This call was actually disgraceful

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12 күн бұрын

Game 3 Boston Bruins vs the Florida Panthers in the NHL playoffs second round just happened, and included a very controversial goal call. I'll break it down on today's video!

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@EckHockey
@EckHockey 10 күн бұрын
The question is, if you think about the rule holistically... Did the contact have no discernable effect on the play whatsoever?
@mathias2410
@mathias2410 10 күн бұрын
Refs have different rules for season and playoffs. This should be impossible so going by this, rules can be interpreted differently day by day.
@bamnet2k
@bamnet2k 10 күн бұрын
Thats Bennett's take too: "[I'm] putting that puck in before Swayman's going to be able to get over whether Coyle is on him or not, so I think that's the reason why it stood. And that's how I saw it, as well."
@zachhaist6426
@zachhaist6426 10 күн бұрын
Even if Swayman can't make a play, which I think he could have, Coyle couldn't clear the puck because of the push, it happened before the puck was there. There was no way Swayman could move freely with Bennets action....
@odin4261
@odin4261 10 күн бұрын
It had no effect. Are we playing chess or checkers? Bennet barely touches him and Coyle looses his balance...
@odin4261
@odin4261 10 күн бұрын
@zachhaist6426 except he wasn't pushed. He was barely touched and Coyle flopped backwards. Give me a break
@Porsche_911_Experience
@Porsche_911_Experience 10 күн бұрын
Toronto screwed over Boston. Not the Leafs but the review center
@koshka02
@koshka02 10 күн бұрын
Hehehe, Toronto's revenge!
@brandontong759
@brandontong759 10 күн бұрын
Toronto taking revenge
@RBdestroyer3321
@RBdestroyer3321 10 күн бұрын
They should take the review center out of NA
@DarkPassenger
@DarkPassenger 10 күн бұрын
Regardless the Bruins have no shot. "As a Bruins fan" they don't have enough talent or depth. They've been outplayed in both series and only saved by Swayman's amazing play.
@PokemSockemHockey
@PokemSockemHockey 10 күн бұрын
@@DarkPassenger finally a Bruin fan that makes sense! 👏👏
@americanadreaming
@americanadreaming 10 күн бұрын
As a fan of neither team, I do like well regulated sport. This is a perfect example of the alternative.
@jayc6170
@jayc6170 10 күн бұрын
Exactly. Sadly, the NHL has been like this for soooooooo long it’s hard to imagine it could be worse. Yet here we are.
@TaMightyM00se
@TaMightyM00se 10 күн бұрын
Should peak game 2 and 3 now of the Oilers/Canucks series.
@ipwnreviewer
@ipwnreviewer 10 күн бұрын
@@TaMightyM00se was here to say the same about that series
@koldonn1111
@koldonn1111 10 күн бұрын
I mean they got the call right, so nothing to complain about other than salty Bruins fans.
@ThiefOfOranges
@ThiefOfOranges 10 күн бұрын
​@@koldonn1111I hate all Boston sports teams and they definitely got the call wrong.
@dylanroy9504
@dylanroy9504 10 күн бұрын
gotta be one of the worst officiated series ive ever seen
@neeltheother2342
@neeltheother2342 10 күн бұрын
with every new series, someone will say it was the worst officiating ever. complaining is nothing new and does nothing.
@pajamatime5750
@pajamatime5750 10 күн бұрын
@@neeltheother2342Very insightful!!
@CowboyUp1371
@CowboyUp1371 10 күн бұрын
​@@neeltheother2342you are right bro let's just allow officials to go against rules. That does a sport justice. Moron.
@SupplementalSense
@SupplementalSense 10 күн бұрын
If that were actually true, it wouldn't matter anyway. Florida has dominated the last 3 games. Boston is so undisciplined and emotional that they are taking stupid penalties all over the place.
@jesusrivera2970
@jesusrivera2970 10 күн бұрын
I’m still not hearing Bruins excuses for Floridas 41 shots to Bostons 18; I’m still waiting 💀
@yanpro8844
@yanpro8844 10 күн бұрын
Referees are so bad this year, it's amazing.
@user-cr1mj2cq3h
@user-cr1mj2cq3h 10 күн бұрын
on purpose is different than bad!!!
@SolidRizo
@SolidRizo 10 күн бұрын
someone needs to bring this up. these dogwater refs will continue to keep cashing cheques somewhere between 225K-400k a year... that's absurd for skating around and completely trashing some games
@TPoD274
@TPoD274 10 күн бұрын
The defenseman came into the blue zone himself and was barely touched
@mikejoerger3333
@mikejoerger3333 10 күн бұрын
I wish people would actually learn the rules.Quit saying the referees made bad calls.This was the nhl that made this call in toronto not the officials on the ice.
@Southboundpachyderm
@Southboundpachyderm 10 күн бұрын
@@SolidRizoit’s systemic. It’s not a ref problem. It’s an NHL problem that tells the refs to be this way. They’re just doing the job they get paid to do and if you’re mad about leeches sucking up money they haven’t earned, you should be mad at NHL owners who think they somehow deserve nearly half the entire league revenue for doing nothing but being wealthy enough to buy the team in the first place. I have no respect for people who think passive income is something they’re entitled to. You shouldn’t either. That’s the real reason shit is the way it is.
@Skanzool
@Skanzool 10 күн бұрын
This isn't the referees' fault, this is the fault of the NHL review officials. They completely blew it and it doesn't matter how the NHL spins it, it's a very bad call.
@kevinrichardi1005
@kevinrichardi1005 10 күн бұрын
no, the review center said they let the two refs decide... then they agreed it was a good goal... so, it IS the refs fault
@charliegordon-qh2ll
@charliegordon-qh2ll 10 күн бұрын
So if the refs on the ice see it differently, as in the correct way, they cannot make the correct call?
@brendanwaters1448
@brendanwaters1448 10 күн бұрын
@@charliegordon-qh2ll Not when it literally wasn't, the NHL rulebook says no matter the contact whether a light shove or not this should not be a good goal
@WhiteNoise493
@WhiteNoise493 10 күн бұрын
Not only were the refs given final say on this one by Toronto, but they also didn't call the blatant crosscheck. This should have been a two minute minor and a disallowed goal. This coming on the heels of the goaltender interference call against Boston two games ago which was very clearly not because it was caused by Florida and the host of "missed" calls like Bennett clearly punching Marchand, and there's no way you can claim the league isn't pushing Florida through. Better team or not, the officiating of this series is a stain on the Panthers and the league.
@kevinrichardi1005
@kevinrichardi1005 10 күн бұрын
@@WhiteNoise493 i dont even care for the minor penalty. Wouldve been a little weak imo and im a bruins fan. Just definitely shouldnt have been a goal. Wild call
@timdowney6721
@timdowney6721 10 күн бұрын
The NHL in general act as though they have a half-idea of the rules, or a completely wrong one.
@TheBillaro
@TheBillaro 10 күн бұрын
gambling
@chrisberry2414
@chrisberry2414 10 күн бұрын
Did you consider that Bennett wasn't in the crease & Coyle was already in the crease. If Bennett doesn't push him, Coyle STILL BLOCKS the goalie & Bennett scores.
@Stagliaf
@Stagliaf 10 күн бұрын
@@chrisberry2414 but bennett does push him
@Stacey_-bf2mb
@Stacey_-bf2mb 10 күн бұрын
It’s the playoffs, whistles get put away
@donaldmcronald3543
@donaldmcronald3543 10 күн бұрын
​@@Stacey_-bf2mbi think thats part of the problem. There are certain calls like puck over glass that have to be called everytime. But yet punching a guy in the face knocking him out is somehow missed. And not even adressed after the game with all the camera views available. One play a team gets an unfair stoppage and is penalized and the other leaves a guy, arguably their best player, concussed out for at least a game and not even a minor penalty.
@jmac0608
@jmac0608 10 күн бұрын
sports betting ruined everything
@michaelprentice2439
@michaelprentice2439 10 күн бұрын
How more ppl picked florida to win by puck drop if boston won alot of ppl would of lost
@thomasmackey7561
@thomasmackey7561 10 күн бұрын
@@michaelprentice2439 but the pay out if boston won would have been higher because they have worse odds. Vegas sets the odds so if the favored team wins they will make money
@arkine11
@arkine11 10 күн бұрын
In many many ways. The amount of abuse players get in all sports now if they mess up is ridiculous.
@iansteelmatheson
@iansteelmatheson 9 күн бұрын
yeah, but it's not relevant here
@HeathNation2465
@HeathNation2465 9 күн бұрын
Make Sports Betting Illegal Again
@humanbeing2420
@humanbeing2420 10 күн бұрын
The NHL's explanation states that the contact "did not prevent Swayman from *playing his position in the crease* prior to" the goal. This is problematic because Rule 69.1 never uses that language. Per the 3rd paragraph of the rule ( 0:57), the officials should ensure the goalie had "the *ability to move freely within his goal crease* without being hindered"; where contact "impairs the goalkeeper's ability to defend his goal" any goal should be disallowed. Can any reasonable person say that Swayman had the ability to move freely and that his ability to defend the goal was not impaired? Whether or not Swayman would have made the save absent the contact is irrelevant. The rule doesn't empower the officials to make that judgment.
@larrycopeland2413
@larrycopeland2413 10 күн бұрын
Not a Bruins fan (or a Panthers' fan), in fact I want them to lose. However, they got seriously hosed on this call. The rule seems to be clear on how to adjudicate this play, and the League, for whatever reason, didn't call it that way.
@mopslap
@mopslap 10 күн бұрын
@@larrycopeland2413 Because Vegas would've been mad they lost money had the Bruins won. That's why. Legal sports betting is ruining not just the NHL, but all professional sports. At this point there's no reason to watch games anymore. Just look at the odds and you'll find out who's winning.
@leafsfanforever2896
@leafsfanforever2896 9 күн бұрын
Rule 69.7 states an exception
@PastaTime88
@PastaTime88 10 күн бұрын
The worst part is it doesn’t even matter anymore, even if the league came out and said they messed up, the game is over, the officials explicitly changed the course of the game. Even if we expect a fairer officiated game in game 5, the bruins can’t expect that for the 3 games in a row they’d now have to win
@hectic105
@hectic105 10 күн бұрын
Yah, because Boston was WELL on their way to shooting more than 2 shots in the period… If that was a crosscheck, it would have been the weakest one called ever. Was poor footing and a tiny bump, mixed with a touch of bad luck. Boston could have just let the game be tied and not challenge and risk another penalty, but then they may have had to have had confidence that they would….you know…shoot the puck and maybe get another goal?
@PastaTime88
@PastaTime88 10 күн бұрын
I am not denying that we are getting out played, and I won’t deny it. Our team rarely challenges any goals, we have a damn good video team and they wouldn’t have challenged it if they were damn sure there was something there. If you can’t see how a goal that shouldn’t have counted late in the game being allowed, causing yet another penalty kill for our team after we had just killed one off of a weak interference call isn’t a momentum swinger then I can’t help you.
@spencahireland
@spencahireland 10 күн бұрын
@@hectic105or the officials could make the right call and disallow the goal, then the Bruins would still be up 2-1 you fucking bozo
@mr.ilikespam6081
@mr.ilikespam6081 10 күн бұрын
toronto almost did
@McSorleyFan33
@McSorleyFan33 10 күн бұрын
@@hectic105damn right it was the lightest cross check ever which they let those ones go in playoffs and coyle lost footing and possibly took a dive It was a tying goal with lots of time left. If Boston was any good they would have rebounded and got a goal back but they didn’t they crumbled
@connorbegley8464
@connorbegley8464 10 күн бұрын
As a bruins fan I just can’t decide what to be more mad at this series. The bruins poor play and bad effort or the refs absolutely screwing us over at every turn. In either case it’s been a depressing series so far.
@robertsalfelder8111
@robertsalfelder8111 10 күн бұрын
It's poor play yall were up 2-0 couldn't make one more score and that's including a 6 on 4 in the last 30 seconds
@brendenrodgers7821
@brendenrodgers7821 10 күн бұрын
@@robertsalfelder8111shouldn’t have to score more goals than 2 to win a hockey game. Can’t deny the panthers having a power play for essentially a 1/3rd of a hockey game is a gift from the nhl. Panthers were nothing in this game until the refs decided to intervene
@mr.ilikespam6081
@mr.ilikespam6081 8 күн бұрын
​@@brendenrodgers7821and this is why you shouldnt play sports because if that is your mind set then you will never win anything
@joshdoldersum9132
@joshdoldersum9132 10 күн бұрын
Canucks fan here. This is the worst call I've seen in the playoffs.
@Sully82295
@Sully82295 10 күн бұрын
Do y’all understand just how bad officiating has to be for everyone to be agreeing that BOSTON got screwed. Wild times we live in
@robertsalfelder8111
@robertsalfelder8111 10 күн бұрын
No they didn't they had every chance to tie it. At end of game it was 6 on 4 and they still couldn't score
@Sully82295
@Sully82295 10 күн бұрын
@@robertsalfelder8111 they had every chance to tie a game that they were winning 2-1, that this non call turned into a 2-2 game with a Florida power play because of the failed challenge. But okay champ
@kryptic3193
@kryptic3193 10 күн бұрын
For me it’s not just the goal, but the whole game shifted after this call. The energy was all given to the panthers and Boston was screwed over. This isn’t even subjective, you can clearly see how this impacted the entire game after. Toronto needs to be better.
@brendenrodgers7821
@brendenrodgers7821 10 күн бұрын
It’s gotta be deflating knowing the opposing team can do anything; like taking out your captain with a sucker punch, scoring goals on soft power plays, scoring goals that shouldn’t even count due to GI. You just gotta be so done mentally knowing one team can do literally anything they want, meanwhile you breathe the wrong way and it costs you. I wouldn’t be shocked if the bruins just don’t even bother dressing for game 5
@joedoggie9098
@joedoggie9098 8 күн бұрын
Bettman is on the other end, not Toronto
@awake780
@awake780 10 күн бұрын
Officiating in round 2 has been shamefully bad all around the league.
@Wagbag0
@Wagbag0 10 күн бұрын
NHL playoffs brought to you by Draft Kings Sportsbook
@Drainbamege
@Drainbamege 10 күн бұрын
Wasn’t just round 2, but it’s been bad
@starmangriff
@starmangriff 10 күн бұрын
same for canes vs rangers, there have been multiple questionable calls that ended up giving the canes the man advantage (such as the puck deflection by trocheck)
@nuudelz3711
@nuudelz3711 10 күн бұрын
It’s not just hockey, the premier league has been the worst in history this year too. All this technology they’ve added fails to calculate for the monkeys in control of the system.
@LawrenceBlade
@LawrenceBlade 10 күн бұрын
it been the whole playoffs
@ghostboy1137
@ghostboy1137 10 күн бұрын
As a leafs fan, I cannot stand the bruins, however, I do want fair calls in a game regardless of who's playing. This is a missed call that dictated a game, I think refs need to address the media post game, so we can understand their logic. They have a difficult job but it would be nice to understand why certain calls are made. I've been playing/watching hockey for 22 years and still don't understand calls that are made as there is no consistency. The league needs to be more transparent with decisions like this, it's unhealthy for long-term success.
@devonforsure260
@devonforsure260 10 күн бұрын
Fr. Im a bruins fan but i like to listen to the fans in Toronto vent on fan first network. Super underated
@LawrenceBlade
@LawrenceBlade 10 күн бұрын
I have not watched a full hockey season since like 2018 (watched 2019 finals bruins fan) but last seasons team got me back into hockey this year and the NHL might make me go back to not watching due to this playoffs. round 1 was poorly called but I felt like it affected both sides but you could argue the it was straight down the middle or slightly in favor of Boston but I would say it was poorly officiated but fair round 1 round 2 is poorly officiated but blatantly for 1 side but the fact that 2-2 series I have watched have had blatant missed calls that matter deflates me as a sports fan whether they are for or agents my team
@robertgallant2653
@robertgallant2653 9 күн бұрын
I’m a bruins fan you can’t stand the bruins because you lose to them always. I have no issues with the leafs. I’m a hockey fan and a good hockey game is a a good hockey game. And bruins leafs are always great games. I said before the series started that it was gonna go 7 games because it’s leafs bruins and it couldn’t go any other way.
@joedoggie9098
@joedoggie9098 8 күн бұрын
@@LawrenceBlade boston had 4 power plays the last 3 GAMES total in the leaf series , they certainly were not favored.
@theclamhammer4447
@theclamhammer4447 10 күн бұрын
I’ve held off blaming refs bc, honestly, it’s been easy low hanging fruit but after the interference called on Boston in game 3 AND then the tonight’s no call… it’s hard to overlook at this point.
@LilJ1k
@LilJ1k 10 күн бұрын
Bro as a cats fan your gonna have to overlook it to win this series idk how some of y’all are hockey fans, i get infuriated about bad calls to but if your teams a real champion squad they should be able to battle any adversity thrown at them including the refs.
@talcat8031
@talcat8031 10 күн бұрын
Yeah I’m not a true fan of either team however I am cheering for Florida but that was one hell of a ref job if I have ever seen one before.
@theclamhammer4447
@theclamhammer4447 10 күн бұрын
@@LilJ1k I’m not a Bruins fan. Just a fan of the game really but mmmk. For a professional league the officiating has been sloppy as hell.
@talcat8031
@talcat8031 10 күн бұрын
@@LilJ1kthis is the most lazy excuse for bad reffing, it’s not just you everyone says this but it’s simply not true. In a league we’re teams are so close you can’t be expected to be the other team and the refs. Typically if the refs are going to perform poorly whoever they help will win.
@theclamhammer4447
@theclamhammer4447 10 күн бұрын
@@talcat8031 yep, I’ve been repeating this message a lot lately. Pro organized sports across the board will go to the moon in search of the slightest competitive advantage over an opponent and when they get screwed by bad officials people just say “you can’t really blame the refs just do better”. It’s a weird and lazy argument to casually toss around. Like, these dudes literally already do all they can to win and now you’re asking them to just accept the Busch league officials screw job and try to overcome your opponent too? That’s not how competition works. Sure mistakes happen but to try and justify it away like it’s no big deal is just wild to me.
@samsee_ca
@samsee_ca 10 күн бұрын
i wish more leagues let the broadcast listen in on what people are saying in the situation room. legitimately the best idea to come out of the XFL since the skycam
@GB-ez6ge
@GB-ez6ge 10 күн бұрын
Not just a push but a crosscheck
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 10 күн бұрын
Bennett's signature hockey play
@truecrimejungle
@truecrimejungle 10 күн бұрын
its crazy how there was so much talk about bennet and we didnt even have that view
@igorsyrov9963
@igorsyrov9963 10 күн бұрын
indeed
@Bostons_Freak_Flag
@Bostons_Freak_Flag 10 күн бұрын
It's funny (being sarcastic) . It's almost like the n.h.l is slowly becoming an entertainment league ... Oh wait , that's what it is "legally"
@PSpencer
@PSpencer 10 күн бұрын
Right? Biz was insisting up and down that bennett punched marchand with his right hand but they kept showing the angle from behind bennett, so i'm just thinking "wtf is biz on about". But they wait until the pre-game today to finally show the reverse angle that actually shows it. So weird
@casmatt99
@casmatt99 10 күн бұрын
The league has been in the bag for Florida for years now. First it was Tampa not the Panthers - Florida is a huge market the league desperately wants to grow in, so they treat them with kid gloves and this is yet another perfect example
@ecirelyk
@ecirelyk 10 күн бұрын
​@@casmatt99as if being able to functionally ignore the salary cap because of state tax laws wasn't already OP enough
@spottedwombat7103
@spottedwombat7103 10 күн бұрын
For a player who should’ve been suspended to score a game winning goal that should have been called off and to have nothing done about it is appalling
@wakemiamigreatagain
@wakemiamigreatagain 10 күн бұрын
Bennett scored the tying goal not the winning goal. Barkov scored the game winning goal.
@nateballou3321
@nateballou3321 10 күн бұрын
U got that right!!? Fucking Bennett should've been suspended and still should be suspended now that another angle has come out showing him clearly punching Marchand in the face!!?? Wtf!!!?? That goal 100% shouldn't have counted and Bennett should've been in box for crosschecking or interference!? Fucker shouldn't have even been in game cuz he should've been suspended!!?? If league wants to do right thing they'd suspend him now!!?? Theyve gotta suspend him now that more video is out and it clearly shows him deliberately punching Marchand in the face!!?? He'll probably end up getting no punishment for it tho even tho that punch very well could be part of reason Marchand is injured!!? If they don't do anything about it then that'll be just flat out bullshit!!!!?? There's clear video showing him punching and unsuspecting Marchand in the face while Marchy goes to try to make a hit!!?? Fucking cheap ass dirty play 100%!!!!! In my opinion Florida is the dirtiest team in the NHL!!?? They're constantly doing cheap shit and pretty much cheat their way thru games!? They're constantly holding and interfering with Bruins players but aren't getting called for it!? It's absolutely fucking ridiculous!!?
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 10 күн бұрын
Welcome to playing florida in the playoffs. It's just getting started!
@evelynroseblue
@evelynroseblue 10 күн бұрын
They get away with everything and any goal they score the challenges always fail but they challenge for the same thing and get the goal overturned
@viacheslaavkhruuton4789
@viacheslaavkhruuton4789 10 күн бұрын
No boo-hoo'ing when your team has the likes of Brad Marchand on your roster.
@non-influential
@non-influential 10 күн бұрын
I’m convinced at this point that the calls are being influenced by the league’s subservience to gambling advertising dollars.
@DigBickLick
@DigBickLick 7 күн бұрын
Which is a reasonable conclusion when the league blows such an obvious call. It totally undermines peoples perceptions about the game when you fuck a call this badly.
@buddyk1674
@buddyk1674 10 күн бұрын
god last night made me sick, this is following a game where they fish hooked lauko and pushed him into their goal and gave lauko the penalty. This is absolutely embarrassing for the sport.
@mayhem2906
@mayhem2906 10 күн бұрын
By no means am i a bruins fan and do have florida winning this series but how does this goal stand
@TPoD274
@TPoD274 10 күн бұрын
Because the defenseman went into the blue zone on his own accord and Swayman probably wouldn't have made the save even if Bennett hadn't slightly touched the dude
@MatsLM
@MatsLM 10 күн бұрын
Exactly. “If he hadn’t slightly touched the dude” is exactly what goaltender interference is.
@N1ckeroo
@N1ckeroo 10 күн бұрын
@@TPoD274he literally got cross checked into swayman?
@GJT-bq3hr
@GJT-bq3hr 10 күн бұрын
Draftkings
@xxTheTruMan196
@xxTheTruMan196 10 күн бұрын
⁠@@TPoD274 “probably” is an assumption. Refs should not be making assumptions. This is 100% a penalty, you just have to determine if it’s for cross checking of goalie interference
@TheTitanic16
@TheTitanic16 10 күн бұрын
Habs fan, i hate Boston, but that was not a good goal...
@jimbosmith6327
@jimbosmith6327 10 күн бұрын
Apparently it is
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
If Tampa had done that exact same thing against Bob in round 1, they couldn't have waived it off fast enough.
@robclarkson3697
@robclarkson3697 10 күн бұрын
No that was a great goal.. I laugh every time I watch it.Bruins spent the entire game trying to get under Bennetts skin and then this. Absolutely priceless.
@dillonbija9592
@dillonbija9592 10 күн бұрын
Yes it was lol
@1bossman266
@1bossman266 10 күн бұрын
@@robclarkson3697not a good goal. He pushed Boston into their own goalie preventing him from playing the puck
@horsefle
@horsefle 10 күн бұрын
This second round is a fever dream 😅
@TOCC50
@TOCC50 10 күн бұрын
Florida wins in OT
@barbarakiewe4917
@barbarakiewe4917 10 күн бұрын
Div #1 vs Div #2 in every division except one Div #1 vs Div #3. It's set up perfectly to draw the most out of rivalries.
@BondandBourne
@BondandBourne 10 күн бұрын
So much for keeping a closer eye on this series for officiating NHL. Gary Bettman continues to be a complete liar and continues to piss all over hockey.
@joedoggie9098
@joedoggie9098 8 күн бұрын
bang on.
@MatthewOSullivan
@MatthewOSullivan 10 күн бұрын
Good analysis. I don't like the Bruins but they got totally screwed.
@brendenrodgers7821
@brendenrodgers7821 10 күн бұрын
They’ve been getting screwed. But I think what’s even more eye opening is floridas been getting gifted, just take a look at some of the calls that went their way in the 1st round… the 2 goals that Tampa scored that got called off for GI in 1 game
@chrisdranfield3828
@chrisdranfield3828 10 күн бұрын
The situation room makes it up case by case. They contradict themselves game by game. The only consistent thing is that they aren’t consistent.
@matthewboik421
@matthewboik421 10 күн бұрын
I thought the officiating in the playoffs was out of control across the board BEFORE seeing the new angle and the goaltender interference non-call. After the games tonight, it’s reached gongshow territory.
@dhdoctors
@dhdoctors 10 күн бұрын
NHL officiating has hit a record low, they have literally destroyed the flow of playoff hockey. Even the linesmen for important faceoffs are all about me me me me!!
@JackCallSports
@JackCallSports 10 күн бұрын
These refs need to stop
@mildgooses4401
@mildgooses4401 10 күн бұрын
It literally wasn’t the refs that made the final call, it’s the entire situation room which is even more terrifying
@NoodlesCubed
@NoodlesCubed 10 күн бұрын
@@mildgooses4401 Draftkings situation room has found itself "Not Guilty"
@Dracox78000
@Dracox78000 10 күн бұрын
@@mildgooses4401100%
@Dracox78000
@Dracox78000 10 күн бұрын
@@mildgooses4401needs to be investigated
@jackson3190
@jackson3190 10 күн бұрын
​@mildgooses4401 actually it is the refs that make the final call. Toronto didn't have enough evidence to overturn, even with all the evidence that there was, and left the decision to the refs
@BGerbs66
@BGerbs66 10 күн бұрын
I might've missed a video, but did anyone cover how the Bruins' player in game 3 was interfered with and pushed into Bobrovsky and the refs called a goaltender interference penalty against Boston?
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
In the Tampa series, impeding Bob's view was interference.
@wesleywelch7421
@wesleywelch7421 10 күн бұрын
Remember how close the Lightning ones were in that game against Florida when 2 got called back and then this happens?!?! Wheres the consistency.
@N1ckeroo
@N1ckeroo 10 күн бұрын
They like florida
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
They took away Tampa's answer goal and series lifeline, then let this sham goal stand. Shameful.
@poleshark368
@poleshark368 10 күн бұрын
That's the crux of the whole officiating problems....the lack of consistency, which has been going on for years. And that from on-ice (refs) or off-ice (situation room).
@briancolley9568
@briancolley9568 10 күн бұрын
I mean doesn't Florida have someone who's dad works for the NHL back office? Who has also admitted to calling refs and saying he didn't like the calls against his kid? Idk he may not be on Florida anymore.
@cody7490
@cody7490 10 күн бұрын
It's nice to see, I'm not the only one thinking this. This is twice this series I've seen a Florida player shove a Bruin into Swayman and it be ruled a good goal, yet they call back not one but two goals on Tampa with the softest excuse of goal tender interference I've ever seen. Shameful.
@busorenkin55
@busorenkin55 10 күн бұрын
Toronto ruled the contact to Coyle was not affecting the play and they didn’t see it as a clear push. Crazy stuff
@xxTheTruMan196
@xxTheTruMan196 10 күн бұрын
Toronto officials probably salty the Leaf’s lost lol
@slickshewz
@slickshewz 10 күн бұрын
It's easy to see how they come to that conclusion. The push is extremely soft, and coyle doesn't even fall the direction he is pushed. Watch the overhead. He is pushed up and right (relative to the camera position), then slowly glides up and left until he bumps Swayman and leans over him.
@1bossman266
@1bossman266 10 күн бұрын
@@slickshewzhe just came to a stop. Look at the snow from his skate. He was also leaning forward. He got pushed from the lower back. The way he was positioned, it was very easy for him to fall. The shove was 100% enough to cause this.
@username7763
@username7763 10 күн бұрын
He already had momentum into his goalie and was not in the process of stopping or turning. It was a light push to help the collision out but it was happening either way. I'd still call interference on this, but it isn't as clear-cut as people are saying.
@grizz6582
@grizz6582 10 күн бұрын
If there is no push Coyles position is still blocking Swayman. Look where the puck is when Bennet shoots it. Hard to believe but I think this was the right call.
@BusyAir
@BusyAir 10 күн бұрын
Given the context of that exact moment in the game, it was a full on shafting by the officiating crew.
@snicklit
@snicklit 10 күн бұрын
The better team won, but anyone watching the bruins playoffs this year knows the officiating has been absolutely god awful all post season.
@sebastiencarrieres8825
@sebastiencarrieres8825 10 күн бұрын
*Anyone watching any playoffs
@jackson3190
@jackson3190 10 күн бұрын
​@sebastiencarrieres8825 yes, but it has been particularly bad against the Bruins for the past few years. Calls that are on the Bruins that about 50-60% of the time would not be called at all or just called on the other team. Example: Lauko in Game 3. That has never in the history of hockey been called on the offensive player. I usually see a 50-50 split between no penalty and a penalty on the defensive player.
@mr.ilikespam6081
@mr.ilikespam6081 10 күн бұрын
​@@jackson3190 every team says that just look at toronto fans , hell you had calls go your way in the toronto series. the refs are jsut bad with every team
@sebastiencarrieres8825
@sebastiencarrieres8825 10 күн бұрын
@@jackson3190 nah, all bad. But on top, for Boston, 'I'm extra not sad. It's called karma.
@jackson3190
@jackson3190 10 күн бұрын
@@mr.ilikespam6081 I know that. It's just been particularly bad this series against the Bruins.
@walkingcatastrophy5547
@walkingcatastrophy5547 10 күн бұрын
Boston certainly hasn't done themselves any favors (honestly, since game 5 of the Toronto series) but regardless of how a team is playing, to miss that call is inexcusable, especially in the playoffs. I can recall numerous GI disputes from earlier this season that were A LOT less blatant than that where the goal was dis-allowed. Allowing that goal to stand is actually shameful
@Jazz-Singher
@Jazz-Singher 10 күн бұрын
It’s insane how much of a villain Boston has been, because these calls against them have been incredibly egregious
@mooseeyyy
@mooseeyyy 10 күн бұрын
I’m a bruins fan so obviously I have a side and I would like to clearly state that Florida has been the better team… but I feel like we have been done hard by the refs so much in this series. I’m not just trying to say the refs are the reason we have been out played but when we are on a PK so much how can you generate momentum… i didn’t expect Boston to get past Florida as that team has a higher ceiling than this years bruins, but man it sucks when the refs have been this bad.
@lime7494
@lime7494 10 күн бұрын
Florida should be the better team, but it hasn't really felt like that. Sure, the shots show otherwise, but shots dont matter, IE, Carolina. Florida repeatedly needs to have something controversial happen with the calls. In this series alone, the penalties are 21 for Boston, and 11 for Florida, 12 of Boston's penalties came over the past 2 games. I bring this up because Florida had 346 more PIM than Boston in the regular season, and 2 minutes off the highest in the league (anaheim with 1108). You can't expect people to believe that Florida suddenly stopped taking that many penalties.
@buddyk1674
@buddyk1674 10 күн бұрын
Bruins have had a tough time getting traction, and when they do the refs make sure to take the rug out from that. Its obvious.
@mooseeyyy
@mooseeyyy 10 күн бұрын
@@lime7494 yes exactly
@mooseeyyy
@mooseeyyy 10 күн бұрын
@@buddyk1674 it’s impossible to get anything going… just sucks when you can’t do anything about it.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 9 күн бұрын
well the 4 straight calls against boston in the 3rd period 3 of which were iffy interference calls ruined the game im a leafs fan so it hurts to say that boston got screwed but in canada there is a view that southern usa teams get favorable treatment from the refs and bettman this year and last year are proving that to be true meanwhile the leafs send another 30 million in equalization payments to the league so teams like arizona can survive its time for canadian teams to take their puck and go home and start a canadian league without buttman
@JustinTheDev
@JustinTheDev 10 күн бұрын
Wild to consider the lightning goals that were disallowed and then see that this is not considered goaltender interference LOL. What a joke.
@timkitchen692
@timkitchen692 10 күн бұрын
That should not matter because the official is supposed to know the rule book. To claim this is a viable goal is to ignore the rule written. There is nothing less legitimate these days then NHL player safety. Bennett should not be in this game period let alone something like this count.
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 10 күн бұрын
The NHL even released a video explaining why it was a valid goal. Stop crying
@DashMaverick456
@DashMaverick456 10 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058 And they got it wrong. And they admitted in their rebuttal that it was wrong that Bennett did push Coyle into Swayman but as you can see - assuming you have eyes - that Swayman cannot play his position as Coyle is on top of him courtesy of the cross check by Bennett.
@jesusrivera2970
@jesusrivera2970 10 күн бұрын
@@DashMaverick456lol explain Floridas 41 shots over Boston’s 18, regardless of the goal Boston was up by 1 and still blew the lead ; Boston is choking again 😂
@timkitchen692
@timkitchen692 10 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058 Unless the exact same situation happens in round 3 against Florida. Then suddenly to you the actual rule will matter. lol
@soxxy
@soxxy 10 күн бұрын
@@jesusrivera2970 what are you on about? are we talking about who played better or how the NHL changes the definition of goaltender interference whenever they want?
@Bostons_Freak_Flag
@Bostons_Freak_Flag 10 күн бұрын
Thank you for all your uploads AND for not completely sh*ting all over the B's . Swayman couldn't GROW his legs longer , his body wasn't able to shift and MOVE . That's all I have to say . Thanks bud
@rogueninja1685
@rogueninja1685 10 күн бұрын
This is the NHL. Nobody gets 3/4 of the net in the NHL when these goalies see the play. Of course it was interference.
@evans9748
@evans9748 10 күн бұрын
My only thought is to look at Swaymans left leg. There is no attempt to push off his skate to shift right. It also looks like the defender falls behind him. I think the reason it wasn’t called interference is because it looks like Swayman would not have been able to move right as he never made the attempt before the defender fell towards him. Idk it’s a weird one but that’s the only thing I can think of as to why they deemed it a good goal 🤷🏼‍♂️
@Bostons_Freak_Flag
@Bostons_Freak_Flag 10 күн бұрын
@evans9748 I see you . If he was totally free to move , he could've thrown out his paddle or even been able to dig in and push off to flash the pad just a bit more . Think about his breakaway save where he JUUUUUUST got over and to saved that attempt . No one can be 100% right even though we want to be . My eyes , brain and hockey experience screamed "that's getting called back , no f'ing way" ... plus us Boston core people are stubborn , unrelenting and passionate . It's fucked either way and we seem to have better luck in Florida. Mayby there's better booger sugar there lol
@ach31337
@ach31337 10 күн бұрын
​@@evans9748that's not really the rule nor the explanation given as to why the play stood
@evans9748
@evans9748 10 күн бұрын
@@ach31337 The call was there wasn't enough contact to deem it goaltender interference. Why? Likely because it didn't interfere with Swaymans ability to make it over for the shot because he literally didn't attempt to move over at all. He was beaten clean and was already in a full split.
@Dillon41689
@Dillon41689 10 күн бұрын
Sports betting.......sports betting has caused all of this
@AndrewH1220
@AndrewH1220 10 күн бұрын
NHL not doing enough to help the refs cause this
@Dillon41689
@Dillon41689 10 күн бұрын
@@AndrewH1220 the NHL wanrs this.....for sports betting
@Kaboom-xp4lc
@Kaboom-xp4lc 9 күн бұрын
100% everyone gets a piece of the pie.....Bettman, refs, betting advertisers - im done with the NHL - greed ruined it
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
sad but true
@heinrichdude
@heinrichdude 10 күн бұрын
Brutal call ... I think another test or thought process should be, 'What would you do if that was a potential Stanley Cup winning goal'
@notright7
@notright7 10 күн бұрын
Why even have refs if the refs are not going to call it right. A punch was thrown and was not called with a person from the other team now out for at least the next game and goalie interference also not being called is just b.s. I am a fan of either team, but this is just trying to cheat a one team over another.
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 10 күн бұрын
Marchand isn’t out with anything head related and there wasn’t any interference. Deal with it
@diegopadilla8543
@diegopadilla8543 10 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058dude youre just spreading lies at this point
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
They put Florida over in the Tampa series too.
@joedoggie9098
@joedoggie9098 8 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058 said by only an idiot or a troll
@andrewthiessen1686
@andrewthiessen1686 10 күн бұрын
I don’t think Swayman would of saved it even without the contact. He pushed himself way too much forward before the hit. He was not closing the gap. Go Oilers!
@vio-noob_6737
@vio-noob_6737 10 күн бұрын
Agreed. Don’t think it mattered much. But we’ll never know
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 10 күн бұрын
Oilers didnt play in this game
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
Rule 69.1 defines interference as impairment of the goalie’s ability to move freely around the crease. There is nothing stating that interference requires the possibility of a save being made
@andrewthiessen1686
@andrewthiessen1686 9 күн бұрын
@@queenobamaii3736 I agree, that is what the rule is. But… I think they do look at his ability to make the save, even if they shouldn’t be. NHL has the worst officiating of any ice hockey league at the moment.
@asada135
@asada135 10 күн бұрын
It is nice to see someone actually read the rulebook. Too often commentators and players have no idea about actual rules. That is due to fact that most players learn the rules from experience rather than reeading the rulebook, which commonly leads to misconceptions and false information.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 9 күн бұрын
that is absolute bullshit
@ZakingGaming
@ZakingGaming 10 күн бұрын
A 7 minute Eck video? This has gotta be good
@davismiller3769
@davismiller3769 10 күн бұрын
Other games the Bruins lose if they get the calls (probably) anyways. This swung the game, and also because it was game 4, the series. 2-2 vs 3-1 is VASTLY different. I want the head of the review center fired after the season, and this team barred from officiating any playoff games next season. They just potentially affected the outcome of this series with this call, and I am livid. It's not even just this one call, the whole series has been egregiously reffed against Boston, and enough is enough. I'm sure the refs and replay reviewers are nice people, but they suck at their job and should do something else.
@frankpropri540
@frankpropri540 10 күн бұрын
LOL. Superior teams overcome bad calls. Tampa had double the power plays in round one as the panthers did.
@davismiller3769
@davismiller3769 10 күн бұрын
@@frankpropri540 Bullshit. Tell that to the 2002 Sacramento Kings.
@frankpropri540
@frankpropri540 10 күн бұрын
@@davismiller3769 Your team is Boston weak Not Boston strong You're not winning your team is Not as good as they were last year and the panthers are better than last year. You're goalie is the only reason it's close. You can cry all you want about the calls
@laughingbeast4481
@laughingbeast4481 10 күн бұрын
​@@frankpropri540How is it relevant to officiating? Strong teams overcome bad calls? And Boston is weak? So what ? Ever heard of weak teams beating stronger ones? Your argument doesn't make slightest sense.
@arandomperson1999
@arandomperson1999 10 күн бұрын
⁠@@frankpropri540the phrase Boston strong came from the Boston marathon bombing not any sports team
@mattheworlandi1129
@mattheworlandi1129 10 күн бұрын
As a Panthers fan, Florida has been the better team anyway, but the refs definitely helped us out in this game. Sure we were out shooting Boston 42 to 18 (good lord), but this game most likely would’ve gone to OT if that Bennett goal was called back.
@theclamhammer4447
@theclamhammer4447 10 күн бұрын
I dont know what’s up with these low SOG but VC is up 4-2 on Edmonton right now with 18 SOG to Edm 44.
@thewitchking852
@thewitchking852 10 күн бұрын
I come in peace (barely) as a Bruins fan. It's worth noting the rather large discrepancy in PP minutes in this series has a lot to do with that. Sure were not playing great but they're also fighting for their lives for half of the game. While the Bruins have a problem getting shots the reffing is at the point of me not watching. Shit is getting called on us that can be seen ALL over the ice ALL FUCKING GAME.
@mycapslockisbrokennvmifixe7518
@mycapslockisbrokennvmifixe7518 10 күн бұрын
@@thewitchking852That Bennett goal I think should have been overturned. I’m a Florida fan, but I would be absolutely furious as well if it were the other way around. Plus the other night with Ekblad holding the guy down before he crashed into Bob. This game should have at least gone to overtime or something, I hate controversial wins.
@arandomperson1999
@arandomperson1999 10 күн бұрын
⁠​⁠@@mycapslockisbrokennvmifixe7518at the very least you can take solace in the fact that Florida has been the better team no matter if you were getting the calls or not. Bruins may be getting fucked by the officiating but they’re doing themselves no favors with their play either
@chrismazurek7793
@chrismazurek7793 10 күн бұрын
⁠@@thewitchking852don’t take penalties then. florida has been more disciplined. can’t complain you’re getting called if the penalties are penalties. be happy boston even made the playoffs no one thought they would at the start of the year. florida has dominated the last 3 games 5 on 5. grow up and stop blaming refs. yes the goal call was extremely questionable but if you think that’s the reason u lost the series ur a clown. there’s plenty of questionable calls/ misses in every series. look at that missed 4 minute in the edm van game. like this one goal call didn’t lose the bruins 3 games at this point they had plenty of opportunities to score on florida or play better.
@kylehart8829
@kylehart8829 10 күн бұрын
I guess they're using the rebound/loose puck section? So they're arguing that Bennett was allowed to play physically to fight for the puck since it was loose. I hate the call regardless, but that's the angle I assume the situation room was taking. It wasn't that it was incidental contact, it was just considered legal since he was fighting for a loose puck. Why does that section of the rules even exist though, and even if it is there for good reason why was it applied here when it feels so obviously like Bennett got away with murder?
@timporter2850
@timporter2850 10 күн бұрын
That puck was obviously a “rebound”
@RemmyRiffs
@RemmyRiffs 10 күн бұрын
Yeah but the rebounding rule says there can't be "intentional" contact. Sam most definitely 100% purposefully intended contact.
@Dloweification
@Dloweification 10 күн бұрын
What you're ignoring is that the Bruins goalie didn't try to stop the puck. He never made a second effort. He pushed off the post as he saved the first shot, and pushed forward, not sideways then didn't make a second effort. If Coyle wasn't there, Bennett would have still scored. He didn't have a chance to stop the puck. I say this as a fan of both teams.
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
As he said, it doesn’t matter if he made an attempt or had a chance to make the save. Rule 69.1 only defines goalie interference as the impairment of the goalie’s ability to move freely around the crease. His ability to move freely around the crease was undoubtedly impaired.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
my god people see what they want to see who the hell is a fan of flo and bos give it up no one is buying what you are selling
@Dloweification
@Dloweification 8 күн бұрын
@@johnholmes8919 you're right, you see what you want to see. Your brain is full of garbage. I live on the west coast, so neither team is my go to. I cheer for Boston because I like them, and I cheer for Florida because I like them. My comment is a fair analysis of the play. You're simply upset because it doesn't validate your opinion. I.e. you biased, and a child. Grow the hell up.
@deanworsley5208
@deanworsley5208 10 күн бұрын
This is a very good breakdown of this incident, thanks for explaining it so well. As a Bruins fan I'm seething but I still don't think they're playing good enough for second round play-offs 😢
@BratatoChip
@BratatoChip 10 күн бұрын
Bruins have been absolutely FUCKED by the officiating
@jimbosmith6327
@jimbosmith6327 10 күн бұрын
No, they've been F'ed by the Panthers.
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
No they’ve been f’d up by an actually physical team. Physical beats dirty ever time.
@BratatoChip
@BratatoChip 10 күн бұрын
@@dannytallmage2971 I agree panthers have been more physical , also a dirty team
@peacebringer8
@peacebringer8 10 күн бұрын
​@@dannytallmage2971dirtier beats dirty. That's the only thing. Don't give me this BS that Panthers are not the dirtiest team in the league lol Bruins are a close second, but they lost key rats. Panthers just gooned up more this season and are rewarded for that.
@joedoggie9098
@joedoggie9098 8 күн бұрын
@@dannytallmage2971 lol lol lol gotta love the casuals, physical team you say , ok bennett sucker punches Marchand cold, no penalty, no suspension, ok, Maroon visited Bennett the next game and what happened dude? The physical team as you say player TURTLED, turtled, now as a hockey player myself, you do that to a star player you have to answer for it? Or you are to much of a casual to know the hockey code? Ekman larsson punches Coyle in the back of the head, Maroon comes out the very first shift next game, grabs EL and voila turtle number 2 appears, if I was coaching the bruins, I would have had Maroon sucker punch Barkov cold and deal with it. I would have had Frederic go sucker punch Bennett cold and deal with it. the league has had Floridas back all playoffs, so restore dignity to your team. Physical team you say lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, diving, headsnapping, and turtling, is physical hockey? Go watch another sport casual.
@hyper_lightning
@hyper_lightning 10 күн бұрын
Its pretty awful that most fans primary feeling is frustration at reffing and DOPS instead of enjoyment/excitement of the games. Genuinely feels like it gets worse every year too instead of better or staying the same. Vancouver-Edmonton series has been terrible in that sense as well (though the games have been super exciting). Just want some consistency
@The104th_Wolf_Pack
@The104th_Wolf_Pack 10 күн бұрын
Has anyone else noticed how bad pro sports officiating has become with sports betting now being so intertwined with the sport...
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 9 күн бұрын
yes we all have
@Dillpickle69420
@Dillpickle69420 10 күн бұрын
Buddy, tell me about it
@simonpro2282
@simonpro2282 10 күн бұрын
do you think the rewiew center know the rule book? for me it look like they flip a coin when they are not sure what the rule are, but i am probaly wrong
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 10 күн бұрын
They literally released a video explaining why the goal was good. So yeah they know the rule book
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
who are in the review room what angles do they get ?some teams control the video and dont release all the angles to the league that has been an issue for years now
@ColrathD
@ColrathD 10 күн бұрын
I've looked at this so many times, and read all relating rules so many times, and I cannot process how this isn't the most "by the books" definition of goalie interference. I can't believe the video room or refs even tried to defend their call because that just makes the whole thing even worse.
@polyton4539
@polyton4539 9 күн бұрын
great in-depth analysis, thank you so much for explaining the rule thoroughly and referencing the actual rule book and so on. great work!
@MrAenos
@MrAenos 10 күн бұрын
Panthers have 21 powerplays in 4 games & Boston has 11. This feels like the league is directing this as a desired result
@jimbosmith6327
@jimbosmith6327 10 күн бұрын
Dude, it's a matter of who is playing more disciplined hockey. Looks like Florida is a little more disciplined. Sure there are missed calls and all that. But to say the refs are favoring Florida over Boston, and use that as an excuse is just a way of diverting attention away from the fact that Florida is outplayed Boston.
@ad1260
@ad1260 10 күн бұрын
@@jimbosmith6327 You're trying to tell me your cheap shot Panthers play more disciplined hockey? Get the fuck up outta here. Tkachuk is looking like the biggest goon on the ice every chance he gets.
@theMrFouldsy
@theMrFouldsy 10 күн бұрын
​@@jimbosmith6327Florida are holding and interfering on almost every play. They aren't more disciplined, they just don't receive any discipline from the refs.
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
@@theMrFouldsy Second most penalized team is suddenly "disciplined" in the playoffs AND can run roughshod in the crease, but impeding Bob's view might get a goal called back. Bettman has placed his bet.
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 10 күн бұрын
That is a damning statistic considering Florida's playing "style"
@cooper0009
@cooper0009 10 күн бұрын
It definitely affected the play. I don’t like the rule, but by it this looks like it should be disallowed.
@ryanbowen9718
@ryanbowen9718 10 күн бұрын
The fact they didn’t show the punch angle until they next game is so sus. Sports are not two teams battling it out with refs trying their best to call by the rules. It’s sad
@dmitrykim3096
@dmitrykim3096 10 күн бұрын
The worst thing is that Boston is outplayed by Florida so that Boston will not even waste energy on appealing in that case
@xXTheGrimPhoenixXx
@xXTheGrimPhoenixXx 10 күн бұрын
I am a fan of neither team, but the way this series has been called. Can you guess which team is the 4th least valuable/profitable in the NHL? Which team barely had any fans till they started winning. Now, I'm not declaring shenanigans, but definitely some food for thought when you see Bennett slugging Marchand and this goal. They're both dirty players, this stuff is gonna happen. Would just like some consistency with how calls are made/suspensions given.
@arandomperson1999
@arandomperson1999 10 күн бұрын
If floridas presidents trophy run two seasons ago, and their Stanley cup run last year can’t bring up their profits, imo I dont see it happening this year, even with a cup win.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 9 күн бұрын
you can declare shenanigans we have been screaming that since the 93 leafs loss to la and the buf loss to dal the tb kucherov injury issue the disallowed calgary goal in 04
@wilferrero244
@wilferrero244 10 күн бұрын
Still can't believe this was called a goal
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 10 күн бұрын
It was a 100% valid goal. Get over it. You not liking it is irrelevant
@wilferrero244
@wilferrero244 10 күн бұрын
Why did you come to a video titled “This call was actually disgraceful” if you so clearly believe it was a 100% valid goal? To pick fights in the comment section?
@diegopadilla8543
@diegopadilla8543 10 күн бұрын
@@wilferrero244hes so obviously trolling. Dont even entertain it
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
They took 2 goals away from Tampa for being in Bob's area code in round 1, then allow this travesty.
@koldonn1111
@koldonn1111 10 күн бұрын
I can.
@brodymcafee5737
@brodymcafee5737 10 күн бұрын
Panthers have such a good team, but they've also had so many controversial goalie interference calls go their way this postseason it's crazy.
@Bullshirt1983
@Bullshirt1983 10 күн бұрын
After the calls that were made earlier in the series, calls that were insanely weak... allowing this goal is just mind boggling.
@imnashes
@imnashes 10 күн бұрын
by the exact wording of the rules, i say no goal. from a goaltenders perspective: this has happened to me a dozen or more times and never once has the referee even considered calling this a no goal. if i had this footage of myself in sways position i would be more upset with my defence than the referee for letting himself end up in that position. in my head canon if i can blame the defence more than the attacker for interference its a good goal
@sauliruottu5871
@sauliruottu5871 10 күн бұрын
Well said. Goals like this rarely get called off from what I've seen while more often players get called for interference even if the defenseman pushes the attacking player towards the goalie.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
are you joking or smoking
@RonstoOSRS
@RonstoOSRS 10 күн бұрын
I actually hate Boston and am rooting for FL in this series (not a fan of either team, but i actively dislike boston).... But even with me hating Boston, this call is actually so fucking bad. wtf
@SolidRizo
@SolidRizo 10 күн бұрын
Just a reminder, some of these refs completely fucking games up are still pocketing north of 150K-400K a year.... unacceptable
@GJT-bq3hr
@GJT-bq3hr 10 күн бұрын
And that doesn't include their Draftkings accounts
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
Maybe one of the Boston players making 4-10 million dollars a year should have done something other than forecheck. So funny how bussied out groupies never say a peep about the players sucking.
@michaelfortunato3117
@michaelfortunato3117 10 күн бұрын
considering they were calling interference penalties by the bunch in that game I'm surprised they didn't call the most obvious and important one
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 9 күн бұрын
you make a great point 3 interference calls against boston in the 3rd period were a joke
@Dbear39
@Dbear39 10 күн бұрын
First Toronto defended their decision with a sentence. By the end of the game they had released a paragraph defending their decision. What is next? A five paragraph essay? Do we need a novel on how you made the wrong call? What about the cross check? The referees in general have been under a 3rd grade comprehension level this playoffs. Swayman could have at least made a push to contest the Benentt goal if CC was not pushed into him.
@Ando2k10
@Ando2k10 10 күн бұрын
The only thing that I could think of, for why they allowed the goal is that they didn't feel that Bennett pushed Coyle into Swayman, because his arms really didn't extend...going with the thought that Coyle felt the push and embellished on it, causing Swayman to be unable to play the net. If that's the case, though, they should have said that in the press release.
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
I mean that is what they said. Swayman would have been unable to make the save (because his teammate spazzed into him). Per the rules Bennett did make contact with him- so the potential for interference is in effect; however, as a result of the embellishment (but not Bennett’s intial contact the goalie was rendered incapable of making the save. The embellishment supersedes the preceding action as the basis of the call.
@Batman-bh6vw
@Batman-bh6vw 10 күн бұрын
​@@dannytallmage2971 To call this embellishment is ridiculous.
@ipostthings4996
@ipostthings4996 9 күн бұрын
NHL should rebrand itself as "entertainment" because the sport has been taken out of it.
@lordstanley34
@lordstanley34 10 күн бұрын
So, by Toronto’s logic: the only guy in a position to make a play on that puck was Coyle and he is already over-skating it at the :22 second mark right as the push-non-push is engaged - therefore, ipso facto, the push “isn’t enough” and there’s no goaltender interference (???). Furthermore, because the puck was going into the net anyway, we can’t really say it was interference even though that’s pretty much all we called during the game. Is that the subtext? I truly cannot stand the Bruins but it’s no wonder that their fan base is upset.
@jacobkahn2091
@jacobkahn2091 10 күн бұрын
I think what they saw was that Coyle was already in the crease before the push and would have impaired Swayman either way
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
Exactly. Not to mention that it was a rebound making 69.7 operative.
@perrystewart9884
@perrystewart9884 10 күн бұрын
@@dannytallmage2971 Right, the rule clearly says that if it's a rebound and the defenseman's feet are already in the crease, the forward may push him from behind onto the goalie and score a goal. The push from behind is considered "incidental contact" while "playing the puck" as referenced in 69.7. Furthermore, the goal will be allowed to stand if the goalie "Probably wouldn't have made the save anyways". All checks out to me. Seems to me this is an under-utilized strategy for sure.
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
@@perrystewart9884 play hockey instead of practicing pratfalls and maybe your goalie can make the save. Better yet stay out of the goalie crease if you are easily pushed around.
@perrystewart9884
@perrystewart9884 10 күн бұрын
@@dannytallmage2971 right, I forgot the rule about being pushed into the goalie that talks about if the push was hard enough to be called or not, and whether or not the player that got pushed was tough enough to have the rule applied. Can you tell me where I can find that part of the rulebook?
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
@@perrystewart9884 I’d rather point you to a curves exercise gym. You’ve got three chins too many.
@jamessheeran4931
@jamessheeran4931 10 күн бұрын
Honestly Bennett needs to get called on his shenanigans he gets away with a bit too much
@Ubersmo
@Ubersmo 10 күн бұрын
Does rule 69.7 that you showed apply here? Saying that incidental contact is allowed since both the player and goalie were attempting to play a rebound?
@uppymcdowny58
@uppymcdowny58 10 күн бұрын
It does not. The rebound rule is for example, a player takes a swipe at a loose puck but misses and contacts the goalies glove inside the crease. In this scenario however, the contact with the goalie was not the result of playing a rebound, but the result of the attacking player deliberately shoving a defending player into the goalie.
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
Swayman was not trying to play that rebound. He wasn’t even close to the puck
@aaronkeith4130
@aaronkeith4130 10 күн бұрын
By the rules stated and reviewed in the video, yes Bennett’s push counts as the attacking player making contact, that checks out. But as shown with rule 69.7, you can plainly see the puck is rebounded off Swayman before Boston’s player is even making contact with him (and again, this counts as the attacking player making contact), so rule 69.7 takes effect and incidental contact is permissible, good goal
@EckHockey
@EckHockey 10 күн бұрын
This is not incidental contact
@liljoe31
@liljoe31 10 күн бұрын
Getting cross checked in the back in the crease is always incidental contact. If youre playing Florida. And it's a post season game
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
Swayman was not attempting to play the same loose puck that Bennett was. The puck became loose well after Swayman had played it
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
you are wrong but you dont care about that do you
@Killerjky80
@Killerjky80 10 күн бұрын
At first I didn’t see the other angle of the hit and thought it was fine but the other view is just awful
@darianfung160
@darianfung160 10 күн бұрын
As a panthers fan from south Florida this was a horrendous call
@dannytallmage2971
@dannytallmage2971 10 күн бұрын
As a mayflower descendent Boston fan from beacon hill it was an excellent call.
@Bigwave2003
@Bigwave2003 9 күн бұрын
Two penalties could have been called here. 1) Bennett cross-checked (not pushed) Coyle. 2) Goaltender interference on Bennett that prevented Swayman from playing his position. The Panthers' goal should have been disallowed.
@avjake
@avjake 10 күн бұрын
There's no way Swayman was getting over that far to stop the rebound shot. End of story.
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
Rule 69.1 Tell me where it requires him to have a chance. Where in the rules of goaltender interference does it require the goaltender to be able to make a save? Was his ability to move freely around the crease impaired? Yes. End of story. Read the fucking rules
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
well now we all have been told thank you oh great voice of hockey wisdom for giving us the only opinion that matters but you are wrong end of story !! but thanks for the chuckle and keep trying you might get it right someday
@rudydees2478
@rudydees2478 10 күн бұрын
Why is nobody talking about how Coyle was coming to a stop inside the blue paint before he was hit so regardless of what Bennett did he would have been in the way. Does that not factor into the call at all?
@perrystewart9884
@perrystewart9884 10 күн бұрын
No it does not. Nowhere in the rulebook does it say that you can be pushed into your own goalie as long as your feet are already inside the crease...
@rudydees2478
@rudydees2478 10 күн бұрын
​@@perrystewart9884 IDK maybe we are watching different videos but i see a defender skating into their own crease with momentum, heading directly toward their goalie, with their left leg directly in the path of their goalies leg (before any contact was made by Bennet) and then getting a light push (something that happens all the time near the crease) and then falling on top of their goalie. I agree that Bennett should be suspended for punching Marchand and I want the Bruins to win but i don't think this call is "disgraceful" it was just a tough one that happened to not go the Bruins way in a close game. Happens to every team in the league.
@perrystewart9884
@perrystewart9884 10 күн бұрын
@@rudydees2478 fair enough. I can agree with everything you said. The problem is, the rules don't take any of that into account as written, which I think is the issue so many are having with the call.
@rudydees2478
@rudydees2478 10 күн бұрын
@@perrystewart9884 Agree completely.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
only in your brain give it up your team won just admit the truth it was a bad call
@lenkennedy9214
@lenkennedy9214 10 күн бұрын
The bruins #1 enemy is their own forecheck. To win games you have to score the most goals. And to score goals you have to take shots. Something they did 0 times in the final 14 minutes of the game.
@N1ckeroo
@N1ckeroo 10 күн бұрын
Yeah maybe if they weren’t on the pk for 8 of those 14 minutes 😂
@lenkennedy9214
@lenkennedy9214 10 күн бұрын
@@N1ckeroo the shots going into the 3rd were something like 28-16 Florida. They were in control of the game all night winning most of the puck battles. Boston was praying their goaltending could keep them ahead in the 3rd and decided they didn't have to forcheck or take shots anymore to win. They're just gonna try to trap and stall this game out. Well then florida scored. Their gameplan of not forchecking and waiting for the period to end should have changed at that point but it didn't. Then florida scored again and boston responded by losing every puck battle and taking 0 shots on net.
@N1ckeroo
@N1ckeroo 10 күн бұрын
@@lenkennedy9214 “they were in control all night” it was 2-0 for over half the game LMFAO the refs gave the cats all the momentum.. also, shots don’t have any relevance to the call, would’ve been a 2-1 game
@lenkennedy9214
@lenkennedy9214 10 күн бұрын
@@N1ckeroo they controlled the play. They had the puck more, took way more shots and won most of the puck battles. They outshot bost something like 14-5 in the 1st and boston was lucky to get out of the first up 2-0 when they were outshot 14-5. They were in control on the scoreboard yes, but not in control on the actual ice they were plwying on. They hoped their goalie could steal another game for them and they wouldn't have to score anymore goals because boston but florida kept playing their game and boston kept being lazy and florida eventually started burying their chances. You gave up 42 shots. Thats not exactly a winning formula. Poor Swayman. He tried to bail you out again. You wouldn't even be in round 2 if he didn't play out of his mind with a .950 save% in round 1.
@lenkennedy9214
@lenkennedy9214 10 күн бұрын
@@N1ckeroo did they really get 4 powerplays in the final 14 minutes? Are you sure about that? If so one of them was for that failed review. Also didn't boston get 2 late powerplays. 1 in the final minute. And still got 0 shots. Because they don't have very good offense. You need a new #1 center. Tell your GM to sign Stamkos or another elite 1st line center this off season. Charlie Coyle is a 2nd or 3rd line center. No offense.
@Johnny-fw9xj
@Johnny-fw9xj 10 күн бұрын
Swayman was not able to slide towards the post in any case, he had no momentum when Coyle crashed into him. So Coyle crashing into Swayman had zero impact on the goal, it would have been a goal with or without the push. It would have been a different story if Swayman was already in motion to make a save but he wasn't.
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
69.1 Goaltender Interference is when a goalkeeper’s ability to move freely around the crease is impaired. Tell me that his ability to move freely around the crease wasn’t impaired
@loganwyman802
@loganwyman802 10 күн бұрын
Thanks for making this eck, even though you are a bruins hater you can still make this video. You are the man! Keep up the vids
@Mike.Hunt.
@Mike.Hunt. 10 күн бұрын
Knew the dude was human garbage when he played in Calgary
@jimbosmith6327
@jimbosmith6327 10 күн бұрын
And so is Marchand. And he is the captain up in ol' Boston.
@lomakinalex
@lomakinalex 10 күн бұрын
My thing is Coyle is still in the way regardless of if there is a push or not and they've allowed bumps from a defending player to still allow Goaltender interference on a collision with an attacking player and the goaltender. The "crosscheck" is not enough for a penalty anyways and Coyle was gonna run into Swayman regardless, its not egregious enough to me where you can absolutely say its a missed call.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
that god that your wrong opinion doesnt matter but you are so wrong that you could be a ref
@lemurking6896
@lemurking6896 10 күн бұрын
Ignoring the public release - do you think the bit you covered about the Rebounds exception makes this a good goal? Honestly, given your whole explanation, I feel like it should: if "attacking player" can be substituted by "defender pushed by attacker", then the exception could very well be that, when in a rebound scenario, a defender pushed into the goaltender does not consiltitute goaltender interference.
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
The rebound scenario only applies to when the goaltender is trying to play a loose puck. Swayman wasn’t trying to play a loose puck
@BillyAu
@BillyAu 10 күн бұрын
It definitely prevented swayman from going across the crease. So they got it wrong!
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 10 күн бұрын
So you think Swayman is able to magically grow his limb longer and extend it towards the other side while lying in a split? Cool story bro. Also Coyle flopped
@BillyAu
@BillyAu 10 күн бұрын
​@@tbd3058Yes, he was going that way and could of saved it. The rules don't mention if or maybe the goalie makes the save, so it's interference. The Cross-check caused the player to go into the goalie.
@dreadfull5917
@dreadfull5917 10 күн бұрын
Naww
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058rule doesn’t require a save to be possible. Goaltender Interference is when a goaltender’s ability to move freely around the crease is impaired. 69.1
@bradromans4719
@bradromans4719 10 күн бұрын
It would be interesting to see how good Florida is if they had to play by the same rules as everyone else.
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr
@MikeHarvey-ol7xr 10 күн бұрын
Yep, preferential treatment both rounds so far.
@anicca0x
@anicca0x 10 күн бұрын
I think the live commentators said that if the on ice refs didn't judge it a minor penalty, the hands of Toronto were tied to not judge it a no goal.
@zaccrosby8411
@zaccrosby8411 10 күн бұрын
Look I know if you’re not a goalie you dont understand it but swayman had 0 chance of stopping that. He pushed outwards and was in a split before coyle fell on him. Go ahead and try to push right in a split when your weight is already on the right. He wouldn’t have moved much at all
@queenobamaii3736
@queenobamaii3736 9 күн бұрын
69.1 Nowhere does it require the goaltender having a chance to stop the puck. Goaltender Interference is when a goaltender’s ability to move freely around the crease. Says it very clearly in rule 69.1
@tylerkaralynallen9286
@tylerkaralynallen9286 10 күн бұрын
As a fan of neither team. This should not have been a goal.
@tbd3058
@tbd3058 10 күн бұрын
It’s 100% a valid goal
@evanmoore6170
@evanmoore6170 10 күн бұрын
@@tbd3058no no it’s not
@AmpliphyHD
@AmpliphyHD 10 күн бұрын
The officiating was biased towards Florida in the Tampa series too, I hate the idea of AI taking jobs but refs should be replaced with an unbiased AI lol...
@scottymascotty8692
@scottymascotty8692 10 күн бұрын
Tampa had more powerplays in that series
@AmpliphyHD
@AmpliphyHD 10 күн бұрын
@@scottymascotty8692 Yeah panthers are a dirty team. Pretty much all of the calls against Tampa were for interference or roughing, the calls against Florida were mostly stick infractions like high stick, cross checking, slashing. Tampa had I think 4 important goals called back for goalie interference🤷‍♂
@Astrea946
@Astrea946 10 күн бұрын
@@scottymascotty8692but they screwed Vegas with the power plays last year too vs Florida as well yeah they won but giving 7 power plays is way to much to bostons 4 they need to do better look at the rangers series the game 3 was decided by a powerplay
@scottymascotty8692
@scottymascotty8692 10 күн бұрын
@@AmpliphyHD stick infractions are often not dirty.
@McSorleyFan33
@McSorleyFan33 10 күн бұрын
Coyle dove. He was lightly hit and decided to fall into swayman acting like he got shot. Good goal fuck the bruins
@username7763
@username7763 10 күн бұрын
If he did, that is terrible strategy. There's a good chance of that going the other way.
@brokenarrow726
@brokenarrow726 10 күн бұрын
The only thing I can think why the refs wouldn't call this a no goal would be bc Coyle was already in the crease when the initial save was made before bennet pushed him. That's the only thing i could think, but i agree with you, at the very least no goal, possibly a penalty on FL should have been called.
@johnholmes8919
@johnholmes8919 8 күн бұрын
have you thought that bettman wants a stanley cup parade in miami cause thats what most of canada is thinking except the butt licking ron mcclean
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