I can totally understand why this caused a lot of arguments, haha. Imagine being overweight when you get your suit, then losing weight, then replacing the extra space in your suit with stuffing so it still fits you/the character, and then being told you’re wrong for that. It can be so circumstantial, and I get really disappointed when stuff like this pops up.

Bruh, your fursona can literally be a any gender, sexuality, or species you want. I really don't see why a average-bodied person can't have a fat fursona.

I'm not a furry, but i can say something: the guy who made this drawing its totally crazy. Choosing your fursuit, in my totally out of the community view, is not so different from creating a avatar in a game. No one says that your avatar has to be exactly like your real self, so why the fursuits had to be? The position of the guy is simply stupid.

I really hate twitter, it's super toxic

me: *sees thumbnail* oh jesus, here we go

Video summary: Everybody can do whatever they want with their body image but they'll have to deal with the consequences that may turn visible in the future. Bodyshaming will never be acceptable when it comes to make people realize their actual health condition. Like it or not, Art is subjective and we should listen to other people's opinions outside our own.

"You can't be a human wearing a bear fursuit, you got to be a bear to wear a bear fursuit" ^Saying your body type must match your character, makes about as much sense as this^

Considering how much we pay for our wearable carpets, they can look however we want. I'm waiting for the fursuit smell controversy/ musky husky discrimination haha

Honestly, as a fat person, I think it's great that people want to represent body types outside of their own!! I see padding suits to have a tummy as really cute, and its nice to have other suits that have a similar body type as you!! It's like the way that people put muscle padding on their suits! it's just something to enjoy and celebrate that we all have different bodies, and can appreciate different bodies!!!

There is a lot of thin shaming and it’s just as gross as fat shaming.

honestly the padding just makes it look cute tho, like it makes plush suits so dang cute.

The whole point of cosplay and fursuits is to present a character that is not you. As long as you're not being disrespectful. Just be kind please. :)

Downsides of obesity: -Diabetes -foot amputation

The image in the thumbnail is like telling someone their suit cannot have digi legs unless the suiter themself has digi legs...

"Hey, you dress like a cartoon animal but don't pad the costume to look like a different body type, that would be just unrealistic!" Brilliant logic...

I presume this was posted to Twitter. If so, I'm not surprised

Steps to ETHICAL fursuiting: Step one: gain fifty pounds Thanks for reading my tutorial! 🥰

If only big people can have big characters then everyone with buff ripped bois better be buff ripped bois under there or imma riot lol Also what about certain fursuit styles? Some styles of fursuits have large body types completely because of certain styles or kinks. Like inflation, belly, plush suits and more. That would be cutting off people in those respective niches, of which if you are not a part of then you shouldn't dictate them because they are a mix of large, tall, slim and small people who seem to coexist already in those communities. If someone wants to be a body type or just simply like a body type that isnt wrong. It can be hard for some of us to portray a character perfectly like some others and some people can pull little tricks and tips to help them portray a character even more. That doesn't mean they're wrong for doing so. I'm underweight and I have a few characters, one of which is a heavy boi. My older brother is overweight and has a few characters, one of which is a slim boi. Neither one of us has criticized eachother for liking these characters. Honestly he and I worked pretty hard to lose and gain weight together being we are both on the extreme sides of the body spectrum. You can enjoy whatever you want as long as you aren't using it to be derogatory towards someone else.

This whole drama should've been left at "Getting fat Just to portray a Character "accuratly" isn't Worth the risk". So why wasn't it?

Ah Twitter- the hellish place where happiness goes to rot and die

Honestly, does it really matter what people do with their character?

Realism in a furry costume is a contradiction. The whole point is fantasy. I mean should your fur-suit not have a tail because you don't?

I have a skinny friend who has ...... Over weight and or extremely tall fursonas because they personally can't gain weight and wishes he was "Fat". Some people who make such characters may have the same lack of body positively for they're real body. That being said I personally have a mix of Skinny and Fat fursona's and OC's they all have story and reason behind it, this also could be the case for others. Or you know... Some people just might think it looks nice and for no other reason. 🤗 any way it is, its no reason to hate. I love your out look on this. This is honestly my first video I've seen of you, and you my fellow fur, has gained a sub. ❤️

You know, Disney Pixar basically responded to the argument with the whole “Turning Red” teaser lol, I’m not trying to be serious, no one should be shamed of what they choose to do with their body. I’m obese, ngl, and my character is f*cling fit

When you are furry artist but not actually a furry , and tne drama happens again : *Alright, I'm head out.*

"Artist causes controversy" happens a crap ton but ok let's hear it

Your fursona or sona can be what ever you want as it’s a reflection of both you irl or what you want to be like. People can also cosplay as what they want as it’s literally dressing up as a fictional character that doesn’t exist in real life, and cosplay is entirely for fun and to let your creativity shine.

Tbf almost EVERYTHING and EVERYONE causes controversy! Also when i heard Twitter, i basically died! Also, you basically roasted some people in this vid lol!

doesn't matter your body, just make sure that you're not going to die from it :)

This ain't fuckin it, chief. People can do whatever they want with their fursuits.

They say you can't dress as characters with a body type different than you, because it's inaccurate to the wearer? Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no fur suit is accurate to the human wearer...

Personally I despise that art. I am a very small skinny person. And my suit that I am working on is a chunky kaiju. So this artist is saying just because I am my body. So does that mean I can't be my character because I'm 5'2 and my character is 376 feet? It is a horrible mindset to basically shame anyone for their body whether their skinny or bigger.

What a weird and silly controversy, though I'd expect nothing less of Twitter. The whole body positivity thing has always irked me somewhat because I've noticed how prevalent it is to encourage people who are unhealthy that "they're fine the way they are." Yeah people are free to do what they want with their bodies, but people shouldn't be advertising their unhealthy lifestyles as healthy. Anyways, I think people of any body type can make their sona or OC any body type they want to. It's silly to try and gatekeep people from making certain kinds of characters.

Ahh I'm not a anthropomorphic wolf either so does that mean I can't wear a fursuit anymore? 🤔🤔.

I'm 4'11" and my Fursona is 6'10". What do you think? It would be nice if I could do stilts eventually and try to make a taller suit for myself. Even if it's not that tall, it would be cool to be taller as my Fursona.

Now I wanna actually try and find that tweet just to see how toxic it really is for myself

Side Note: THANK YOU thank you for addressing how quite a few furry creators push adult-ish content out there a lot, while I am not a younger fur, I can understand that it can be uncomfortable for young furs. I, myself am very innocent and prefer to stay that way. So, I'm very glad you are a mostly non-adult channel

while most of the time, fursonas or characters represent the wearer, but this is just simply not always the case. Sometimes fursuits are simply meant to be OCs who have totally different traits and personalities than the wearer, and that means they could be very physically different than the creator of the character. anyone can cosplay anyone.

I used to weigh somewhere around 300, at my heaviest, I have lost over 100 hundred pounds in a matter of 5 years because at one point I started binge eating again, well moving on, I "trimmed" my fursuit, I didn't want to completley remake it, I trimmed off the excess pieces of fur, and trimmed the stuffing by ripping open the legs.

I think something people seem to forget about body times and shaming is that, sometimes the person can’t help it due to issues, medical or otherwise outside of their control. Besides the obvious things most people know about like food addiction, severe OCDs, being physically sick everytime you eat, stress levels, there’s also things like financial issues, physical disabilities, medication, the country your from, social pressures and metabolism that can really make putting on or losing weight incredibly difficult. People online seem to have the same answer to both extremes, “just eat less food and stop being lazy” or “just eat more food” but it isn’t always that simple, odds are if it was things like obesity probably wouldn’t be as common as it is. Take it from someone that’s 18 stone with a spinal injury, this stuff isn’t always easy

The one thing furry artists do that's controversial is not knowing the anatomy of certain animals before making them anthro. (Ffs, rabbits don't have pawpads and skunks don't have 4 digits (fingers/toes), they have 5.) And I can already see the "Yeah, but those animals don't stand on 2 legs either" BS coming up.

Twitter can still kiss my ass, furry or not.

As a furry myself I'm ashamed these types exist are in our Fandom(s) body, race, sexuality shaming people!

I can kinda see where the artist was coming from a bit. It is true that your physical health and the appearance of said health can be a factor and will be a factor. This isn't about pretending to be a character. I am talking about jobs, relationships, activities and medical problems. I am all for people being happy with themselves, I really am. But once those people push the Body Positivity bullshit and try to convince and control others with words and phrases that go against improving on said body, that is when I have issues. People have done that with me, calling me; cute, sexy, f***able and all other compliments when I was at my lowest and I fell for it. Not knowing how heavy and, yes, hideous I was becoming. Back in October of last year, I started my Keto diet and lost approximately 50 pounds. I have never felt better in my life and I am still going! And do you know what started it? People saying I was fine and super cute, yet couldn't securely fasten my restraints on roller coasters, leading to uncomfortable rides or in one case, break one down. Yes, if you are not secured properly, guests will be let off and the ride will close down to see what the problem was. Yes, they could have escorted me and yes, it could have been something else. But my seat wasn't secured properly, which could have been the problem. So please, if you see your friends and you fear for their health, skinny or fat, please let them know that you worry. A small diet here and there to balance out your weight isn't bad. And the people fortifying the bad side of Body Positivity need to be called out. Sorry for this stupid post, but I wanted to get this off my chest. Remember, the more extreme on both spectrums you are, it will affect you in your everyday life. That is life. I have faced that and one day, it will catch up to you.

I remember, a year ago. My doctor told me to loose weight. And now, they're telling me to gain weight! I feel this

thin shaming is so weird: "You have a higher chance of having healthy body due to not being overweight? Fuck you."

I totally agree. Your fursona may have a body type different from yours irl. People can cosplay/suit whatever they want. I'm 240 lbs. People can stuff their suit if they want to do so for a costume.

As an underweight person this is so annoying to see why would that artist say that . All bodies are beautiful

Yeah for most people a fursona is to have an ideal version of themselves. If someone’s ideal character is bigger then so be it visa versa

im fat but a furry his words of not insulting body types this made my heart melt I am mentally hurt I am depressed from. My parents separation when I was young like 5 years old this dented my life I managed to find joy in this fandom I am very welcomed

They're trying to say that it seems like body shaming. How has nobody gotten that yet

"If you wanna be a skeleton and die of heart failier thats also fine" Me who is underweight and keeps getting anxiety attacks thinking im gonna die from some form of heart problem but my mum wont take me to the doctors or hospital to check it out and ive gotten pretty sick recently: HAHA IM GONNA DIE... help...

I'm fat lmao. If someone feels more comfortable suiting in a suit that is made to look fat, good for them! Wear what you want! If i were to suit, I'd like to be able to wear a skinnier suit, but uhh, that's not how bodies work lmao. This isn't like skinny people buying out all the nice xl+ clothes in thrift shops to make scrap material. This is people doing commissions for paying customers that define their own materials and sizes. They're not taking anything away from fat people by buying a bigger suit than what they need to fill it out with their own body.

Did the artist make this in a serious way? Or was it made more in a jokey “I love big furs” manner?

Twitter has been causing problems since 2021. Wow

Reminds me a lot of classmates I had that once they found out that you didn't care about what they did they wound hit you with bass ball bats.

The only real argument i can see vs padding in a fursuit is that you have to be more conscious of overheating than in a less padded fursuit.

I guess we gotta cancel actors who use cosmetics to appear bigger. Oh and let’s get rid of stilts for shorter people 🚶‍♂️🦽 there shouldn’t be limits to costumes (unless you’re blackfacing or taping face to appear more Asian) you take your own spin on it- the reason why that is wrong: is self explanatory- but every race can be bigger, or be thinner. You cannot change your race.

I may be wrong- but i know there has been discourse about certain fursuit makers /refusing/ larger clients based on their size. The idea is of the community glorifying skinny people in padded up suits vs mistreating actually fat people

The fact I was about to make a chonky fursona then this pops up 😭

If they said: If you are bigger you dont need to use stuffing, you'll feel more confortable. It would have been fine, like in the lolita community, bigger lolitas dont use petticoat cus its more confortable and their body gives enough volume to the skirt. But saying one body is better than the other is just bullsh*t

“It’s not realistic” When talking about walking animal characters lol

Honestly the most shocking part about all this is that it happened _within_ the furry community. Someone doesn't need to physically be a fox to have a fox fursona, that's just ridiculous, and I don't see why this is any different! This is a very well written video, thank you for making it!

As a furry who has a heavier-set character, and wants to get a fursuit of them, my two biggest fears for doing it are 1, people like the one discussed in this video thinking I'm a bad person for wearing a padded suit and 2, people "fetishizing" the character because they are heavier-set (I'm sorry I don't know the actual word to use there), or assuming that my reasoning for making them that build is the result of a fetish. It sucks because, I really love my character and I am an avid advocate for body positivity (hence why my character is the size they are, as I try to diversify the range of body types among my characters), but as long as there are people who believe stuff like this, I'll never feel truly comfortable either fursuiting as this character, posting art of them, or even discussing them [especially on Twitter], because of the backlash or creepy comments that may come as a result.

let's be real here everything makes furries upset.

I have a corgi character who gets thiccer as he goes down the body (think of winny the pooh) Nobodys body naturally goes in that shape... Imma need the padding xD

As a chubby person myself, I do have to admit if someone has a super like, "plump" fursuit thats clearly fetishizing, makes me uncomfortable. Being it feels like my weight is being fetishized in a really weird way and idk, just, makes me mmm uncomfortable. But I won't stop people, id just kinda avoid it

as someone underweight i don’t necessarily see it as skinny-shaming, but just plain dumbassery lol

Just seeing the image my initial thought is the padding is actually dangerous. One of my suits requires padding in the belly. Its hot. And it can restrict movement. It can be dangerous for first time suiters to get a full body suit with big padding. I initially took it as form fitting suits are better than ones with large padding.

WOW! If this is a Drama, then not only i'm ashamed again to be a Fury but also, this is the biggest problem for furries?? You must have a perfect life!

I mean, I can get why someone might not like fat fursuits on skinny people, it can bring to mind images of fatsuits, which have been used to shame and mock us for decades. However, fat fursuits usually celebrate diverse bodytypes, so I am all for it.

I sent this video to some non furries and it pissed them off; oddy one of them was an doctor and he was pissed off the most.

I'm kind of hurt by some other people's comments, people need to stop saying "blah blah blah fat or normal blah blah blah blah" I'm a bit overwhieght, I don't have diabetes, I'm not fricken obese, I consider myself normal like everyone else, and even if I was I would still consider myself normal, I also don't like the term "fat", it's a shameful word and I prefer the term "big" or "chubby". Fat is used as a offensive and or mean statement

3:31 nobody “wants” to be over or underweight. Please don’t mock things that people can’t control.

The only problem I see with getting a fat fursona/fursuit without being fat in real life is the reasoning a person might have behind it. More often than not, people just want a fat fursona because they have this glorified idea of fat people in their head, which isn't always true. Other than that, I don't care. People can do what they want if it's their own character.

I'm a semi large man myself, and i say this: it's your character. IF ya want a gut, pad away! Just dont advertise it's the real deal if it isnt. But it's not my place to say ya should or shouldnt. Do you as long as it doesnt cause pain to others (mental anguish over puritanical ideals does not count)

All i have to say is: THANK. YOU. Thank you for being a sensible human being XD Also thank you. Im thick but i wanna cosplay some skinny female characters so bad but i felt i didnt look good enough to do it but now i feel more confident

Twitter is the place where you get your presidential statements from. It's hard for the place to be anything other than a cesspool of hatred.

(TW mention of ED) Teenage person here for the longest time i wanted to be really skinny like the girls on the magazine covers and in movies so i stoped eating to look like them and i was so happy when I reached my 100 pound goal which is under weight I’m 5,9 and I should have been weighing about 131-160 I’m still pretty underweight I’m 115 at the moment and still have an eating disorder but it is getting better.

I have definitely struggled a lot with body image and I think I am slowly starting to starve myself. And I remember I did starve myself before but that was by proxy from my grandmother. And now I feel overweight. I was 80 pounds then and I’m 180 pounds now. And I feel awful about it but I look at myself sometimes and think I look good, but I think maybe if I were 80 pounds less, I’d be even prettier. I am healthy but I just don’t see myself as healthy because I’m not like 100-120 pounds. So yeah, I’m a furry who is struggling with body issues this post didn’t make me feel that good. Because I don’t want to be obese

I'm considering that I should get my own fursuit just like Greeny Woof because I have a pot belly irl. The fursuit will have some exaggeration on the belly part. At least the original artist "❤️" my tweet and accepted the someone else's "fixed" version.

I feel like you should be allowed to make your own decisions in life about your own body and how you want to mold it. You should be aware of the health consequences, but it is ultimately your decisions and your life. I don't think anyone should be forced to have a fursona that is just like them, because it's a fantasy, you're roleplaying a character. If I want to have a chubby fursuit, I'm allowed to have one regardless of my own body, and regardless of body standards. It's a work of fiction, and I'm allowed to make my own artistic decisions. If it is someone's kink, that's totally fine, you're allowed to have whatever kink you want.

I have a bunch of skinny and fat OCs/fursonas. But I’m naturally skinny with a eating disorder, so this hurts on a personal level

I really appreciate cords videos, I really havent found a commentary furry creator in a long time, and he does his research man, I plan on making some art for this bean, so that'll be fun!!

as someone who has been a big person all my life and struggles to lose weight, it's kinda disappointing seeing a big suit and expecting someone to look just like you to climb out of it only for it to be stuffing but i don't get pressed about it. i think it's only an issue when it's fetishized. if someone has a suit that makes them look bigger purely because they get off on it then i think its a problem. you can have preferences for body types but as soon as you fetishize them then it's a problem

i feel you should have not said so much about body shape. cause it was sorta negative when describing ppls bodies shape . like if you wanna look like a skeleton die of heart failure?or exercise till you heart explodes? if you over weight have a heart attack? mate you might need to look at you own vocab. you could have said weather you are fat skin or buff it doesn't matter. cause im skinny and being called a skeleton because i am isn't kool. i have no choice as I'm sure many other ppl don't have As well. hyperthyroid or hypothyroid can make you skinny and the other fat.it is possible to die from either one. i know im being dumb ... this is just my opinion.

Hey can I just point out how well-drawn your character’s sprites are. Cool style, super expressive, and I like all the fur detailing you did (yes all the flooooof). It just comes together very nicely.

“Skinny shaming doesn’t exist or matter!” Well gee guess all those years of bullying for being small and scrawny are just not real!

Bruh, you said you didn't wanna talk about body stuff but then you proceed to throw shade at people who weigh under the average amount and people who have more muscle mass.

"if you wanna be super skinny and die of heart failure-" my brain: oh yeah thats what were talking about no im not gonna go to therapy

I love how in the middle of this I got an ad for Skinny Pop that goes "kiss moderation good bye" pft-

Honestly, it’s like that thing on the American version of the office, “Michael Klump”, the character Micheal in the show does at parts; it’s a mockery of people with larger build that blows things out of proportion to a point where it’s like; are you saying morbid obesity is bad, (yes it is) or straight up mocking anyone with an endomorphic body type for being unable to change the fact that they naturally have more fat on their body than you? And further playing into the danger zone of insinuating things like that people can “just lose weight”, or the like. Appropriation is a dangerous game, I’m saying, and people should be aware of the kinds of messages they insinuate in some actions, because neurotypicals of a white, scrawny disposition especially are often blissfully unaware of the gravitas of certain appropriations. TLDR; one must be aware of which way one punches, up or down, and what one may insinuate in being an upper pretending to be a down. I say this as a not white endomorph who struggled with self consciousness about my build for YEARS growing up. I merely wish not for people to act like build or privilege is just something one can just throw off or acquire at the drop of a hat. And lastly, “thin shaming” in my experience smacks of white people or straight people complaining that they’re the ones who are burdened; vicitmisation. The oppressor playing the victim. Just my experience, but know what one insinuates in one’s words, and how that can invalidate others, in the same way a neurotypical saying “eVerYoNe iS a bIT aUtiStIc” is a vile and scummy thing that invalidates the struggles of autists. TLDR; unless you’re of a certain demographic, you don’t get to make the judgement call on what others can appropriate from that demographic.

I just joined, and yep, I’m subbing to a furry channel. I found a cool one.

Its their fursuit. its the owners choice lol.

Too anyone out there who the post/image has affected, you don't have to listen to other people's opinion. Stuffing your fursuit isn't harming anyone, and if it makes you happy, go for it. And as a fat/chubby person, 30-40lbs over my recommend bmi, I feel like people take things to the extreme when things are rarely black and white. Obviously being way over weight or way under weight isn't healthy. It's kind of disgusting behavior for people to treat people differently on solely appearances alone. Too much or too little of anything is bad, but being an ahole isn't going to fix anything on a large scale. It doesn't come across as genuine concern and can even push people over the edge. Bums me out that people are dwelling on things so much, especially online, that the focus and reality of things get lost. The best you can do from my experience, is to do the things that make you happy. Design your suit anyway you want, if it's not promoting anything that can hurt anyone, it's not an issue and people can learn to mind their own business.

Skinny people are not oppressed in the same way fat people have been historically. Art and character design should not be secluded to the bounds of what your IRL self is like. Having fat-fur ‘Sonas can give feedees an outlet for exploring the social space of fat-furs and getting a glimpse at what they might see or expect once they’ve transformed their bodies the way they’ve wanted to. The dynamics of eating disorders in relation to this subject makes any sort of judgments really toxic though. People should live how they want to live and if they can’t do so due to medical ailments, metabolism issues, or eating disorders then they should receive help from benevolent and non-judgmental trained medical health professionals to do so.

What are you playing in the background? It looks fun as fuck

Thank god I don’t use Twitter But I will say I have a Fursona that’s on the heavier side and want to make a fursuit of her I’m fairly skinny (with the exception of a fairly large belly) and will probably need padding for her to look right as a suit I will say padding does require a good amount of shaping to look realistic And having a chunkier body type would be easier for making a suit like that Does that mean this tweet is good of course not It is rather inappropriate for these times And the way it’s worded certainly doesn’t help matters

I actually saw that post come across my dashboard and my first thought was "Okay? I don't get what exactly they're trying to say, but okay."

By this person logic, you have to be riped as the hulk to wear a buff fursuit and almost dead to have a long/lanky fursuit (since you have to weigh 80 pounds to be skinny enough pull off the look)