This and That: The TSL Awards
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3 ай бұрынWe were so inspired by the tone deafness of the ISU Awards being held the same week that they took a sledgehammer to clean sport by denying Team Canada a bronze medal at the 2022 Olympic Games that we decided to issue our own awards to skaters off the top of our heads. Polina Edmunds, Gracie Gold, Ilia Malinin, Deanna Stellato, Ashley Wagner, Guillaume Cizeron, Eteri Tutberidze and others have given so much to the sport and want to award them on a very special edition of 'This and That'.
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@janisartuso3991 3 ай бұрын
Shoma Una deserves an award for doing his thing and being unapologetically his beautiful self
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Not quite the spirit of these awards, but he is great!
@BlueNight349 3 ай бұрын
Anna Shcherbakova deserves an award for unfollowing Eteri, I haven’t cackled that hard in a long time
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
😆😆❤️
@ddjr6673 3 ай бұрын
Wow!
@kaikey2733 3 ай бұрын
anna deserves all the awards 👏
@user-ml2lk7dy7k 3 ай бұрын
@@kaikey2733Exactamundo Truth.
@pgk3052 3 ай бұрын
Kostornaia always deserves an award, of any kind!😂
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
💯
@DanielFlores-qu2uf 3 ай бұрын
Best lack of boundaries in a skater/coach relationship Award: Kevin + Silvia. Most “more of the same” performer Award: Roman Sadovsky. Best new commentator Award: Ashley + Adam. Most likely to photobomb your kiss & cry moment Award: Tammy G. Best free dance Award: Hawayek + Baker.
@Rachel-rs7jn 3 ай бұрын
Agree with all!! 😊😄
@maytc2011 3 ай бұрын
Bella Flores deserves a media award. She has picked up 90k new followers in two months and 90% of her followers are under the age of 35. Talk about pulling in a new generation of ice skating fans.
@davelease9640 3 ай бұрын
She deserved an award for the missing partner saga. Lifetime achievement.
@elenaspano5067 3 ай бұрын
agreed! it's because one of her videos went super viral! I really hope this will bring more attention to ice dance.
@thesovgc 3 ай бұрын
What nationality is she?
@elenaspano5067 3 ай бұрын
pretty sure US!@@thesovgc
@LoLovesLife 3 ай бұрын
100% USFS should hire her as a consultant!!! She's very social media savvy!
@meredithbriski7299 3 ай бұрын
I felt this video so deeply. Keep telling the hard truths and asking the hard questions. Not enough people understand them yet.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️
@elizabethlockhart8044 3 ай бұрын
"I would rathelor get a colorectal exam than watch the ISU awards" -Dave. I want *that* T-shirt :)
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
We can make a shirt.
@elizabethlockhart8044 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson And I will buy it :)
@maytc2011 3 ай бұрын
I watched about ten minutes. It was cringe. Some song about missionaries converting people while skaters cavorted in black leather and straps.
@krob2327 3 ай бұрын
@@maytc2011converting people to what? Figure skating?
@maytc2011 3 ай бұрын
@@krob2327 watch the performance, you'll see
@Becca3232 3 ай бұрын
"If you want me to ask their favourite colour, I'll give you the contact info for golden skate" This is why I love you, Dave, never change! ❤😂
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️
@JoshuaFazeli 3 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t have been so hooked on figure skating without watching 1995 US Nationals. I was mesmerized by Nicole Bobek and Michelle Kwan looking pensive and wondering why she isn’t number one in the world and watching Carol Heiss dress like Kate Hepburn in the kiss and cry with Tonia. And to watch someone so extraordinary like Rudy Galindo, it was beautiful to be apart of an amazing artistic sport!
@melissachiang6481 3 ай бұрын
Paul Wylie, Alissa Czisny, Yuka Sato, Renee Roca, and your home coach deserve awards for appearing on your new channel!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@maryloureiff6489 3 ай бұрын
I could talk to Vincent..I've taught Vincents..He has shown more courage in speaking out than 2 federations. Plus..he loves Kazuki!
@tcduong1138 3 ай бұрын
The Silver Fox Award - Paul Wylie.
@hellsbellsmichelle 3 ай бұрын
Please bring back the Young and the Restless opening ... I live for that!
@Melissa-yr7fm 3 ай бұрын
Best Phone Interviewee - Oksana Bauil
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@meganmorris5105 3 ай бұрын
She held nothing back! I loved it!
@sleuththewild 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for the "freakishly thin" observation. Anyone who mentions thin-ness these days is generally accused of "body shaming", but in reality most folks in the skating community don't want it discussed, mentioned, noticed, analyzed. Anyone who dares say anything referencing unhealthy-looking bodies, is banned or warned for "body shaming". That's a cover up by the skating community, and in no way protects children. Actually, it does the exact opposite: we have been pressed for years not to speak about Eteri's (and others') skeletal students, with obviously unhealthy bodies, as though it was detrimental to young people to care about them and call out that what they are experiencing as wrong and exploitive.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
You can't lie to the viewer. They see what they see. It isn't shaming anyone specifically. It is about what is happening to the body types of athletes in this sport.
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
It's the same in ballet
@mabeldiamond5672 2 ай бұрын
I’ve been a skating fan since very young age, saw Peggy Fleming in the 1968 Olympics and then kept watching. Loved Dick Buttons. So I’m not a youngster and like TLS I am very critical of today’s skating personnel. I can’t even begin to talk about the Russians. I’m not too keen on the kids, when a young lady who has a mature body and presence on the ice that beats the skinny legged Russian kid doing 10 triples.
@ChristineTheHippie 3 ай бұрын
Vancouver Olympics were my happiness place, especially the women. Kim Yuna, Mao Asada and Joannie Rochette all had amazing stories. Kim Yuna, Kaetlyn Osmond and Kaori Sakomoto are the OGMs in my heart
@JackAShepherd 3 ай бұрын
Yuna-Mao-Carolina era was the best era Vancouver Ladies was the best Olympic Ladies event
@ChristineTheHippie 3 ай бұрын
@@JackAShepherd 💯. The perfect triumvirate
@tcduong1138 3 ай бұрын
@@JackAShepherd Totally agree! When I think about the clean free skates from the top 4 and Laura Lepisto! This was an event when people earned their placement and the winner laid down the best skate.
@meganhayes6449 3 ай бұрын
This video is everything!! Love you both so much
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@reneecarlson1784 3 ай бұрын
Dave, you were extremely exuberant in this episode - thanks for keeping me laughing on a Monday morning!!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@curseknight5 3 ай бұрын
I know we are all really focused on the doping... but are we just going to ignore the other elephant in the room which was her scores? The Olympic channel just reminded me of Yuna in 2014 and how everyone was behind her by comparing techniques and jumps to Sotnikova... fast forward to 2022 watching the team event... every toe jump for Kamila was pre-rotated on the ice with a full blade take-off and still giving her 105 points in technicals... meanwhile Kaori would get a yellow just to review her edge change on a lutz... What has changed for clean skating from 2014 till now?
@Rachel-rs7jn 3 ай бұрын
Yes, that is the enormous issue that I'm worried will not get addressed if/when the Russians come back. It wasn't just the doping but the insane judging that propped them up.
@specialj67 3 ай бұрын
On the one hand, I agree with you. On the other hand, selective enforcement of certain rules and biased judging have always been (and will always be) part of the sport. It’s what happens when you have humans judging other humans. Of course, there is always something that could be done to reduce the impacts of biased judging and rule enforcement, so there should always be efforts taken to reduce it where possible. But also, we should just be realistic that there is no one way or combination of ways to fully eliminate these kinds of issues.
@maguscallidus2984 3 ай бұрын
Best baker: Kamila's possibly non-existent half-grandfather
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@shewhocreatesherself 3 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂
@krob2327 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLessonwhy isn’t the dr shevtsky investigated more. Seems Christine and Phil were too scared to ‘go there’ and blame it all on eteri.
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
@@krob2327see how much power Eteri has? That's why Kamila was thrown to the wolves. Disgusting she's the most talented skater that ever lived in my opinion evidenced by her young performances even pre-junior she was exceptional with her balletic and rhythmic gymnastics abilities
@troyroepke6071 3 ай бұрын
I want the same thing as Dave....Amber being coached by Raf and winning the gold
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
100%
@trylogic4084 3 ай бұрын
Please don't take this the wrong way, but what could Raf do for Amber? It seems to me that her jumps are strong. They're fast and fully rotated. This is just my opinion, but because she can't seem to skate two clean programs in a competition, and sometimes just completely falls apart if she makes a mistake, she needs some other kind of help. And to my knowledge, which comes from Mariah Bell and Adam and Ashley Wagner, that's not really Raf's forte. I'm not all-knowing, and if I'm wrong, I would love it if someone could straighten me out.
@specialj67 3 ай бұрын
@@trylogic4084I’m sure part of the benefit of a coach like him is having someone with connections and power in the world of figure skating.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Publicity. Politics. Forcing her to actually do her program every day. Her long program efforts indicate that she doesn't train the long with the triple axel as consistently as she should - and multiple sources from the world arena confirm this. The media loves Rafael. He is a personality like the Karolyis. Even getting a quote from Rafael will elevate her to the next level. Judges just seeing him at the boards will elevate her scores. Imagine the judges Rafael could even put in a good word with at the hotel bar or while getting coffee. Or washing his hands in the bathroom. That carries much more weight and respect than Damon Allen and Tammy. It is time to start thinking bigger than domestic BS politics. That is how figure skating works.@@trylogic4084
@stoneprum 3 ай бұрын
RAF made Mariah Bell a US champion and an Olympian! Also Ashley Wagner
@sschimel 3 ай бұрын
Loved hearing about the empty arenas for Starson Ice. I'm old enough to remember seeing The Ice Capades at Madison Square Garden (not even the current one, but the previous one) and it was a full house. But even in the 80s, I went to the World Pros outside of Washington, D.C. and it was packed and that was during a blizzard. We all walked out to a parking lot of cars that were buried in snow.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
They must have been amazing experiences.
@sschimel 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Skating comedians Frick and Frack were still skating in the 60s. And I went to two different World Pros. The first time, in 1988, the second time in 1995, so I got to see the best skaters of those eras. Awesome. @@TheSkatingLesson
@sschimel 3 ай бұрын
Some memories stand out. Gary Beacum was a genius. And Underhill and Martini were fabulous.
@BillyWhaler 3 ай бұрын
So unfair. Hackensack may not offer three doctors of varying specialities. But the snack bar does promote dazzling culinary treats such as burgers, hot pretzels and funnel cake. Justice for Hackensack.
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
Dave, I hope you know how much you make my work day better. I secretly listen to you on my earphones and I'm always delighted when you post! ❤❤❤❤
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️😘
@user-sb7mj8zu8m 3 ай бұрын
Thank you guys, you made me laugh.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@dedmatters 2 ай бұрын
first 10 minutes: salute to the chemical engineer viewer. thank your for that info.
@Zebbiejw 3 ай бұрын
This whole episode is hilarious! I didn't think TSL could make me laugh more than last week with the "Christmas Tree Leprechaun" comment but Dave has surpassed himself this week with "He took a sh*t on the ice 2 years running" 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️
@willmosher1373 3 ай бұрын
My favorite moment was when Jonathan said, “You’ll be happy to know Benoit won the choreographer of the year award”. I died laughing immediately (burst out laughing before Dave said anything) because I knew Dave would have the best response to that. That made my day because I knew Dave would rip into that one. LOL
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
😆😆❤️❤️
@willmosher1373 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson I was in the gym late at night working out and listening and thankfully no one (literally no one) was there. I had to hit pause on the video before the response to Jonathan saying it. It is one of my favorite TSL moments now - just the anticipation - nevertheless the response.
@SecondPlaceYuya 3 ай бұрын
Everyone skating to downtempo crappy Coldplay or Muse music certainly doesn’t make skating any more watchable.
@LaurenCinema 3 ай бұрын
😂
@GayleFalkenthal 2 ай бұрын
If I have to listen Muse AGAIN for the 400th time I might pass out. Just. Stop. It. News flash, there are other songs out there!
@MaryS_333 3 ай бұрын
This episode brought me so much joy 😂 Best Frank impression goes to Dave 🎉
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️😘
@stephaniearcher2692 3 ай бұрын
Dave you are on FIRE today 😂😂😂😂😂 Killing myself laughing!!!! I would love to experience your uncensored thoughts 🤣🤣
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@seashellez 3 ай бұрын
We need to bring back the TSL Y&R intro!
@tweetiepie2023 3 ай бұрын
I read the Rodchenko book (listened to it on Audible.)wow what an eye opener...
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Indeed
@tweetiepie2023 3 ай бұрын
@TheSkatingLesson Do you know if the reasoning section of the Valieva verdict is going to be published? That would be really interesting...
@NG-ue4th 3 ай бұрын
Actual best comeback skater while changing programs a hundred times and being unnecessarily shocked at her scores: Aljona Kostornaia
@DianneStrickland-uj4iw 3 ай бұрын
Give M. Duhamel an award!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Her response to the snub: I don’t need an award I have all I need in terms of awards lol Let polina have this. I have world gold
@thesovgc 3 ай бұрын
Most Complicated Relationship With Skate Canada
@KitKat-jr6eh 3 ай бұрын
Best transportation volunteer 😂
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Ha!!!!!@@KitKat-jr6eh
@Joesotrue 3 ай бұрын
Hilarious show! Love the way your brain works Dave 😂
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@kerryperryman3025 3 ай бұрын
You have to become some sort of consultant for these skaters to give them input on everything. You are great at this!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️
@corgeousgeorge 3 ай бұрын
Wha? It's not NORMAL for 15 year olds to have heart conditions? it's one in a million yet Eteri's rink had 4 with heart issues over the past decade or so? Hmm... what an interesting coincidence that obviously isn't sketchy in any way!
@etherealtb6021 3 ай бұрын
If it were real, they'd have gotten a medical exemption. You know, like the one they're always complaining about Simone having!
@catherinesullivan641 3 ай бұрын
Helps their hearts work overtime!
@corgeousgeorge 3 ай бұрын
@@catherinesullivan641 bless their hearts. No, literally... I hope their hearts get blessed bc they're gonna need it! 😬
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
It's normal when you're being forced to train through injury, malnutrition, dehydration. These factors must be considered. Emphasis on training through injury. The body cannot handle such trauma to train through broken bones and it's well-known that Eteri forces them to train or leave when injured😊
@serendipity551 3 ай бұрын
Best new ice dance country: Georgia Most lost cause: Roman Sadovsky Best climb down: Spanish federation Best award show: THIS!!! ❤
@stellaoliviasarah 3 ай бұрын
Thanks to Emily! Hope she stays well! Please take care!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Why do you write this as though she will be pushed out of a window? wtf
@tarakwannabe675 3 ай бұрын
Isabeau Levito's hideous original "White Crow" costume exuded "Old Crow" Miss Havisham.
@o4ka47 3 ай бұрын
3 doctors, but apparently no access to an X-ray considering all the injuries. Maybe the doctors don't know that pain could be a symptom of a fractured bone?
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Maybe they don't care about broken bones because the starvation, training and drugs lead to them?
@ckilbarger01 3 ай бұрын
AMBER GLEN WITH RAF! That is the pair up that I didn't know needed to happen but now I went to happen more than anything else. He has such a good program for propagating huge personalities and getting them their medals. She needs to go there
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
It would be great politics and publicity
@Kat-M772 3 ай бұрын
Best Holiday? “Festivus for the rest of us”
@reneecarlson1784 3 ай бұрын
Jonathan, thank you for being the Martin to Dave's Lewis!! :) :) 😉
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️
@Moretowers 3 ай бұрын
The awards did not mean much, but I enjoyed the Art on Ice show that was shown concurrently. It was interesting to contrast the full stands in Switzerland vs the news of the cancellation of the Stars on Ice in the US.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Terrible timing!
@StellarReview2010 3 ай бұрын
In my interpretation of the rules, the points should have been awarded irrespective of whether the event was a team or an individual event. Figure skating's team event differs significantly from other sports. The marks (TES/PCS) are insignificant, and the skaters' rank among other competitors is the most important factor. Therefore, in the event of a disqualification, the affected skater's rank is removed, and the other skaters move up by one rank. To say I am disappointed with the ISU's statement is an understatement.
@KingJasonSlots 3 ай бұрын
Really fun show! I feel like I’m part of the 92 Olympics besties haha
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@garyschnake3125 3 ай бұрын
Worst hairdo award, Johnny Weir
@msbhomein 3 ай бұрын
Nah, he'd get that so often that he'd have to be moved up to "lifetime achievement" award
@krobill2 3 ай бұрын
1:11:10 : Alex interview - when will this be released? I’m extremely intrigued and can’t wait to hear.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
It is a Patreon exclusive
@jlgood89 3 ай бұрын
My choreography of the year is Alissa Czisny's Chasing Cars!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@becky43210 3 ай бұрын
I agree with what Jonathon was saying about there not being people to tune it for, there used to be something for everyone, to captivate and how would younger you have found the sport - its probably through social media rather than traditional media which means I hate to say it but chances are its Russian skaters people will see - those had have fans accounts, idk how or why but that young Russian ice dance team went viral on TikTok and were everywhere, pre and post them splitting. At one point if you looked up ice dance on there, it was either all them or all tessa and scott. You just need that one person or performance to stick with you to draw you in - whether skating, gymnastics or whatever - everyone remembers what made them go from ~oh, cool ill watch this, to activately following the sport and seeking it out.
@becky43210 3 ай бұрын
I also kinda think - beyond the doping etc etc - one thing that can capture attention that feels like it's missing is a big rivalry.
@jessicamay952 3 ай бұрын
I don't understand how the ISU can change the placements but not the points, since it is ultimately the points, (based on placements) that decide the final team ranking in the team competition.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
They can clearly just do whatever they want.
@jessicamay952 3 ай бұрын
Clown show!🤪
@mayamae55 3 ай бұрын
I love your content so much, could you consider using a different app for streaming? Johnathan’s voice gets cut off every time Dave talks over him (which talking over itself is totally fine, it’s a normal thing in daily conversations) and I have to stop and rewind to guess what his unfinished sentence was.
@specialj67 3 ай бұрын
I think that is an inherent limitation of pretty much any video conferencing app widely available rn.
@zozaazz8044 3 ай бұрын
Best chest exposure: Denisss ❤
@Patrick-vj1qu 3 ай бұрын
Deanna is the only skater keeping me really interested this season tbh.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
💯
@rebekahquinley8093 3 ай бұрын
My first memory was 92 Olympics and the Blue Danube. Years later I realized that it was Kristi’s program.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Join the club of Kristi fans!
@zozaazz8044 3 ай бұрын
I think i finally have figure skating fatigue and apathy and just feeling of despair. Because like TSL says - nothing will change, nobody will stand up tu ruzzia, there is no light at the end of the tunnel. Just like with the war that ruzzia started. What a coincidence that both these things come from the same one rotten country in this world. 😢
@miriam3848 3 ай бұрын
I wanna kniw wgat the 3 doctors' specialties are!
@JackAShepherd 3 ай бұрын
I have a theory that the team doctors are using radiofrequency ablation (which's done in Pain Management -- a subspecialty of Anesthesiology) to disable the pain/sensory nerves in injured areas, so that the girls can continue training on them through the Olympic cycle... So by the end of their careers, at Age 17, their joints are damaged beyond repair
@ArohaStill 3 ай бұрын
@@JackAShepherd I don't know, there is a lot of nerve damage that comes with that and losing a lot of your sensation would be hard to train on in general. it might get you through a competition but you might not make it through a season because of the discomfort and numbness.
@JackAShepherd 3 ай бұрын
@@ArohaStill You think so? I've had RFA and I haven't experienced much numbness... Then again I'm, ya know, not an elite athlete, so perhaps I AM experiencing numbness and simply not noticing 'cause I'm rarely training the quad-Lutz
@mariazumhagen1755 3 ай бұрын
Dave has LOST it in the best way. The past week put him over the edge and all traces of filter are gone. Love it and agree about everything.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️
@trudimarrapodi6722 3 ай бұрын
Remember how every time Team T would post a video of some 13-year-old doing a triple axel-quad-quad-quad-triple combo like it was nothing, the only reaction from the fans used to be "WOW! They have some AMAZING talent and INCREDIBLE coaching in Russia!" I would comment "Yeah, sure, I am so sure no doping is involved." People thought I was very cynical...
@anettep6678 3 ай бұрын
The award for "Getting fans to defend your creepy vibes" should go to Lambiel.
@skaterboy-cz9wj 3 ай бұрын
Dave and Jonathon what in the world. Why aren't you guys in appropriate evening wear. Really black t and sweater come on. Guys you can do better. A tux with no shirt. A velvet suit. A smoking jacket come on guys. This is the TSL awards. Show the dignity it deserves.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Maybe next year!
@sleuththewild 3 ай бұрын
Oh, and there's gotta be a red carpet. How about a mashup of those cocktail outfits skaters used to have to wear at galas?
@susanelliott8577 3 ай бұрын
Dave have you ever thought Gracie Gold looks like she could be KJ Kindlers daughter? I have watched OU meets and thought, Gracie should be there next coach!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
I think Gracie would be great on VT, UB and FX. I don't know if KJ would admit to being her mother unless she were capable of winning beam.
@scottyminnefabulous 3 ай бұрын
Bring back the Young and the Restless intro!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
I need inspiring and fun skaters to be in the intro. This season, we have Deanna and Ilia. I usually put about six skaters in the intro. That's two. And that likely encapsulates the problem skating has right now. Isabeau and Amber are not quite interesting enough for the type of personality I would put in the intro.
@swurvestar1 3 ай бұрын
Who is Dan Webster on FB? I'm so confused ...
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Would love to know!
@tcduong1138 3 ай бұрын
Second Coming of La Cote Basque 65, The TSL Awards
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
I’m choosing to take this as a glorious compliment.
@ddjr6673 3 ай бұрын
Thanks again. This was a v amusing TSL - for me, you get the balance between serious and absurd right - also was wondering how much caffeine was in David’s cup?! And on a serious note- Gracie’s book is phenomenal - very raw - some caution given some of the subject matter but gripping - huge love and respect to her.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Not much. Just over the BS.
@barrystealey7541 3 ай бұрын
I’m sending Michelle Kwan to Worlds.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
❤️❤️
@niharikad8617 3 ай бұрын
Your comments about stars on ice USA are interesting. I went to SOI in Montreal last year and the arena was quite full with a lot of families but most people were cheering for older favourites like Elvis Stojko. But comparing that to this year's Canadian Nationals feels very weird. Seems like there's no fans for current or upcoming skaters. Hopefully worlds will have a good crowd :/
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
They hired Kurt and Elvis to sell tickets. They were the draws because Tessa and Scott retired.
@niharikad8617 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson that makes sense because there's no support for current skaters evident from nationals
@topicdel 3 ай бұрын
I actually think Polina is stronger overall than any of the US ladies (except Amber, as you can't discount her technical). I would send her to worlds. Seriously! She should come back..
@ZechariahSegovia 3 ай бұрын
I miss Polina’s twizzles!!!
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
💯
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
Way way stronger. I have extreme Russian bias because I just love their artistry and strong ballet training, however, I agree Polina far exceeds, in my opinion, any current notable US ladies. Isabeau has nice artistry but it could be improved tremendously. Her jumps obviously need tons of work. Amber Glenn is a strong athlete, however she's not a beautiful figure skater
@topicdel 3 ай бұрын
@@primalcritters Polina also has great jump technique!
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
@@topicdelyes. I think Polina is a far more beautiful skater than Amber Glen ever will be. She actually took the time to learn from Russian coaches and Russian ballet training. Amber Glen on the other hand is a strong athlete but not a beautiful skater at all
@emilymcmahon2670 3 ай бұрын
Madi Chock and Lilah Fear for Least Time Spent Skating
@shewhocreatesherself 3 ай бұрын
What makes you say that?
@kasiaczemplik163 3 ай бұрын
@@shewhocreatesherself I think the amount of lifts and the total time spent in the air maybe? 😂😊😉
@hellsbellsmichelle 3 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the episode this evening. I've had a cracking evening, went to see the Ukrainian National Opera performing Madama Butterfly at my local theatre (Wiltshire UK), followed by a rousing rendition of the Ukranian national anthem. My awards: Best Social Media kickdown - Anna Sherbakova dropping Eteri Best Social Media account - Polina Best "should have won if it hadn't been for the drugged / cheating Russians" - Yuna 2014 OWG & Ashley 2016 Boston Best "why the f*ck did this person get banned" - Carolina Costner Best "I feel the music in me" - Jason Best coach/choreographer in-training - Carolina Best TSL comment ever - Carol Lane "I don't run Costco" Best Dressed Kiss & Cry - Roman Hagenhauer / Tessa Virtue / Madison Hubbell Worst WTF costume - one of the Italian teams at 2018 OWG woman who had an atomic wedgie that looked so painful. Can't remember who
@renunit1503 3 ай бұрын
Rod Black is a Canadian fs national treasure
@JoshuaFazeli 3 ай бұрын
Scott Hamilton has been a huge supporter of Donald Trump because he mentions in an interview that Donald Trump funded the skating rink for Central Park? I remember watching this in like 2017 or 2018.
@etherealtb6021 3 ай бұрын
Gotta love a "filtered" Dave! 😁 Why we love TSL! ❤️
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
@matthewhines9787 3 ай бұрын
i hope he is ok.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Whom are you referring to?
@mpdnd1335 3 ай бұрын
Skating is in a sad state. When you have so few venues to recoup your costs after spending so much time, stress and money and having little public interest (such as Stars on Ice), the only reason that you skate is for yourself, but limit the costs. The tickets for Stars on Ice are not cheap at $50 a pop. That may also be why people aren't coming.
@evanperilstein5308 3 ай бұрын
Best knees: Yuma Kagiyama
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Not really the spirit of these awards, but he does have great knees.
@thesovgc 3 ай бұрын
I thought Russia didn't want the bronze though, and they were appealing to get the gold? So confusing if a deal had been made. Gracie's book is addictive. I oddly found myself on both her and Tara's side during the 16 SA incident. They both made some good points.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Haven't you figured out by now that you can't trust what they say...
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Your channel is literally about celebrating their glorious doped-up gymnasts.
@thesovgc 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLessonMaya had me convinced they just wanted to make amends 😭
@thesovgc 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLessonthey don't have the Shvetsky Formula that's for sure. Afanasyeva NOT having stamina to finish her London routine is legendary
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Girl, you are in the dark. I loved when the gymnast did all-around a week after she was relearning kips. Or when the guy competed three months after a torn achilles. Or any time they had to make a certain Olympic champion lose weight in a hurry during her multiple comebacks. Or when they all go to the German doctor. Get a clue.
@ckilbarger01 3 ай бұрын
Watching any ladies event right now is like watching a whole parade of Maddie Ziegler's pretty lyrical routines from before Abby started giving her dark moody pieces sometimes. It's nice but...
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
It's worse than that. Maddie had facial expressions for days. It would be like watching Kendall attempt to do those routines.
@ckilbarger01 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson OMG yes! Maddie emotes. Most of the ladies field.......
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
It is sad, but true!@@ckilbarger01
@Kat240 3 ай бұрын
She Etsy is the like dr ferrari of cycling and the lance amstrong era
@julesc3089 3 ай бұрын
I used to love figure skating, but they keep letting the Russians ruin it. They might as well just get rid of the sport. Nothing is going to change! smh
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
I think it stems from the rules, which have really gotten progressively worse with every decade.
@My-hat 3 ай бұрын
There’s the World Team Trophy competition? I’ve never actually seen but know it was /is a thing. So, if there was a disqualification during that, what were the rules? How did that compare Olympic team event? 😊
@kamelenka 3 ай бұрын
what was with a bracelet? what bracelet??
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
The USFS had an embarrassing fundraiser where they essentially sold crafts made by the skaters prior to Nationals. Clare Seo made beaded bracelets. She was one of many skaters who did this. These art projects are obviously not going to make enough money to make a dent in USFS finances when they are six figures in debt.
@kamelenka 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson 😅 pathetic
@NG-ue4th 3 ай бұрын
Wait what?! I didn't know Navka and Kostamarov were married...wasn't she with Zhulin at the time?
@Jeremy-wp4yh 3 ай бұрын
I don't know what's worse, the strip show or the bad camera angles.
@ringdoorbell3223 3 ай бұрын
SHARON, Agree with you completely. It seemed that the so called entertainment over shadowed the skating
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
Hahahah
@dkeinow 3 ай бұрын
44:40 oh my god, Dave just summed up why America is f*ckd
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
😆😆
@zozaazz8044 3 ай бұрын
Honest question - why the coctails dont seem to help ruzzian men?
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Do they spend the money on ppl who are not proving results? It is a tiered system.
@Rachel-rs7jn 3 ай бұрын
Because men's jumps get stronger as they hit puberty and grow up, so the most competitive men are adults and there are plenty of them. The MO with the girls is to get them to do jumps that grown-up women have a harder time with due to body shape, in that small window before puberty. So there's less competition overall: once they hit a certain age they're done so the best don't accumulate at the top.
@Kat240 3 ай бұрын
Why? What am I missing?
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
No idea what you are referencing.
@ILoveChoc0late 3 ай бұрын
why do you guys hate Hanyu so much? 😂 I’ve never heard Dave say 1 at least neutral thing about him
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Then you haven't watched the videos where I judged his skating and should take a seat.
@ILoveChoc0late 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson that may also be true. I only started to watch your videos more religiously after summer 2023. I just thought you didn’t liked his character not necessarily his staking ability 🤓
@flywings111 3 ай бұрын
He never liked Yuzu's skating and most of his comments were always negative, I can barely remember when he said anything positive. For instance, about the greatest free skate ever by any male skaters, Hope and Legacy from Worlds 2017 he simply said it was elevator music and didn't say anything nice. I have no clue why he criticises him as a person, he is basically the most unproblematic skaters out there who only has good things to say about anyone around him. Lease praises problematic skaters much more (for example Malinin). @@ILoveChoc0late
@PangdaPangda-fo9ic 3 ай бұрын
It's okay. Japanese fans have been told everything TSL has said about Hanyu using harsh words. For us Japanese fans, TSL hasn't existed for a long time. So it's OK
@PangdaPangda-fo9ic 3 ай бұрын
Moreover, Hanyu has already retired from competition. We have nothing to do with America, mostly the Hanyu haters.
@juanantoniomoreno3409 3 ай бұрын
Really, what happened? I follow FS Gossips and you but got blocked off your FB during the John Coughlin era.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Are you making a penance?
@juanantoniomoreno3409 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson you are funny. I think so, yeah. It has been six years, already. I even suscribed to your Patreon for some time.
@edwardvancampen3096 3 ай бұрын
I think they were back door dealings going on
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Obviously
@curseknight5 3 ай бұрын
Best Commentator Award??? Not Petra and whoever she was with
@emilymclane5965 3 ай бұрын
I also think President Trump would love figure skating…I would also be interested to hear President Biden’s commentary…
@Iwatchstuff1000 2 ай бұрын
I'm ok with Cizerons only fans, I mean instagram
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
If Dave thinks Russian figure skaters are skeletal thin, then what does he think of Russian ballerinas? They are Skinny, but slavic women are very thin, and so are young Asian girls. Personally I think they look beautiful when they are lithe and toned. Look at Kosternia now. She's even thinner than as a teen now that puberty is over
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
Read the room. I specifically didn't mention anyone in particular.
@user-lr5zn3gy4u 3 ай бұрын
Pardon me for being Dobby-elf, but Kosternia is jewish (as well as Sherbakova). The blood effect in figure skating is not completely clear and still waiting for its Joseph Mengele.
@primalcritters 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Are you sure Anna is jewish?
@3_times_mum520 3 ай бұрын
Maybe people that loves the sport... Should start being realistic and Start talking more about the skaters that actually are amazing at there groundwork... At not The once, that does something "extraordinary" I remember how the Skating commentator at OL.. only was talking about the" top" skates doing new jumps and Eteris "girls" doing amazing new stuff..
@ArohaStill 3 ай бұрын
The U.S. had the I'm the Biggest Loser show, which was probably as bad as the Russian show with food all over the place, very questionable weight loss means, a lot of low-calorie diets that were essentially starvation and destroyed peoples metabolisms, they used to do the dehydration before weighing people and they made 300lbs people do insane amounts of exercise that was very dangerous. The US is not that different.
@TheSkatingLesson 3 ай бұрын
It is not the what. It is the HOW the Russian show does it with the exploitative camera angles and tasks.
@ArohaStill 3 ай бұрын
@@TheSkatingLessondo you remember the US one? I watched the Aussie one based off the US one and it was bad. I remember glimpses of the US one...making them vomit, cry, collapse...I will have to watch the Russian one but I would call the US and Aussie versions sadistic.
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