@Vincent Valentine It's a fun ride, some of us enjoy it.

​@Vincent Valentine I mean if you think about it. It makes sense. Not to mention if it was Zacks materia. It's still cloud wielding it on the buster sword in that scene

I thought this was another version of the game

je vais tester ^^

Is the mod the new textures and everything whatever version of the game your playing looks amazing I want it!

lol

Yeah that makes sense too.

Your right! it is the reason not due anything from materia.

Yeah I don't think the materia has anything to do with it.

It's a slight enhancement. Anything to give an edge, but a fun little detail

Sephiroth: why do i hear boss music

@@Dead_Hitori Sephiroth: Why do I hear normal encounter music?

@@cs8712when you get out of a boss fight at 1hp and still need to find a save point

Why I hear chocobo music?

"Activating Combat Mode"

craps god

@@BltzZ the secret to beating sephiroth is in the golden saucer gambling and gladiator battles... makes sense

I haven't played rebirth yet......... I may wait for pc release. But it's difficult.

​@@Apollo-ComputersThe game will drive you crazy. No joke. There are fantastic parts. You have been warned.

@@Apollo-Computersbro I was doing that, I gave in and bought one this past weekend. I spent 25 hours in the last 3 days on that game so far, not counting the time I used to read the walk through lol

That guitar riff just played in my head 😂

@@nobodyspecial115 Which one?

@@ezrawyvern6795 the standard encounters in Crisis Core

real. @@nobodyspecial115

😂😂😂😂

Precisely!

This game I played when I was 14. I am 41 now. Still my number 1 of all times

I have 2 times summon equipped with nights o t round. I can multiply this with mimic granted at a slight lower damage. I'll do an omnislash and 4xtimes Ultima on ya!

Meanwhile the devs are like "we just thought that it was a good time to debut the pre-emptive strike materia, but okay." 🤙

@@SCRaetz This tbh, I highly doubt they thought of that.

And had just fought Zack at that moment.

It's pretty clear in FFVII that Sephiroth was going full bananas here as well.

@@pablotomasllodra4423 yeah I figured that boss fight was kind of a way to justify it since Zack and Sephiroth shouldn’t be that different in skill talent power etc at this point in time. Since it’s demonstrated that Genesis and Sephiroth are different in strength but not tremendously and Zack beats Genesis. He’s insane but fights Zack and beats him narrowly then gets distracted and gets stabbed by a grunt and falls into the life stream which is what really finishes him off. And then he basically comes back a god.

@@_Tizoc_ I think those subsequent titles shouldn't be given the same creedence, whether they are 'canon' or not. But, w/e, sure that's not how it works. As someone who first played the game in '98, and then several times throughout the following decade (not to mention a couple times since) ... It seems so against the point and theme to suggest that Zack would be 'close' to Sephiroth. If he stands as such in current canon, it is not due to original intent, but due to Square-Enix's greed and need to shill out spin-offs.... Like, The flashback. Clouds false memory, he was superimposing himself onto Zack. That fight before Nibelheim, and the whole way to the reactor. 'Clouds' Power level would reflect Zack's, right? An itty baby compared to Sephiroth. Strong compared to normal people, no doubt. But if it is now canon that Zack would be within punching distance of Sephiroth is absolutely ridiculous.

I think you're just struggling to understand what a SOLDIER is even in the original. Its the most elite group of warriors on the planet. Cloud was never one of them. We don't know many of them in the original work, just Zack and Sephiroth. THE only character positioned in the same space as Sephiroth in the original game is Zack. IDK though the second flashback with Zack is more robust but also miss-able maybe you never watched it. The main thing we know in the original is that Zack was strong and Cloud was weak and that Cloud through experimentation did eventually also become strong. But he had to be carted around by Zack in order to survive his ordeals (and once again by Tifa in the main timeline but I digress). Another thing we know is that Cloud was not yet strong at the time he sucker punched Sephiroth into the lifestream. One of Cloud's major character developments is his coming to terms with his dependence and inter-connectedness with other people. He's strong but a major source of his strength is relying on the strength of others. His stroic and independent cynical attitude belies a history of weakness and dependence on other people and accepting that makes him more powerful. The other thing is that Sephiroth in the original game becomes much more powerful after falling into the lifestream, the godlike version of him is a result of his death and resurrection. And that's why it takes a full team of adventurers to go up north and slay him. He was the most powerful SOLDIER but nothing compared to what comes later. It's never been an unreasonable assumption that Zack would be close to his power in a relative sense at that time in the story. @@PraxisAbraxis

based

Then to put further emphasis on his power, just after this they intend for you to get a chocobo to get past the Zolom only for you to immediately see Sephiroth kebab'd one of them. It's definitely part of his power showcase.

​​@@Game2590 actually the majority of the game you're just chasing a Numbered remnant that because of the Jenova cells he stole from Shinra HQ was able to manifest as a Sephiroth copy. This is why when Cloud confronts him in the ship he doesn't know who Cloud is and asked what his number was.

Ahh but it wasn't cloud. It was Zack until the last point. We never saw cloud attack then.

@@garwynrosser8907 Yes, correct. But it was Cloud in the flashback having the preemptive strike, Zack never had that. I said Cloud to make it easier to understand.

I don't remember ff7 was played in portrait mode. Hope you are proud of tgat butchering video 💩☠️

That mod seriously looks like shit. Those character models look atrocious in front of the original backgrounds, and the mixed pixel density is absurd. It looks 100x better at its original resolution with a CRT filter (ps1 version)

@@j_c_93 it's a free mod and not the only one for the PC version. You can choose whichever you want. That's also your opinion ❤️

Duuuudeee, mind blown. It never occurred to me that was why he had that. However, it was probably more than that since he faced down the wounded Sephiroth after. Cloud had talent, Zack saw it, and so did others. A big part of the story was him overcoming that mental block to reach his full potential.

that was fun god i love this game

Can we get a mod to change Cloud’s model to the Highwind?

Hahaha, this...😂

🤣🤣🤣

😂😂😂

Well done, sir 😂

If you played all of the games then you would know who actually killed sephiroth 🤦🏽‍♂️

Does that mean Reno won't attack Aeris?

@@5orgen51 No he has no sentiment toward Aeris he specifically don't attack Tifa cause he is in love for her.

​@@5orgen51Tseng is the Turk who likes Aerith

tseng is the guardian of the last ancient...aerith😅perhaps

U funny

I think there is validity to this. Especially considering child cloud and Tifa surviving a massive fall. The game does make it clear that Mako corrupts more often than it improves, so you'd be in a Spiderman situation, where the heroes are lucky, and almost everyone else that seeks power through science is unlucky.

This is especially true for naturally forming materia (knights of the round) and can also explain why cloud was a "failed" experiment.

​@@garwynrosser8907 Knights of The Round ain't anywhere *near* Nibelheim tho

Or, he’s got MOXY

Haha that's one I have written down to make too!

Good one.

Yep...exactly. Makes me want to go back and look at every character when they joined the party. Because Yuffie came with Throw lol.

It also makes sense of how he was able to make himself a party member. 😅

This blew my mind lmao I never thought about that

FF7 pioneered environmental storytelling and not Half-Life! 😱

This is the part I don't get and never have

@Game_and_Anime_Master how cloud lifts seph while impaled and chucks him and the sword over

@@jessensloan6692Cloud actually is physically as strong as Zack but never made it into 1st Class due to his mental health, not his physical! That’s also half the plot is showing you how unstable Cloud’s mentality is

@@ann._.skz21 he was mentally unstable throughout the game because of Hojos experiments. Not because he needed Prozac. He literally wasn't as strong or as impressive as Zack. It wouldn't even be as interesting if he were. Stop trying to force cloud lifting sephiroth while selfie sticked BY THE SELFIE STICK. Why didn't seph just let go, for example

​​@@jessensloan6692he wasn't as strong but he was physically above normal humans. He fell into a cliff as a kid and only scraped his knees, plus the sephiroth situation. Cloud didn't get into soldier because of his mental state. Also seph was arrogant af at that time, vastly mentally unstable and injured heavily by cloud so makes sense letting go wasn't his first thought. He didn't think cloud was a threat.

He used her to brake his fall.

@@EnigamiNetshinobi we literally saw them land apart from each other

@@EnigamiNetshinobi I like that image, Cloud holding Tifa like a human shield as they plunge towards the floor

Was also stabbed through the stomach and managed to lift a man far taller than himself and toss him with the sword lodged in his belly over the barrier.

@@hootle4641 i think that was just him using his inner strength to avenge the girl he has loved since childhood and has been to afraid to show her

That's not what plot armor is or how you're supposed to use the term. Jesus why are people so bad at literary concepts

@@davemccombs Cloud wasn't like Zach I don't know why he had the strength to lift sephiroth off the ground when he was in the air suspended on a sword that was in his chest. Be wrong louder.

Dude that is plot armor

Nah that was his Limit Break coming out from the emotional extreme, something that all humans canonically have on Gaia but isn't always awakened, so another gameplay thingy integrated into the narrative.

It’s not plot armor clown it’s literally the plot centering around why hojo captured cloud as a test subject

Yeah, that materia is simply that, a cool detail. I doubt it's the canonical reason, as that materia doesn't exist in Crisis Core.

@@Xeno_Solarus yeh man totally. It’s not uncommon for people to be easily taken by surprise when they are preoccupied and their attention is elsewhere.

Why would it literally not be canon? Materia is canon in universe.

Tard rage

because Cloud wasn't weak or inadequate in the end. He was phenomenal.

Adrenaline

​@@Windraesa this took place in the beginning

@@CreamerOfTheDairySquad yep.

That's a good idea I wonder how they'll go about tackling it

@@BltzZ Would be cool if we hear Caleb Pierce during the flashback in place of Cloud.

@@MariusBoss11458 Damn, that would be crazy. Only the fans would notice it haha.

They might be already building up to it. Remember that the ability you can learn on the Buster Sword is Focused Thrust, and you can bet that they’ll make even more new materia to justify the back attack.

Well, they could add a back attack sequence, where the enemy is facing the other way and caught unaware for 5 seconds, making every hit deal bonus damage.

I mean, in universe it's literally called a Limit Break.

There are lots too that I can't wait to share you guys

It's crazy!

This is not why pre-emptive materia was slotted to Zack/Cloud.

Thats after he fall to the lifestream n learn more.. Sepiroth planing to get away with jenova head.. Not to join lifestream.. But cloud fight back n toss him back in the direction he once came n accidently sent him to live stream.. N sepiroth lose the jenova head that he purposely carried with him

Well, technically, you know who would actually have it

Ok you're going too literal with the health lol. We've seen aerith die from one back attack yet being able to tank 50 hits and cast a limit break to negate all damage. Items also are not canon, which is why there is a separate "Key Items" Menu. For stuff we see referenced and used in the story. "Game logic" in the sense of how materia functions and works.

SOLDIERs have super-human strength because they're infused with Jenova cells during the process of becoming a SOLDIER. Cloud is infused with Jenova cells and Mako after the Nibelheim incident, which is why he has super-human capabilities during FFVII and not Crisis Core. It's why everyone comments on his eyes and why everyone actually believes his lie.

Hes naturally stong but not naturally on the level of soldier that took the mako infusion albeit in this case jenova cells were used but that was after the Sephiroth incident

@@dennisgoatimer1079 Cloud was on par with a 1st Class in terms of strength and capabilities. JENOVA have never fully explained how they make you better, if they even really do. From what I remember the only difference between a 1st and 2nd class is 1st class were injected with JENOVA cells. After Genises defected so did many 1st classes which I believe resulted in many 3rd and 2nd classes being given JENOVA cells to replenish the force they lost. I would also like to point out that Tifa, Red, Barret, Cid and Yuffie are all able to fight on par with regular 1st in game. We really have only been shown a handful of super human 1st which makes me think that Angela, Genises and Sephiroth are capable of doing what they can because they are genetic modifications while 1st like Zack are just more skillful. So I do not belive JENOVA cells in themselves make you stronger, they simply improve what skills the person already has

@@andrewcarlton6196 That's simply false Cloud would easily beat Barret and Tifa in a fight without game restrictions yes Tifa and Barrett and the rest are strong but without game restrictions which makes them so they wouldn't be anywhere near Cloud's level. Not all first class got Jenova cells but only first class got Jenova cells. The rest of the cast would probably make 2nd class which would be Cloud's level before the Jenova cells. The best case study for this is Zack he got the same treatment as Cloud in Nibelheim but he managed to escape unscathed from it whilst Cloud got Mako Poisoning. As Zack being already Soldier having the Mako already in him that's been mutating him leading to the experiments failure whilst Cloud was too weak both mentally and physically (the guy was stabbed with Masamune for Christ sake) that he was left vegetative for quite some time which admittedly Cloud in that state lead to Zack's death but atleast he died with honour. Zack with only Mako really pushed it to its limits Cloud eventually surpassed him as he had Mako and Jenova cells in him which yes you need skill to properly use it but still it's there. It's basically anime so there's people strong without the Mako energy like the Turks and of course Tifa (Mako could've leaked from the Mako reactor in Nibelheim) and the gang but don't underestimate the power of Mako and Jenova Cells

​@@dennisgoatimer1079Vincent

That's only after the fight with Sephiroth when he was powered up by pure jenova cells before then he was just a ordinary human going against a pure ancient admittedly one who already had to battle with Zack but still

He's not a clone, that's the big twist that gets debunked later. FF7 is like Rashomon: various flashbacks and people's own versions of events contradict each other and what you see in the middle is not how it actually was.

@@KasumiRINAwrong

Have you played any 7 content?… cloud isn’t a clone lol. He got experimented on with Genova dna or whatnot. But he isn’t a clone.

@@DOC_951 I always felt that they used the word "Clone" as a reference to trying to copy Sephiroth's power trough experimentation. Not actually a full on clone from birth.

Poor phoenix down 😢 wake up galuf, Leo, aerith, tietra.

Cloud wasn't regular. He was physically gifted. He couldn't join soldier due to his mental, not that he was physically lacking.

Plot Armor

Early foreshadowing!!

Well zack did

@@kiernanthurston857 True, true.

How could it not be intentional? I mean, the materia is there. It’s not there by some random happenstance. They literally put it themselves. Someone had to code that specific materia to be equipped during the Nibelheim event. What, you think someone random coder just did it for shits and giggles and yet have it coincidentally line up with what happened in the reactor and works as the explanation for how Cloud could sneak up on the greatest Solider to ever walk the earth?😂 If so then I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona I’d like to sell you.

It's not genius level storytelling, get over yourself. It's a cool detail. That's all it is. Like Cait Sith having the manipulate materia.

​@@InTheMindOfDavid It is in no way the canonical reason. The actual reason is pretty simple. It was just a moment of weakness for Sephiroth as he was enamored by Jenova.

@@Xeno_Solarus It absolutely could be a canonical reason because Materia isn’t just a game mechanic for the players, it’s also heavily integrated into the everyday life of the world of Gia narratively. SOLDIERs actually use materia. In the Flashback a Kalm, Cloud even says “I can’t wait to try out that new Materia I got.” That right there establishes Materia as a narrative device, and then what do we see is in one of Cloud’s Materia slots? That Materia. That materia is there for a reason. Otherwise why is there? Why is it that specific materia, it could just as easily been Fire, or Cover, why not steal, or what about no materia? We don’t ever actually use it during that sequence. So it serves no purpose mechanically through gameplay so why have it there? It’s there for a narrative purpose. So that if you happen to actually look at Cloud’s equipment and see that Materia that then informs and for shadows the the outcome to scene in the Reactor. It’s the classic “show don’t tell” rule of storytelling. They’re showing us that Cloud had a specific materia equipped at that specific time allowing him to sneak up on Sephiroth. Thing are put in places for a reason, it’s not just random nonsense. That’s how storytelling works, especially visual storytelling. Which, obviously needs to be done especially during that era of game development. When it come to massive plot points in a story nothing is happenstance or doesn’t have a specific reason for being there. It’s all intentional. That moment is a PIVOTAL scene in FFVII. That scene was probably meticulously crafted due to just how important what happened in that reactor is to the whole story. They’re not gonna just put a materia there for shits and giggles and not mean for it explain how Cloud snuck up on Sephiroth. Was Sephiroth distracted swimming in his own ego and Edipus complex, yeah absolutely. But I don’t think it would prevent him from hearing cloud run up on him. He’s a Super-Soldier compared to other SOLDIERs, even among other 1st-Class SOLDIERs. He would have heard Cloud just like he had heard Zack before Cloud got there. Except Cloud had that materia equipped thus Sephiroth didn’t even know he was there. I’m not saying it’s “genius level” storytelling but it is visual storytelling and most certainly is the canonical explanation for how events went the way they did what in the Reactor. Otherwise it wouldn’t be there.

This is an old, old theory man. Still great, but it's been on the table since it came out in the 90's. If I recall correctly it was discussed amongst other theories about the game in some playstation magazines etc.

@@soggybiscotti8425 Good to know. Of course it's a small detail but this was the first I'd heard of it. It's great when games incorporate gameplay elements into the story. Espers in FF6, Materia in FF7, and Eikons in FF16.

Except he stabs him. Aerith can't be revived. Cutscenes and in game battles are different in scope

By that logic a back attack should have only dealt 6K damage to my 9999 health aerith then lol

Cloud actually has insane physical stats, comparable to 1st Class soldier at the time. He just has a weak mental will and weak confidence. He doesn't remember the details of the flashback well including his own strength or Zacks. His memories are quite jumbled. After the incident and further experimentation by Hojo his physical combat abilities are even greater. He also has basically god-tier sword skills easily adapting Zack's combat style and improving upon it just from seeing it. It isn't until Mideel lifestream incident he finally overcomes his mental weakness. He is essentially a character who is grossly overpowered but totally hampered by an incredibly severe weakness.

Lmao tried the man's whole life

Critical hit....not super effective...Pokémon faints

Yeah and a Phoenix Down should've revived Aerith.

Ok It's not that literal lol. We've seen aerith take atleast 50 hits in the game yet one attack from behind wipes her out. While she has a limit break that can negate all incoming damage. Items themselves are also not canon. That's why there is a separate "Key Items" menu.

​@@loregasmicevery time we saw Sephiroth outside of the Northern Crater it was a part of Jenova's body he was manipulating and calling to. He made them change form but it's all Jenova. Jenova is the natural and mortal enemy of the Ancients. When "Sephiroth" stabbed and killed Aerith, the sword was essentially a sharp Jenova tentacle. Jenova Cells were now inside her. She ded. She also needed to return to the Lifestream to try and purge Sephiroth who was contaminating it. Also.... characters are only knocked out in battle. The enemy then kills them when everyone is knocked out. Phoenix Down doesn't cure death. It's more like a smelling salt. Just like Phoenix is recovery, not resurrection.

@Theinen84 Actually, Phoenix down is just a feather used as an offering to the Phoenix. The higher the quality of the feather, the greater the recovery. An actual feather from a Phoenix would literally resurrect someone, the ones in most shops are typically chocobo chick down, and just help someone regain consciousness.

Lmao

Crazy right? 👀

Cloud did not unequip Zacks materia before stabbing sephiroth. Therefore it was still applicable. So it does make sense.