This Framework Changed How I Write Code
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Ай бұрынHey guys, in this video I'd like to discuss how one small frontend framework changed the way I write code and think about building products as a backend engineer.
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@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey guys, checkout my free window manager and keyboard cleaning app, we are so close to 10k active users! 😃 links.withmarko.com/one-menu
@rajanhossain9250 Ай бұрын
Being able to code without looking up, is a precious feeling. I mostly code on pure backends without any UI at all, and I go weeks without searching anything. It just feels so good.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Exactly! So underrated, but it’s an amazing feeling 👍
@chaoswithrules Ай бұрын
man I'm jealous
@rajanhossain9250 Ай бұрын
@@chaoswithrules Well, when you are constantly searching for things, that also means you are up to date with latest tech, which is an obvious disadvantage for me.
@chaoswithrules Ай бұрын
@@rajanhossain9250 I remember when was coding with C I was coding for weeks without visiting google
@plaintext7288 Ай бұрын
@@rajanhossain9250 it might also depend on what ecosystem you're in - in Js things move around and change and it takes quite some time to become familliar enough with your stack While when programming in Go or C++, the tools are all there and not much changes over time and the complexity is not hidden in the stack but in the code itself
@thetoshev Ай бұрын
Saving you 3 minutes of wondering wtf framework is he going to name: It's Mithril.js. Video is still nice though.
@yhdesai2 Ай бұрын
Thanks
@djidji233 Ай бұрын
Very valuable info! Will check it out for sure! As a backend dev, wanting to build stuff and trying to start some solopreneur part time career, I cant wait to try it out!
@9r1nc3w1ll Ай бұрын
A senior colleague introduced me to Mithril in 2018 and I loved it. I'll definitely use it again. Thanks for making this video.
@bastianbecker6036 Ай бұрын
really cool that u reached 200k keep it up 🎉
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Thank you my friend 😊
@zeeeeeeeek Ай бұрын
Awesome information! I've also had this experience when I stumbled on solid JS. No rerendering and over-engineering needed but I still have the JSX and other dx like react so it was a smooth transition.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Yes, I really like solid too, it's got a lot of potential.
@EduardoHenrique-nd1ro Ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing another amazing video, Marko! Great weekend ahead! Cheers from Brazil!
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks Eduardo!! Same for you 😃🇧🇷
@jjfleagle Ай бұрын
Love your videos Marko!
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Thank you 😊🙏
@jjfleagle Ай бұрын
@@withmarko Thank you!
@andreichenchik5994 Ай бұрын
Nice one! Also SwiftUI has nice approach in recent Observation release: view will update only if it’s accessing changed part of the state object. So it’s even optimized for free for you.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks! :) I will have to look into the latest release, it sounds quite interesting, thanks!
@xVinoz Ай бұрын
Once u have tasted SwiftUI theres no comeback to react. I still like UIKit more lol but in a few years that will change
@jugmilic2096 Ай бұрын
Hvala za video! Samo nastavi❤
@eclipse.241 Ай бұрын
Really informative. Good job ☺
@aminebensalah-bg4zi Ай бұрын
Thanks Marko for your awesome channel, what’s the name of the coffee where you did your video ?
@ago7371 Ай бұрын
Hey Marko, what laptop bag do you use?
@fearian Ай бұрын
This is how UI is handled a lot of the time in game development, makes sense to me.
@allestercorton9085 Ай бұрын
I been waiting for this.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey, thank you 😊🙏
@user-zy9kd9lv5y Ай бұрын
hello marco I would like to join the Kahoot! campaign you are working on. What do I need to do to get a job here? I will wait your answer
@ZeroUm_ Ай бұрын
Man, I've been looking at laptop videos lately and this got recommended. I was getting more and more confused, then the confusion peaked when you pulled out the laptop, and the screen showed a macOS-like UI. "What Linux DE is this?" It took me too long to figure out you weren't talking about Framework laptops. Great video still!
@9r1nc3w1ll Ай бұрын
Please how is the TS support today? Can you make a video about that. I'll really appreciate it.
@Amit-hb9ex Ай бұрын
Love your videos ❤ btw which mouse your are using?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks! 😊 This is the MX Master 3s, highly recommend 👍
@abraaocarvalho2923 Ай бұрын
Ruby on Rails is wonderful ❤
@lazarkap Ай бұрын
Mithril sounds really cool and developer friendly 👀
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Yeah it’s cool in the way it doesn’t give a 2 cents about what other frameworks do 😃
@gabrielkwong1878 Ай бұрын
Since you are building a window manager I wonder if you considred maybe a making a cross platform window manager like i3 but it can work in all platforms? I assume it would be rust, tauri and win it maybe? But I am curious if you find that interesting to tackle.
@brayloncodes Ай бұрын
New Marko upload!
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Yay, thanks for the comment 😊
@naoladugna4667 Ай бұрын
Love your video, it's been 2 weeks since you posted a video, i been waiting....
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks 🙏
@badeye22 Ай бұрын
Which frontend framework should I choose to learn now?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey if you are looking for a job, I’d recommend taking a look at react 👍
@user-uw4ki1tb9v Ай бұрын
Hey What kind of program u use bro ?
@JulianHarris Ай бұрын
I love the idea! But I hesitate because it’s still working on the outdated notion of a virtual DOM which in 2024 is redundant. It’d be amazing to see a mithrill with no virtual DOM don’t you think?
@abdulhannan8129 Ай бұрын
Hello sir. Sir I am not good at maths so can I learn and practice dsa and actually become good at it??
@BentoSushi1 Ай бұрын
Lets go its been 2 weeks!!!! Cant wait to code and watch this and definetly be super productive😁😁🤣🤣
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thank you, yes I’ve been a bit busy, but will be posting more frequently moving forward 😃
@kingsimondx-gc7oh Ай бұрын
Hi Marko Could you already have received a new laptop from your employer if you needed one, or do you have to keep the Mac for a certain period of time? And secondly, were you able to choose your laptop freely, or do you have to use this specific MacBook?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey I think the official policy is you can ask for a new one every 2 years. I was able to choose my configuration which was great 👍
@kingsimondx-gc7oh Ай бұрын
@@withmarko so that means you get a new one soon because yours is already 2 years old , right ?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Potentially yes, but I will probably wait for m4 to come out and some reviews before I decide. I honestly don’t need a new one 😁
@kingsimondx-gc7oh Ай бұрын
@@withmarko ok, thank you Marko. Have a great day😃
@knightsarai9841 Ай бұрын
Update on browser's event is how Angular works using ZoneJS
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks for the info, I didn’t know this 👍👍
@petrzurek5713 Ай бұрын
What backpack is that?
@TheSqnkov Ай бұрын
On a meta-level, yes, but for the actual production adoption, React is the stuff we are stuck with. Love aker brygge, love the videos, keep them coming.
@francescochimenti7041 Ай бұрын
Hello there! excellent video. Please provide a link to the video I viewed a few weeks ago so I may see it again. It shows the MX Master 3S setup. ty
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey not sure which video you are referring to exactly?
@francescochimenti7041 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko the video where u show the mx master 3s settings
@devopsnoob2614 Ай бұрын
I loved mithril ! though I merely code for frontend.
@randguy696 Ай бұрын
I see nowadays markojs and lit gets more popularity. and this systems gets promises better performance, smaller loading time and request counts. What s you think about for these?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey it looks very interesting today, and also a bit different from what I remember a few years ago. Never tried it, even though it has a great name :D
@uneebbhatti1388 Ай бұрын
I am not able to join your discord server it says that "Link has expired" what's the reason?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey sorry, can you try this link: discord.gg/Z6qQsSzpUe
@user-ho4bk5hu1z Ай бұрын
what mac?
@MrRajaBaja Ай бұрын
Did I miss it or wasn't the framework actually named at any point?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey sorry I did mention it, but only in one sentence. It's Mithril :)
@sherlokesh Ай бұрын
Is really a good college matters for to become coder. Like u!!!😮
@cgfit5182 Ай бұрын
What about your thoughts on HTMX?
@toothless.tarantula Ай бұрын
Interesting.
@vaibhavsharma226 Ай бұрын
Which framework are you talking about?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey it’s Mithril link in description 👍
@05jessejames Ай бұрын
How can I even think about working on my side project when Marko post?!
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey, thanks for the comment! 😃😃 what’s your side project?
@05jessejames Ай бұрын
You’re welcome 😄 It’s a cryptocurrency tracker. I have finished the front end work (for the most part), using react. I still need to create a login page, and figure out the backend part of having a profile and saving certain coins to a “watch list.” It’s my first “big” project! It’s been fun and I’ve learn a lot! Thanks for asking 🤗
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey that sounds like a proper project, very cool! Good luck, make sure to share some links when it's done! :)
@BrandonMekombo Ай бұрын
Hey Marko i need some help, I’m a 15 year old looking to become a software engineer but I’ve been doubting if I should cause of the new AI’s fast development like Devin. So I don’t know if it’s still okay to get a career in the future or not 😢
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey that's a great question! Here's how I look at it. People who are actually benefiting the most at the moment from AI are actually software engineers. All those myths that it's replacing devs is just marketing talk. One day yes it will replace engineers, but my take is that when that happens it will be so close to general intelligence, that at that point all bets are off. The whole economy will not make any sense at all. But who knows if / when that will happen. In the meantime it's very clear software engineers are actually profiting from AI.
@BrandonMekombo Ай бұрын
@@withmarko Yea thanks but you haven't answered if I should continue in this career path or not?
@ahmedAltariqi Ай бұрын
I finished the video and i still don't know what's the framework lol I mean i get the essence of your story however I'm curious!
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey sorry, I should have mentioned it more clearly. The framework is mithril.js.org
@tHe0nLyNeXuS Ай бұрын
I am curious about whether you have tried HTMX and what you think about it.
@ApurvoPal Ай бұрын
Which app u used to lock your keyboard
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey I made this app it’s free, you can get it at withmarko.com/one-menu
@ApurvoPal Ай бұрын
@@withmarko thanks definitely gonna check out
@webcoderph Ай бұрын
Woah finally 🎉 🧑🏻💻👌
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Busy days being a dad 😁
@webcoderph Ай бұрын
@@withmarko yeah, no worries. 👌
@alex1431999 Ай бұрын
I thought this was gonna be about HTMX :D
@bombardo2489 Ай бұрын
Man i never seen anyone YAAAPPP this much goddamn
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Haha, why so?
@shalunu Ай бұрын
Lollll, man clicked on a youtube vid expecting pictures, you're good Marko, this kid is just something else
@gourabsarker9552 Ай бұрын
Sir how many years of experience do you have as a software engineer? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey I have 12 years total, but 8 years professionally 👍
@Ariprw Ай бұрын
🙌🏻🔥🙌🏻
@adivhahomavhungu6301 Ай бұрын
Hi, can I use it with Django?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey yes, of course, it's just a frontend framework :)
@pmdd Ай бұрын
🎉🎉
@BrianInfoSphere Ай бұрын
i coded a whole flutter app without any googling
@abubakershamsi Ай бұрын
Guys i wanna start programming there is future? Can Ai replace programers ?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey the ai will not likely replace developers, but you should look into how to use ai to your advantage. IMHO, it’s still worth learning to code 👍
@gourabsarker9552 Ай бұрын
Sir do you earn 900k Norwegian Kroners a year as a software engineer in Norway? Plz reply. Thanks a lot.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey I don’t, closer to 800 🤓
@Fodela Ай бұрын
Great content, I'm hooked 😍. It's just that I now have Stockholm syndrome⛓💝. State management tortured me for a so long that I dedicated a lot of time getting good at it. Now it feels good❣ knowing that I can easily handle👑 what most people struggle with.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks! :) Yes state management can sometimes feel that way, totally agree! But I'm happy you were able to get great at it, and now it's a breeze. It must feel amazing :)
@JORDAN7514 Ай бұрын
Hello Marko, I hope you are well. One question, why did you delete the videos on Kahoot? They were my favorites :c
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey I had to, Kahoot changed policies on filming
@JORDAN7514 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko Oh, so bad :c
@AungBaw Ай бұрын
Let me know your thoughts on HTMX.
@user-nm2wc1tt9u Ай бұрын
name of the framework?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey sorry, should have made it more clear in the video, it's mithril.js.org
@user-nm2wc1tt9u Ай бұрын
@@withmarko will check it out thanks a lot
@nabinkawan9298 Ай бұрын
Hey Marko, loved your old videos, they were detailed and insightful. Now they are less detaild and it feels like it is fulfilling content only. Could you bring back some depth? Your videos still help me focus though! 😊
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thanks for the feedback. What would you like me to cover in the next video more specifically, I'll try to provide more in-depth info? :)
@nabinkawan9298 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko Thanks fr the reply. I really enjoy watching the way you explain the problems and solve it. If you can include coding part, it would be great.
@user-ti6zw5jf8i Ай бұрын
hi Marko, why did you delete your first videos, and also, why did you leave that company? привет марко, а зачем ты удалил свои первые видео , а ещё , почему ты ушел из той компании?
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey I had to delete them because the company policy was changed... :(
@user-ti6zw5jf8i Ай бұрын
@@withmarko This is bad(
@scarymojo5809 Ай бұрын
If you interested in some valuable information thats sightly different, I highly recommend the video titled "Be An Engineer, Not A Frameworker | Prime Reacts"
@abdullahalasad845 Ай бұрын
Waited very long 😢
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thank you 🙏 I promise to post more 😊
@1weiho Ай бұрын
@@withmarko await marko.post();
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Haha, will try to post more frequently, thanks for the nice comments guys :)
@JaegerPy Ай бұрын
Heyo Marko!
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey 😃
@JaegerPy Ай бұрын
@@withmarko you alright mate? 😀
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey doing well, thanks! :) Just busy these last few weeks, hbu? :)
@JaegerPy Ай бұрын
@@withmarko just been trying out the idea you gave me about vlogging and stuff! Also just keeping busy How's being a parent 😅
@sitrakaforler8696 Ай бұрын
I mean... I still don't like JS x) I think I will try to learn RUST HOWEVER I love the name MITHRIL ! :)
@stephenreaves3205 Ай бұрын
ngl, I thought this was going to be about framework laptops
@WildfireS1 Ай бұрын
me toooooo
@chris_kouts Ай бұрын
** Solid JS has left the chat ** 💀💀
@withmarko Ай бұрын
I like a lot of things about solid, ngl
@vorant94 Ай бұрын
I don’t think people nowadays appreciate “feature-complete” stamp as they really should be. And all of this because of SaaS mindset built by all the tech companies
@withmarko Ай бұрын
100%
@harshvachhani2748 Ай бұрын
hey Marko why you delete your office video's and " you Day in The Life of a Software Engineer " video.? i loved your video, I must have watched all the videos 20-25 times. please re-published your office word videos. thank you. lots of love.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey thank you for supporting my channel 🙏 Kahoot no longer allows those videos, so I had to remove them 😔
@beastnighttv Ай бұрын
hello markooooo
@luisdanielmesa Ай бұрын
People who use frameworks are doomed to fail.
@2rx_bni Ай бұрын
Speaking of Discord if you're in the US, which I know can't be ONLY me, please opt out of arbitration before the deadline. No Text to Speech has an instruction video. Super annoyed with them for doing this. I love discord but this may be why I cancel Nitro.
@Leonhart_93 Ай бұрын
"It accomplishes 80% of what other frameworks do with 20% of the code". Press X to doubt, as about 40% of all the frontend code ends up being the HTML layout, and I doubt a framework that doesn't use JSX can output the same HTML tags in fewer lines of code. But I know that React hooks are so needlessly verbose and tend to bloat the code a lot, which is why I am still using class components to this day.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Press X to doubt, JSX has way more characters than hyperscript for the same HTML
@Leonhart_93 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko I was not joking, I was being quite literal. JSX can express the name of a piece of HTML with just a string literal and < />. There is no logical way to get shorter than that. The functionality can be literally anything, I can do it even in plain JS, but the layout has to be its it's natural HTML form for it to not be a mess. And if I can't do JSX I will just put it in old fashion .html files. There is no way to do the complex UIs of today and being only 3 layers deep, and the last thing I want to do is do a chain of many nested function calls like I am writing Lisp or something...
@mohammadalimalik3841 Ай бұрын
Next video "I made a paper laptop"
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Haha, why? 😄
@mohammadalimalik3841 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko More people get more interested and most likely I just got a notification and before I watch the whole thing 400 people are going to comment, so I need to be first without saying 'first', and you see my comment, haha.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hahaha, it worked 😃
@mohammadalimalik3841 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko Sure did hahaha.
@GmailNexus Ай бұрын
this coffee looks 😟
@withmarko Ай бұрын
It's tea :D
@GmailNexus Ай бұрын
@@withmarko Oh well 😃
@nikichashadow Ай бұрын
marko please unban me from the server there has been a miss understanding
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey not sure what happened, what’s your username?
@nikichashadow Ай бұрын
@@withmarko nikichashadow
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Ok I’ll take a look what happened 👍
@nikichashadow Ай бұрын
@@withmarko did you figure it out
@nikichashadow Ай бұрын
@@withmarko did you unban me
@alexandrodisla6285 Ай бұрын
Marko was out for blood. LMAO (ANGULAR and REACT fanboys will respond). LOL
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Haha, just providing a different perspective :D
@conundrum2u Ай бұрын
Back in the day, we knew that RoR was like gilding a turd. If you'd worked with any kind of mature framework you knew how dogshit Ruby was. It has ALWAYS been slow compared to other more established languages and frameworks. Too many people are attached to Ruby because of nostalgia. They used it in college. Or it's all they knew. Update on event is fine for small projects, but if you've got something that's updating the data regularly, bursts of DOM updates like with event based data updates can lead to UI jank. By all means, use what you feel works best for you, but there's reasons why people ultimately settle on the same patterns over and over again. You can only skin a cat so many ways and some ways are just the most efficient.
@dev_franqqi Ай бұрын
First❤
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey yes you are 😃🔥
@ald890 Ай бұрын
React is performant enough, CSS is bottleneck most of the time. State changes are not the problem, this problem solves VDOM. But the real problem that solves React is updating UI, and updating anything else is the solution.
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey are you referring to CSS in the form of styled components and similar, or plain CSS?
@ald890 Ай бұрын
@@withmarko you can make complex application in React, with 100x unoptimised renders without CSS and it will be very smooth, then add some css with reflows and you will have problems with caluclating elements posision etc. this kind of problem you will have in any frontend framework.
@ashercohen1963 Ай бұрын
Wow, such a biased take on "anything other than the solution I found and like". Everything you said is applicable to other frameworks if you know how they work. Plus, 90% of the times you wouldn't worry about renders.
@programmingloop7 Ай бұрын
5 min video and this mf doesn't get to the point
@withmarko Ай бұрын
What was the point you were expecting to hear, mf?
@inakisanchez2552 Ай бұрын
i wish someday i can code without going every 30 minutes to check something..but that's juniors life. One day will be. Marko, as always, hugs from here
@inakisanchez2552 Ай бұрын
oh and thanks for the info about mithril.. i'm tired of react
@withmarko Ай бұрын
Hey that's perfectly ok, you will find yourself googling less and less, although it's a bit harder with frameworks that change all the time :D
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