Thank you very much for this authentic and very good comparison. I liked your complaints regarding keyboard key travel and new track pad. This reminded me similar story when 10 years ago Lenovo did the same when they remove the old style keyboard and introduced the chiklet one. I don't understand why they keep repeating same errors just to follow Apple trend. 😕
@iwantpigАй бұрын
thankyou for covering what matters to us thinkpad heads.
@draxgo8 ай бұрын
more people needs to see this. this is a big change and might as well be a deal break to a lot of us ThinkPad users. Thank you so much. You saved me so much money.
@AindriuMacGiollaEoin Жыл бұрын
Bring back 1.8mm
@lifeworthliving302 Жыл бұрын
The only reason I bought Lenovo was the nice keyboard. Thank you for this video - just saved me a bunch of money. Thank you.
@tomonabudget Жыл бұрын
I've got a P14s Gen3 AMD and my partner has the P14S Gen2 Intel. Both are nearly specced to the max apart from the SSD (I plan on getting a 2TB drive for mine at some point). In terms of keyboards. I initially disliked the new keyboard but honestly, don't hate it. I tried the laptops side by side and noticed that the Gen 2 keyboard, while longer travel feels mushier. The new keyboard clicks in nicer. 2 things annoyed me however: 1. omission of micro SD card slot. - That would have been nice extra bulk storage in the laptop. 2. ommision of the keyboard drainage hole. Luckily I don't tend to spill drink stuff on my laptops, but so far nobody mentioned how the spill resistance on these laptops has changed.
@totoplopp6630 Жыл бұрын
These reviews are SO damn good, helping me choose
@papagen00 Жыл бұрын
Being a long time ThinkPad user, my quandary is I cannot have both 16:10 display and 1.8mm key travel in the same machine, I must get an old ThinkPad with 1.8mm or new 16:10 ThinkPad but not both.
@aleksandras1469 ай бұрын
If I remember correctly - you CAN upgrade ram on T14 Gen3 but only on Intel models. On the AMD models, all of the RAM is soldered onto the motherboard, but on the Intel version, one of the memory modules is slotted and it can be replaced.
@garonmario99 Жыл бұрын
I am tempted to pick a gen 2 with i7 5850u... Killer performance and 1.8 mm key travel.
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
lenovo hasn't knocked down the price too much for the gen 2 (in typical fashion) to squeeze enterprise customers... since I use the 1.5mm and 1.8mm side by side daily, it's a little bit more noticeable, but if you only had 1.5mm it's something you'd easily get accustomed to... the mouse is a bigger complaint , as I'd shared in the video. if you can stack an EPP discount (or even one of their id.me discounts), with one of their coupon deals to bring down the cost of a loaded G2, then I think it's a good idea.
@CAx459 Жыл бұрын
Well the video has not ended yet but I need to say it...what a great video I've seen. Thank you so much!!
@ericjohnson5990 Жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the days when Dell set the standard regarding build quality. Then one year they went downhill hard and were longer number one. Is it just me or does it fell like Lenovo is about to suffer the same fate?
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
It's almost as if once they get to the top of the manufacturing ranks as the #1 supplier in the world, they just don't care about quality :|
@atlanticrblx7784 Жыл бұрын
Latitude no longer has the nub like HP and lenovo.
@joshmxvi Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video!
@Veg-Power Жыл бұрын
cooling x13 vs t14 g3: unluckily T14 G3 is just allowed to draw 20 watts! As is the X13. So I expect similar performance. Not such a problem with AMD. I have L14 G3 AMD here atm and is allowed to draw 25 watts with single heatpipe instead of dual heatpipe in T14 G3 AMD (and intel+nVidia config). you can ramp it up to 40 watts with "ryzen controller" though.
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
interesting... surprised they allow that behavior with the L series vs T-series, it's almost as if they want the L series customer to quickly burn out their machines to buy new gear ;) I did some tests with the different configs (battery-saver, battery-performance and plugged-in) across a few benchmarking suites and saw interesting metrics across the board. Plan to create a quick video on the results as it really puts why things feel "snappy" when plugged in, into perspective
@LarsWestergren Жыл бұрын
I had decided for a T14 or T14s with AMD as my next dev laptop, my XPS 13 is getting old. Unfortunately, (at least here in Sweden) they only come with Qualcomm nfa725a chip, which is not supported in Linux. There is no option to change on Lenovo's site. So I can choose between non-working WiFi with AMD, or a power-hungry and hot-running laptop and worse battery life with Intel. :(
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand why lenovo would do this unless there's some regulatory limitation preventing the intel chips from being shipped to Sweden, especially as all the [CTO] machines are manufactured in China prior to shipment... have you looked at using a 'forwarding service' in a nearby EU country [?] if either the X13 or p14 g3 lets you get amd + intel wifi card, I'd say they may be worth considering too.
@nick_nam3 Жыл бұрын
The one without "s" has better cooling.
@ShenghongZhang Жыл бұрын
Nice review!
@Veg-Power Жыл бұрын
gold standard not for long. Will get to 1.35mm in no time ;) luckily I find the 1.35 mm keyboard on Z13/Z16 for example way springier with more pregnant pressure point and resistance than the 1.5mm keyboards, whereas the Nanos 1-35mm keyboard is a bit too soft for me. Best modern keyboard with 1.8mm has my P1 G3. But I go back to my modded T430 with 2mm classic keyboard regularly.
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
at the pace lenovo is going, I won't be surprised if they push 1.35mm soon... the G2 and P50 are certainly better key travel, but the 1.5mm is something manageable. It is noticeably inferior when jumping between machines though... my preference is still my W520, if the motherboard hadn't fried I'd still use that (non-chicklet) keyboard. I've not tried the Nano, and the Z seems be designed for a customer I don't understand.
@Veg-Power Жыл бұрын
yeah, the classic keyboard is my favorite one of all time. for the 1.5mm travel keyboard, I liked it on T14s G2, very crisp and somewhat manageable but on the T16 G1 I don't like it as much, maybe due to a different manufacturer. The L14 G3 I have here has serious keyboard flex. They got rid of the magnesium reinforcement in the base unit in L-series again. Z13: I highly dislike its design but the keyboard I do like. Just was surprised they are able to get them right even with lower travel but won't do it for the main series like X1 Nano somehow. But tbh honest there are a lot of people liking the whole concept of the Z13 haha.
@timothybracken1728 Жыл бұрын
Given all the issues, what modern laptop would you suggest I get for business related work ? a must is a 16:10 aspect ratio screen... Thanks for your informative video.
@wrabeengrg Жыл бұрын
This is sth like when Mac introduced Butterfly keyboard back in 2016 in the name of slim body design.
@TheBrokenTV Жыл бұрын
That is "Ashoka Stambh" on your P15 machine, National Emblem of India. The Pillar of Four Lions. { PS: Stambha means Column, Ashoka is for King Ashoka who ruled Indian Subcontinent for around 35 years} 👍from India!
@fifidrex Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video. I plan to buy the same Thinkpad T14 Gen3 with AMD CPU, can you tell me if are you satisfied with your choice? Is it reliable? U mentioned some sudden restarts, and thought that it is up to the windows, is it? Or it it is due to AMD platform?
@50RAW Жыл бұрын
Man you got Indian Emblem on p14🤔 What about getting a T14 gen 1 now, as price have went down? Please suggest...
@lazal3m Жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to for you to do an experimental T14 Gen 2 & Gen 3 LCD Assembly Swap? Can you test if connectors are same? 1080p Webcam & LCD working? Thanks!
@akin242002 Жыл бұрын
I actually like the T14 because of the Intel i7 12th gen CPU. However, you make some very good points. - 1080p display (FHD) is best for battery life. - Windows 11 is trash 🗑. - No fan is a long-term concern since the laptop is commonly used by programmers, project management, or accountants. The later 2 work long hours at times. It could potentially overheat at a time when it is needed most.
@EnigmaAbyss Жыл бұрын
Two P14s Gen 2. One is AMD Ryzen 5, 32GB Memory (16 Soldered, 16 slotted), touch screen. The second is AMD Ryzen 7, 16GB memory (soldered), non-touch. The second on (16GB) is slightly cheaper. Which one is the better option?
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
My suggestion is to avoid P14S Gen 2 completely. See my last video of "trackpoint stops working". It's not something that was fixed by lenovo and it is what prompted me to return the P14S g2 I bought last year. if you really want to take the gamble & don't care about using trackpoint, the second one. The p14s G2 has an open, user upgradable ram slot.
@s.omarnoor1380 Жыл бұрын
@Mister M does this problem happen on the t14 gen 2 shown in the video?
@eviljesus5411 Жыл бұрын
What's even worse than T14G3 trackPad buttons? I have the Z13 IPS screen version. I love the weight and build and the fake leather. It stays cool even tho half the vent on the bottom is fake, does have intake in the back too tho. The screen is gorgeous. Speakers are great. The keyboard feels cheap and not traditional by any means but I tolerate it. The trackPad is good but I don't use it. The touch screen has wacom support and runs a pen very well in photoshop etc. I can draw fine without the yoga flip style screen. The trackpoint is crap, much shorter than even a yoga trackPoint. All the software tricks can't replace the mechanical advantage of a taller trackPoint. Next, the removal of the trackpoint buttons is terrible! Don't believe the reviewers who never use the trackpoint. Here's a summary - I use "mid click enabled" mode so I don't have to hold the middle button while scrolling and this also allows one mid click to open links in a new tabs. But also, the mid click closes tabs as well. So, I'm often hitting the mid click button instead of the left click and losing my damn tabs. Also, if you click the very right side of the mid click raised dots, it activates the right click? The very left side of the raised dots doesn't activate the left click, it mid clicks as it should. They can't even map the button areas correctly and it can't be adjusted like it could be with the T440s. But the worst of all is the left click button area. It moves slightly down when you click it for some reason, which totally screws up the fake click vibration and sound mechanism. When I try to double click a folder, the sound and vibration often only registers as one click. It feels mushy and shitty and sticks sometimes or doesn't register at all. This problem cannot be fixed like the T14G3's as it's not the pad that's moving, the pad is squishing into itself. Absolute garbage. One more small gripe, the thinkpad logo sticks to my hand and feels like my palm is sweaty and sticking to the base, what a foolish design. They basically ruined what could have been my ultimate thinkPad. Anyone who values their cherished trackpoint function steer far away from this beautiful laptop.
@andreiiancu74279 ай бұрын
I have bought T14s gen3 AMD Ryzen 5 with FHD touch and display is poor. I have bought T14 gen1 Intel with FHD non touch and display is also , poor. I have my main laptop P15s GEN1 with I7 and UHD display, and is very good, but i don`t want it anymore because cooler is on right side and trowing heat always and i use 6-8hours/day the mouse. Looking to buy a NEW laptop 14inch, with similar good display as the P15s (T14 (s) or P14 (s) or X1 carbon to have: - best display - good cooling - best decent to very good battery life - long keystroke When i`m saying about good cooling i compare the laptops i test now : P15s (have it since 1 year) and T14 gen1. I keep the T14 in bed with me and cooler is almost off, and no heat problem. WIth P15s you cannot do that. That`s why im looking for new and reliable 14inch laptop to fit my "requirements". I`m sure your advice would help me a lot.
@karthikk2719 Жыл бұрын
Should I get T14 Gen 3 or P1 Gen 5? the 16 inch screen seems interesting to me since most of the IDE and software applications looks comfortable for me at 16 inch. but ya portability is a concern. What would you recommend?
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
personally, I got tired of lugging around my personal + work machine, and have optimized my selections for portable all-around performance. 16" is a great size for a single workstation, but it'll weigh almost as much as two T14 ( given P1 G5 = 4lb & power brick may be ~.5 lbs -vs- 2.5lb for the T14 G3). Beyond weight, from my research earlier, there were quite a few concerns w/ the 12th gen intel (esp. throttling issues & poor battery life) which is what led me to AMD. I'd suggest researching the intel 12th gen issues, including on levovo's community forum & even reddit discussions. If you don't come across anything of concern in your research, the P1 G5 is a solid machine with beefier components.
@FSX666SX Жыл бұрын
@Mister M, what you decided - keep or return? Your opinion would influence my decision. Also, what about the WWAN, I didn't see such an option in Lenovo configurator - do you know if there is slot and internal antennas so diy upgrade is possible?
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
sorry for the delay; I am keeping the device! Every time I pick up my P50 and feel the several lbs of weight I wonder how I managed to lug this thing around the world for many years. Overall it's okay. I did not see WWAN for the G3 at the time of build either, and (iirc) for the few models that did offer it (non T14G3) spec-ing it out caused ship times to slip by many months. I doubt there is wiring in place since I'd not paid for it (some models offer just wiring, iirc), not sure about slot availability also.
@annerenna7449 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your info-packed review. I have always had my Thinkpad Ts with Intel. Is AMD better ? Which do you prefer ? (I use my Ts strictly for work ie Excel - no videos or internet) Anne
@annerenna7449 Жыл бұрын
Thank you A
@fshalor738 Жыл бұрын
Why oh why oh why has Lenovo gone down to a single m.2 slot for 2280's. I'm actually still holding onto a P15 gen1, just because it has two stinking slots. Now adding the annoying keytravel as a second beef. 1.8 is minimum required! Looking now for a Gen2 AMD Ryzen 7.
@Simon-kz4dv Жыл бұрын
Nice video. I wonder if P14s gen3 amd with 400nit 1080 screen a better option? Is it the same as the T14 gen3?
@s.omarnoor1380 Жыл бұрын
The t14 and p14s are essentially the same hardware. The only difference is certification, the name, and maybe something else.
@akshayband6183 Жыл бұрын
3:13 Out of context question, why do you have a cutout/sticker of India’s National Emblem?
@notnxshy331 Жыл бұрын
wow dude i love u, it works!
@nyuszifu Жыл бұрын
would you suggest getting the gen 2 (amd fully specced) over the gen 3 ? How big of a difference is the performance between the two and is it worth the cost of comfort of the gen 2
@saeidk7362 ай бұрын
i dont understand this whole thing they are doing to laptop keyboards. they are making them unsable
@alexeiz Жыл бұрын
I wanted to upgrade my T14 Gen 2 AMD to T14 Gen 3 AMD, but now I realize it's not going to be quite the upgrade I'd like.
@jamesabestos2800 Жыл бұрын
Plus all that sodered ram btw you got it? Because I love thinkpads for their ultrabook purpose but also think about light gaming for random reasons. Psst... I wanna see how Hot it can get but no torture the doggane thing.
@jamesabestos2800 Жыл бұрын
The prices are ridículos but their worth the craftsmanship quality.
@BlacK201100 Жыл бұрын
Hi, after 9 months do you still use the T14 gen 3? How's the experience?
@mosheva Жыл бұрын
Hi, Thanks for the vid and info.. I'm wondering which I should get.. The P14s GEN3 with intel 12th gen and Nvidia Quadro T550 4GB **OR** GEN2 with the Ryzen 7 PRO 5850U and AMD integrated graphics... I'm using it for large PDF files (architecture PDFs) with 4K monitor.. My current T14s with intel 8 GEN is taking a lot of time to process the files while connected to my 4K monitor via Thunderbolt and since it doesn't support HDMI 2.0. I cannot get my hand on a Ryzen 7 6850 processor..
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
My P14S G2 was impacted by the trackpoint issues & I returned the device (see my trackpoint video). If you are considering the P14S G2, you should absolutely avoid the device as they have not fully fixed the trackpoint problem to date. The NVIDIA T550 may be pushing you toward the P14S G3, but know that it is not very powerful. I did side by side performance benchmark tests with my P14G2 and an X1 G9 (last yr vid) which had intel graphics and there weren't a dramatic improvement to the Nvidia. I spent some time research it this time around also and the AMD integrated graphics should net comparable, if not better performance than the T550, which is aging and super optimized for specific engineering workflows. I'd suggest trying to get your hands on a T14 G2 with maxed out CPU specs, if you can't get G3 6850. Chip shortage is easing too, so you may see inventories coming online, unless they simply don't offer it in your region.
@mosheva Жыл бұрын
@@misterm7465 thanks for the reply unfortunately I cannot get my hands on gen2 with maxed AMD nor Intel.. only last gen AMD and Intel 11.. I consider the P14s gen3 because it's lighter than gen2 and also lighter than T series.. If the Nvidia T550 is similar to Intel iris x which comes with Intel 12 gen then I don't see any reason why not to get it... If I'm not wrong the Intel 12 soc comes also with iris integrated so I might switch from the Nvidia to iris? I saw that you didn't like the gen3 touch pad since it's flat.. I can relate to that... I've also considered to get an Apple laptop and run windows with parallel.. windows just slows the laptop...
@opensourcedev2210 ай бұрын
If I wanted touch anti glare, do you know if the anti glare by Lenovo is more effective than the glossy or even the same as matte?
@MnemonicCarrier Жыл бұрын
Why did you even get the T14 gen 3 when you already have the gen 2? Was the gen 2 not powerful enough for you? It looks like you have a ThinkPad addiction 😄
@1a1o Жыл бұрын
he sure is addicted 😂
@fshalor738 Жыл бұрын
The T14 Gen2 Intel flavor is his issued work machine (by employer).
@oussama4629 Жыл бұрын
sorry but what are you using all these machines for ? what kind of work are you doing ?
@persinini8854 Жыл бұрын
So I just ordered T14s gen 3. Is has touch unfortunately. I asked if anti-glare means matte and they told me yes. If I wanted no touch I had to spend another 300$. I hate the glare. Anybody knows if it is possible to have matte touch screen or I'm escrewd.
@karthikk2719 Жыл бұрын
I too hate Glossy displays, however, looks like Lenovo is giving a 4K AR/ AS display which is actually glossy but have some anti reflective and anti smudge coating on them, do you think they are good enough like a matte display?
@Veg-Power Жыл бұрын
I think his P50 is anti-reflective, too. since that option on t14 g3 is 500 nits, I would say it comes down to personal taste. I for myself do like the anti-glare displays. Maybe they got better than from the P50. Look at videos of the X13 Yoga Gen 2. should look like that (but a lot brighter). looks very matte to me. here for ex.: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hrZ4mMWKmN7Gkqs.html
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
if you value battery life 4K display will not be the best choice, imo, but I'd defer to Marvin's comments... it's possible there's progress on the new anti-glare applications they put on glossy displays now, unfortunately there's little side comparisons to make a super informed decision, although my personal preference is matte. You can always buy one, see how it is and decide in the 30 day window Lenovo provides.
@az9az9az9 Жыл бұрын
Hi. What FPS can that iGPU 680M handle for screen capture with OBS AMD encoder? Can the CPU or GPU handle 4k 30fps?
@ThePlacehole Жыл бұрын
I have a t470 i5200u amd. Now I bought the T14 G2 AMD Ryzen 7 5850u and the touchpad and trackpoint are complete and utter garbage. I have never experienced anything even close to this horrible. The trackpoint drifts more often than not, the touchpad has (I'm serious) 150ms response time (sometimes you think it has not detected your action, repeat the action, and THEN it moves), the trackpoint middle button clicks before it registers a press (so you just press it really hard and hope). I have not used a mouse with a laptop for over 10 years, but had to order a mouse after 24 hours. I hate using this thing. Lots of people seem to have issues now. This appears to be a combination of hardware, firmware (which synaptics have been solving for like a year), and software (which the kernel devs seem to be solving for months).
@belochub Жыл бұрын
Man you can order glass trackpad from X1 extreme at aliexpress and replace it. It fits on t14g2 and replacing is an easy task. You'll be satisfied with the new trackpad experience.
@ThePlacehole Жыл бұрын
@@belochub I'm pretty sure it's a problem with either the firmware or the main board. They've replaced the trackpad but the issue remains. Unless the trackpad communicates using a different interface, or something, i am not sure it will help. But you're right, it's something to keep in mind. I've been talking to their support for several months with no success. This at least gives some hope.
@prakashspex Жыл бұрын
Do the thinkpads have an EOSL date?
@DJNuckChorris Жыл бұрын
Does the T14 Gen 3 have a glass touchpad?
@enochthestud Жыл бұрын
Is the T14 upgradeable? Can i upgrade the ram?
@pionergena Жыл бұрын
@Mister M, I've bought "T14 Gen 3" with 400 nits display and it has noticeable text ghosting when scrolling, especially on dark background - slow response time. And want to change it to 300 nits model. It is really noticeable with comparison with any other display. Can you, please, confirm that your model does not suffer from slow response time?
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
@gena I have dark mode enabled at the OS level and at the browser level (where all web-pages load with dark mode), I've not come across any noticeable ghosting so far on this machine. have you verified there's no unusual refresh rate setting configured on your machine (under advanced display setting)? Separately, try tweaking configs in AMD Radeon's Display Settings to see if it improves things... it could be a bad panel too
@pionergena Жыл бұрын
@@misterm7465 Just for others - text ghosting is not faxable with settings, hardware issue with mine 400 nits panel. I'll be sending it back to store :(
@sphui Жыл бұрын
@gena is your new replacement fixed the issue?
@pionergena Жыл бұрын
@@sphui I've send 400nits version back to Lenovo; and bought another with 300 nits screen this time. Just got it today - and no issues. Normal screen.
@alvinhui7218 Жыл бұрын
Can you help to run a speed test on "speedOmenter 2.0"? with your T14s G3 AMD? I am considering to buy the Macbook M2 or this one.
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
battery-saver mode: 109 (+/- 5.2) plugged in, max performance mode: 190 (+/- 7.7) via Brave browser using browserbench[.]org/Speedometer2.0/
@iamdmc Жыл бұрын
your G2 has a MASSIVE fingerprint reader - was this used in a healthcare setting? afaik that's the only place you had those
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
the G2 is issued by a company in a highly regulated industry
@s.omarnoor1380 Жыл бұрын
Ye that's the HIPAA(?) one, the normal one is smaller
@meta5175 Жыл бұрын
The keyboard and mouse, I'm so sad, can we go back please... and am I seeing it right they even don't have the blue dots on the middle key? damn that's my fidget toy😡
@1a1o Жыл бұрын
i want to use windows 11.... are these computers not stable with windows 11???
@fshalor738 Жыл бұрын
I don't think Windows 11 is stable on Windows 11. (Heck, WSL2.0 is a nightmare on them.)
@timothybracken1728 Жыл бұрын
so true, im keeping my t580 , so sad that the key travel sucks. Bought my wife a x1 carbon 10th gen, the keyboard sucks ass. feels like cheap plastic and there is like zero travel. Jesus christ and to hear that al their models have it now. Forget about it, look elsewhere or buy refurb/used..
@popokatapetl699510 ай бұрын
Battery on t14 no s is not acceptable. Should be 57Whr like (s) model
@nick_nam3 Жыл бұрын
Lenovo used to be IBM when they were really heave duty machines. Now it feels like chinese make it cheaper and tackier...
@dansotnikov4280 Жыл бұрын
What do you do for a living?)
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
"knowledge worker" at some tech company
@dansotnikov4280 Жыл бұрын
@@misterm7465 What are your thoughts about macOS regarding application usage for your field of work and apple's M1 chips (max, pro)?
@misterm7465 Жыл бұрын
@Dan Sotnikov I'm most familiar with WindowsOS and rely a lot on MSFT Office suite products, which is more optimized for Windows. Most people at the companies I've been affiliated with are macOS users though, and in the recent years it's gotten big in mainstream corporate culture, especially among software engineers. The M1 chips introduce some compatibility issues for software running locally, and unique bugs that may require specialized debugging (from what I've observed), but I've seen they're also extremely efficient for certain tasks. I do not appreciate where MSFT is taking Windows 11 with so much telemetry, and am entertaining a move to MacOS over the next handful of years
@oblivikun8 ай бұрын
windows on a thinkap 😭
@eyedentity1849 Жыл бұрын
u have so many thinkpads lol
@thorstenfricke3257 Жыл бұрын
win11 a piece of garbage super!!! => Linux ubuntu!!!!!