, and this is heightened when they are sick. Do not let any health care practitioner write you off; you know your child better than anyone. I hope your daughter is doing loads better and thriving as we speak. You being 'that mum' is necessary in order to get the type of care that patients need. Keep speaking up and doing what needs to be done. Also, I think you the staff definitely loved that cake. It's a good feeling to be appreciated, I know the staff empathized with you (stress is a constant companion for either party in the health care setting). Take care, and I wish you and your daughter all the best!

When my mom was in the hospital for the last time, I made sure to bring treats for the nurses each day I went in the hopes it would make them pay more attention to her during her stay. It worked.

Something similar happened to my sibling. They were 8 and had atypical symptoms of appendicitis. They had on and off severe stomach pain and would scream. My parents took them to multiple Dr’s offices and multiple trips to the ER. They always sent them home. Finally a ER doctor did an ultrasound and saw her appendix about to rupture. She was rushed to immediate surgery and it burst in the doctors hand. If one of the doctors did a exam, a blood tests they would have seen it earlier. They spent almost a month in the hospital and another 2-3 weeks at home Bedford they could go back to school.

I pray she's doing well. God bless you and your family 💕

@@shirahime23 They don't always have it unfortunately. My parents knew a couple who had a daughter who complained a lot about headaches but not too much, just regularly. They brushed it off. She had a leucemia and died at the age of ten.

That’s actually horrible. It’s scary that some doctors would immediately assume somebody’s insane because they’re not acting normally under meds.

@Gail Asprey It was really scary! I was only a kid (10ish) at the time and it was 20 years ago, but it made me really worry about any medication that had psychological side effects listed even if it's very rare. And more likely to question a doctor when I have my own theories/concerns. Also, interesting tidbit - pretty sure Cipro and related drugs were black labeled then taken off the market for those severe but rare side effects

and a tip mike gave was to let doctors let you leave early

Went into the ER for Hepatic Encephalopathy. Woke up from an induced coma and was in the hospital for two weeks. Well they discharged me but that day I wasn't feeling good. I couldn't honestly pin point it but I just knew my body wasn't right. Two days later I go in because I haven't used the bathroom and I was incredibly thirsty. Turns out my kidneys were failing the entire time I was in the hospital- from the combination of HE, INDUCED, and the fact they kept putting off a paracentesis which I desperately needed. Maybe if I spoke up sooner I would still have my kidneys. Back then i just thought I was feeling that way due to me dying feom my liver and being in bed all day.

I'm hoping the doctor felt some self-awareness of their F up

I don't understand what's wrong with quiet?

@@SetiKt patients die in the hospital or have freakouts, it could get loud so that's why it's wrong to tell a staff to have a quiet shift

@@SetiKt it's more of "wishing the staff a quiet shift" jinx means the extremely opposite end ends up happening. Sounded like a superstition that mentioning "quiet" is a jinx, which means it will be extremely "loud" and busy, and hectic, and a mess, etc

Ah i see. I never got admitted on the hospital, so i didn't know. Thank you for explaining.

@@SetiKt I've been in a hospital before but there was never loud noises

I keep one for myself as well. All of my diagnoses, what year I was diagnosed, all meds and times taken, all allergies, all surgery history, all doctors and specialists I see including their office numbers. So many health care workers have thanked me for providing this, I wish all chronically ill people would do this for themselves and their caregivers.

Have you considered putting it on a USB-connected medical bracelet for when you can't be bedside immediately?

Yes that is a dream for us nurses! Also lets us know that patient is being really cared for by their caregivers bc they're on top of stuff.

It's great that you did that but really sad that you have to do this. No person without medical training should be expected to keep track of an elderly persons medications. Might be regional differences but that would be her GPs job where I live.

@@iz2333 When someone is seeing 5 or 6 different doctors mistakes can happen if the patient (or caregiver) doesn't keep up with what medications are being taken.

I think it's fair to go a bit further than "be careful when treating your family", just don't treat your family at all unless it's an emergency.

Forgive me, but I can't believe you're getting therapy from a family member. Yikes! Dance teacher too? Therapists should only be therapists.

@@Tracymmo listen I'm broke and she volunteered. Life's life

If you like microscopes you might like cytology. Cytologists work in medical laboratories. We look at cells and diagnose diseases (our main focus is cancer) based on what the cells look like. We work closely with pathologists.

@@lizade3814 I have thought about pathology as a back up. My first choice as of right now is Epidemiology

I'm sorry for your loss.

im so sorry :(

Sorry for your loss and hope you guys are doing well

sorry for your loss, hope the good memories comfort you. She's always with you.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm glad that at least your family did not have to worry about what to do. How thoughtful of your mother! In May, my mother went into the hospital, it looked real bad for a few weeks, and we had to have this conversion. It was rough for us kids, but thankfully she had pre-planned a lot of the medical stuff. She recovered enough to come home, and now she and my father are planning their end-of-life finances. Thoughtful parents like that make the grief less stressful. We need to grieve our loss, not worry about legalities.

Dude custodial staff literally make hospitals possible, it took covid for that to be highlighted to me

Did that in November of 2019. Yeah, the nurses were great.

I feel like the janitorial staff deserves extra respect. A lot of the time, that is the best job they can get, and the pay isn’t super great. They work around everyone, sometimes in really awkward situations, and clean up all sorts of disgusting messes. Yet they are generally some of the most reliable staff.

When I have to go to a hospital I get a strong feeling it's assumed I'm a drug addict or have an eating disorder. You kind of hope for a doctor that can distinguish between those things. But really. How do you get feedback from something like that.

In 2020, I was in the hospital for open-heart bypass surgery. The nurses were absolutely amazing, and I told them such. Nurses are truly the hardest working professionals in medicine. I always thank them. I also showed the same respect for the people who came in to mop the floors. Everyone in that building deserves respect

Doctors and Nurses go through lots of trouble, but hopefully this sort of stuff doesn't happen in the near future

sorry that happened

WOW, there could have been a terrible outcome in that situation.

Sorry that happened sweetheart and im glad your daddy is okay

I will never trust a doctor or nurse or anybody that can diagnose someone just by looking for 5 seconds at various obvious-visual cues. That's like me telling you that your car's engine dun work well just cuz I smell burnt rubber, there's a damage to the car and it has issues starting. It can literally as well be the battery, the fuel, etc. etc. instead.

when i was in hospital like two years ago when i was 13 or sum, there was an about nine- year old kid in one of the rooms next to me who was crying very loudly. The nurse explained to me that the kid had a broken leg and wasnt allowed to move for days, laying in a very uncomfortable position. And even though i couldnt sleep, i felt bad for them and didnt complain. Cant imagine the pain and discomfort that poor kid had to go through :(

@@austr1an.err0rmessage96 Wow, that definitely sucks. I hope you’re doing better and you’re out of the hospital now.

I never got yelled at by fellow patients, but I've often (!) been told by doctors "I know you're in pain, but please don't scream. Patients are trying to sleep". Like... yo? You know I'm in a huge amount of pain (even during kidney stones that needed surgery I was told this!), and still you have the nerve to tell me this? 🤨

@@ChibiYotsuba everyone is in pain int the hospital. the doctors need to comfort other patients too dude. he is not wrong, you are not wrong too but it is common sense. everyone is in hospital, not some hotel.

@@ChibiYotsuba When I had surgery to get 6 inches of my intestines removed, I was in a room next to a kid who had some kind of surgery as well. He was also clearly mentally disabled, but nevertheless, he was in pain. Every night he’d start yelling at the top of his lungs. Even though I knew he was in pain, the doctors and nurses always said “Calm down, don’t scream! People are trying to get their rest.” And at first I was like, “Dude? He’s obviously in pain here.” And then after I myself had started feeling my surgery more, I realized how important sleep is in the recovery process. It’s annoying being told that, but to an extent I can understand. I was in the hospital for over 7 days due to complications. And I barely got any sleep. (Sorry for the paragraph)

My daughter was on vancomycin when she was a baby. Went through two IVs each day for a week before they put in a PICC line. It’s not just hell on veins. It breaks down the plastics in the IVs themselves

Omg I just left the hospital for cellulitis and a mrsa infection and the vancomycin started going into the muscle because the canular had slipped out the vein and it was excruciating!!! I'm sorry you went through it aswell

@@matthewmclean1011 ❤

Agreed

the only time i’ve ever wanted to rush a nurse was to get more sick bowls when i had appendicitis, because i was GOING to throw up, and didn’t want to create a harder job by puking on the floor. however, i felt too bad and like there was probably someone in a worse state, so i tried not to puke. i…completely failed and felt awful

Just wanna say thank you for what you do daily at work. You deal with the worst and sickest of us and usually get no thanks or respect (or not enough). Our medical systems would crumble in minutes without you all and people need to know that. Sorry for the novel, I just have unending respect for what you do 💜

I had to calm my mom down when it took the ER staff over an hour to get me an prescription. I knew they were short staff, and it didn't help that it was during their shift change.

My only time at the ER had a total wait time of 7 hours (with a few 10-15 minute examinations in between). I only heard 3 hours in they had a major highway accident coming in during that time, with a second one later. I was cold, in pain and tired, but I understood I wasn't a priority at the time and they were doing their darnest to help everyone.

Even if you say "Uneventful", it'll jinx anyway?

If you believe in "jinx" you should not be a doctor ;)

@@PROVOCATEURSK ok?

@@PROVOCATEURSK bro why, just let them be a doctor- you mf-

I work in a nursery and someone once dared say "Have a quiet lunch" when it was my turn to watch over the children during lunchtime. I don't think those kids have ever misbehaved more than they did that day

Dude was super super smooth brain is what he was. Imagine being such a slave to your work hours that you force yourself to death cause you were too desperate to get back to earning money for your boss wowzers. 🤦‍♂️

@@Loctorak That's a serious problem, actually. Probably shouldn't be passed off as just "smooth brain".

Love your pfp!

Being a workaholic is probably what caused his first heart attack. Stress and no rest.

It took 3 ER visits before I was admitted! I felt like I was lying but at least 2 doctors insisted on a lumbar puncture and I was admitted

I wish there was a more universal “believe the patient until you can PROVE otherwise” instead of the “it’s probably not a big deal” until you come into the ER with an immediate life threatening situation. Not just at the ER but with all doctors.

At least the guy who made the mistake recognized it and apologized.

@@user-zp3tl4mf6f I mean, immediate life threatening situations are kind of the entire point of an ER. Anything else should be seen by urgent care or at a doctors office. People will often go to an ER with any medical issue but they can't really do anything for you outside of acute emergencies.

smh, miscommunication in a hospital with stuff like that is awful !!!!

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Just FYI, some meds are OK take if NPO ( nothing by mouth). Pt can have orders that say NPO except for meds, because some of those meds are important and should be missed due to a potential scan

Been there done that. I was diabetic while pregnant and after my daughter was born I had to be NPO to get my tubes tied. She was born after midnight and I was scheduled for surgery at 7 am so they wouldn't even let me have water after giving birth. Fine, let's just get this done. Except the surgeon was late and decided to get his morning clinic out of the way first. Then that ran late too. He visited me on his lunch break to explain the delay and had the nerve to eat in front of me. I don't begrudge a busy doctor his lunch, but with the smell of chicken swamping the room, I was hard pressed not to snatch it from him. I hadn't had anything to eat or drink since noon the previous day, and was breast feeding my newborn. The nursery expressed concern that my daughter's blood sugar was low and they couldn't figure out why. Duh, my sugar is low too; I wonder why! Finally at 5:30 pm they wheeled me to surgery, where the anesthetist and the rest of the team were already half an hour into overtime and...the surgeon calls to say he's running later than planned. My last conscious memory is of the anesthetist cursing at the doctor. I ended up back in my room after 9 pm. The cafeteria was closed, so the nurses put together a meal from the vending machines--a turkey sandwich, jello, cookies, pudding, and a cola. For a diabetic. Then they had the nerve to be surprised when my sugar went way up. Fed my baby again, and the nursery reported with surprise that her blood sugar also went up. I just wanted to scream in frustration at the lack of understanding something as common as diabetes.

Yesss same thing happened to my mother too she was literally starving the whole day it didn't just happen once but 3 times if im not mistaken 😤

Hectic. Messing up your blood glucose levels just before an operation! In cases like yours or with some chronic medication, I feel it might be better to have your own meds with you.

One time I went in for a Thrombectomy (thanks PILL for making my ArterioVenous fistula need 3 Thrombectomies one after another), and the Anesthetist asked me if it was ok to give me Morphine during surgery, even when my notes clearly highlight (on a fluro sticker no less) that I have a 'MORPHINE ALLERGY.' Obviously I refused.

I hate to break it to you, SOME hospitals will do it on PURPOSE. I have see patients say I'm supposed to be on 2 beta blockers, _____&______, and the nurses and doctors ignore them, give them the carbon copy protocol they give everyone else, won't allow the patients regular Dr to intervene because he is "out of network" and after 4 ADDITIONAL unnecessary days of being in the hospital, they finally decided to listen to the patient, Then vital signs become normal, everything is going well, and the patient is discharged the next day! I've also seen it with glucose and metformin, the hospital changes the usual meds the patient has been on for years and suddenly, blood sugar is so high, they end up giving them D50!! Again, their doctor cannot intervene because he is out of network, or is not on their payroll, and they ignore the patients constantly telling them. I say, bring your own meds, if they try to change anything that is working well for you just so they can make $$$, sign your self out AMA, and find another hospital.

Here's a fun one: I was on hefty pain meds for multiple chronic issues for years. When I went to hospital for severe pancreatitis and cholecystectomy, the surgeon of all people decided to abruptly discontinue the meds I was on and give me a completely different medication for pain. No reason (I asked), no consulting with my prescribing doctor, he just liked the other medication better. WTH? Not only was this jarring for my body and my pain, the other medication didn't work half as well at a time when pancreatitis dramatically added to my pain levels. Thankfully the internist listened to me when he did rounds and switched me back. I have seen staff make mistakes, make flatly stupid decisions before, but that one takes the cake.

Funnily enough, a patient with a medical issue they regularly know how to deal with, knows more than their doctors... well it's not really that strange when you think about it.

Unless you smoke cannabis once a year in norway, because they will take your drivers license..

@@avlinrbdig5715 you should probably still tell them because I'd rather live and have no driving licence Then die and still have it

@@PhantomOfFire sure, bro.. you go do that in the middle of nowhere and lose your job. See how your health improves. Lmfao

@@avlinrbdig5715 okay but it's that or actual possibility of death or illness or addiction

@@PhantomOfFire man.. your phrasing is so dramatic you should win a prize bro

Yes! Here the air ambulance is free as it’s state owned. No profit made!

Live in almost any european country and you wont pay a penny

I live in France, and our government wants to copy the American system....

@@TUIfly_simpilot have you seen how bad free health care is?

@@cplhammerstone5108 yep, I live in Australia and it is freaking great!

Cool

I love phlebotomists.

That doctor is crazy! I have always had most luck with nurses who were older drawing my blood, or just ones who have worked a good amount of years. I have dealt with multiple jabs and bruises all around, and I do not mind AT ALL, I can take the slight pain and don't care about the bruising. I just look away because the sight of blood or poking me makes me dizzy, but it does not hurt bad of course. But I have noticed a difference. I had two doctors, one who was younger but still in his 40s and one who was in his 60s both not be able to hit a vein. These are the docs who tried. Most experienced nurses have been able to (and a young looking lady from Quest got it right on the spot).

Here in Alberta, when they try to insert a needle into a vein they get three tries and then must get someone else.

I could see why the dr would be unamused by not being able to get it done when thats primarily your job but ami guess the person must have bled out allot or had a severe water shortage for it to be that difficult for a specialist and that would make it understandable

I see your point. However even tho it didn't turn out the best your decision was respected 💯

What kind of cat bit you so hard that it went through your hand?

@@alejandromedrano7986 it's acc very possible. Cats a very powerful

@@alejandromedrano7986 my last cat bit the vet right through the bite protection glove. After that I was only allowed to bring her in a special cage that allowed them to push her to one side, so they could sedate her without danger to themselves My cat was a traumatised cat who was rescued from an animal abuse situation, and she was terrified of strangers and unfamiliar places. I only went to the vet if it was necessary and let them do all other checks and vaccines while she was under anesthesia.

I had the same thing but my doctor convinced me to stay. A really sick person was admitted to the other bed. I felt like an idiot.

A cop during the day and a doctor by night. I call BS. I’m so sorry you had to deal with that

LAWSUIT

Did you get better?!

That sounds really unbelievable ngl cause hospital doctors work like 12-14 hour days.

I went to the ER one night with an unbearably painful toothache. I was about to rip my own head off to make the pain stop. The doctor thought I was drug seeking. Mind you, I have no history of drug abuse whatsoever. He sent me home after refusing to help me in any way. I got into my dentist's office the next day on an emergency basis. By this time I was nearly delirious. I had a severe abscess which had spread to my jawbone and caused an infection in the bone. My dentist immediately gave me IV antibiotics, (and morphine) and told me that I would have been dead in a few days from a brain infection if I hadn't gotten treatment when I did. He called the ER at the hospital and screamed at them for 20 minutes about their refusal to treat me. I later called the hospital and told them that I would not be paying my bill, and if they wanted to pursue payment I would file a lawsuit. In hindsight I should have filed a lawsuit anyway

At one point I was having a prescription medication compounded into a specific dose for me. I spent the night in hospital and told the nurse what I took, and explained they were compounded. She told the doctor on the phone and Dr didn’t believe her/me because the medication doesn’t come in that dose (… that’s the point of compounding). when my husband returned with my medication I was able to show her and she went and either showed or phoned the doctor to prove that I was right. Ridiculous.

it’s great to bring your medications with you (for all the reasons you said), just don’t take any without checking with the nurse or doctor first!

My Mom always kept an updated medication list in her purse, taped to the inside of the door where her meds were kept along with an extra copy or two (there were times she would only be home for maybe 3 or 4 days before we'd have to call an ambulance again.) This made sure that she always had one for EMTs when an emergency happened.

@@insertianameia2224 That's so smart 😀 I have a list in my medicin box

My sister had to take a lot of meds. At first she didn't have them listed anywhere, and I told her we need to make some lists. It's important for the person taking them as well as emergencies. The times my sister was picked up to go to the hospital, I always had to give them all of her prescription meds & supplements to make note of before they left, and I always took the actual bags of meds with me when I followed them or went as soon as I could later to give to the nurses to double check they 1. Had all the meds & dosages correct & 2. Use what we had so that she didn't have to pay exorbitant hospital/insurance costs per pill & 3. Not be sent home with the same medicines that cost 10x more (that's only if they would, sometimes they "aren't allowed with their hospital policy"). It also gave me her meds in my purse or the list she kept with them (if they took them to use) so that when I visited I could double check with the nurses that were doing the dispensing that they were all being given still & see what had been added by the doctors, if they hadn't told me already (especially when I was her signed medical liaison for if/when she wasn't able to make decisions. I also advocated for her in telling the nurses & doctors how badly she felt when she didn't have certain meds at certain times or with/without at least a snack. Sometimes nurses won't know these things & they give the meds at diff times or without at least a snack & your loved one might vomit or at least get super nauseous & then they don't know it's not an allergic reaction or new symptom but just how your loved one's body responds to certain meds (especially those they have taken a long time... they know their body, but might not be able to tell someone). I myself don't have a lot of prescription meds but take quite a few supplements & I know some of them can interact with medicines so I always list them.

Thats seriously disgusting prioritizing money over the patients care. I hope the hospital admin learned their lesson.

Why would such program even exist? Healthcare is not customer service.

Oh gotta love those hospital administrators

Add on to that crappy incentive system that back problems are amongst the hardest things to properly diagnose if it is not something able to be seen on an x-ray/CAT scan.

@@emmel4fun This is America. Yes, it is.

Are you sure it was nitrous and not novicane? Cuz novicane’s what numbs you.

@@Boundwithflame23 Pretty sure it said nitrous on the paper, but I'm not a doctor so it could've been that too

@@haydito1447 nitrous is laughing gas…you’d know if they gave you Novocaine (a needle) or nitrous (gas given with a mask with hoses, similar to an oxygen mask). I’m a wimp so I usually get both. Insurance pays for it that or my angel dentist doesn’t worry about it

you never knew you cant see cavities?

​@@haydito1447Nitrous doesn't really do much to numb the pain, it's more to relax you, gives you kind of a floating, pleasant feeling. If that's what they planned to use, it definitely would have been a very superficial cavity.

Oh god yes that was one of the worst pains I've ever been in. I got it a couple months after delivering my son. The pain got so bad that I couldn't even sit in the van we had and needed an ambulance to get me. Unfortunately the men in there were so rude and refused to listen to how lying down flat was incredibly painful, strapped my arms in to prevent me from sitting up, and yelled at me for screaming because the pain kept increasing the longer I was strapped in the ambulance. Once I got to one of the furthest hospitals from where we lived I was admitted, asked questions, and the next thing I knew I was out. They told me I had pancreatitis and my gallbladder made a stone that sat perfectly at the entrance of my intestines and the bile back-up and swollen pancreas was what was causing my pain. I'm still pissed at those ambulance people and annoyed that the doctors never warned me that my gallbladder removal would result in IBS (and therefore causing me years of never understanding why food caused so much pain) but I'm also glad that I hopefully will never have to go through that pain again. God bless your mother for being alive and well through that. Hopefully her life has gotten better since then.

I'm glad you were there! I don't understand how someone can go into that professional not have compassion. I understand burnout and "having a bad day" but when people go to the ER they are often frightened. The staff have to be level headed about it.

I’ve had that and it is very painful

hope you're doing well now! wishing you a healthy life ahead

I'm so glad you had a good experience!! To anyone worried about not being able to communicate something important for a similar reason (or any reason): we have plenty of methods to communicate with patients that are not verbal! Pen and paper would work great in a situation like this, but we have things for other conditions which cause difficulty with verbal communication too (like picture boards!). Please please stand up for yourself and communicate what you need to communicate, and we will do our best to make that process easier for you!

That sounds brutal but I'm glad they were so nice to you. Hope you feel better soon!

Thanks everyone. I am feeling better now, I just can't chew for a week or so which is gonna be annoying.

Just so you know, most people working the night shift actually start at night or evening, or mid day and will be getting off soon. They don't have someone from 6 am until 6 am the next day. Maybe a doctor in surgery or something but of course I'm sure you meant the whole of the staff. If a medical professional is grumpy towards their patient during their shift that is highly unprofessional, even with the fact that people have human emotions. I hope you are doing better but you shouldn't be afraid to go to the ER for a real emergency (which yours was!).

As a Brit, same

@@ep6600 But he said „if you NEED to use an air ambulance“. If you need one in Germany - where I live and where we have universal healthcare - you would not need to shop around since you will not have to pay for it. If you want to use one and there is no need for this means of transportation, you cannot use it and pay for it yourself because it is reserved for the patients that need it. So the use of an air ambulance is always free of charge in Germany - and most European countries as far as I know.

@@ep6600 Hey if you need to be transported by heli (or an ambulance plane for that matter), even in non-emergency cases, it is very much still free here

Sorry, but America's not a communist country (and never will be).

Canadian here. I would only “shop” around since the hospitals here in rural Alberta suck and there are some that are better than others. Plus the hospitals here are so under-staffed that you sometimes have to go to different hospitals to get care

That's awesome! I'm glad you had a nice room mate!

La Rosa 😦

@@UnknownUser32100 La Roas de Guadalupe does have very intense accidents!!

@@Ximena_R04 Yes 🙌

I had one with needles too. It happened when I was in my early 20's Nurse was having a hard time finding the right spot in my hands, after the 4 or 5th hole it was more painfull than I could bear and I started to scream in pain. The nurse then went shaming saying to everybody hear (it was a comunal room with around 6 or more beds) how I was acting like a little baby and that I was a small kid afraid of needles. I got pissed and yelled "I'm a regular blood donor, I used to put needles on my hand as kid because was bored, I take blood and get medicine without a flinch. I'm saying this. is. hurting. too much!" She fronze long enough to a doctor show up to deescalate, he send her to another patient and get another nurse to give me the medicine. It hurt because my had was already sore but was bearable.

I’m proud of you for advocating for yourself! :)

The needle size matters! If you don't need an 18 gauge cannula (big! Like the Red Cross uses for blood donations!), a 22 or 24 gauge should be quite enough! To me it seems like she didn't want to wait a "long time" for the insulin to pass through the needle. Good on you!

@UCHhHuXfqjp7vPNp4eISJzwA TL;DR Don't dig with the needle: you're cutting tissue and causing unnecessary bruises. Two strikes (needle sticks) and you're out! Donors don't have to give blood that day and can come back a few days later. On a double-arm machine, neither the phlebotomist nor the nurse could hit my veins. After a long history of giving gallons of whole blood and many double units of platelets, I left and never gave blood again. Give blood! Story For some reason, if someone doesn't get the stick right away, they will dig around for the vein under the skin. They did that to me at the Red Cross with a _big effin' cannula,_ and when I saw what was causing me to hurt more and more, I saw he was digging like that. "Hey! Hey! Hey!" I yelled. "You're cutting tissue! Take it out!" When you're donating blood, you really don't need to do that. The donor can leave and come back at another time pretty soon because their RBC's are still mature. I was giving platelets, a double unit because I had a normally large platelet count. Platelet units are good for clotting factor for hemophiliac patients. They consolidate ten units at a time to make it, so the Red Cross love people like me. I was giving on a double arm machine, which meant I needed a needle in both arms. One to give, the other to return my red blood cells (RBC's). I dismissed the phlebotomist and asked for the nurse. If she couldn't hit my veins -which at the time were not hard to hit- I would leave. The nurse couldn't hit them, either, which is what I expected after all the digging, and I left the blood-drawing site, never to return. I am proud to have donated over 3 gallons of blood over the years (8 units is about a gallon), and I got my pins for them (a golden blood drop with numbers on it). I also gave many double units of platelets. And I get sad that I can't let myself give anymore (not just placing the needles). Please give blood! It's about a five minute draw plus snacks to help replenish you. Yes, you have to answer a bunch of questions, and you get a lancet stick to get a hematocrit reading. ( _ouch!_ ) You sometimes wait for a table, but it's worth it. Every unit helps at least three people with packed red blood cells, plasma, platelets, and more. The blood supply is a dynamic and living supply. Each unit can only last 21 days in the refrigerator. 90 days IIRC in the freezer. Blood is always needed, and it gets shunted around a lot from blood bank to blood bank to fill transfusion needs.

No, your mom shouldn't have "gotten convinced" to leave without getting her child a shot, even if the child didn't want it. You were too young to know, your mother is the owe who made bad decisions here.

No

​@@Suduwoodushinyno what?

@@josephpostma1787 read th last sentence

As a pregnant woman, you know your body better than anyone and you SHOULD advocate for yourself indeed. My mom was almost told to go back home on her 4th and 5th pregnancy. She had to say "doc/nurse, I've had 3/4 kids already, I know how my delivery works. Please admit me or I'm going to have this baby right here while "walking out"..." I gotta say, as a kid I thought labor and delivery always happened in about 5-7 hours altogether (3-5 for (early) contractions and 2 to get to the hospital and get out of delivery room) because that's how I met my lil bros & sis XD

Yep, supersititious about full moons too, lol. After you’ve seen it enough, you get it, though…

I’m shocked she didn’t get jumped by the entire staff that night for doing that 😂😂😂

@@sidneyboard5570 same

Same, when my grandmother was at the hospital, she was refusing to eat anything by her mouth, so she was fed using a feeding tube. Still, the hospital kept sending meals for her and my mother (who was sleeping there with her). One time I was visiting around lunchtime I ate some. If no one eats it, it's going to the trash.

Kudos for being a good advocate and parent!!!

I had a c-section and they gave me morphine and I was allergic to it didn't know at the time. Called the nurse who argued with me. I then called my mom and she called the nurse and then called the drs when she wouldn't listen. My mom's a nurse.

my mom developed a different type of infection after hers. she had covid-like symptoms (this was before covid escaped the wuhan lab {my mom has never been to China}), and was in the hospital for a week. for a month afterward, she had an awful cough. she now has bell's palsy

It is important to listen to the patient, they know their bodies, their records, and intuition is on point most of the times. I know health professional have to go by a guideline, but listening to the patient can save some time. Once I endured 4 days with high fever, I suspected it was a kidney infection. I told doctors I thought it was something with my kidneys, but they told me it was only a flu, because either way i would've had an UTI first. I waited six hours for them to tell me that the test for flu wasnt right. After that, they told me it was a kidney infection and I was close to losing my kidneys.

@@liliandres6056 maybe SARS

yeah

That’s awful. I hope she’s doing well now

My mom had a similar series of GPs tell her she was being hypercondriatic over a car crash she was in a good 15 years prior now, and eventually it was discovered she had actual spinal damage that was causing the pain she was in more or less constantly. It wasn't until a Therapeutic specialist literally went through the painscale with my mom and adjusted it for my MOM specifically that something didn't add up.... thus hospital MRIs and such right after and, well, my mom is now very distrustful of doctors and nurses and such that seem to be knowitall idiots that toss out diagnoses in minutes without even any direct examination first.

That’s really annoying.

@@zaffytaffy809 Thank you. she had the operation to drain the blood but still suffers from head pain as the area is so sensitive to hot/cold and pressure etc. The area they drilled on the skull isn’t filled back in so she really suffers, unfortunately.

Women are less likely to be believed. When men and women describe pain with the same words. People believe men to be in worse pain than the corresponding women. It sucks

Yeah well, unlike nurses Doctors went to Medical school.

@@patrick-ip4yf Brah. You literally missed the whole point of what I said. If you need an IV placed in your arm and you'd rather have a doctor do it instead of the nurse it's because you're ignorant of how hospitals and clinics work. Many doctors have placed maybe one or two IVs in med school and never did it again. They never even got proficient at doing it. Nurses on the other hand do it every single day and become very good at it. The point is that doctors don't do most of the procedures that they order and are usually not as good as nurses at doing them. If you don't understand that then you don't have a good understanding of how real clinics function and you probably watch too many medical dramas on TV.

@@4dojo I was meaning to say Doctors don't do these procedures in the first place, because they are needed elsewhere, and Doctors all well within there authority to order these procedures as they went to medical school.

@@patrick-ip4yf Obviously your comment was intended to put nurses down, but in the end you just stated what everyone already knows. Doctors go to medical school and they play a different role in the medical field than nurses. That being said, nurses also intensively study medicine in college and the course is extremely difficult and competitive. I'm not pretending that RN programs are as long or difficult as MD programs, but make no mistake that becoming a nurse is far more difficult than obtaining most other college degrees. I speak from experience because I have graduated college multiple times and hold multiple college degrees. At my college the RN program was so intense and competitive that only a small percentage of applicants could achieve a high enough GPA to even get accepted into the program and more than half of those that could be into the program failed out anyway. And by the way, doctors are far from all knowing even in their fields. That's why there are so many specialties and sub specialties. As nurse I have on countless occasions called up doctors and practitioners to point out errors in their orders or even orders that just don't make sense given the situation. No, I'm not on the level of a doctor in terms of pharmacology, but like I said, nurses still need to know a great deal about medicine and pharmacology and we are trained and expected to notice med errors. Not noticing a doctor's prescription errors can actually get a nurse into trouble. So don't talk about nurses like they're fodder.

@@4dojo And when you say fodder, what do you mean?

I'm not sure how it is elsewhere, but we are not permitted to physically restrain anyone. Even if they are a risk to themselves or others, we gave to call I the police. We had someone brought up under an EEA and the police asked what would happen if they tried to leave, our answer was we call the police and they follow them up. We've had people essentially forced to self discharge with family or partners under less than ideal circumstances. All we can do is document what has occurred.

I think Mike has covered it, by saying if it isn't necesery for you to stay in hospital. I think in this scenerio you shouldn't left the hospital.

​@@deconstructor3582 ​You seem to have missed my point. They discharged me, despite my needing medical care. I should not have gone home as early as did, that was a decision the hospital made while I was unable to make decisions. @Heather Garnham I did not mention anyone being physically restrained, what I am referring to is the hospital discharging people who are in no state to care for themselves, into nobody's care, including people who are at risk of harming themselves or others.

@@Maggie.The.Unicorn I hear what you're saying. It seems like in this video that Dr. Mike is saying that doctors will not discharge you until it's safe, but you're right, the reality is that sometimes doctors try to discharge patients before it's actually safe for them to go (that happened to my sister not long ago). The way I see it is that safety is key, no matter which "side" you're on (patient or provider).

@@heathergarnham9555 especially being in canada... doctors don't seem to care as much because they aren't making money like the states. I go to the clinic and within 2 minutes I'm being offered a prescription for something I probably don't need 🙃