hahaha such a burn

@@AnnaDoes I can’t tell if MSI just had some fetish for the mean words Dawid throws around or if they just assumed he wouldn’t look at the system while testing it lol 😂… I mean maybe it’s the “all press is good press” system. Or they just don’t actually watch the other videos and where like “hey look this guy has a channel and following where he reviews our pre-built systems let’s send him one

Dawid Twitter account mysteriously stops working...

@@cv990a4 lol

Why does it say: 4 answered from dawiddoestechstuff and others but I don't see his answere? Do you see it?

Brutality!!

we really know he was not told what to say

@@fakename2966 That motherboard!!! For 5k lol Yeah I agree, just as bad as a dell mb, basically 5k for a 4090, psu, CPU and ssd. Sad.

I try and show things as they are, besides it makes for better jokes. 😂

@@cerberusloyalist5038 That was a sponsored video though, which I made clear at the start. If it helps, I only accept sponsorships for products that I already think is good. For example, MSI originally wanted this to be a sponsored video. However from the get go, I told them no, because I wasn’t confident the PC would be good. I bet the stuff carefully. 😊

Yeah & no need to go to the lengths of the HUB or GN Steve for their specific VRM Test Reviews, just the basic Harware Monitor stats would be good here.

i noticed the same. it seems to be msi's cheapest z790 "gaming" board, with everything stripped off of it... how the heck can they get away with that? they even took the m.2 slot heatsinks away.

I mean they clearly are a glutton for punishment. It’s not like Dawid said nice things about the other MSI pre-guilts lmao 🤣

tbh i thought this was a fairly positive review. that case is... polarizing. i bet there's people who see it as a draw and don't mind the build quality. the only real hit was xmp support (wtf?) and that cheapo mobo/ram, and dawid didn't hammer them for that.

@@SB-pf5rc I mean just showing the cheap ram and motherboard and mentioning that the ram looks like it was pulled from a trash bin is enough lol the cheap ram is crazy like good ram only costs like $130 for Corsair vengeance 5600mhz ddr5 🤷🏼‍♂️ or like $75 for ddr4 …. So that and the motherboard seem a little unacceptable to me But like spending this amount of money on a PC from a company that makes their own motherboards and getting something that looks cheaper than a normal MSI mag Tomahawk z690 or z590 is crazy. Like you could spend $150 on sale to $250 and get a nicer motherboard with more options than this one I believe. Idk how to feel really but being “top of the line” and having the 4090 in there and high tier CPU doesn’t really make up for everything else right?

@@SB-pf5rc I know it’s irrelevant but you could build this system with better quality components from Best Buy for like $3200. So they are charging $1800 profit and skimping on the motherboard and ram? 😰

@@slowlanegamer You can get a 64GB DDR5 kit for $130?

This guy is real

Lenode would sponsor a spineless shill for the man.

It’s a review for a reason

Id change my reviews too if I was getting free shit 💀

You'd think companies would appreciate a review like this as they'll know what they can improve on.

I couldn't figure that one out either.

@@jonboy602 the screens max resolution will always be how it’s displayed no matter what you set the resolution at. so basically your GPU can struggle it’s heart out sending 8K graphics to your monitor but your monitor will only display its max resolution like in this case was 1440p so it’s basically tiring out your graphics card for nothing lol

@@jonboy602 You fools never hear of Super Sampling? Stick to consoles plebs.

@@TeamGun what?🤣

@@makuIa That's not how it works with SS lol

Who else read that in Dawid's voice? :)

@@jasonharris8588 I also did. 😅

​@@DawidDoesTechStuffI love you

​@@thealien_ali3382love is a strong word, save it for a love interest, unless Dawid is your love interest, then pardon me xD

He's got a very friendly mug it's easy to make that mistake.

:D

Anna Does?

@@naseebsayed2394 haha soon?

Tell me the secret. I have this laptop

you know it's going to be a great video when Dawid says there no way it can end other then badly🤣🤣🤣

As bad as it was, it's sad that it's still better than a lot of other pre-builts. The most serious issues were just that the case is very cheap, dirty looking, and with a goofy looking design, and also that XMP wasn't enabled. At least the cooling and ventilation actually did work perfectly well. The bios also sucked, but at least it works and does the basic things it's supposed to do.

@@syncmonism Make no mistake, I would brtu gladly accept it if they sent be one. I'm just not able to tell if it was worth the price.

​​@@syncmonism the vrm is terrible. It doesn't have any heatsinks and only has ~8+2 phases? I'm not confident in that it can suply over 160W constant and for a $5000 prebuild that's just terrible. You'll either experience vrm throttling or a power limit. In both cases it will decrease performance. And even if it isn't it is probably running in the 100c range and most capacitors are only rated for 5000Hours @105c. And someone who buys a 5000 prebuild probably games all day not 2 hours a day. It won't last long...

@@apotato5563 This is why I will never buy a prebuilt, they always skimp on the motherboard, power supply, case, etc.

Yep & it's always a better day i it is a DawidDTS video day😁

That’s great to hear! I’m glad you don’t find them hard to sit through. 👍

@@shaneeslick Thanks Shane! 😃

@@DawidDoesTechStuff I suffer Clinical Depression & Severe Anxiety & your videos are Awesome at Distracting my brain from that, making me laugh & giving me happy thoughts, so Big Thank You to you Anna & Neko🧔👱‍♀😺😁

@@shaneeslick I’m glad they offer you a distraction and I wish you all the best for what you are going through. 😊

12TB SSD = $4000 12TB HDD = $200 makes sense to me.

@@joe--cool lol i spent like 800 dollars on 2 4tb samsung ssds about a year and a half ago quit lying

@@honeybadger6275 2 SSDs with 4 TB equal 1 SSD with 12 TB. And they cost the same. Fascincating. That's news to me. Heed your advice and stop lying.

getting an HDD even in this day and age still make sense and even on a higher end enthusiast build, as long as you have an Nvme for your OS and games an HDD is still a great investment for capacities above 4TB and especially if its just for media files, since an modern HDD will still have fast enough read and write speeds for video files.

Haha!! Yeah I’m curious to see how this plays out.

That's what's so weird about it. MSI knows how to make cases! They have decent low cost cases. I use one personally. Why they'd use this junk instead of one of the cases they already produce is beyond me.

@@Whiterin because they have a pretty good track record of selling odd super expensive pcs

At least three people are probably looking for a new job soon. The person who "configured" this joke, the manager who signed off on selling it like that and the one who thought sending it out for an independent review was a good idea 😂

I wonder who made the decision to send him that PC with a mechanical drive in it....Its like having a drag racing car with spare tyre donuts on the back wheels.

That 16°C Ambient is why Dawid is literally the Coollest TechTuber 🥶😂

Don't worry the 4090 is a heater

After watching Gamers Nexus review one of MSI's pre-builts, I'm mildly amused they sent a similar quality pre-built to Dawid. They must have a humiliation kink 😂😂

take away the 4090......and that thing HONESTLY looks like it's worth.....maybe $700 - $900 bucks? 🤣🤣🤣

@@Macheako Hell no, I wouldnt even pay 500 for it. I would rather have a super basic case than this weird pretend modern looking thing with a touchscreen that has the functionality of screens Ive had for a pentium 4 that went in to the CD tray haha.

thanks for the info! ...'expert' to run the ram at its rated speed tho-- 🤣

Normally on MSI BIOS there's a thing on the top of the UI that tells you to press F7 to enter Advanced Mode or Expert Mode or whatever they call it, but it's not even there when Dawid enters the BIOS. I don't think that's a retail motherboard MSI slapped into that computer, probably some cut-down one they use just for prebuilds.

@@mithikx Yup; the board has no power heatsinks at all and looks like the CSM, or Corporate Stable--office PC stuff. Normally only allows base JEDEC ram speeds and locked multipliers so a K-sku runs like non-K

@@mithikx And even in EZ mode (thats how it's called in the BIOS) there is a yuge XMP button on top.

@@mithikx yeah, the board identifies as the z790 trident x2, which means its custom for that prebuilt... and also interesting that its a z790 with no xmp, lol

Rubber grommets at the mounting points would allow for a steal bracket and provide the same noise deadening.

That’s an interesting point, but as Jason said, rubber grommets should do the same thing. To be fair, the plastic on the side panels would give in way before the radiator mount becomes a problem.

@@DawidDoesTechStuff you can always print a new one if you're feeling nerdy, but on a 5000$ system, I prefer billet aluminum CNC-machined parts, not that plastic crap. But hey, quantity over quality. 😂

I got my 4090 on full display in my corsair 680x

The CSM motherboard used here has no mosfet heatsinks so it will need a bit higher airflow

@@stephen1r2 you are right, i would recommend people doing under-volting on cpu and Graphics card, or some kind of power limits. 5% performance loss with 30% less power usage is a win in my book.

True!

Sad to say, they probably thought this was perfect...

I'd imagine they locked down the CPU hard so it didn't immediately melt its way down to the earth's core. Probably a good thing for games given the bottleneck would be elsewhere. You'd be miffed if you bought the system for productivity work, though.

Nice pick up, I missed that & it would be interesting to understand why it is only Boosting around 4-4.2GHZ as the BIOS says CPU 5.5 GHz at 11.21

I'm pretty sure that Afterburner is just reading the E-core frequencies. They never went above 4.3GHz, which lines up with stock E-core clocks. A 13900K wouldn't be pulling over 125W with such low frequencies on the P-cores.

Haha, very good point! At least use thumb screws, MSI. Come on, even low end cases have these nowadays.

HP motherboards are getting more and more terrible!

I think Afterburner was just reading the E-core frequency. They only go up to 4.3GHz stock.

HUB are Awesome too as they pull no punches either, Steve & Tim just lay it out straight as the results show

I agree, HW Unboxed is also very recommendable 👍 LTT and Jay have become a bit hit and miss imho.

Yeah that case is insulting, as is the motherboard, ram, and probably most insulting is the fact that they're including a hard drive in a 5 thousand dollar computer. My current pc cost less to build and it has 9 tb of ssd storage, which is a big reason why it cost as much as it did. (if you're wondering why its because bad internet so i dont have the luxury of reinstalling games on a whim and hdd are too slow for games these days)

if you wanna spend 5k you can get almost anything lol who (uneducated people aside) would buy this?

The motherboard is power limiting the cpu because it's junk.

Also the GPU was a huge bottleneck so it was never fully utilized, not even close. I’d have tried 1080P Medium

@@Ryan-re1rs yeah probably too!

@@Zebra_Paw theres no way a 4090 is bottlenecking that system, its definately the motherboard

@@Zebra_Paw did you just say that a 4090 was a “bottleneck”??? You can’t be serious...the most powerful GPU money can buy right now isnt bottlenecking anything broski.

It's fairly common for prebuilts to have a 500-ish ssd boot drive and a 4-ish (or more?) HDD for extra storage (If you target your DL, and Video folders manually to use it) The other issue stems from the CSM level board with no mosfet heatsinking

I'm aware it's probably booting off an m.2, since the board has 3 slots. Common or not, when we're talking $5000, I'd expect all SSDs. Especially if it's a gaming PC. Also, the listing he shows at 12:05 actually only has a 2TB ssd (which is consistent with MSI's website). Both 13700k versions of this pc come with both a 1TB m.2 and a 1TB HDD, though, so I'm really not sure what they did here. But it doesn't bode well for it being a 4TB drive... Speaking of, I haven't actually seen any prebuilts with 4TB drives. That's actually pretty cool if that's true. Not sure how the lack of a mosfet heatsink relates to ram speeds? Do they need extra cooling for higher speeds? Regardless, it's their board, so it's a fuck-up either way. edit: well... the site says the 13900kf one comes with a 750W PSU, while both 13700kf versions have an 850W PSU, sooo I'm not sure we can trust that information. Also says the 13900 has an extra usb port, the "Power Efficiency Rating" of both 13700s is "ATX", the motherboard is a Z790... not the chipset, the motherboard. Like... which one?! Y'all got like 5 of em. The AIO is described as "liquid cooling" and while all three come with Windows 11 Home, they recommend Windows 11 Pro for businesses... Who's buying a 13900k x 4090 Pc for their receptionist?! And then half the marked specs, which is supposed to indicate differences, are just exactly the same. Man, how hard is it to keep track of 3 PC configurations... Grab one off the assembly line and check. Takes like 10 mins. That spec-sheet is a clusterfuck. How are these multi million dollar companies so incompetent?! It's cause they don't care, I know...

Most of his videos he usually will state its 15°C in his studio lol. He works in a meat locker I guess.

Insanely bad case, ram, psu, and motherboard! Oh, and a hard drive. If I spent 5g on a computer and it came with a hard drive it would get sent back.

gta is that old game where physics is bound to fps

And doesn’t like to run over 140 fps. GTA IV is even worse!