Those kids fought with their arms, not their feet

Brings up that question where did the money go for ROP I've seen Larping better than ROP fights.

Tragically true

I was more tense during that kid fight than I was at any moment in RANGZ of Power.

@@michaelcarney6280 at least larpers are pashionate about what they do.

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@@benfletcher8788 🥰

*Luke

I think Aemond knows where he should start looking for it too.

Though i would've liked it more if they add these lines But u know dialogue exchanges between rhanyra and alicent and then rhanyra and daemon was terrific .

Good acting by that kid.

That's straight from Fire & Blood

It wasn't a fair exchange. An eye is a cheap price to pay for the biggest, most powerful dragon in the entire world

I noticed this since I saw Daemon in Episode 1. I said the Targaryens (Valyrians) are the elves of Westeros.

🤣

Aren't they supposed to be the elf analogue in GGRM's world? Ancient, magical race with otherworldly beauty that tames dragons? We had Dany back in GoT, lol.

​@@glipmine7109 Valyrians are modelled after the Melnibonéans from the Elric of Melniboné books.

yea...thats weird huh...

That's because entertainment is infested with absolute children, who do not recognize the difference between right and wrong, good and evil. How did that happen? A story longer than LOTR...

Cough guyladriel cough

It's all about Aegon the Fapper. Not Eyegon. Because masturbation and getting wasted in funerals with zero ambitions in life is now the safest option. 🤣

I think they saw how narcissistic Tony Stark was and ended up in the impression he was a hero FOR being narcissistic and not a fault of his character

@@TheZaketsu couldn't agree more

Don't know, I was unable to see the battle of Winterell...

@@farrex0 🤣

Important also. Not becouse of eye but future relations between kids.

I liked the battle of Winterfell and I liked S8. I think the hate for S8 of GoT is blown way out of proportion.

@@shawnwolf5961 I am actually impressed, I have finally found one person that actually liked S8.... S8 is four seasons in one. S8 destroyed almost every single character arc... For example, Jamie Lanisters whole arc about becoming honorable, just to ditch everything and go back to Cersei. And then that one line "I never cared about the people, innocent or otherwise" That goes against everything his character stood for. Jon Snow, becoming a background character that just repeats two lines over and over "She's muh queen" "I don't want it". The whole build up for the winter and the Night King, just to be killed in the most anti-climatic way. Danaerys, comitting genocide for NO reason at all. Yeah, it was building up for her becoming evil. But even the most evil of characters, had a reason for doing things. She had already won, she had absolutely no reason to commit mass murder. Drogon destroying the throne, instead of killing Jon, the one who murdered her "mother". Danearys forgetting, that anti dragon weaponry exists. On the battle of Winterfell, Tyrion suggesting and being the one to send all the vulnerable people to hide on the crypts..... When the army of the death is attacking. Even Tyrion's actor said "Isn't he supposed to be smart?" when talking about that scene. Tyrion and Varys becoming the most idiotic characters ever. When they were supposed to be geniuses. Varys, the master of subtlety... openly talking about treason to everyone and then getting killed for it. Bran the most uninteresting character ever, after he became just a plank with o personality whatsoever, becoming king. After, he previously said he had no interest of becoming a lord. Jon Snow doing absolutely nothing, when he was ALWAYS a character of action. He could never stand aside and do nothing. He always followed his own moral compass, and suddenly he just becomes furniture. Cersei doing nothing whatsoever. The whole Winterfell battle, having no stakes whatsoever. Sure two of the best characters died there, Theon and Lady Mormont. Lady Mormont's death specially, is the best moment in the entire season. But what I mean, is that everyone else had extremely obvious plot armor. Several characters where surrounded by six or more nightwalkers, and somehow they survived. Samwell Tarly specially, he got surrounded by them twice, and he left unscathed. Danearys whole army getting killed by Winterfell battle, and then having a very small army for the Kings Landing battle, and suddenly, her army is multiplied. By the end of the battle, she has a bigger army than she ever had. Jon Snow and Tyrion somehow, not seeing Danearys turning evil. A whole entire episode, after the battle of King's Landing. Where almost no dialogue is ever said, and almost nothing happens. The whole episode, we are shown just people walking. I am trying really really hard to think about cool moments. The only thing I can think of, is Lady Mormont's death. That whole scene was EPIC, no doubt about it. But I am trying really really hard to think about good things, and I can really think of it. The visuals and cinematography were amazing! Aside form the Battle of Winterfell, which was one of the worst shot episodes in any show. You could see absolutely nothing. But everything else, was AMAZING. But aside from that, I put S8 as one of the worst things I have ever seen in my life... And I very rarely hate things. My list of things I, I would have a hard time thinking of a Top ten media I hate... and without hesitation I would put GOT season 8 in that list. Like feel free to tell me why you love it, because I can't genuinely think of a good reason why anyone would, aside from visuals and music.

It’s because he’s terribly biased. He projects a lot into Rhaenyra that doesn’t exist.

Late to the convo but I agree 100%. I'm sorry that those details were missed but there is a LOT to unpack in each episode and so much is inferred. I think it is easy for certain things to get missed.

Viserys doesn't know WHERE the prince that was promised comes from, could be Aegon ii or her, Aegon i only knows that is Targaryen, so Viserys tells her the prophecy cuz she will become his heir, BEFORE the birth of his first son. Also it's important to acknowledge that Aegon thought woman could not be rulers, so he would be biased towards Aegon II more than her.

Yeah, it was not a legal matter, but a social expectation. The girls were justifiably upset he did not allow her to have first crack at bonding with her late mother's dragon, but there is no rule saying he cannot be a jerk. Besides, in his defense, the funeral means she already had days or more to bond with the dragon and chose to mourn instead. After all, everyone had to travel there for the funeral even if the death was announced the same night it happened.

I am not team green but aemond was right and bullied in this scene.they all ganged up on him and started beating him for no reason.beala and her sister were acting like spoilt brats claiming the dragon was theirs when dragons are not inheritance! Also she said vhagar was their mothers but laenas mother didnt have vhagar and yet she got vhagar so its clear it doesnt work that way.the sisters baela and laena were acting like self entitled spoilt brats who started bullying and beating aemond and tbh i expected rhaenyra sons to be better than to support their cousins when they are clearly wrong.vhagar is rightfully aemonds and it was unfair to him.but then again i havent seen this show..

@@peaceandloveusa6656 I am not team green but aemond was right and bullied in this scene.they all ganged up on him and started beating him for no reason.beala and her sister were acting like spoilt brats claiming the dragon was theirs when dragons are not inheritance! Also she said vhagar was their mothers but laenas mother didnt have vhagar and yet she got vhagar so its clear it doesnt work that way.the sisters baela and laena were acting like self entitled spoilt brats who started bullying and beating aemond and tbh i expected rhaenyra sons to be better than to support their cousins when they are clearly wrong.vhagar is rightfully aemonds and it was unfair to him.but then again i havent seen this show..

For pointing out the obvious too.

Based Daemon

Rhaenys Targaryen the only Black with a brain

If only that were true. Rhaenys unfortunately, just as with everyone else besides Rhaenyra, completely misunderstands Daemon.

Wrong. How does killing yourself to take out Aemond and Vhagar being selfish?

@@a.a677 I mean he does that years later, mayhaps he's changed as a person by that point.

We need more members and allies of House Shad on here! It was one thing with Ben gone, but with Oz and Claudia gone as well, it just makes things seem more quiet and lonely.....:(

😂

@@Jakegothicsnake I don't even know Ben! I do greatly enjoy Claudia, Oz, and Nathan!

@@Jakegothicsnake ...In what sense do you mean 'gone'? Did they simply leave or did they keel over?

Yep the show set this up in that awkward walk with Visyrus when Laena was a kid,she was asking about the black dread and brought up Vahgar

Just another detail they just jumpskipped through

@@manumainio They didn't but people did because they don't pay attention

This is the sign of a good character. He reminds me of my grandparents so much. Hating seeing the family fight but powerless to stop it

the dudes a coward who refuses to do the right thing because it might hurt his daughters feelings.

@@mrkennady Not crushing your daughter is sometimes the right thing to do.

I can't be the only one who hates his guts? He is obviously extremely biased towards Rhaenyra and her children and against his own sons. He wants obvious bastards to inherit the throne rather than his trueborn sons. He does not give a fig that his sons eye was cut out rather he is more angry with him stating an obvious truth that Viserys is willfully blind to. What kind of father is he? He is an old jerk and long beyond deserving any sympathy. This whole conflict is mainly his fault and his blatant favoritism.

@@pg1448 well look at it this way. He's not biased towards the common stigma that most westerosi have towards bastards. He values them inherently not what's in their blood. He chose his daughter because he believes in her and trusted her with knowledge of the prophecy. Those aren't bad things.

Queen Elizabeth, when she was still Princess during the war, someone mentioned something about her being the future Queen - she stated, oh no, my father is the King and I don’t want to think about him dying.

It was a call back to season 8s awful writing when they couldn’t give Jon a good reason not to be king.

@@kylevernon What is season 8? Game of thrones was cancelled at season 5. The last few seasons NEVER HAPPENED

@@kylevernon I thought GoT ended at season 4!

Man, that line really make me think about it, amazing writhing

THIS Dude this flew over most people's heads and I'm pretty annoyed no emphasis was put on it, standard Team Black favoritism

I mean what could be done about that? The dragon accepted Aemond so it’s already irreversible. And he’s the crown prince. You can’t say no to him. The trade is no punishment for the eye, no compensation for the dragon.

To paraphrase daenerys: a dragon is not property. Also if they were, vaghar belonged to aemonds grandfather before laena

@@TheKillaShow He's not the crowned prince. He's at least 4th in line.

@@TheKillaShow I would have slapped that boy off that dragon... He stole it

@@kimmmwest2722 by this logic Laena stolen from targaryen family bec it was their family riders for generations

My king, your brother has made a comment in the heat of the moment in a brothel Viserys: "may the Gods forgive you because i will not"

@@jackbelmont4389 He kinda did forgive him tho, after some time. :P

It was a grandson who put out the eye of a son, and it was done with a slash, not a stab.

Criston is such a punk

Aemond is meant to be like 14. turns out a teenager can beat up at least 4, 10 year olds.

@@Darkpara1 Most 10 year old looking 14 year old of all time

He didn't really fend them of the guards arrive an put a stop to as he is losing his eye he lost that fight also I'm pretty sure at 14 most guys could handle to some extent fighting two 10 year old girls a 10 year old boy and his 8 year old little bro At 14 you will have gone through puberty the other haven't he has better muscle mass

@@jonburley1261 but I'm pretty sure that Aemond is about 10 here, and sure the guards did arrive, but he was fending off 4 of the, that's significant

In a diplomatic sense, he stole the dragon. He basically took a nuke from Deamons family. Sure the dragon doesn’t care about the implications. But Aemond did intentionally take it when everyone was asleep and without ok from anybody. He stole it.

@@TheKillaShow it didn't belong to Daemon's family, a dragon belongs to its rider and its rider alone, thats an absolute truth in the asoiaf universe. Laena was dead and so the dragon was free to be claimed by anyone who would come to claim it. There are laws of inheritance for holdfasts, castles, and kingdoms but one thing that can absolutely never be inherited is a dragon

@Cardano Ada News that’s the fault of the human for thinking that’s the way dragon claiming works. What people don’t understand is that Aemond has a very high likelihood of getting killed in that moment, it’s not a matter of first come first serve like “oh he was faster THATS why he got it”. No, vhagar allowed aemond to claim her even though she knew Rhaena doesn’t have a dragon and knows her relationship to Laena and knows that Rhaena desperately wants a dragon. If that mattered to vhagar at all then she would have eaten aemond and waited for Rhaena to work up the courage to claim her but she didn’t, knowing all of this, vhagar still allowed aemond to claim her, so he didn’t steal anything, vhagar allowed it to happen and when it comes to dragon claiming that’s all that matters

@Cardano Ada News fair point, I’m glad we agree

I am not team green but aemond was right and bullied in this scene.they all ganged up on him and started beating him for no reason.beala and her sister were acting like spoilt brats claiming the dragon was theirs when dragons are not inheritance! Also she said vhagar was their mothers but laenas mother didnt have vhagar and yet she got vhagar so its clear it doesnt work that way.the sisters baela and laena were acting like self entitled spoilt brats who started bullying and beating aemond and tbh i expected rhaenyra sons to be better than to support their cousins when they are clearly wrong.vhagar is rightfully aemonds and it was unfair to him.but then again i havent seen this show..

He's a simple man

“I just wanted to grill for gods sake” -medieval fantasy edition

He reminds me of years ago, my Grandma at Christmas when everyone is at each others throats "Lets all just take a breath"

@@ChristmasLore But he is literally me

By law not rhae.

@@Sal3600 By law it is Rhae since the king himself decried it so. And once she marries Daemon her claim will only get stronger.

@@Sal3600 By saying that you, you are saying Viserys broke the law. There is not written law, only precedent.

Rhae making her own laws up. And forgetting to tell anyone.

Rhaenyra is the rightful heir, but her kids are not, they are bastards and because of that they have no right to the titles of their father or mother. Because of that Rhaenyra commits two crimes of high treason, first against her father and the realm, by holding information that should be disclosed to him, second against her brother and again against the realm, because her brother is her rightful heir, and later it would be against her kids with Daemon. Because she is commiting high treason and abusing her power Aegon has the right and even is morally obliged to rebel against her.

I knew he'll never kill Laenor because he told Rhaneyra that Laenor is a fine knight

I think that is also an interesting ethical parallel between the two. Alicent was horrified by the idea of having blood on her hands (even when only 2 people know that), but Rhaenyra is ok with that and only mentioned how that would affect her image and what people think of her. At least that's how I see it.

My guess is that they'll tell her that her son is alive, they need her house and her dragons and she won't give them that if she thinks they might have killed her only remaining child but would be fine with the truth since her granddaughter can now inherit the title. Likely her husband already knew but didn't tell her to get the genuine reaction out of her since it'd be rather hard to get a corpse there without being spotted by some of the guards.

I LOVE YOU FOR BRINGING THIS UP! Rhaenyras apologists are the WORST THING OF THE FANDOM

@@sergiuosan8674 Sure, horrified but she has no problem working with Larys Strong. Also she saved and keeps close an obvious murderer like Criston Cole. Joffrey did nothing wrong at that wedding...

@@Palora01 Oh she'll fight for them, because her heirs, the twin daughters now are Rhaenyra's step daughters.

I mean, is Daemon the standard of morality now? It's a fucked up disproportionate reaction against a child for one, regardless of what the precedent is.

@@alphasword5541 The laws that Damon enacted on all those criminals are laws of Westeros made by kings that are followed for the next 170 or so years so it shows clear favoritism

@@frostbite2179 Are you illiterate?

Well he was attacking them with big rock. That's a deadly weapon. Its not like he just stood there and got his eye gouged out.

@@Methodius7 Go rewatch the scene he never swung that rock at any of them until Jace pulled out his Dirk so even then it was in self-defense he threatened them with the rock to get them to stop beating him. people have died from a single fucking punch to the head I’ve seen it happen they could’ve killed him well before any weapons were pulled

I'm pretty sure the prophecy is only dependent on a Targaryen sitting the iron throne, and when you think about it, Rhaenyras kids are actually the ones who aren't legitimate targaryens. I think Rhaenyra is definitely thinking of the prophecy but idk how she rationalizes what she's doing through that perspective, because if the succession passes through Aegon, the prophecy is still fulfilled. Anyways yeah Corlys and basically every character is so well done, so many different conflicting but understandable motivations and ambitions. This show might end up being one of my favourites ever.

​@@gabraham9509 Yes, regarding the prophecy, we know how it ends (in utter nonsense) - but in the Targaryens' defense, they don't know that yet. They still think it's of vital importance they stay on the throne. I love the idea that they're convinced they are god's gifts to humanity, quite literally. There's no explicit evidence the prophecy is even real, but THEY think it is - and that's all that matters, and I think that hubris is part of what takes the family down and split apart. Also, not sure Aegon even knows it - or if Rhaenyra would trust him with that knowledge lol I'm glad you love the show - I could ramble all day about it! Loved hearing your thoughts on it :)

@@gabraham9509 it’s a secret so he can’t just go around saying to everyone and her kids are targaryans, not only are they targaryans but they have the blood of the first men just like Jon snow if anything she just accidentally creates some of the most important kids ever. Just like Jon snow the first men gene is stronger than tagryans which is why they look pale with dark hair. But yea her kids are more important IMO. Rhaegal targaryan does the same exact thing years later

@@leemiller29 I don’t think this show connects to the game of thrones show and I suspect the books will have a targaryan on the iron throne at the end, hell maybe even bran at the end isn’t actually bran but is just blood raven

The prophecy tells a Targaryen needs to be at the throne when the walkers come, not Rhaenyra or Rhaenyras children, he tells Rhaenyra because he only had her at that time, if aegon ii was the heir he would've know and the prophecy remains

It's understandable they cut it though. There is a lot of material to get through and they needed Aemond to have the taming Vhagar scene bc he has a bigger role to play in the dance. Showing Laena tame Vhagar would have been awesome, but redundant

While I do believe that they made a mistake here, technically there is a dragon larger than Vhagar that's riderless, the Cannibal who's I believe made Dragonstone his home even before the Targaryens came

technically the Cannibal is bigger, meaner, wilder and definitely MIA unless it wants to turn up for lunch.

@@chasebonifay2731 100% agreed. I was sad we didn't get to see Laena tame Vhagar but the second I saw Aemond run out towards her, I realized why we don't see it earlier. It would also make Aemond's l'il suicide run be less impactful overall

@@milanmilacic9311 But he's wild so he can't even be considered as a potential pet

No no and no, Aegon in the books was a better ruler than Rhaenyra, at least to the common ppl. Also he show more mercy towards Rhaenyras side than her, he named her son heir and let Daemons daughters live. While Rhaenyra killed both sons of him and push Helena to suicide, also Aegon on the books is probably not a rapist and mostly cheat Helena just to one person, but still never tread badly his sister. Aegon II was in a wider perspective a better ruler than Rhaenyra

That kid's going places

Absolutely loved his victorious struggle to not fall off.

Yep. U know what i just rewatching got. On s5. . And it looks amateur in front of vhagar and aemond.

Because Daenerys was just too horny she liked them horns on Drogons back that's why she never thought about saddles

I agree with all of this, especially the fact the actors played siblings so well in this scene. It really felt like two young siblings freaking out because they are about to get in serious trouble and using how well they know each other to navigate how to best get out of it. Children are often incredibly cunning when they are put in a dire situation, and that scene really put that on display.

Submission lamo 😂 the Greens get the floor wiped with them

"Not spoiling anything" then proceeds to list a potential spoiler

I'm not gonna spoil anything, BUT her death could be very emotional, yknow

Same. This is the first episode where I fully accepted the new actors. It had been a jarring transition up to this point.

Just a freaking dialogue deliveries and dialogues match with a perfect acting .

@@peaceandloveusa6656 Because it's just the 2nd episode with the real cast

@@Darkstar_Dayne Really? So much happens in this show.

Daemon kids still dont look mixed enough though. They have mix mother and white father

@@sillylittlesheepjax6009 Targaryens are very pale so they should probably be a shade lighter but they definitely look more “right” for they’re heritage then they’re boy cousins you then tell there’s not a drop of Varlyon blood in them just cause of how “white” they are I mean look at their hair

Aegon, actually.

Even more so since from what I can recall of the 'Fire and Blood' book, which admittedly I only read the once, there Rhaenyra was black haired, something inherited from her mother could feasibly pass on to her sons.

I would disagree quite severely with the assertion that Westeros is equivalent to medieval England. England and most Medieval nation actually had parliaments starting around the 13th century. Westeros is far more absolutist aka the king has the final say in all matter, both due to George R.R. Martin frankly not understanding actual historical Medieval society that well as well as lore reasons. You do need to give a fuck, what your lords say, when you got dragons that can roast all their armies, without breaking assweat. Similarly the succession of Westerosi monarchy is not set to a firm primogeniture as illustrated by the succesion line: Aegon-> his son Aenys--> Aenys´ brother Maegor usurps the throne--> Aenys´ son Jahaerys is crowned following Maegor´s murder/suicide During this we actually had female heirs a number of times, most prominently Rhaena Targaryen, who was declared heir by both Maegor and Jahaerys at different times in her life. Westerosi succession got far more in common with succession during Roman dynasties than Medieval feudal houses.

Ppl forget that Laenor saved Daemon in the battle and was defending him for fighting till the end, so they for sure at least have respect

Yeah they could have easily added the moon and added more light to the scenes. Way to dark for most of the episode.

To me it seemed everything was clear, another way to show how bad the battle of winterfel was in comparison.

It was fine on my end, I wasn't even in a dark room

In the books, Rhaenys has black hair, inherited from her Baratheon mother.

There is also Silverwings and Vermithor. Not as big as Vhagar but still pretty big

is Aemond really the most powerful military asset in the known world? Maybe on paper because of his dragon but in reality there is atleast another military asset on the black side which is just as powerful!

I’m really hoping cannibal will be in the show, he is supposed to be bigger than balerion.

@@TJ-wg3ud He will be. The showrunners said the 3 wild dragons are their favorite design.They will be introduced in s2. but he isnt supposed to be bigger then balerion. vhagar is specifically mentioned as biggest in this time. if cannibal is smaller then Vhagar then he is also smaller then Balerion.

@@blackshade1840 I remember reading lore somewhere saying that cannibal was bigger than balerion but maybe I’m getting it mixed up. Either way it’s pretty awesome to see some huge dragons.

You mean Aemond “I would totally marry my sister” Targaryen?

@@communistcomputergod6449 that Aemond he knows what duty is to one’s family

Virgin blaclcells vs Greenchads

It’s super annoying. Especially when it’s seeps into the comment section. Where they talk about the black favoritism in the show. Implying the show is biased. 😂

@@communistcomputergod6449 also he talked about mama bear mode when Alicent demanded eye for an eye but never mentioned that with Rhyn. Yeah she is worried about her claim to the throne but for me it‘s clear she protected her boys just as much! And IMO she never wanted Alicent killed. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Literally. He, Nerdrotic and Mauler trashed her for having bastards last episode, but this episode is clearly stated she tried to have Laenor's kids, but they failed. He's extremely biased against her and it seems like he willfully ignores plot points that explain her character, and provide a sympathetic context for her actions.

It was my impression as well that Rhaenyra was honsetly protecting her children as much as Alicent was for her's. I didn't like her teenage behaviour in previous episodes but after the time skip and her maturing more through age I like her a lot more. Alicent has gone out of favor with me for her wanting to cut out a childs eye, even if there is some justification for it. It's just acting out of anger at that point. She looked like a psycho in that scene, but very well acted.

My theory is that Addam of Hull is actually Laenor in disguise who came back to fight with his family

He’s just a kid who didn’t want to tell on his mom. And didn’t come up with a good lie so he said Argon. It’s not a 4D chess move. He didn’t know his brother would spill the beans he probably thought he just is better at lying. Stop acting like Aemond is this genius who thinks ten moves ahead. Just bc he hat a cool scene riding a dragon.

the issue with Rhaenyra having bastard kids is she is intentionally breaking rules. An heir who has zero regard to the rules will be a tyrant and all the lords of the Kingdom would not support that. Yes you have your birthright but you need to prove to the realm that you deserve it by following the rules, performing yoir duties to the realm in accordance with the laws. Rhaenyra hasnt done that. Worse all of her biggest decisions thus far imply she's a spoiled brat, in other words, a soon-to-be tyrant when she ascends the throne.

One of the many flaws of any show adaptation. Having to cram things together and thus changing their original meaning. In the book Aemond claimed the dragon during Laenors funeral and the girls had no involvment in it. Another one is Cole murdering a dude in front of everyone, instead of killing him in a joust. I understand why they didn't make another tournament scene, but the fact that he didn't suffer any punishment makes the court seem completely moronic.

@@theallenlim I agree with you that from the "outside," that is how it should be. The reason I don't think it should be that way "In Universe" is the concept of "the words of a contract and the spirit of a contract." The oath was sworn to her by the lords. The oath wasn't contingent on who she was sleeping with. She was chosen as the inheritor, which is an absolute in the eyes of the law. In the eyes of the law, Laenor acknowledges them as his. If Laenor Velaryon says they're his kids, then legally, they are his kids. In the eyes of the law, they aren't bastards. Alicent resents that Rhaenyra is breaking the "spirit of the law" and thinks that should disqualify her as heir. That resentment that is based on what is "Right" doesn't change the facts. It explains why she emotionally feels Rhaenyra should be stripped of the title of heir. The actual legitimate claim she has, though, is different. There was a precedent set that the male heir proceeds with the female (As with Rhaenys and Viserys). In terms of who the rightful ruler is, the question is only, "Does the rights of the firstborn son precede the rights of the anointed heir if she is a woman." I do agree that Rhaenyra is kind of a B****.

@@manumainio The killing of Joffrey was definitely badly handled in the adaptation. The choice of having Aemond take Vhagar at the funeral was in my opinion a good way to condense a lot of character development and relationships into a brief period and was rather effective (in my opinion)

Everything I say is just how I perceive it to be in the context of the world.

Rhaenyra doesn't care, she uses people for her own designs all the time without care

nah she know whole plan and doesnt care abt some random death, ppl need to understand that both sides are gray and rey is not some good hero character

I agree that both sides are gray, and I should have been more clear: I had interpreted the scene as being unambiguous until hearing/reading others’ interpretations. By no means do I think Rhaenyra is innocent, and I certainly don’t think that my interpretation is necessarily “correct.” I’m enjoying learning how and why others may have interpreted the same scenes differently.

It's also symbolic of Viserys' weakness. His disease could have been dealt with if he had been more decisive in treating it early on. But, like most problems in his life, both personal (his daughter's status, his brother's antics) and political (the stepstones, the succession), he ignores the problems and lets them fester, and only finally takes action when he is forced to, and left with few or no options. Or in the case of this burgeoning civil war, when it is already too late.

@@Sesharon Yeah, I also thought about the fact that if he only was willing to cut off sooner he might be perfectly healthy while maybe only having a stump for a hand

Except that prophecy does not say Rhenyra is the one to fulfill it. It could be any Targ as far as they know.

@@TheKillaShow it has nothing to do with being her. She is fascinated with the story her father told her that said it was their responsibility to maintain the throne so it came true. They have shown several times she is entranced by that tale. Even in this episode when she saw the knife the Queen took from the King. The one with the secret.

@@topclips1872 it’s her pride and ego that wants the throne and there’s nothing wrong with that. She doesn’t give a shit about the prophesy.

@@TheKillaShow keep telling yourself that. They showed her character 3 or 4 separate times entranced by the prophecy

@@TheKillaShow she literally tried to cite it to Criston when she refused to run away with him. It proves that she does care about it and believes this is her responsibility. The series has a very interesting take on prophecy. The prophecy itself is ultra vague, and doesnt refer to anyone in particular. But every character, desperate to believe in their own specialness, assumes it's about them. Viserys, Rhaenyra, Aegon (Egg) the Unlikely and much later Rhaegar. They all think they're the ones who have to fulfill it, and their belief, ironically, ends up destroying them in the end. It's a brilliant critique on the nature of prophecy.

Addam of Hull might be Laenor in Disguise. That would explain a lot

@@thebaron2277 it crossed my mind. but wanted to avoid spoilers for non book readers