That shit is brilliant

The way to win with people like Matsson is to not be scared of them. And I loved how each sibling had what the other lacked. Great writing. Fearless Roman. Intelligent Ken. Disciplined Shiv.

​@@SarahRamsinghnice catch about the siblings dynamic

Lmao. It was pathetic.

@@b.g.3073you know nothing of acting

@@BwInNewJerseyhe’s not saying it’s not well acted, he’s saying the character is pathetic.

@@SeppukuAddictyup … Culkin later said he was so lost in the moment that he didn’t notice all the scenery until he returned later with his family. It shows on screen

I don't think Roman's hatred means very much given that he anointed Mancken

I don't get it

@@user-cr6rg6nl7j the old Scooby Doo cartoons were produced/created by the Hanna-Barbera group. “Are you Scooby-Doo-ing me?” his previous line…

More like 2:43

"I'm glad Roman spoke his mind for once" Have we been watching the same show lmao if anything Roman doesn't have a filter

Also, this is the first time we see Roman is so pissed while negotiating. Usually, if he's negotiating, he's calm, friendly and even joke around until he slowly tell the numbers. But in this case, he's pissed, still grieving of his dead father and shows no remorse. Roman is usually good at negotiating while Kendall won't let anyone to speak and rap like he's Eminem while Shiv is being too direct and use her feeling and opinion instead and somehow going political.

more like 4:25 lmao roman was so horrible at this job

@@liljackypaperRoman doesn't have a filter as far as being an asshole goes I guess but he's never genuine. He's always sarcastic and deflecting things with weird jokes.

It was a bad move though, Matsson cornered them right after by bumping the offer and going around them and directly to the board.

@@PaulTraces Matsson was always going to go straight to the board. He is smart enough to know that is where the power lies. Messing with Ken and Rome was just fun and games for him - for the entire negotiation. He just wanted to mess with their minds to amuse himself

​@Paul bad move by Mattson, he pulled a Kendall. Overpaid for a bleeding dinosaur just to laugh at Roman and Ken, but thats not good business. He's been pushing the deal hard since he got a whiff of sandy and stewy wanting more money, Mattson is panicking.

@@PaulTraces I wish when I made 'bad moves' people offered to pay me out for 187 BILLION dollars. I honestly don't know what to think about this season. Is Logan even dead? Probably...but what if? Is this all a part of a plan to boost the trade price? Would have worked brilliantly if so.. This season is sketchy and I feel that somewhere in here one of thes red herrings will actually unravel and turn into a plot twist.

@@rayzala1393 It's not 187 billions mate, it's 187 usd per share. Two VERY different things.

Roman took the bait here. Mattson had a suspicion they were tanking the deal but he goaded Roman into laying his cards on the table. He's done research on all of them, and he knows Roman is fiercely loyal to his dad so in a mixture of frustration with them and making his next move, he lays the Logan insults on thick. It feels good in the moment for Roman but you can see his and Kendall's faces on the plane in the end, Mattson just goes around them and presents the offer directly to the board and it's too good to turn down, so he takes the company the way he always wanted in the end.

@@dantesmith7859 exactly

@@dantesmith7859 Kendall and Roman wanting ATN is all emotional. I'm confused how keeping the toxic asset would be considered a 'win' outside of just 'honouring' Logan's wishes. Its political links are all open, so it does not seem like it's being undervalued, unless its valuation changes next episode. In terms of dick-swinging and getting-what-you-want though, yes Mattson does 'win', but I don't think paying that premium is quite the galaxy-brain negotiation tactic business move the comments here insinuate.

@@dantesmith7859 yeah but does Mattson actually ‘win’ this? His offer is WAY higher than anyone at Waystar thought they could get. Take Kendall and Roman out of the equation and this is a huge W for the company. There are no winners between these three.

@@dantesmith7859yeah I don’t know. He did try to shush him at first, telling him to take it easy… then ending up spending waaaay above what’s needed. He’s in over his head too here.

I would go as far as to say this was his signature moment. phenomenal writing and even more phenomenal acting.

Yeah and then the fact that the scene showed Mattson flying down on his helicopter while Kendall and Roman had to wait for the lift to go down. Great episode

He towers over these mental midgets

Mattson gonna die confirmed

Pygmies'*

​@@RaoulDuke32what does that mean?

People who let their base emotions rule them always lose.

​@@unadanni not true. Base emotions rule everything. It keeps us alive and thriving

@@cgijokerman5787 Alive sure. Thriving is a different fucking story.

​@@cgijokerman5787 Not in the real world

@@Glimax Literally in the real world man. Please don't be ignorant. Studies show that rich people feel so insecure about losing their wealth, they feel as though they NEED to keep makking more money whilst also having this weird social heirarchy of needing to show to their rich "friends" how wealthy they are. Studies show that rich people SUCK at spending money wisely, and that they feel as though they're living paycheck to paycheck (relative to their earnings, so not like they're gonna starve, but that they will lose their wealth). So yes, in the REAL WORLD, FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS drive everything and everyone. We eat because we are hungry A FEELING. we sleep because we are TIRED. We fuck because we are horny. We hate because we are scared. We comment on a youtube post about feelings because it challenges your world view of what the "real world" is like. and how you would rather it be an "idealistic" rational world. But it isn't. The world runs on flimsy emotions. Check Putin. Check Trump. Check any revolutionary and tyrant. Check your parents.

Lukas urinating is part of his disrespectful power play. Probably suspects Roman as a latent gay/bi man and is demonstrating conceit hubris arrogance & rudeness. Note Roman positioned himself both times to get the money shot regardless of his play.

It's all a big-dick waving contest. Mattson also uses his height advantage in so many ways.

I absolutely loved his "are you Scooby-Dooing me here?"

You should watch Infinity Pool

“Hanna-Barbera fuckin’ business school”

So, a demon?

Roman himself called Mattson a "serious person."

I think you can argue he's just as bad as them. Like he's probably smarter. But he's pretty impulsive and moronic too. I was getting an "all the adults are gone" vibe this episode. That's a pretty cool angle to me. Like logan and Kerry said (I think), "the guy's made one piece of tech and thinks he's a genius."

@@MG-he7er Hes not, in fact when negotiating w him we can see how Logan kinda respects him, bc Matsson is probably the most similar characters weve seen in the series to Logan himself, even being able to outmanouver him and having that killer instinct that Logan talked so much ab. At the start of the episode it seemed that Matsson was utterly stupid being so condescendent to them, but in the end, Matsson turned out beating them both going over them, right there he just proved that he does has that killer instinct, not to mention that he saw right through Ken and Roms charade in only like 2 minutes talking to them lol.

@Mauro Rossi Montero yeah I'm not sure if he is or isn't. Definitely not arguing that he didn't embarrass the boys this episode. I'm just saying we've seen him have his moments, but we've seen Ken and Roman have theirs too. But we both know those two are deeply flawed. In the short amount of time we've seen Mattson, the writers showed he has some pretty major flaws of his own. Just this episode he told shiv, the sister of the brothers he's trying to fuck, that he has a history of seriously harassing an employee. I don't think that's a throwaway piece of information in this show. Also, there are clear parallels with elon musk caricature (itchy twitter fingers/impulsive decision making). But even Shiv figured that plan out. It was definitely obvious. And as for logan... that is tough. Their convo did seem pretty equal but that was it for the two of them. So yeah idk what he really thought of him. Just saying it's possible that he's an intelligent dumdum like the others. But I do know for sure that I love this show. This is one of the few things I'd comment on KZfaq for lol.

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Mattson already connected the dots

ATN is just a sentimental thing. WIth the money they are going to get they could launch a new version as well as taking Pierce and doing more left-winged news.

how did he get anything (let alone everything away)? Mattsson could have gone to the board with the higher offer any time he wanted

@@basedpatriotLT Of course, but he wanted to beat them. Hence why he was big dicking them the entire time. Because sometimes, "It is just a big dick competition."

It's not "psychotic" it's called "psychopathic". Gosh, learn the meaning of the words before you use them 🙄🙄🙄🤦‍♀️

"Psychotic" = in a state of psychosis. It's when a person with schizophrenia has hallucinations. Or when a bipolar person has the manic phase. Or it's like the movie "Psycho" where a man grooms the corps of his dead mother for years. That's psychosis. "Psychopathic behavior" = behavior OF a psychopath. That's Hannibal Lecter or Gone girl. A person who is absolutely in control of the situation. They are cold-blooded and merciless, but they know exactly what they're doing and they mean it to be that way. Basically that means malicious and sadistic behavior. That's "psychopathic". Because that's what psychopaths do (and some narcissists). The word you wanted to use in your comment was "psychopathic".

@@omg9261 People use the word psychotic in this context plenty.

@@omg9261 I’m using it as a common adjective not a DSM-5 classification. And I don’t need a vocabulary lesson.

Yes, he is angry. Dissappointed.

But he still won anyway because the spoiled kids are losers

Exactly ... Mattson's not some "evil genius." He's just as childish as the Roy siblings, just as mean and competitive as Logan and ultimately only triumphs because of his lies about India. Makes the final conflict all the more unpredictable and compelling IMHO

Rome respects the giant his dad is

You don’t get the trauma bond. His father set him up for this life of failure, just like he did the other siblings. His trauma bond to his father is part of a long term attempt to deny reality. His father was a prick, he would be embarrassed because just as Roman said, “we’re nothing.” This is just pure tragedy, there is no silver lining.

how did he play in his hands? Mattsson could have gone to the board with the higher offer any time he wanted. No significance of Roman's behavior here.

How did he play into his hands? By making Matsson offer even more money? Wow, Matsson really showed them!

​@@basedpatriotLT he's like Logan hes not really gonna do that unless he doesn't think his big dick can get him through it

@@liljackypaper he made it so that the old guard knew and they couldn’t sell, he forced them to sell just like Kendall forced vaulter to sell, vaulter “won” more money but he lost what he wanted, his company. Plus I feel like matsson recorded it or something

I doubt that Matsson is legitimately using these little antagonizations as a way to gain leverage in the deal. It feels more like the deal is going to happen or it isn't, depending on the actual business factors, and everything between Matsson and Kendall/Roman is just fucking around. None of the conversation between him and the Roys actually fucking matters, because what matters is the numbers. Is ATN making money? Is it going to continue to make money? Can Matsson change the company so it makes even more money? That's all that matters.

it was all added in post...nobody records dialog on a mountain

@@istillsing1234 sure but for that line he was standing completely still as if when they acted the scene out there was a pause/silence for effect. I don't think that line was there when they acted the scene

@@theslyngl Agreed, the level on it is not in sync with everything else. Not noticeable to me on first watch through though.

I love how it sounds I rewatched it 10 times and cackled

I feel like it could be fixed to sound more natural it just sounds like it’s mixed a bit too loud

Mattson's furious at Roman's naked gall and undisguised contempt ... AND he "loved that shit." He was sort of bored and listless before, but learning he had an actual conflict on his hands with Roman and Kendall, a FIGHT where he could BEAT someone ... THAT he most definitely loved!

Not once

I'm surprised that not everyone is grasping this. This scene is fundamentally a sad reminder of how Roman has not processed his father's death, it's not some big "win" just because he told a guy to go fuck himself.

How so?

Honestly, I thought Roman looked whiny and weak. Mattson was two steps ahead of the CE-Bros the entire time.

@@Seitanic_panic I can see that

@@Theu159 Mattson saw right through their bs and used Roman’s threat against him by going around him. Making the offer to the board (Frank) instead of them.

He didn’t play them. He paid an absolute fortune for a company that was worth a fraction. It’s the fictionalized version of Elon buying Twitter.

if the monologue didn't do it already, that voice crack at 4:44 while storming off definitely should

Logan is a dying breed but it’s good that his breed is dying.

@@patty1247 why?

@@patty1247 Yes absolutely lol. But while cultural zeitgeists may change - greed remains greed. And it seems this tech-bro is just as perverse and avaricious as his predecessors.

Then how did Mattson made billions? Its not clear , but it seems ho didnt have a rich daddy to lean on and is self-made. Unlike sibs

@@vasvas8914 It’s been implied several times that he comes from old money, same as them

Ken’s seen it before. Just there to stop Lukas from smacking Rome hard in the mouth.

he's not serious lol

@@therealkendallroy Why isn't he serious?at least he's not some spoiled useless manchild

running circles around them by upping his offer massively?

@@bobdole6768 He clearly doesn't care about the money. He went higher then they expected but wanted ATN as well. The board liked the first deal and would have sold. And then he raised it again after the debacle on the plane just to troll them with an even bigger offer so they have no moves.

@@TheGoonSquadd It's a win win for kendall though, either they tank the deal or get more money than they would have otherwise

“Played like them a fiddle” he paid a Premium nobody expected for the purchase of their companies. Not saying he didn’t end up with everything he wants, but it was only by way of pure capital. He didn’t grind any bones to dust.

None of the kids are smart. And Shiv only seems somewhat capable because she was Daddy's favorite so she had a safety net.

He’s referring to the fact that the villains in Scooby Doo are often fools in scary disguises. In this case, Ken and Rome have ill intentions and are playing the fool to force Matsson’s hand. Also, his comment about theme parks being haunted is referencing how the motivation for Scooby Doo villlains to keep people out of a place is often because they are trying to keep/hide something for themselves.

Who knew having more money can do huh

Uh huh

Well, Alexander Skarsgard is 47 years old, so.. That explains it.

You've got to be kidding... Have you seen how Kendall tried to negotiate Waystar's debt with the bank? He acted like a complete clown.

​@@CynicalBastard511yeah that's back when he had was still relatively inexperienced. Everything he went through in the subsequent seasons toughened him a bit.

​@@therealkendallroy Well, Kenny, all you had to do was follow Gerri's advice. She was there to help you and she looked in horror as you tried to act tough and failed miserably. She had even provided you with all the material you needed, including even some sort of "script" of what to say to Mr. Polk, who then proceeded to roasted you like a Thanksgiving turkey.

"In the kingdom of the blind the one eyed man is king" They're all morons