This 3D Software Was Killed To Make Maya Better

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9 ай бұрын

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and was it worth it to sacrifice Naiad?
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@SuperemeRed 9 ай бұрын

The best part about Houdini is that it's not Autocrap.

@GraphicDesignNY 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk is the Godzilla of the 3D software industry. They either ate, assimilated or destroyed Alias, Wavefront, 3D Studio, SoftImage, Topaz, Electric Image and many others. I am sure an argument can be made that they had an influence on the end of SGI as well. Good video, do more.

@fingfufar9878 9 ай бұрын

I think so yeah, Houdini is simply so far from Bifrost, and it's almost impossible to catch up at this point

@MarquisDeSang 9 ай бұрын

Remember what they took from us. They took Softimage XSI, the best 3D software ever made.

@kingwizard341 9 ай бұрын

Softimage was legendary

@ChaosWolfNinja 9 ай бұрын

Softimage rocked!!! Vitaly still uses the last version ever made still to this day.

@clausbohm9807 9 ай бұрын

I remember when I built the swiss army knife tutorial in XSI. I loved the way it worked.

@ZigUncut 9 ай бұрын

Imagine if they opensorced softimage.

@MarquisDeSang 9 ай бұрын

@@ZigUncut Autodesk is the Zionist of the 3DCG world.

@toufiquzzamansabbir9864 9 ай бұрын

Dude I don't know, why I love your informative videos so much. 💚💚 Really enjoyed it.

@clausbohm9807 9 ай бұрын

Great video, nice coverage of this specific maya feature.

@driftwood-f4p 8 ай бұрын

About 10 years ago, I foresaw that Blender, Houdini, and Zbrush would be the most promising software. But for some reason, I'm still using Maya. I was the first to use Bifrost when it came out. To this day, I still think Bifrost is just a prototype product. Yes, Bifrost can do a lot, but when you use it, it always feels like you're missing something.

@raw_pc 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk is the biggest villain of the CG industry. 3d studio max was the spark that ignited my love for 3D back in the 90's. Today however every software from Autodesk is like the remnants of the long gone era. VFX are made in amazingly flexible and cheap to maintain Houdini. 3D motion graphics is made mostly in affordably priced Cinema 4D and rendered in super fast GPU powered Redshift or Octane. And there's the holy grail, the hero that has risen like the phoenix from the ashes - Blender 3D. Blazingly fast developing 3D package that is completely free to use for everyone. It has two amazing rendering engines. It has ever evolving, powerful tools and the best community there is. Plus all creative add-ons are expanding the capabilities of this software immensely. Autodesk is the greedy company stuck in the past...

@brunobordini7696 9 ай бұрын

I like Maxon and Cinema 4D! But to make Cinema 4D even better, MAXON could acquire INSYDIUM for awesome simulations!

@Deliveredmean42 9 ай бұрын

Eh, better be careful. Aquiring studio/software is what got us in this situation, especially Autodesk. A collab between these two will probably be better and much cheaper in the long run.@@brunobordini7696

@smashedlegends 9 ай бұрын

Blender is cool but its VERY far from Maya. Its not a professional tool for pipelines. Its cool because its free.

@villain42 8 ай бұрын

amazingly flexible Houdini? YES cheap to maintain Houdini? HAHAHAHA! (yes i know and use apprentice and indie, those are really cheap to learn and go indy. did you see the normal license price tag what vfx studios pay? you get a LOT for the price, regardless it is EXPENSIVE!)

@alexas8787 8 ай бұрын

@@smashedlegends Actually Maya is far form Blender. Blender is professional software, can do everything what Maya can, and plus much more. Jealous ??

@samcraftYT 9 ай бұрын

I was part of MPC FX crew in Montréal and we did not use Bifrost. I know London did use it. Actually Scanline software Flowline was use. It was the last time Scanline allow us to use Flowline. So we did with à mix of houdini but at the time houdini Licenses were not cheap: we had 8 Licenses for all Studios in the world...

@elconquistador3340 9 ай бұрын

Actually technically Naiad has nothing to do with Bifrost, what they've acquired is the team, Bifrost is a completly different system and much more faster and modern. Also the pyro solver is much more advanced then any solver out there, it's a next gen combustion solver, not even houdini has that, though WETA has something similar (you can read the paper about it for more information). Still lots to do because they are aiming to have everything in Bifrost, so it's really not true at all that they are not working on it, USD which is a huge chunk is already running inside Bifrost as an authoring USD tool

@juancarlosgzrz 9 ай бұрын

and why it looks horrible? Bifrost can't keep up with Houdini

@elconquistador3340 9 ай бұрын

@@juancarlosgzrz the most stupid comment i have ever seen, what that even mean "look horrible"? you can do thing that looks horrible in any app with an idiot in front. also overall houdini is far ahead on features, but on some part like the pyro solver, the bifrost pyro solver is more advanced

@SupSupa10 9 ай бұрын

But the quality is sucked. That's the most important

@xanzuls 9 ай бұрын

Faster?🤣🤣

@elconquistador3340 9 ай бұрын

@@xanzuls yes the code execution (because like houdini it's compiled) is faster , performance on instance etc

@raspas99 8 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly bifrost has currently best combustion solvers in commercial software. Also simulation of big bodies of water even though 10 years old is by far the best. But yeah, Autodesk is extremely slow. They don't want to innovate because others will become more competitive which will come back to them making them work harder. They like the status quo..

@ZigUncut 9 ай бұрын

Moral of the story? dont let autodesk (or adobe) near your product.

@MayaGuytutorials 9 ай бұрын

Going against the grain in the comments here but the way I see it it's early days. Bifrost dropped into Maya in 2019 and was super beta and stayed in beta for a while. Houdini took years and years to be where it is now, there is no comparison to be had, Houdini is incredible but was born in 1996 ! that's 17 years of development . The bifrost team is small (but mighty) and it's moving forward constantly with allot of ground to cover. It's been a game changer for the work I can offer clients without leaving Maya. AD hasn't killed Bifrost off at all and I don't know what gave you that idea. From where I see it it's the opposite. P.S thanks for showing my work if you had reached out I would of given you something more high res to work with dude.

@driftwood-f4p 8 ай бұрын

Bifrost is not an independent software, it is just a function of Maya, a new component. Maya's first release was in 1998. If you have to compare development years, you should compare Bifrost to Houdini's KineFX, VOPS, or Solaris USD.

@CGElementary 6 ай бұрын

I don't think enough research has been done in the making of this video, and I'm not sure if the others who comment and complain about Autodesk have ever tried to use Bifrost to see what exactly it offers and what it can do. bifrost is ahead of its time in many areas but sadly autodesk is not really good at advertising, so most people don't even know what it can do.

@oscarcampbellhobson 3 ай бұрын

I mean it is sad when a big company buys another one that becomes huge really fast but they didn’t exactly ruin it

@CameronCrichtonVFXArtist 6 ай бұрын

I was working with Naiad when it was acquired, we had a visit from an Autodesk rep who told us it was to be discontinued publicly but they would support the studio if they were using it in production with bug fixes etc. Good intentions but it was three years before bifrost appeared and several more years before it was actually comparable to Naiad.

@smashedlegends 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk its like the Apple of 3d Software. Their updates are just refinements of a excellent product. Just like the Iphones for example. Blender for example is all over the place.

@HangYuriYangFX 8 ай бұрын

Ooooooob, my old clip! Fun time back then hahaha

@Jaggukajaadu 9 ай бұрын

I was maya user then I switched to blender 6 months ago ..and i must say blender is not for animation crashes a lot while rendering ..lag issue ..so now i m thinking about go back to maya again .. blender is still imperfect.. for modeling yeah blender is fast with addons but maya can handle large project...

@clausbohm9807 9 ай бұрын

i am considering using Blender for modeling (I bought a lot of addons) and then port it all over the Maya for animations/FX. What do you think? Also is Arnold better the Cycles? Finally have you ever worked with RealFlow? I still have a copy of that sw (v10.1.2) and wonder if it is a good sub to maya in that matter (fluids).

@Jaggukajaadu 9 ай бұрын

@@clausbohm9807 its depends on your work . If your workflow is fast enough then its good for you coz time is important also render quality. Second arnold or cycle - i have used many render engine arnold,vray,redshift, cycle,octane .so i can say that arnold is best but time consuming,cycle is still in experimental..need more work from dev .( But i usually use unreal engine for render my animation .) Realflow- No . My Free Advice 😁 - work smartly not desperately .

@tobymdev 9 ай бұрын

not having the same experience really, blender works great for animating and rendering here

@Jaggukajaadu 9 ай бұрын

@@tobymdev good for you ..pc specifications??

@nosirve9458 9 ай бұрын

@@Jaggukajaaduyou need to export with layers or using scenes… blender already uses python 2.0 and they are going to switch to vulkan programming so is not so far away of maya

@jason_slab 9 ай бұрын

Naiad was such a game changer for it's time, so sad Autocrap bought it. ps, thanks for showing my seaplane landing vid :D

@muser7935 9 ай бұрын

you are making me think I made a bad decision approaching C4d for simulation

@giladharnik2499 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk didn't put ANY effort in updating ANY of the plugins they equired. They just throw it and forget it.

@OnyxLee 9 ай бұрын

I really don't understand what's the deal about Autodesk. They haven't updated 3dsmax CAT for over ten years since they acquired the team. It used to get so many exciting updates before that.

@smashedlegends 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk its like the Apple of 3d Software. Their updates are just refinements of a excellent product. Just like the Iphones for example. Blender for example is all over the place.

@bnernganmont 9 ай бұрын

it was really painful but the best business decision i ever made was to dump maya

@jbdh6510 3 ай бұрын

What tools are you using now?

@bnernganmont 3 ай бұрын

@@jbdh6510 for 3d i pretty much dumped everything for blender. I dumped maya because of stability after 15 years of high level use. .I work with a lot of ad agencies now so i often have to export stuff. but EEVEE is a huge advantage for independent artists if u know how to tweak it. Ive used pretty much everything. For sure would be nice to have some things in Blender but the workflow is amazing and its so stable. I used to hate the interface but tbh now i can see how well its designed. General goal is to eliminate multi program pipeline. i dont go elshwere for textures or sculpt or anything altho sometimes i admit i use embergen for speed.

@dalaitseren7987 9 ай бұрын

It really sucks that Bifrost geometry simulation etc.. only can rendered with slow a** arnold. unless make extra unnecessary steps just to render with another renderer. Also theres almost no systematic learning resources.

@migovas1483 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk buying something to kill it off ? LOL... Anyways, Poor Naiad, is just memory now, BiFrost ? Is ok, when your Project doesn't depend on it... Also good when you want to bring your HOUDINI particles, because you want to work in Houdini , not Maya. 😂

@hd-be7di 9 ай бұрын

Bifrost wasn't the only thing killed by Autodesk to make Maya better... Those that know, they know and they remember.

@xanzuls 9 ай бұрын

Shout out to Robert Bridson for writing Naiad

@PixelVagrant 9 ай бұрын

and dont forget SoftImage software acquisition by autodesk

@ChaosOver 9 ай бұрын

Naiad was great. Very intuitive to use. Of course you cannot compare it to modern houdini. But back then, it was a great piece of software. Very fast and very easy to use. Autodesk failed to build a good interface. Same thing with MASH... Autodesk is king in making a horrible integration. I dont know why, because core maya is easy to use for artists. And it is build for artists....but the newer stuff Is totally not intuitive. Even houdini is way more intuitive than Bifrost.

@miriades 9 ай бұрын

They integrate new plugins in Maya, but nothing is compatible in the first place. So you have to do extra work for compatibility. Houdini is way better for this. Every parts can work together because they are by nature compatible.

@CGFUN829 9 ай бұрын

Bifrost for max, what went wrong?

@juancarlosgzrz 9 ай бұрын

this

@xanzuls 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk

@andvfx 9 ай бұрын

The information is more or less accurate until autodesk adquisition, from here you do a huge mix up of things not related. After autodesk adquire naiad, it was implemented as bifrost (a fluid solver without nodes). But after this, autodesk was working on project amino, a full nodal system for all types of simulations. Marcus, who was the creator of bifrost was in charge of this new nodal system that was independent, but hookup inside maya. For whatever reason they decided to call project amino “bifrost” the same name they used for the naiad port. Funny history is that the actual bifrost you show here has all types of solvers ( mpm, smoke, vdbs, particles,…) except fluids. It also its the base for USD manipulation in naya. However as you pointed out the latests updates has been a little “boring” in terms of simulations.

@seyedalihosseinizadi4557 9 ай бұрын

Autodesk helps SideFx to be VFX artists first choice

@morname8731 6 ай бұрын

sadly people now just act like it will make them look "Cool" to spread hate toward Autodesk, even a channel like this that I was hoping to be different than other and have more reliable information is now following the same trend, bifrost came with a lot of revolutionary tools and yet instead of featuring all the techs it brought to industry, you decided to just focus on the software that was "Killed", and its really interesting that people use this word, because if they just say they hired the team and give them the time and resource to work on a bigger project it won't make autodesk look like a monster, they may even sound like good people who care about their software and customers. but lets just make it autodesk the software killer and then we have our cool little angel "blender", and how funny it is to pointing to blender in this video and saying it receive better vfx update than bifrost.

@AutodidactAnimotions 5 ай бұрын

I have Blender & Maya. The blender fans who dunk on Maya ,in the comments section of these videos, are always hard surface modeling people . It is so very obvious they are not character animators or VFX artists. Blender (with paid addons like ARP,, Faceit, animation layers) is decent for Character animation projects but it needs cached rig evaluation for better performance with multiple characters. Rigify has no useful native mocap retargeting tools even compared to Default Maya human IK certainly nothing compared to Maya Advanced skeleton Fluids?? sorry but you really need the ($70) Flip fluids add-on for anything large & complex in blender ? Smoke & Pyro??..NO match for Bifrost & Aero And there still is no cloth simulation system ,native or addon, for blender that can match Maya’s Ncloth solver in fact toyware apps like Daz studio has better clothing simulation than Blender at this point.

@AutodidactAnimotions 5 ай бұрын

I have Blender & Maya. The blender fans who dunk on Maya ,in the comments section of these videos, are always hard surface modeling people . It is so very obvious they are not character animators or VFX artists. Blender (with paid addons like ARP, Faceit, animation layers) is decent for Character animation projects but it needs cached rig evaluation for better performance with multiple characters. Rigify has no useful native mocap retargeting tools even compared to Default Maya human IK certainly nothing compared to Maya Advanced skeleton Fluids?? sorry but you really need the ($70) Flip fluids add-on for anything large & complex in blender Smoke & Pyro??..NO match for Bifrost & Aero And there still is no cloth simulation system ,native or addon, for blender that can match Maya’s Ncloth solver in fact toyware apps like Daz studio have better clothing simulation than Blender at this point.

@claystudiofx 6 күн бұрын

when AUTODESK buy your product, It means AUTODEAD

@ACES-BRAZIL 3 күн бұрын

No man...houdini!

@Imhotep397 9 ай бұрын

Houdini’s modeling, scene management and animation tools are ass and they always have been. This is the primary reason they’ve always been well behind Maya in adoption. Niad was just water simulation but not it’s a full end to end physics and simulation framework for all physics systems. While I hate Autodesk as much as the next person I realize from practical experience how much more useful Maya is than a lot of other tools in a production environment, which is why it is the industry standard. Autodesks’s Entertainment division doesn’t make them much money, which is why they went subscription. I wish Apple would get off the sidelines with 3D and adopt 3rd party GPUs and acquire AD’s Entertainment division among other companies and just end the tyranny of subscriptions. It would better for everyone.

@7SNProd 9 ай бұрын

Maya Ak Houdini Bane Mosi guene Guaraw !!

@shlokbhakta2893 9 ай бұрын

Is it just me or does the maya ui look unappealing. I dont know but to me the icons and color scheme make it look like something from 2010 lol. When I look at at something feels off

@driftwood-f4p 8 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, these designs are a major update released in 2016. They are proud of it.

@jensenraylight8011 3 ай бұрын

it's not about looking hip, it's about showing all the important information in one page and everything you need is within your sight. the last thing you want is the Menu that was hidden in 5 Click indented menu tucked somewher just because you want your UI to look clean. also maya script is customizeable, and can be put within your reach. sometimes boring UI gets the job done, and in this case, a 2010 looking UI icon apparently was easier to locate because it had a distinguishable Visual Cue, if you can access it right away, you can develop a muscle memory for it, and your workflow will be Crazy fast. yes, they probably can make a 2024 looking UI, but, it will get in the way of your work, obstruct everything.

@shlokbhakta2893 3 ай бұрын

@@jensenraylight8011 I agree just my opinion, it seems extremely functional just old 😅 There is a reason the general UI has stayed the same for many years. It probably works really well for its users and if it enables them to make more things then more power to them! Just coming from the other side of the wall with blender it’s just a little alien for me lol

@remonkewl6598 9 ай бұрын

Bifrost is pronounced beefrost.

@lavatr8322 9 ай бұрын

I knew it Autodesk is focking CVNT

@adrianwyer8382 9 ай бұрын

now do Softimage/XSI 🤣

@jamesni7327 8 ай бұрын

The Maya architecture is old and bloated, integrating something such as bifrost is like launching a newly designed missile from a 60's plane. It will never be able to catch up with softwares with more modern design unless being redesigned from ground up, which Autodesk may never try to do.

@ShohSlaought-hh6qe 9 ай бұрын

1st comment

@audiodrocher 9 ай бұрын

Softimage 😢😭

@MrDurgaprasad369 8 ай бұрын

Maya is too slow when compared to Houdini interms of time and quality

@outpost44vfx 9 ай бұрын

Good videos but drives me crazy how the visual don;t match up with the script. Not just this video but most others on this channel. You're talking about 3DSmax and showing animation obviously done in Houdini. Or talking about Maya and showing a movie that was obviously not MAYA. I wish you wouldn't just grab random clips but actually show clips from movies where the software you're talking about was actually used. These video are best just listened to.