“What’s a pantheon?” Dude is so sheltered he literally can’t wrap his head around the Greek gods, one of the more famous pantheons.
@MorningStar426 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in a very conservative Christian area. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a zealous parent didn't want their kids to know that any gods exist besides theirs.
@zacharysieg2305 Жыл бұрын
@@MorningStar426 Ironically, I feel blessed to have only met sane Christians in-person.
@jaysonklein6018 Жыл бұрын
Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Hindu, etc
@zacharysieg2305 Жыл бұрын
@@jaysonklein6018 Exactly. So many options. I can’t even imagine being so limited.
@arcadiaberger9204 Жыл бұрын
How do you know what you ARE, without know what you are NOT? Seriously, the Bible itself contains descriptions of the worship of other gods, and of practices which were forbidden, and people who were punished, cast out or executed for engaging in them.
@sethmiller2532 Жыл бұрын
Even being a Christian myself, I still find it really confusing and gross that my fellow Christians can really believe that they're being disrespected by the mere act of acknowledging that other people and beliefs exist if that acknowledgment isn't also followed up with a statement that those people and their beliefs are ontologically evil.
@nikkip3567 Жыл бұрын
@@Axel-zc6xj That is pure genius. I've never run into this problem but I will be saving this just in case it ever comes up.
@broodhunter2 Жыл бұрын
I also like to point out to them that "Judgement belongs to the Lord", so....have your beliefs, and shut up about it.
@koroplays3200 Жыл бұрын
That's literally part of the reason I left the church and a bunch of other really fucked up shit but that was a part of it.
@lsthero5863 Жыл бұрын
I once created a religion called “the church of the lord of fire”, (just christianity) that was practiced in an old fallen empire and the kingdoms who Rose above it’s ruins. At first it started Well because we were on the east of the map, where this cult was the biggest power among the lordships. But the group went toward the west, and the cult to the old gods almost replaced completely the lord of fire. In the group there was a cleric who was insanely zealot (the character, not the player) and it put all the group members into serious problems many times for his fanaticism. I think that was consistent with his character and made the game very interesting xD.
@oldsoldier4209 Жыл бұрын
Should anyone ever run into a "Kenneth", here is a tip from a ordained Christian minister, who has played every edition of D&D since Basic, starting in 1977. First, ask them to recite the 1st Commandment. "I am the Lord, Thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me!" Note: this statement DOES NOT deny the existence of other gods. Second, ask them to repeat the words Christ spoke to the Heavens, upon the cross. "God, my God, God of gods! Why hast Thou forsaken Me?" From the mouth of Christ Himself, an admission that other gods DO exist. The belief that the God of Hebrew, Christian, and Muslim Scriptures is the ONLY deity in existence IS NOT promoted or supported by scriptural text. The actual Scriptures state that He is the supreme deity, not the only one. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 🤠👍
@Dreigonix Жыл бұрын
I’m so glad people are learning this! It’s a super-interesting aspect of Abrahamic lore- the early Hebrews were monolatrous, but not monotheistic, and there are several places in the Bible where they tacitly acknowledge other cultures’ gods. I’m actually writing my own setting based on a reinterpretation of the Bible and I’m gonna do some really cool stuff with interaction and level conflict between YHWH and the gods of other pantheons, especially the Egyptian gods during Exodus.
@joelceda35003 ай бұрын
Isn't there also a bit in the Bible where the God is mentioned attending/having attended a "council of gods"? (I can't remember exact wording and it wasn't in English, but I always imagined it to be like a convention for gods...) Heck, maybe it was a D&D convention and we're all just characters in a very long campaign? 😆
@oldsoldier42093 ай бұрын
@@joelceda3500 If it turns out that you're right, my player has some SERIOUS issues they really need to work through. 🤣😂🤣
@HurricaneGust Жыл бұрын
the guy who wanted all his stats to auto increase wanted a video game
@JeevesAnthrozaurUS Жыл бұрын
Imagine if it turns out Kenneth's campaign is super Book of Revelation vibes, just metal album cover levels of blood and carnage *P U R I F I E D*
@MaxinEve Жыл бұрын
Glorified DOOM ETERNAL
@CharlesGriswold Жыл бұрын
I’d play that.
@realdragon Жыл бұрын
@@MaxinEve I wanna play Doom Eternal in DnD
@The_Murder_Party Жыл бұрын
That’d be rad
@MaxinEve Жыл бұрын
@@realdragon Look, It would not be difficult, in fact I would suggest PtbA instead of DnD, but it could be done. Affer all, rip and tear until it's done, right?
@pauldurando9466 Жыл бұрын
I’m Catholic myself and it frustrates me to no end when Christians can’t separate a game from their beliefs. It’s really cringe and is basically the whole reason for the Satanic Panic in the 80s. Edit: I realize that it’s cringy but thanks for the likes!
@tiozuradasexatas6754 Жыл бұрын
Noteworthy: It was a catholic who created the modern concept of "medieval fantasy".
@dudemcguy8949 Жыл бұрын
@@tiozuradasexatas6754 I mean, you could take the idealized Christian crusader as pretty much the basis of the Paladin.
@firstswordcorvus7368 Жыл бұрын
The satanic panic mindset still kind of exists in my hometown, they're definitely a minority these days. But it's still possible to run into people, mainly old people, but some younger people have been brainwashed to believe that. Sounds like it doesn't exist at all in cities, not sure about other small towns, could be just the heavily religious small towns like my hometown that still have small sects of those closed minded nutjobs. Or maybe my hometown is the last living bastion for them, I honestly don't know
@dorothygilley3194 Жыл бұрын
Twinsies ✨
@pallydan893 Жыл бұрын
@@dudemcguy8949 I think they meant Tolkien, the guy basically created his own pantheon despite being catholic
@jamestitus472 Жыл бұрын
What's ironic is that Tolkien was about as medieval and traditional a Christian can get, and he basically invented the fantasy genre that D&D is founded on.
@ZorotheGallade Жыл бұрын
13:42 To give Carrie some credit, it took months of abuse culminating with the most cruel prank and ensuing public humiliation to make her snap. Mary Sue here just did it whenever she wasn't the focus of the entire server for more than ten seconds.
@afckingegg7585 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that Carrie's date was accidentally killed by the prank
@TheNormExperience Жыл бұрын
“Well I didn’t know it worked like that…” Yeah, that’s why people KEPT TELLING YOU TO READ THE RULEBOOK! Ignorance isn’t an excuse when it’s done intentionally.
@Michaeljack81sk Жыл бұрын
Counterpoint to the first story. Our party did exactly the same thing in my DM Dan's game, snatching a crystal while it was being flown to the bad guys base via an Airship. The party sorcerer used flight and invisibility to reach the airship and scout it then teleported us aboard and the DM called the session Next week he came back with an epic battle for us against the ship captain and crew that ended with us not only taking the crystal but capturing the airship too (Initiating a few "We must be on Disk 4 now" jokes). Just want to shout out Dan for being such an awesome DM if he reads this because he'd never imagined we'd attempt this or planned for it before that point
@sherylcascadden4988 Жыл бұрын
As a GM for a one shot intended to last only two or three sessions, I had a player ask to be a techno-plaladin of the "one true God". I said "which one?" and he didn't get it. I ended up letting him play, and everyone had fun at his expense. He did learn after a while.
@ZorotheGallade Жыл бұрын
...so he was basically playing the Doom Slayer.
@Lobster_Lars Жыл бұрын
dude, if you wanna make a street preachers head explode, just ask him which god they're preaching for. "just.... god" "yeah but which one?" "the one of the bible?" "which bible?"
@foxfireinferno197 Жыл бұрын
Kenneth's head would explode if he ever ran into my games. "Yeah, the gods don't exist, but most people think they do."
@Kennisaurus Жыл бұрын
That wouldn't bother him because he'd assume you means gods he already considers false.
@RiveroftheWither Жыл бұрын
Love the irony of the first post. Doesn't care about the rules of D&D because he thinks they make his character too weak, in reality his character is too weak BECAUSE he's not following the rules 🤣👍
@tsifirakiehl4250 Жыл бұрын
Intro story: One important thing all DMs need to know-the players aren’t always going to do what you planned. As a DM, you need to be capable of adapting on the fly to what your players do. Of course, there are cases where you need to put your foot down and give them a hard no, but this wasn’t one of those cases. First story: If you don’t want D&D to have rules, you don’t want to play D&D. You just want to play pretend. There’s nothing wrong with that, but you shouldn’t get snotty at people who actually do want to play D&D. How hard is it to just be nice? Second story: It sounds like that problem player watched Blazing Saddles too many times. Threatening your own character to get what you want only works if your DM is a background character in a Mel Brooks movie. Third story: Yeesh, Susan sounds like a nightmare to play with. I don’t know why anyone stayed in that server with her for as long as they did, but at least there was a happy ending! Fourth story: What. The. Fuck. I really thought the RPG community had gotten over the “the existence of fantasy gods is satanic” phase by now. People like Kenneth, who try to force their religion on others, are complete and utter assholes.
@TheRoboKitty Жыл бұрын
Yeah, there really isn't anything heretical with thinking "hey, what if in this _fictional_ world God created lesser gods, some of which are evil?" Anyone trying to enforce rules otherwise is... Well, they didn't pay attention to why the Pharisees are presented as villains
@davidtherwhanger6795 Жыл бұрын
Intro Story: Exactly. Don't even plan out specific plans for them. Just give them some basic intel. Like the quest giver tells them "A company of Royal Guards is escorting the McGuffin from Salisburg to Castle Strongwalls in a week. Once at Strongwalls it will be placed in the vaults under the castle and the Royal Guards will stay at the castle until the King calls for it." And just show on the map there is more than one route between Salisburg and Strongwalls, like a road and a river way. Let them do the work of planning things. You've already told them it is guarded by a bunch of soldiers and headed to a place with hundreds of soldiers. That's all the plans you really need right then. Last Story: I'm a born again Christian. And I was going WTF?! on that one. "Christian Values" do change some based on which denomination you are in. Some only a little and minor points. Some a lot and major points. I guarantee Kenneth would eventually run into one of them and be dumbstruck that the other Christian didn't believe exactly like he did.
@shinami3758 Жыл бұрын
"How hard is it to just be nice?" Some people can't, don't know how to, or refuse to tolerate the opinions or beliefs of others. Kenneth, Steam, Reddit, review sites, and more are prime examples.
@TigerW0lf Жыл бұрын
It's even hypocritical, part of the religion is usually NOT being a ZEALOT! too much of a medicine becomes a poison
@The_Murder_Party Жыл бұрын
But... Kennith wasn’t that bad, he wasn’t pushing anything, he was confused and exclusionary, but the first isn’t a sin- er... isn’t unacceptable XD and the second is the DMs prerogative, I don’t think *I’d* like that game, but I have no problem with others doing so. That world of darkness story though? Super yikes.
@ZorotheGallade Жыл бұрын
The second story seems to star the typical "Videogame minded" characters. They don't want to have to strategize or care about their characters, just give them the cool powers and make bigger numbers pop out of the monsters when they hit them already.
@QueenSiv Жыл бұрын
At 4:40 I busted a brain cell cuz there was a player trying to force us to change rules and whining that he would be happier if we just let him bend rules so that he could just power play and be a cartoon character that was all powerful. When I told him we don’t play that way and If he wanted to play that way with his friends (his argument was he plays that way with them so we should too) then he can keep doing that but we won’t change the way we play. He even said ‘yunno SOME people play dnd differently than you, so you should really consider that’ I flaked his ass out of the chat for real in front of the homies
@Cosmic_K13 Жыл бұрын
in all fairness, ki save dc is annoying to improve on any character that doesn't invest in wis. dex is a better bet as actually hitting is more important, while also improving your ac. Cantrips are the only spells that level regardless of caster levels, but he seemed to want power he would never have.
@QueenSiv Жыл бұрын
@@Cosmic_K13 no you don’t get it he’s a wizard and he wanted every caveat removed from him character such as swapping prepared spells anytime he wants and getting higher level abilities earlier because he wanted them and demanded custom magic items that let him remove all balance to his character
@Cosmic_K13 Жыл бұрын
@@QueenSiv It sounds like this player just wanted to feel cool/ unique, and decided the rules were holding him back. Chances are he was being a child about it, but I cant help but feel that this situation could have been remedied.
@QueenSiv Жыл бұрын
@@Cosmic_K13 that was absolutely not the case, he no longer plays with us because he was an incredibly selfish and disrespectful person. I would submit the story to someone but it’s honestly too long and I’d have to like, really write it out. Maybe I will, I don’t think he frequents these communities
@VayaKahvi Жыл бұрын
I did have a moment where I told a player "no" on a thing he wanted to do, I think it involved fire, I don't remember exactly, but I do remember declaring "And the sky opens up, a hand comes down and picks up (character) and with a booming voice full of divine power says "Ň̷̛͔͔͚̩̣͚̓̆̆Ỏ̷̯́̈́" before carefully setting them back down."
@ArawnNox Жыл бұрын
The video title reminded me of a short game I played with friends. They were preacher's sons, so they wouldn't touch DnD, but other RPGs were fine, ironically. Anyway, one of them found what was basically a rules light DnD system that was a Christian teaching aide. I don't remember much about it, but the way you cast prayers (spells) was to recite specific bible verses that you, the player, were supposed to memorize. Overall it was harmless but a bit silly. There were no real stats or classes as I recall as it was just a little booklet.
@akmi1931 Жыл бұрын
That’s actually kind of clever. You could totally turn Bible verses into somatic components/spells So many of them are like curses and saying what happens anyway
@JeevesAnthrozaurUS Жыл бұрын
@@akmi1931 There was a d20 campaign setting called "Testament: Roleplaying in the Biblical Era" where there was a version of the Bard called a Psalmist The Biblical Book of Psalms is a collection of the words that would accompany the music of these Psalmists.
@angrytheclown801 Жыл бұрын
I kinda figured that's how clerics work anyway. Just passages of their holy books, so it checks out interestingly.
@strikeforcerome Жыл бұрын
The game you're referring to sounds like Dragonraid, which was a Christian alternative to D&D back in the day
@victorholmes7075 Жыл бұрын
DND the Flanders way
@kurestor1603 Жыл бұрын
As a Christian... bruh. Come on man. Kenneth, my guy. Please.
@tabeechey Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this just ruins the game AND the religion.
@thilypad557 Жыл бұрын
fancy seeing you here :)
@ren_suzugamori1427 Жыл бұрын
Same. As a Christian myself (and an at home practice Christian) Kenneth is some person I probably wouldn't get along with because I don't go to church or trust the Vatican. Period. His parents probably dug into his head so bad he doesn't have his own thoughts anymore... Now I feel bad for thinking he deserves the worst. Will I edit that comment on this same video? Probably not.
@CharlesGriswold Жыл бұрын
Maybe Kenneth should just play DragonRaid. If you want to play “D&D, but Christian” it’s hard to go wrong with DragonRaid.
@Cadzie442 Жыл бұрын
Lmao
@Puzzles-Pins Жыл бұрын
There was a girl in my highschool that wasn't allowed to open the windows or the door on Halloween. They had to close all the curtains and hide inside all day and night, because their parents were convinced evil spirits roamed the land that day and they could get in. Felt bad for her.
@theofficerfactory2625 Жыл бұрын
I am super Christian but have no faith that thy lord will protect me and my family during these heathenistic day! That’s not how it works.
@TwilightNyx12 Жыл бұрын
I’m sorry but a small part of me really *really* hopes that they actually believed that, the small children in superhero costumes wandering the streets for sweets, are little demons that are trying to break into their house. 😂
@wyvern723 Жыл бұрын
Mage is my favorite WoD game. Like it's my jam... and they can be very, very powerful... but when they fuck up, they fuck up *hard* That Character sounds like a marauder (a mage whose magic has basically driven them insane), which no sane GM would ever allow. They are so ridiculously powerful that reality will eventually just boot them. I used to larp with a group of kids like Kenneth. They mostly just played fighter types, but there was one kid who played healer, and he ended every one of his spells with "in Jesus's name. They actually decided to go against helpful NPCs because they made a small reference to other gods in a flavor story post before an event.
@manticore6963 Жыл бұрын
As someone who runs a Vampire-campaign and has some knowledge on the wider WoD-lore, that World of Darkness-story hurt. Like, that werewolf-character was tame but the Mage and Vampire would've been dead within seconds were it any other Story Teller. Even with me, and I'm very lenient and normally give 2 or 3 chances to fuck up.
@LordJorMagi Жыл бұрын
As i know more about VtM and a very little of Werewolf... If i was the GM, oh good lord yes... That "Susan" was anmoying as f*ck. That kind of behaviour only happens when the GM has some kind of "crush" on the player obviously!. She was totally spoiled and ruined lot of other players experiences. But at least she got what she really deserved. She was really the main antagonist of the "campaign". I'm sure all of the other players cheered her backlash!.
@patdav56 Жыл бұрын
Even despite all this hell regarding these stories, I still absolutely want to play VtM, just need someone to teach me. It seems fun *if the rules are followed*
@ZorotheGallade Жыл бұрын
For all I know about WoD, being a game where the way to success or failure is dictated by abiding to restrictions to your powers or balancing risk and reward, having a character who doesn't give a flying dick about either of them basically means they're not even playing the game, just spouting whatever cool shit they want to do at the expense of everyone else.
@manticore6963 Жыл бұрын
@@ZorotheGallade It's not even about solely restrictions to powers like with mages - in the case of vampires, the restrictions come from social restrictions and the fact, that you have to hide what you are - otherwise not only humans will try to kill you; but also your fellow vampires, due to you becoming a risk to all of their existence. Better one dead masquerade-breacher than a 100 dead vampires. So you can't just run around showing off obvious supernatural abilities, because you will get murked the second someone suspects that you are a danger to them. There's also the fact, that vampires are cutthroat and hierarchical by nature - a vampire on a lower social ladder might get killed simply because they didn't show the prince the right amount of respect. So a vampire who openly disrespects elysium - a place where all attendees are promised safety - would be killed within a second, because they don't obey the rules of vampire-society. In Vampire, there's no place for a special underdog. The only way to even remotely get away with something like that would be being high up in the food chain and having an army of loyal allies behind you, who protect you from people that want you out of the picture. And that is almost impossible in Vampire.
@The_Murder_Party Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I’ve never played werewolf, but know of them through vampire, and they sound like a hateful bunch, but not the kind to have the type of structure that vampires do, their equivalent of a masquerade breach is likely very tame, and I could see one working with another side, on an individual basis, and that other side’s party would likely be more dangerous then the rest of the wolves.
@finnmchugh99 Жыл бұрын
I'd love to see the look on Kenneth's face if he was in my Theros or Amonkhet campaigns. Not only cuz they have a pantheon but they don't take kindly to dissenters, his character will get a hefty bowl of Smiting or exiled into a desert full of ravenous mummies faster than he can say "Theres are not true gods"
@kimberlynorris338 Жыл бұрын
I have a funny story as a contrast to that introduction! I was running a homebrew module set in a world of humanoid insects, and the party was supposed to investigate a cult settlement. Now, in the module, the party either makes it across the settlement and sees a thing happening via stealth, or they fight an army of necromancer flies and their zombie minions, get their butts kicked, and have to be rescued by an NPC. The party took a third option - they convinced the algae and giant crabs in the lake/swamp surrounding the settlement to attack as a distraction while they investigated things. I couldn't not let them do that, so I moved the NPC encounter to a different location and let them do that. The NPC turned out to be utterly beloved by the party and is currently dating the cleric.
@Pandaemoni Жыл бұрын
I played in a 5e D&D game where the DM refused to let anyone play a warlock because that would be unchristian. I didn't realize this when I started playing as my initial character was a bard, but that character had an opportunity to open his own lavish theater, and so I decided he wouldn't pass that up and thus he "retired" and I needed a new character. As I had never played a warlock, I wanted to try that, and that's when the DM told me his houserule. I asked to play a fey-pact warlock, but no dice (but clerics of other gods and arcane casters were okay). I am still not sure why only warlocks were too satanic for the game.
@tonysmith9905 Жыл бұрын
Don't try to use logic to win arguments against those that have no reason.
@georgemeyers4894 Жыл бұрын
With your problem and Kenneths, why are they playing D&D in the first place? If they are that devout of Christians they would avoid the game like the plague.
@davidtherwhanger6795 Жыл бұрын
That is because Warlock is the male equivalent of Witch. And there is an old testament passage (IIRC) that says do not suffer a Witch to live. At least that's where I think that guy was coming from. Law versus suggestion.
@foxfireinferno197 Жыл бұрын
I'm guessing he's unaware of the CELESTIAL warlock.
@majorasmask5523 Жыл бұрын
If you’re going to multiclass with Monk, how about taking a few levels in Barbarian? I’ve been theory crafting a character who’s a bit like Hoarah Loux, except he prefers bears instead of lions. I call him Ursius Groon: Warrior! Mostly Way of the Open Hand, with a few levels in Bear Totem. I really wish there was a Way of the Grizzly Bear…
@foxfireinferno197 Жыл бұрын
I think you just invented it.
@robertbryant4669 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure how things work currently, but historically Monk and Barbarian have been diametrically opposed: a Monk had to be of Lawful alignment, whereas a Barbarian couldn't be Lawful.
@endlessmisery15 Жыл бұрын
@@robertbryant4669 Not sure about older editions, but 5e doesn't have alignment restrictions. You can technically play a CE paladin and so long as you keep to your tenets you're golden. Nowadays, the main limit for the Monk/Barb multiclass is incompatibilities in stats and class features, such as unarmed strikes not being able to proc Rage bonus.
@thornwalker8970 Жыл бұрын
@@robertbryant4669 It's still the case in Pathfinder (at least 1e, haven't touched 2e), but in dnd 5e there are no restrictions anymore. I'd love to play a lawful-something barb Way of the Grizzly Bear sounds absolutely awesome and I need to try that at some point lol
@finnmchugh99 Жыл бұрын
Also maybe add Tavern Brawler feat for that extra flavor and you a Hoarah Loux(chador) going Mucha Lucha on foes XD
@emperorlewd Жыл бұрын
Exalted is a awesome game and i hope people don't get the wrong idea about it from this
@TheRoboKitty Жыл бұрын
I mean the story is all about how one moron didn't want to be awesome, so I think Exalted is pretty safe
@Seth9809 Жыл бұрын
I mean my perception of Exalted is based on that one section of that one book, that had CP in it.
@PrinceLuigii Жыл бұрын
I'm a born again Christian, understanding what is reality and what is fantasy is a must. I get it from both sides. I got people from one side saying that it's evil incarnate and I got people from the other side saying I'm too much of a zealot. Dude, I just want to play some DnD5e and have some good escapism let me beeee
@flyq7470 Жыл бұрын
the only thing I can think of more fun than running session I had planned to be a heist would be the heist turning into a train robbery!
@PaladinGear15 Жыл бұрын
A player left our Star Wars group the other day because he found out that two of the players weren't straight, he started sending the religious DM bible verses, insisting his hatred of non-straight people was justified because of the bible. Thankfully while the DM is a straight and religious person, he's not hateful, and so he said if he wasn't gonna be able to play nice, and apologize for all the homophobia, he had to go, he STILL refused, saying he was in the right because it said so in the bible, and now the dude's gone >_
@Cyraneth Жыл бұрын
Being unable to separate real life and fantasy can be really dangerous. We use our imagination for so many thing, from daydreaming to interior design to hypotheses. And I can see how this "pure" DM might run into problems for his game, considering he's a GM and so... fundamentalist in his beliefs. I mean, why is he carrying out Satan's will by acting out the bad guys in his game?
@foxfireinferno197 Жыл бұрын
"My spells should just get stronger without having to use higher level spell slots!" "That's called 'Third Edition'."
@Mr.Spongecake Жыл бұрын
"We're not seeing someone who's trying to ensure safety or comfortability at the table." Yes we are. Kenneth is trying to make the game safe and comfortable for Kenneth. Who's everyone else? Oh they don't matter.
@lasmirandadennsiewillja9435 Жыл бұрын
"Attack the mist" and "crossbow." Huh. Lacks Gazebo. (I wonder, do kids these days still know "Knights of the Dinner Table"? 😁)
@emberfist8347 Жыл бұрын
I don't think the Gazebo incident came from there. Attack the Mists reminds me of casting magic missile at the darkness.
@Mokiefraggle Жыл бұрын
@@emberfist8347 IIRC, the Gazebo incident was an actual in-game incident that may have gotten slightly exaggerated over time, and the "I attack the darkness" gag was...I think it was the Dead Ale Wives sketch? I mostly think "I waste it with my crossbow!" when I think of KoDT, and a whole host of other goofy frequent one-liners.
@Arthas30000 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, Sleep is a spell which should be abandoned past lvl 3 if you want to play optimally. Then again, it is useful utility to have periodically.
@tompadfoot3065 Жыл бұрын
The opener made me think of the time I planned a prison break for my players, assuming they would get themselves arrested. As it turns out they were more than willing to take hush money from a corrupt city council and not be arrested. All except 1 PC. So the prison escape became a prison rescue lol
@videostarlet Жыл бұрын
You know when I clicked on this, I was really kinda hoping I'd hear about what a Purified DnD game would be like. It's really fascinating. Ah well.
@CharlesGriswold Жыл бұрын
Step 1: Read all of the Warhammer 40,000 novels. Step 2: Build a D&D campaign world that captures the vibe of the 40k universe. Step 3: Run a campaign loosely based on the Inquisitor Eisenhorn novels. Use of the Spelljammer rules is optional.
@pennychenery7456 Жыл бұрын
Oh man. Susan getting what she deserved was so satisfying.
@Helthegrim Жыл бұрын
So the person who wanted the 'Rules Light' stuff, they just want how 3.5/Pathfinder 1e works with Abilty DCs, Spells and other class based things upgrading as you gained more levels in that class or classes that let you stack them together. Though they probably would have disliked all yhe other rules there regardless.
@chibinya Жыл бұрын
Think they just wanted a game where you can play the character you envision and it doesn't break down. There's a lot of classless stuff out there that would fit better.
@Galaxykuma Жыл бұрын
That last story The guy sounds like someone you who would shove their beliefs down the throats of other people.
@lkriticos7619 Жыл бұрын
For reference if you want to play a game with multiple White Wolf monsters (werewolves, mages, vampires etc) *Chronicles* of Darkness works better then World of Darkness. I'm currently in a Chronicles game with a changeling, werewolf and mage all working together and it's been extremely fun so far. The abilities and power scales better between the different games in CoD and I recommend it to anyone who wants to give that kind of game a go.
@indumatipngtuber2790 Жыл бұрын
Damn son, Animism sounds really really cool.
@davidtherwhanger6795 Жыл бұрын
It can suck as well. Because everything has a soul. EVERYTHING! You want to eat that head of lettuce? It has a soul. And might anger the god of leafy greens. You want to walk on the rocks? They have souls. You are trampling others under your boot. In the end it really depends on how far you are willing to extend the rights of non-sentient things.
@ArawnNox Жыл бұрын
Its great in Japanese inspired settings. Take Legend of the Five Rings for example. You can summon the spirit of an object in the room to ask it what it saw. But be careful, as the spirit only understands things as it relates to what the object and it's function are.
@TheRoboKitty Жыл бұрын
"We worship the dire camel because he is big and mean, and we worship the boulder because it is useful for hiding from the dire camel. If they listen it is good. If they do not listen it is not bad. How is this different from what the other races do?" --Kobold Shaman, from /tg/
@davidspring4003 Жыл бұрын
There's actually a TTRPG for Christians called Dragonsraid.
@caffeinedelusions Жыл бұрын
The thing that strikes me with Kenneth The Pure Christian is that he doesn't seem to comprehend that there's a difference between BELIEVING in something yourself, knowing that other people believe in it, or even just... like... abstractly being aware of fictional characters that are gods in the context of fictional universes. People don't BELIEVE in Exalted's rendition of the Unconquered Sun as an actual extant divinity any more than they believe Superman exists and should be worshipped.
@Seth9809 Жыл бұрын
21:50 Fun fact, there is actually a biblical adventures book for D&D 3.5 and it's actually really good. I don't know how happy it would make Christians, as you can be a Canaanite or Egyptian.
@Dreigonix Жыл бұрын
I think there’s one for 5E too, or at least a Kickstarter! Even my secular-heathen self was interested when I found it.
@nicholasfarrell5981 Жыл бұрын
Was this an official release, or third-party?
@manticorephoenix Жыл бұрын
In a genre of game where imagination is key, dude put up a “JEWS NEED NOT APPLY” sign on himself
@shadiafifi54 Жыл бұрын
Intro story (Bank Heist): I don't think I would have played with the DM after that. If he's going to be spiteful about it, then better off not playing with him. "Rules are for Nerds": ...seriously? DnD has always been one of the more crunch-heavy games in TTRPGs, and this guy isn't going to bother learning them, why is he even playing them? "Guess I'll Die": Yeah, standard murderhobo BS. The GM made it clear he tried to talk the guy before. Problem player didn't listen, so the trash took itself out. Mary Sue: Yeah, standard Storyteller's GF who got a little too free with her power fantasies and then had to face the music when her protector/BF dropped out. All you can do is either hope the ST/GM sees reason and tells her to cut it out, drops her, or get a new GM (or drop the campaign, because it will obviously never improve). Purified D&D: Yeah, can't say much beyond what Crispy said here. Kenneth can run his own games as he wants, he can't force his opinions on other people.
@phillee427 Жыл бұрын
Wow. Crispy said that D&D was not the perfect game. That's something I've never heard before and never thought I would.
@kaiserwilliams6833 Жыл бұрын
Just gotta say: The orange/teal lighting is my favorite.
@Dreigonix Жыл бұрын
I was gonna make a joke about Kenneth being in cope-land… then he went full neo-Nazi and admitted to banning Jews from his games. Wow.
@kaschey6145 Жыл бұрын
Oof, the Susan from the second story is literally the same as cheaters in multiplayer video games. A disruptive cheater no one bans because she's DM's favorite. I'm really glad they both left that game - the world and its mechanics look really cool, and it really sucks to see good games being destroyed by cheaters' toxicity and corrupted admins.
@JT5555 Жыл бұрын
i know a D&D loving german pastor (his all time fave race are orcs. as a orc lover myself,this pleases me) that would likely think that guy was stupid or at least way out of line if i were to tell him the "purified D&D" story. interesting enough,though we actually talked a bit about creating our own bible-based D&D (one that isn't lame) that factors in a sort of morality meter where some critical choices can lead to one thing or another (example: say you come upon a bandit on the side of the road that looks wounded and instead of helping him you decide to kill him and take his loot. you have the option to do it and even get away with it but that act adds a certain number of points to the bad side of your morality meter and so later on you come across a demon but instead of wanting to fight you,the demon decides that you have enough bad morality points to make a deal but doesn't tell you that if you accept the deal,you'll then be cursed with some harmful side effect such as now your body will fill as if it's covered in flame at all times and that will affect your heath if you don't routinely tend to it and this will also affect your ability to fight. all because you killed someone rather than show mercy and made a deal with a impressed but still untrustworthy demon) while taking bits and pieces from the bible and christain lore as a whole (no set timeline or anything,though. don't want it to get confusing or too restrictive). sadly,he's kind of too busy doing pastor stuff for us to really do anything with the idea but i think it would be a nice change from "everyone is a murder hobo and the bard can't keep it in his pants". oh well.
@thevoidcritter Жыл бұрын
Kenneth: "Other religions existing is disrespectful to me personally"
@Kevinblue035 Жыл бұрын
i once played with someone who gave their character this whole lengthy backstory about how they were the heir to a prestigious clan of magic-users who were of a rare species that had a natural gift for being able to more freely manipulate magical energy and produce more powerful spells and how they had gone through special training and education to be the best mage ever but after a catastrophic event that wiped out most of their species and their whole family, they went on to become... a prostitute? for some reason? their whole story is about how they're one of the best magicians of all time so you'd think they'd be a scholar or a teacher or at least a monster hunter or something, i never understood why they insisted on having their character be a prostitute..... (they also never once actually used magic during the 3 of 4 sessions we had together because they didn't want to learn the rules to pathfinder and never wrote down what spells they were meant to have, idk what their deal was)
@ErdriedDeirdre Жыл бұрын
He was probably running DnD for people who went to his church. That's my theory.
@FirstDarkAngel2001 Жыл бұрын
XD love the explanation of Exalted. I loved playing my Sidereal with a scythe, having the white reaper style. It took a hell of a lot of convincing from my character to the person that eventually trained her, but was well worth it. Also, Purified DnD.
@anarky1765 Жыл бұрын
Susan: I can do whatever I want because I’m boinking the head GM! Head GM: *leaves* Lieutenants: *Grinch smile*
@TigerW0lf Жыл бұрын
"RULES ARE FOR NERDS!" Says the D&D player who doesn't even know how to play 😑
@rayannasmith2336 Жыл бұрын
Feels odd to be early
@MrWD-tp7oc Жыл бұрын
Nah we're on time. Everyone else is just late lol
@adamfreeman9493 Жыл бұрын
It does, doesn’t it? XD
@KhaoticKatarin Жыл бұрын
Agreed.. usually don't see these until 2 days later
@1Ring42 Жыл бұрын
Funnily enough I was kinda the antithesis of Kenneth for a while, using ttrpgs to work through my religious trauma. One of my first long running characters turned out to be a mysotheist because he was turned into a vampire and consequently damned to hell before his home country was Christianized. It made someone jumping into the middle of the campaign with a sleazy televangelist... interesting.
@carpedm9846 Жыл бұрын
I think the opening one is kinda understandable. Its a new dm thing going "I planned for this, and I put the enemies here. I cant just MOVE the enemies, even if the players havent seen them, I put them there already!" As you mature in dming you realize that anything the players havent seen firsthand is subject to change. Even 2nd hand accounts are subject to change as you can just go "oh well the npc misremembered", IF the party even recalls those accounts.
@ChickinSammich Жыл бұрын
Intro story: It's one thing to complain about not liking the rules - you can always change them if your group agrees. But it's another thing to complain about something not working when the framework ALLOWS YOU to do exactly what you are saying you want to do, and you're not using the framework. Feels like buying a manual transmission car and complaining that the car doesn't go any faster than 20-30 mph when you don't know how to shift out of first, THEN complaining that you shouldn't have to manually shift when you could have bought an automatic and then you wouldn't have had to. The framework exists for doing exactly what you want to do. Use the framework.
@smokepotion6981 Жыл бұрын
God I miss Old WOD Java Chat games. Where the game was a city, and you had all the diff games crossing over. (Man I'm old)
@iank472 Жыл бұрын
I know quite a bit about the WoD setting and I think I would take a kind of dark pleasure tearing apart that city with a bunch of other players by playing antagonistic factions. Set up a full blown Sabbat raid on the city, have an entire pack of Werewolves walk the black spiral and become black spiral dancers, organise an entire nephandi cult to wreck the Mages setups or better yet a crew of marauders outright tearing up the Consensus!
@AllyOJustice Жыл бұрын
I used to know someone exactly like Kenneth. But instead of barring non-Christians from his games he would remind any non-Christians he knew that they were going to Hell whenever he saw them.
@foxfireinferno197 Жыл бұрын
To which the correct response is to point and laugh.
@thomasallen3570 Жыл бұрын
Against the poster of the WoD Play-by-Post, Classic WoD CAN and DOES work together. The issues that arise is the fact that each 'game' has a different unique 'system' based around its lore/style. When proper prep is done and consideration is taken into account, all of the games can work very well together. The issue mostly come from the very chaotic setting that a massive Play-by-Post can become. Also, some books dont 'play well' with others; Werewolf and Vampire can get along while Mage and Hunter fits in with everything. But try and smash Orpheous into other games and the basic idea/style of play for THAT game gets over shadowed or lost. It would be use best as an NPC as opposed to a PC. It CAN work with the right group, but an open ended world story wouldnt do the dynamic justice.
@Amber-pl4yl Жыл бұрын
Huh. I wonder if Kevin would have allowed me to play an intellectually complicated advocate of Satan. lol. He'd probably either outright deny the character or try to railroad them. I had a character once that was the classic 'sign a contract with me' kind of fellow. That was a real hoot. He basically used tortured souls as pokemon.
@kojikashiin319 Жыл бұрын
I want Kenneth to read my upcoming book one day, where I have demons and a she-devil inhabiting the sky, and angels only come about as a rebellion against the established order, and create a holy subterranean sanctuary kingdom
@Kisc2305 Жыл бұрын
I’ve never been this early on a video
@TryssemTavern8 ай бұрын
Purified D&D: The Irony. The early Christian Schism happened because the heads of the early religious movement argued over the nature of the trinity. Doing a Benny Hill style escapade of excommunicating each other over it. It's heck-a fun reading about how dysfunctional they got. I also love how the guy claimed there was only one god. Then throws Jesus in as a secondary. (Though, to be frank, "Jesus" is slowly replacing the traditional Christian God. It's fascinating to witness an evolution in religious belief in real time.)
@nidohime6233 Жыл бұрын
(Second Story) I can understand why some people don´t want to read EVERY rule writen on a book because some roleplaying rulebooks can be great doorstoppers, but at least they could try to learn about their character and how to improve it. (Third story) That curse was a interesting way to remove a character from the entire game.
@Jermbot15 Жыл бұрын
I've had good luck with allowing players to change their spell casting soft stat. So, as an example, a monk that starts grabbing sorcerer levels to get a DBZ feel could just use wisdom in place of charisma. Or a sorcerer taking a monk dip as an expansion of his draconic heritage could just stunning strike and unarmored defense off charisma instead of wisdom. Cuts a bit on the MAD penalty of multi classing.
@ZedMazaus480 Жыл бұрын
PURIFY D&D!! Ugh... This poor zealous fool will find himself with a tiny or non existant friend group with that behavior. Having a strong belief in your faith isn't bad. When you belittle, shun, or say other beliefs don't exist you become the monster you claim your belief goes against. People are allowed to believe in different things as long as it doesn't harm anyone. This is a prime example of toxic belief behavior that only pushes others away just for conforming to a single person's views.
@ZedMazaus480 Жыл бұрын
EDIT: -For just not conforming to a single person's views.- I ment to say.
@soren3569 Жыл бұрын
Objection! White Wolf did NOT actually encourage crossover play between the various oWoD lines. That's why all the games had stats for the other game lines 'translated' into their own lingo at the back of the books. Rather, it was players who invariably insisted that you could have a crossover game with Vampires, Mages and Werewolves that somehow respected the themes of all three games (spoiler: no, you couldn't). In particular, Mage: the Ascension played poorly with others--Mages were absurdly game-breaking, by design, which didn't sit well with other game fans at all; Mage players who understood their rules could easily design spells meant to cure Vampirism or undo the Garou ability to change shape and connection to the spirit world. The issue wasn't 'could' a Mage do something, but 'should' they do, considering the likely consequences. Whenever White Wolf did try to publish crossover rules, it was invariably a disaster. The best approach was to say, "This is a [X] game. Anything other than an [X] is going to be played using [X] rules." So in a Vampire game, vampirism was incurable, at least by some self-styled wizard. In a Mage game, vampirism is just another thing that the Mage can affect, and the trick was whether or not the Mage in question had the skill and power to pull it off, and was willing to deal with the ramifications. Also, Paradox didn't quite work as the OP said--it was a trinary system, and the number of "Witnesses" doesn't matter, under the rules. One or one thousand, if it's vulgar magic, you get the paradox you get. Oh, and in most of the White Wolf chatrooms I played in, multiple characters were the rule, not the exception, so that part didn't surprise me. However, any crossover between sub-games usually required intense mediation between the STs of the groups involved.
@GoblinGirlLindsey Жыл бұрын
I wanna see the look on anti-rules guy’s face if someone ever asked him to learn an additional system.
@giovannimarini37309 ай бұрын
For Kenneth I say: “I will send you to erathis” Imagine this said by Steven he’s dad
@xthequietriotx Жыл бұрын
Reminds me of my own VtM horror story
@xthequietriotx Жыл бұрын
@@BlueTressym look out for an rpg horror story with the vtm tag then i suppose
@linda-0587 Жыл бұрын
The funniest thing is, by Kenniths logic, he’s actually breaking one of the 10 Commandments: “Thou shalt not have any other Gods before me, nor shall you bear worship towards any idol” Technically, “Making” God/Jesus in D&D is basically saying ‘I know God better than he knows himself’ which…is also a big no-no, since Kennith is basically saying “I am God”, at least by how the Christian bible describes that commandment, so he only has a Strawman argument 🤣
@wolf1066 Жыл бұрын
"gUEss I'Ll dIE" - I fully endorse PVP in this instance. I've had the occasional _threat_ of PVP turn up in the games I've run - generally because one player's having his character act like a real dick in game and the other players decide that their characters wouldn't put up with that shit - so I generally let it play out and, if it had escalated into actual PVP action, I wouldn't have prevented it. Generally, the offending player has been able to read the room and prudently decide to have his character back down. I don't actually recall someone going so far as to continue to be a dick to the point that the other players have had to carry out their (characters') threats.
@MEEEPMEEEPMEEEPMEEEP9 ай бұрын
the only time I accept a hard stance against heresy in a ttrpg is when it's Warhammer 40k
@JoeKerr019 Жыл бұрын
Joe Kerr here. the Kenneth name i choose for him is a reference to Kenneth Coppeland, the extremist tele evangelist
@23gameoverlord Жыл бұрын
I think the weirdest one is the last guy who is like REALLY strict on belief in 1 God in everything. The one with the lady that has triple main charact-syndrome ho-ho boi! But the one with instagator is my petpeve. I had 2 games with a person like this and it was not fun playing any game with them.
@TheStrangerintheAlps Жыл бұрын
The oWoD story is basically a thing that always happened in the old forum days.
@ZorotheGallade Жыл бұрын
Good ole godmodders, gifted with ubiquitousness (except when they "had already left" by the time actual danger arrives), able to do anything without a skill check or a moderator's approval because their character can do it, and going into huge attention grabbing fit when they weren't in the spotlight for long enough.
@procrastinatinggamer Жыл бұрын
I'll hold off on commenting on the bulk of the Kenneth story (since a quick skim of the comments has me thinking I'd just be flogging a dead horse at this point) but I do take issue with the OP's description of Exalted. Now if he was talking about Exalted 2e fair enough; that edition went anime AF. But if he meant 3e then I'd have leaned more on wuxia stories like Journey to the West or, for something more recent, Handsome Siblings (can't remember when that one was written, I'm just thinking of the TV adaptation I found on Netflix a couple years back), with parallels to ancient Greek epics and generally the whole mythology side of Overly Sarcastic Productions.
@kellebrimbor7616 Жыл бұрын
Story 2: just play pathfinder 2e. That's probably the best system to actually play cross class better
@chibinya Жыл бұрын
If he doesn't like reading rules I doubt he'll be on board with a game that's twice as dense with more math.
@kimosterhout3242 Жыл бұрын
I’m a Christian, but I have characters who worship the gods of the multiverse. Heck, I have a gnoll in our Pathfinder game who worships her ancestors. She’s a good aligned gnoll and most of her clan is either good or neutral, just thought I’d mention that because, you know, the reputation of gnolls.
@ShyBiiteVT Жыл бұрын
There is a lot to unpack with that last story. 1: I have a feeling that magic doesn't exist at all in Kenneth's games, since all Christian zealots see all magic as evil and satanic. 2: What the hell kind of family did he have that he's so zealous that he's never even heard of the concept of a pantheon?
@EmeralBookwise Жыл бұрын
Clerics and Paladins might exist, since divine magic comes from the gods... or in this case singular. Warlocks would probably exist too, but only for Satan worshiping villains.
@professorsponge1554 Жыл бұрын
I would love to probe Kenneth's mind, and honestly? Since I find theology to be fascinating I'd probably 'that guy' his campaign. Seeing how he doesn't know what pantheon or animism is, I'm suspecting his knowledge of christianity is also pretty limited to whatever is discussed at sunday school. I'd want to create a true catholic crusader and begin enacting warcrimes in the name of god after getting the pope's permission, cutting off thieves' hands and nailing them to statues of christ, just go absolute dark age on his campaign.
@josequilesmacia4978 Жыл бұрын
Yeah and if he ever complains just start quoting bible verses
@professorsponge1554 Жыл бұрын
@@josequilesmacia4978 Oh I can do better. I can tell him obscure catholic dogma, what some popes and cardinals go away with, and if he wants to take away spanish Catholicism, I can throw snake handling, I can remind him of parts of the bible that don't make sense, go to the original jewish texts (that don't line up with what's in the kings james bible) go to the non canonical texts (that were voted out of the canon based on what faithful preferred at the time), or simply remind him that he's doing the ultimate blasphemy; pretending to be god.
@spongebakesquarepansgaming Жыл бұрын
purified dnd i got to the end
@dr3dg352 Жыл бұрын
"The rules don't make sense anyway!"
@Eshtian Жыл бұрын
"The second story wanted a video game experience" What video games are you guys playing?
@Mightymajin Жыл бұрын
I'll never understand the Christians who play/want to play a TTRPG but can't understand that the games use a pretend pantheon
@lilmshalloween13 Жыл бұрын
I'm not Christian but I can actually imagine a way that a Christian dnd game could by fun but it would have to be like Narnia
@lilmshalloween13 Жыл бұрын
But that guy is probably a straight up bigot towards other religions
@ren_suzugamori1427 Жыл бұрын
A person who cannot separate reality from fantasy just shouldn't play games that *can* veer off of their delusion. Simple. We're past the days of converting past religious groups and turning their gods into Christian Saints (which I still hate to this day because it's a deception even Satan would do). There's no need to force your beliefs onto another group of people, especially a group of people with a wide variety of backgrounds where conversation fails at. Personally, he deserves a long, painful life for unintentionally continuing what the devil would want humans to do. Decieve followed up with convert.
@DrPluton Жыл бұрын
I would probably find a Christianity-themed D&D game interesting for the short term, but I enjoy that Forgotten Realms has over 30 gods for humans and more for non-humans.
@Nyrufa Жыл бұрын
Guy mocks them for caring about the rules of the game, then complains about how the rules should let him get stronger as he levels up, when they already do. Obviously, the guy has given the rule book nothing more than a cursory glance over at best.
@manticorephoenix Жыл бұрын
Bigotry is not always someone shouting the derogatory words as people have been trained only to notice, sometimes it’s just simply some calm voiced asshole gatekeeping people of a different (insert petty differences here) from their games
@warclericwill4 Жыл бұрын
Kenneth, buddy, no. I’m Christian myself but I’ve always had the logic to separate the game from reality. I mean seriously it’s an rpg, the whole point is to play something you aren’t, my current character is actually agnostic funnily enough but that’s not reflective of me, it’s just a character that I made up.
@emberfist8347 Жыл бұрын
And the biggest irony of the Satanic Panic is that Gary Gygax was Christain himself.
@warclericwill4 Жыл бұрын
@@emberfist8347 Ik it was the most ridiculous thing
@marybdrake1472 Жыл бұрын
Freaking Kenneth is a zealot.
@corsaircarl95823 ай бұрын
These Mary Sues, I don't get how they can continue to function. They want to constantly win, wouldn't that get boring for them?