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As a zyra player, this is literally how I have played her forever. Other reason not too rely too much on build sites and think for yourself

Also the insane vision she provides.

I've always maxed W second, but I do alternate between Q and E depending on what the game state starts to look like. Normally if the jungler is something that can only really just run at you fast then I'll max E for the root duration.

I’ve always maxed w second for this reason. I feel validated

As zyra player, I can confirm this is a great video.

i think recognizing when to max q and e is important. if you are in a lane where you have high kill potencial, with trist or samira, maxing e for root duration is amazing. on the other hand if you have ezreal, and enemies are idk janna and aphelios, you want to max q for poking

This is how I learned to play her when I used to play her more. glad this info is getting around because it makes laning phase so much easier lol

As a zyra player, i play lux

The only tricky part is to try not to steal adc's minions

"high elo zyras" AKA duoking1

Me as a zyra mid: STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM. Don't expose our strats to these wood div lickers.

Yeahhh I don't know about that. One of the big benefits of getting E maxed is the root duration increases and eventually synergizes with your ult; it goes from a 1 second root to 2 seconds at max rank, and your ult takes 2 seconds before it does the knockup.

Zyra has always been on of my loved ones even tho I never played it.

You should max E first as every point put into E will increase the root duration. If you do not max E people can just walk out of your E R combo. Rank 1 E has a 1s snare which scales up to 2s at Rank 5. Plant damage does not scale with points put into each ability so maxing Q falls off as soon as the laning phase ends. I do agree with maxing W second though as the cdr it gives is really good especially bcs Zyra's damage is very plant dependent. Maxing W gets especially annoying as soon as you have Rylai's as you can just spam spawn plants to zone enemies off objectives like baron/dragon. (Edits for readability)

Zyra is also the best bottom side leasher cutting down the junglers clear time by mere 3 sec which is huge!

As a not zyra player, I can confirm that the right way to play her.

Already doing that because i don't listen to other people and play how I prefer anyways which was always q max - its more efficient and useful

I main her and yes thank you for enlightening others, people needed to know how much more value her Q provides over her E

This is flat out wrong. You can look up what high elo Zyra’s build and have success with too. E max into w max. She has insane kill potential with E and the slows from her plants are crazy too! Q isn’t really big for damage… it’s just poke. I see so many of this guys videos and it just feels like you’re trying to force things that just… aren’t there. Idk, but to everyone else, try E max into W second, you’ll love it!

Bruh this was and will always be the way i play Zyra. She got me to Plat 1 with Swain and Maokai back then.

I mean I opt for electrocute below Diamond and go max E cuz it’s just freelo. People can’t dodge her E. but since her NEW buffs Q max is definitely better NOW.

FACTS! I'm a Zyra Main and this is how I've always played Zyra. It just makes sense

You missed a huge tip, you can cast Q and if you are fast enough place your W before the Q animation goes through allowing you to position your plants where you want, being unpredictable for the enemy and guaranteeing your poke

It all depends on the lane you're playing. Poking is great but if you have an aggressive ADC and their bot lane has limited to no escape, having E will help you secure that kill.

The reasons I would go E over W max depends on the meta, going into assassins, the slow increase can make or break your ability to stay alive

Thank you!! I couldn’t see why the classic way was superior, I was not missing something. Max Q first, then the ammo clip, happy hunting.

I play with Q start... Why on earth would you start with the long cd e unless you were suddenly invaded?

The pressure that Q+W combo and only using E when enemy engages give permanent lane prio

on top of that rushing to get Rylai's scepter is really helpful for your q, w combo either for engage or to flee

Idk as a Zyra main you can max any ability first and still be S tier if you know what you're doing but I do max W early for most matchups because more seeds = success

E max prolongs the time enemy will be rooted, E max is an old school also, when supports had almost no gold income like in Season 3

Every single champion, besides a few very versatile ones like Malphite, will have a "1 point wonder" spell. That one spell that is gonna be still amazing while its lvl 1 and you have 4 items lvl 15

In ARAM, it's Q E W all the way but I see why a real map like SR would benefit from the bulb regen

Idk but I max E first as a support, and carry games because of the increased cc. Maxing Q might offer more damage, but it gives you less strength to stop a teammate from making a mistake/less supportability for the adc. While you shouldn't be reliant on your team, if isn't grandmaster or extremely high elo, E max is the way to go. Because in higher elo your team knows how to survive ganks, and in low elo they simply dont, so you need a different playing style there. You could argue about transitioning at a certain point though. In low elo, enemies are also worse at dodging. So maxing E is far more valuable. Getting that 1 pick with a 2.5 second root can win a fight before it happened.

As a diamond zyra main, not how I do it at all. Everyone has their own style ofc. But start E, then W, then Q, maxing W and E first. (Root duration is much more useful) (plant regen time also). The trick is that Zyra players don’t use is plant placements. When you use E, while it’s travelling you place the plants where you want them as it gives no time for a reaction (this also tricks the enemy) you can literally place it directly on them as the E is travelling. (Whenever they are even if your E misses) Ideally you want to hit the E and place plants on them or behind them while the E is moving. If you see that the enemy is going to dodge the E, then you place the plants where they will move to (while the E is also still travelling). (Make sure you also get the hit box trained so you know how far you can place plants and still proc them with the E) Once you master the timing on the E travel and the plant placements, you’re golden. You only want to use the Q to get extra damage once you hit E and W on them. This is also how you can block Naut Q’s, blitz, and thresh easily when you train how to place them while using E. you can also do that with the Q. But I find the E tricks the enemy better and faster to use the combo. As you can stun, plant and Q. Whereas if you Q, W, or W, Q, is much harder to then hit E or hit as much in total. Also while an enemy is running you want to do the same E then W as the E reaches max distance. This slows them while also giving no reaction times for the enemy as it’s unavoidable.

Maxing E first is what allows you to chain the root with ult knockup, that's why they were leveling it first, but poke zyra benefits more from Q

yeah I've always gone Q > W > E and build alot of CD items, i often manage to outdmg everyone on my team

i always questioned why porofessor suggests you max E before W on zyra and now i'm glad to learn i wasn't the only one

Fun fact: While playing sona against poke champions, you MUST max W. not because of the healing only, but the Shield gets stronger, and so does the damage reduction passive. Her Q can be Second upgrade against this types of team. Against Engage Heavy botlanes, E max can be way helpful to dodge enemies, if you're struggling to say behind minions.

I like maxing E and run it through enemy minion waves then snare enemy champions because they never see it coming 😍

I used to play zyra and when I recently looked up the current meta build and saw the ability order they put i was astonished. E max is only good in low elo where no one can dodge anything anyways.

Ngl that’s kinda how i always played her 😂 but was doubting it when people we’re saying max e first

It really depends, her E is good if you are supporting an weak early game adc or mid against melee. If you want to take her Q first then your team must have a lot of aggressors and actively look for early game fight

Maxing E is fine if you are going utility build. Utility build is great vs melee and diver comps. Max Q is best with AP build. Comet + Scorch and Q max is great lane control Every game is different. Also, R should be used as area denial tool, not necessary to combo with E. Proper placement of R will win you fights even if you don't hit anyone with it

my build guide has shown me this since forever, how is this a secret

I've , never, ever seen somebody mention you should max E. I've been playing supp around mid/high dia for years. Guess something changed

Max E if you are low elo. It's way easier to stun people in low elo. Besides, it's a stun that hits everyone and doesn't get blocked by minions, literally the best stun in the game. Maxing w as your second skill is right tho. We need seeds, and they are free 🤑

Skill path is subjective to the game you're in, which role you're in, which lane opponent(s) you're up against. Restricting adaptability immediately drops this recommendation out of S tier into A tier. This short is purely for continuous poke. All-in potential wants maximum damage from all sources and Liandries doesn't increase damage if you are overwriting the debuff from many sources, so yes Q->W is good, but when you are 1v many and against good players? E is what you are using to save lives on your team, it is what I focus when I need to turn the tide asap. Maxing E on Zyra is her counterplay for being dived continuously in 2v4s or worse. If ur only getting 1-2 Qs out per fight then reduced cdr on it is far less use. W second is still powerful because u can spread out the slows along the path (and then abuse that for the necessary kiting)

plants deal same dmg no matter if you upgrade q or e, the main thing for max e is the root duration, doesnt give time to flash or dodge ulty with dash, new season items with tenacity makes it even harder, dmg is higher then q, and for sup is better to have longer roots since there is an actual dmg dealer, thats just mine opinion

as i love that champ i did this too. also i always adjust my item depends on the enemy team

'At the moment' I'll take your word for it.

I've been doing that maxed Q/W then level 1 E skill/ability order ever since

As an aram player, i can say Zyra is pretty OP

I never looked at guides for her, i always focused e last and assumed it was that way for everyone

I found it funny that this is exactly how I play Zyra all the time because it feels right to me.

That Orianna screenshot for you to click in n ….. it took me 3 times to found out the blur Zyra at the back ( I know girls take photo like that all the time!)

Doesn’t matter which rank she is or what kind of skill she possesses, Zyra will always be a walking bag of gold for me.

same with brand, always max E first (builds say max Q)

I go for a more burst oriented midlane build. Dark Harvest, Dark Seal, E max W second Q Last. This works pretty well, especially if you build ludens or Everfrost instead of Liandrys.

i never maxed anything but W first higher W means more plants and the plants damage is independent from the Q and E level

Q+W into bushes to gain vision or simple pressure enemy to stay away. Also plants tank dragon hits for you jg

I played Zyra 3 years ago and ALWAYS MAXED q then w and e just for quick stun

This is how'd I want to play a bard. Good content! Hahaha

I am weird then. Never looked up a build guide but I always maxed E 1st but always do 3 Es, 2 Ws, Max E. Then 2 Qs, 3E, Max Q. Mainly to lower W cooldown during laning where i don't have to try very hard to land E then after laning, it's mainly focusing on damage with Q.

I’ve played Zyra for years and never knew people maxed E. It’s always been QWE for me, so this video was baffling

This has been the standard build ages ago I don't know why the community shifted lol. I was still playing her this way since like Season 5. You max Q first for great poke and a reliable tool. W next because your plants are you main mid game tool and you decided which whether Q or E to proc it. E last because root doesn't go up a ton and often you're using it to get the slow or fast Ult combo. Wild that it shifted this much.

When I play as a Zyra supp, I start with E then W and when I reach level 3 I start maxing up Q. I sometimes go Zyra mid and there is when I start with the Q. 🌱🌹

Finally Zyra appreciation ❤

Back when i played consistently, this was the build. I stopped playing for a few years and the build tells me to max e. Ive been shit stomped every game i tried it. I need to revert back to the roots.

i just put 3 in W and then max E, because you dont need that poke in mid game so much. it is better getting some flashes or catches with rylais first and getting an easy E root. the zoning potential has much more value for me than the poke dmg.

I max what i need. When i play vs linear engage champions (jarvan jungle and leona supp maybe) E is a great way to stop and punish them. The CD doesnt go down, but the root gets longer. Vs high monility champs it makes no sense tho.

More like, high elo zyra players know there is no one way to max her abilities. It all depends on your match up. There is justification for all kinds of variations on how to max her spells. Same thing for her builds and ruins. Go check Melyns guide

I've been playing tower defense with this skill order for years 😂. I usually go everfrost since I'm not getting the root duration from e maxing. But liandrys is a better item ATM, BUT Rylais > mandate is where the sauce is at.

whenever I see a Q-W combo from a zyra player, i knew he's a pro zyra

“no counter play” just go Miss Fortune 💀

On launch it was either max because it affected the CD, but that’s. It the case anymore, and hasn’t been forever. I’ve been telling people stat sites are not meant to be taken literally and should support decisions not make them for you

I once had someone question why I was maxing traps first on Caitlyn. They found out when I walled off the entire river while we did Baron. Lol

It’s insane how changing 1 thing can make a trash champ become broken like wen I was maxing q first on sion then wen I maxed e first I went on a 12 game win streak this has been nerfed awhile but it use to be very very broken like if u remember support ap e max sion

As a Zyra main, this was very helpful. I learned to never listen to skillcapped for advice. This was crap.

I'm a zarya 1 trick player (diamond). i max E->Q->W E scaling gives you more root time duration. you wanna be lvl 13 with 0.75 sec root? ROOOT!? no, also it ensure your hit your Q after the root. my style ensures all abilities hit, including 2nd part of ult (the knockup), more plant hits and a 1,5sec root to multiple targets. you need to be braindaed to miss the E, its not too difficult to land, thresh's Q is more difficult

I was on my way to Diamond and I get put up against these Zyra abusers, she never walks up, throws Q,W and pokes me and my adc, no matter how hard we try, we couldn’t do anything…

for w max 2nd makes plants spawn faster from passuve too more plant that either come from your w or passive gives your more dps

Little do they know my aram W max liandrys rush technique 😎

As a zyra Player, I totally agree but still would level e first (and max q first ofc) bc in early game adcs don’t have that much mobility

for whatever the reason, since season 11? They started recommending E max when no one was doing it

Looked at probuilds, and as you said, the pros dont max e and go w 2nd. You're right, they go w second, but still e first

I played her recently after being a zyra player a few years ago and was SO confused on why they were saying max e???

I'd max Q only if I got an early lead. Being behind or in an unfavorable matchup I'd max E.

Yeah just like Warwick, they recommend maxing Q which is inting most of the time as you cant sustain the mana cost in toplane or will have a super slow clear in jungle. (And W is literally and figuratively broken anyways lol) People in League need to be more flexible in general anyways. Going back to WW and assuming you play top, you may have start putting points in W to play for all-ins but missplayed, got ganked or smth and died. You're now behind. If you know you have no more kill pressure it's useless to keep upgrading W and you'll maybe want Q points for regen or E points against dive or DPS champs. Idk about other champs since I'm an OTP but I'd assume this applies to some extent to most.

Just curious but what build would you recommend on her?

So it's time for the Ashe - MF return, zyra was the unique reason for this duo in pro play hahaha

I'm actualy low master main support and main zyra, and I'm not agree with Q max first. The cc duration is insane, even if the root is slow it's easy to reach ennemy. Abuse bush, zone with Q/W/passifs, and when there are opportunités ( and there are a lot) try to root. Like when adc will AA a cs/ supp will targon or try to poke a little bit. When you roam mid or invade jgl with your jgl, hit with E almost egal to 100% death, you have enought burst.

My boy Ezreal countering himself again

Zyra was my first level 6 champ

I'm a new player, came to relax from dota. I played with bots and often saw them picking Zyra on mid. Then, I got a skin shard and decided to read about Zyra's abilities. Thinking that she would be perfect support was my first thought.

I have been maxing W for shorter reload time for the seeds 😂😂

As a zyra player, q max is the absolute last for me, since for mid to late game you don't care about hitting it at all, you just spam it with w from safe distance, to zone ppl away and proc the burn/slow. In laning phase it's cool to hit q for plants target prio, but if you don't wanna get hit back, you usually spam it further away from them. Maxing e first gives you way higher dps potential, bcs of longer root duration, that makes huge difference with r combined, so prove me wrong, but this video is a troll.

I dont play zyra often but I thought it was common practice to max q first

I've always upgraded like thia make sense