I'm not really following this logic in a cash scenario, especially as it pertains to the turn. I think bluffing turn makes sense because you have too much equity to fold turn, basically regardless of what the short stack has, and you can reasonably represent a lot there. I don't think you can represent very much on the river, so I agree with that point. As a side note, if I'm playing with a splashy player who is all-in and a tight player who is not, I think semi-bluffing makes a lot of sense. 1. I might be good vs the all-in guy. 2. if the splashy player wins, the money is still actively in play. 3. If I let the tight player win, then they might well put the money into their vault.

I don't see any reasons, I agree with you. Like maybe if the A of hearts shows up and you want to bluff the flush, but the problem is that 1) you aren't holding any blockers, and 2), you hand is weak enough to take a line from Bart "accidently lose". Like you bluff on a heart, and the V sigh calls with his A5o thinking he isn't good, but might have a chance.

When you look at your crotch and see that the guy all-in is on a draw. As your bluff has better high card value than his hand, you win at showdown.

@@FefeLeVrai crotch theory optimal

Only one. Fancy play syndrome 😄 I have that too but not in dry side pots

DEAR MYLES PLEASE HELP ME

You're a player. That's clear. Your rationale for betting the river is not wrong. Comments to the contrary are simply missing the point. And by the way, that dealer should be fired. It is totally unacceptable to advise a player in a hand. I mean...holy shit.

It seems you were in some kind of kindergarden where teachers are bad. It was your call to stay in that garden after the incident. That’s one of the worst poker stories i heard.

I didn't defend my play (whether it was good or bad), I simply shared my thinking as to why I thought my play had merit. I respect Bart's advice, and wouldn't make this play again in the future..

@@mylesberg5731 my man that was less about you than it is other calls I listen to. Other people legit sound like they are more interested in being right than being successful

@@desean3402 In that respect, I don’t disagree with you. Thanks for clarifying.

@@mylesberg5731 here’s the thing though; the play worked. I agree with you that SB probably had you beat and you needed to get him outta there to win the hand against a really bad fish who probably has nothing (which was correct). Sure the play might have some theoretical issues, but in a live game it worked as intended and was probably a good exploit.

I know right ?! Haha 😂🤣

Yea thats a "God's gift to Poker" comment

Isn't it funny that my read was accurate though? I don't claim to be "God's Gift" but I do have confidence in my game.

@@mylesberg5731 Amazing read dude

@@mylesberg5731 Don't worry about it. Two people can say 'i'm usually right,' and one will be bragging, while the other will simply be telling the truth. No one will know who is who. People just love to chop at egos on this channel. If anything, they're just exposing flaws in your social game.

@@mylesberg5731 If you have accurate reads, why would you need advice, especially semi-GTO based advice? An accurate read makes GTO and even general poker advice irrelevant. This case is a clear example. Given just the hand as it happens, bluffing here is a bad play. Given your read though, bluffing becomes a good play. So your read makes any advice you might get from Bart irrelevant.

Hero had a good read on the hand and made the correct play. V1 is playing this like he had QJ, and V2 is playing like he had a random draw. Getting V1 off a queen is huge, and not very hard on this runout. Bart seems obsessed with the fact that V2 couldn't be folded out of the hand for $3 (even though he could in fact be), and ignoring the fact that V1 is much more likely to be ahead of him than V2, and that folding out V1 increases his chances of winning the pot inordinately. Maybe it's not "GTO" but it was the correct play in this spot if people actually can figure out what these bet sizings tell us about the villains' hands.

@@TrueGrantsta I agree. Bart is a far better poker player than me of course but IMO the key question that merits attention is, Assuming V2 could have anything (or nothing in this case), what hand would V1 lead on turn and check on river? I think it's worth 400$ to find out and a good-to-great bet.

Problem here is only the queen folds.. if he spiked the ace... He calls

@@estegerset Does he? Many players make folds here for $400 rivers in multiway pots in my cardroom. They don't look at pot odds much and just thinkg "Wow $400, i dont think my Ax is good here"

He’s not free rolling because he has to beat the BB or he loses the entire pot. If BB had more money behind it could be okay but BB had $3 left. Which is nothing. Just so happened that he doesn’t even know the difference between blackjack and poker

I think it's actually pretty solid. Wanted to get small blind off a strong range like 2 pair and if BB calls then what, you're losing 3 more dollars?

Agreed" I was more interested in the BB hand throughout this whole ordeal J8 KJ QJ KQ AX-draws" a bit overly optimistic to suggest "OH" he just has a lower flush draw almost always here!!! 🤣 lmao.. even if he is a complete 🏧 doesn't matter!! And as for the SB I don't mind the play at all but I would be prepared for the hero call occasionally seeing how we are representing pretty much KJ and didn't blast back on the turn before a scare card could come" I would not be surprised if he called given the odds! So given the combination of one or both of those occurrences I would always be checking it back in this spot! I'm certainly not going to put in more money to lose more or win zero most a big chunk of the time.

Yea i dont get that at all,makes no sense,first i never understand people mucking without seeing the others hands anyway.

Exactly. It's a fold, not a muck

Steven Undisclosed it’s amazing “he’s trash. Horrible. Don’t have a read on him yet” lol no read yet

@@RyanDepauloDegenerateGambler BRUH when the hell you gonna stream again? We need our vicarious degen tingles you scumbag! 😆 Oh btw I was playing the $50 $70k Sunday Special on stars with your boy Boris last night.

KT, KQ, Q8 or QJ calls river? i dont think so. What about Qxhh? or Axhh? I'm not saying the bet was good or not, but there are a couple of better hands which fold.

On the river I knew my hand wasn't the best hand, therefore, I believed my bluff (not a value bet) would work. I used the term 'premium' loosely.

i'm not listening to anyone's advice who types out 'King 10' rather that using KT

JTs is a pretty good suited connector. You'll often flop top pair and turn a straight flush draw, and you can bluff alot of rivers with it profitably.

@@anthonyfox4626/ rofl!

@@JAKTPLO why?

Dude wouldn't fold a pair literally getting 200:1 odds. Something don't smell right.

If he has a 50% chance to win aganst each player individually then he has a 25% chance to win against both, which is the only way he can win the pot.

@@FefeLeVrai Try to read what I actually wrote. Of course he's not 50% to win against the SB. The SB usually has at least a queen. What I said was that *if* the SB folds to his $400 bet half the time then it's a breakeven play.

@@Mathemagical55 I understood your post very clearly, you're the only one who doesn't understand here. If SB folds half of the time it is not a breakeven play. It is only a breakeven play if you win the pot half the time. Even when SB folds, you only have a 50% change to win the pot against BB by your own assumption. So your bet only wins you the pot 25% of the time.

@@FefeLeVrai Yes it wins 25% of the time and that is breakeven. What you're failing to see is when the SB folds you get the $400 back regardless.

I appreciate you defending my play (whether it was considered the right play)! Thanks Fox.

Ya, it was an ok play, depending on the player. I'm thinking he dealer could have asked if the BB was folding, but not helped him by saying he's not all in...

I believe this was the right play here, KJ folds all day as well. I believe in the "read" or "Feel" portion of this as well, where you know you are beating the maniac all in and just need to get the semi-nit to fold a marginal holding.

This is absolutely what the dealer should have done in this situation. I would have grabbed his hand, kept it face down, and just looked at him and said "fold?" -- If he motions or verbalizes any semblance of confirmation then I instantly mix his hand in the muck, push pot to the caller, and then kill caller's hand. Dealer absolutely should not tell, coach, point out, or verbalize to BB he's not all in. But on the flip side, dealer should not just instantly kill BB hand either because as caller stated it was still a foot away from the muck, and BB could have meant to flip his hand face up. But also interestingly, at some casinos at 2/5 the $1 chips dont play on any street except for posting the blinds. This isn't too common but I've seen it.

The best dealers never say anything at all. If I was the dealer, I would have grabbed the hand and slowly dragged it into the muck, giving him about 2 seconds to realize a mistake but after that it's dead.

I think that’s the question that Bart failed to address 😜

I did

@@mylesberg5731 Do you always have the table cover? lol

@@CanadianLoveKnot Almost always. Lol.

@@mylesberg5731 So the usual. lol

In game, I went with my read that the play would work and it did. Doesn't mean it was the correct play, which is obviously why I called it in.

@@mylesberg5731 true man I can't disagree with that . After listening to the call again I can see you just wanted different perspective

In game I thought it would work and it did bc I had a “pure read” as you mentioned. I would consider a larger river bet or check in the future though.

Yeah 2p+ is raising turn all day, so when the river bricks you can’t have any good hands. SB should call if he has anything but he probably just had a draw in this spot.

@@pdxshredder6883 SB had 2pr (Q10). Not sure what you mean?

@@pdxshredder6883 Plus, 2pr isn’t raising the turn, as KJ makes the nuts on that board. Doesn’t seem like you listened closely to the hand. 🤷‍♂️

@@mylesberg5731 I mean if hero had 2 pair or better he would raise turn since you don't want villian to draw to a flush or straight for free. So when the river bricks hero can't really have many strong hands, so villian should be calling lighter.