This is an 8WD Remote Control Toy! It's Epic!

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Tomley RC

Tomley RC

5 жыл бұрын

Time to drive this 8x8 Monster! This is the Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck (HEMTT) M983 from HG Models. And it's the biggest RC Military Truck i've ever seen!
8WD, twin steering front axles (cable driven), 2 speed gearbox, metal axles....and enough torque/power to pull a house!
Buy it here:
www.banggood.com/HG-P801-P802...
Sound kit:
www.banggood.com/HG-P402-P407...
Light Kit:
www.banggood.com/HG-P801-P802...
This thing was awesome, I'd say it's the best 8x8 RTR out there! wonder how this compares to a CrossRC or RC4WD 8x8?....Maybe I should buy one to find out!
There is a new HG P602 6x6 Truck coming soon. Keep a look out!

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@holkerholker7920
@holkerholker7920 5 жыл бұрын
that thing is a monster the sound kit is sooooo realistic
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
It actually sounds good on the video....it's not as good in real life, although not really bad, just not as good as it could have been 👍
@levidavis6101
@levidavis6101 5 жыл бұрын
It's such a majestic beast of a vehicle you should totally do more military model rc vechicals. :)
@TAMIYALegends
@TAMIYALegends 5 жыл бұрын
Great video big thumbs up 👍🏻 That’s one serious capable truck 🚗💨💨
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
It's pretty unstoppable I must say!
@OldSkoolGrandad
@OldSkoolGrandad 5 жыл бұрын
What a monster , beautiful truck.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
It certainly is a monster! Lots of fun!
@OldSkoolGrandad
@OldSkoolGrandad 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC chevron on the door is nice touch..for those who know.
@thatsmyrc
@thatsmyrc 5 жыл бұрын
I love both of mine they are my new fav rigs for sure.. awesome video they are a beast to be recognized 👍🏼😎🤓
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
They certainly are awesome, I nearly bought the 801 yesterday, but I need a few other bits first, so maybe in the summer! I'm hoping they release the trailers and the Radar unit!
@thatsmyrc
@thatsmyrc 5 жыл бұрын
Go too geekbuying.com $449.00 😉
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
That's where I got this one.... 👍
@philthyco1
@philthyco1 5 жыл бұрын
ThatsMyRC also has one..I think it's the same..BEAST!!!
@lael1236
@lael1236 2 жыл бұрын
Dammm Bro I love that thing!!! All of the cars from that brand are awesome
@RevolutionX
@RevolutionX 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I had to do it... ordered one!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome, hope you enjoy it as much as I have so far! It's a real beast!
@videosyoulove6803
@videosyoulove6803 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome bro
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude
@youraveragecoop5633
@youraveragecoop5633 5 жыл бұрын
That thing is freaking awesome!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
It's a lot of fun to drive! 👍
@AndyMast666
@AndyMast666 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, great trail location and the truck did well.
@ronhawks7199
@ronhawks7199 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice.....she sure will go about anywhere...very good filming...thanks
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron
@MCsCreations
@MCsCreations 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty amazing truck, dude! That's really a beast! 😮
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I'm looking forward to making a few changes and improving it, but out the box, it's very good!
@andywharam59
@andywharam59 3 жыл бұрын
I've got to have one of these, Awsome fun, Excellent quality of build & features 👌, Excellent value for what you get, this is a great boys toy for sure.:)
@rcjourney8080
@rcjourney8080 5 жыл бұрын
Nice video. Looks like I have to get one now.. I will get ready to show this beast to the world. Bet it can pull a kid on a wagon😉
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I think it could probably pull me in a Wagon...it's got so much torque! 👍
@cheapassfilmsuhg8121
@cheapassfilmsuhg8121 5 жыл бұрын
That is awesome! Nice job!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🤘
@thatsmyrc
@thatsmyrc 4 жыл бұрын
So it this coupon good for aprox what they are offering it for sale now? I’m having issues with my phone to chute this out sorry bud
@RCWithPopeye
@RCWithPopeye 5 жыл бұрын
Perfect trail for the beast.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Pritish, this would be awesome over on your running area! (I'm not sending it to you though lol)
@MarkBryanRC
@MarkBryanRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cracking video, Grommit! Nice one Phil - this one sure is a beast - very nice looking truck, and capable as you have shown. It was great fun watching you trying it out on that steep hill and clinging onto the trees, sure I would have ended up on my arse!! :D
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
haha...I was very close to falling, luckily had my wellies on with a bit of traction! Cheers for watching 😎
@Timsfpvshow
@Timsfpvshow 5 жыл бұрын
that thing was a beast getting up that muddy hill. great video bud
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Tim 😎
@kangendra3237
@kangendra3237 5 жыл бұрын
I like the sound!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
It sounds better on the video than in real life...not really bad, but room for improvement 👍
@kangendra3237
@kangendra3237 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC yeaa.. But as you say, the steering is a bit loud.. Thanks, nice video! 😊
@simoncycling6685
@simoncycling6685 5 жыл бұрын
Great truck ...
@painintherc7771
@painintherc7771 5 жыл бұрын
Man what a beast 💪 that sound box sounds good on start up and tick over only when you give it beans it hurts the ears 😂👌👍
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the start up is awesome.....just a it to cheap sounding normal running. I have an ESS One Dual sound unit, meant to be really good!
@ghosttjr2
@ghosttjr2 4 жыл бұрын
What if your ball bearings get wet?, that’s not good is it? Thanks for uploading this!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
I dry and it all off and then spray WD40 on all the metal parts. Sometimes water will get in, but that's just how it goes.
@NordicRC
@NordicRC 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing piece of machinery and electronics. Looks Massive. Good run. Tires seem to be challenging in the mud but looks so cool.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude, yeah...tyres not the best for the wet stuff...but nice and scale looking. I can see me having loadsa fun with this! 👍
@johandaliramirez2686
@johandaliramirez2686 5 жыл бұрын
Good test
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you 👍
@bromleysmakeityourselfrc2853
@bromleysmakeityourselfrc2853 5 жыл бұрын
The video speaks for itself! Awesome. 😀🥓🤤
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude, so much fun! I could have stayed there all day!
@danielm978
@danielm978 4 жыл бұрын
How are your rigs holding up? I saw another video of the truck, were a guy said it had very weak axels and broke easily? Is it something you have experiencing? Thanks im advance.
@thedumpydustman6088
@thedumpydustman6088 4 жыл бұрын
Its a beast for sure servos seem really loud though! Awesome video matey!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, very loud cable steering
@tonyromano6220
@tonyromano6220 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic-thank you.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
No problem Tony 👍
@INMGRC
@INMGRC 5 жыл бұрын
Wow very nice scale truck big thumbs up my friend XD 😁👍👍
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude, it's pretty impressive. A good investment I think 😎
@YYCRCFabricationz
@YYCRCFabricationz 5 жыл бұрын
Truck looks wicked Brother. What a sweet bit of countryside to some crawling, great job on the video, really diggin the closeup camera work.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude. It's a really nice truck! We have some really good spots round here in the UK, just gotta find them! Thanks for watching 👍
@RCVOODOO
@RCVOODOO 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice. Looks amazing. Sounds amazing. looks like your bridges is about under water
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I wanted to get it fully submerged, but need to upgrade the electronics first 👍
@WCPRCModelsCraft
@WCPRCModelsCraft 5 жыл бұрын
Amazing truck, i like it
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah...it's a beast. I will need a few items printed for it in the near future 🤘
@WCPRCModelsCraft
@WCPRCModelsCraft 5 жыл бұрын
No problem, just let me know ;)@@TomleyRC
@rafitritama
@rafitritama 5 жыл бұрын
Hey I'm here again 😂,nice videooo andddd coooolllll rc!!!!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude
@aljensen7779
@aljensen7779 5 жыл бұрын
Man, that's such a cool truck. I was waiting for this video, very curiously, to see what it could do. In fact I'd even like to have one myself, but realistically I wouldn't use it very much. So I'm glad you have one, Phil. Enjoy your upgrade & aging. (Of the rig, not you hehe)
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Al....it's a really nice rig, although carrying 10kgs to find somewhere to run it was a chore lol! If I'd known the Lipo was going to last for so long, I'd have driven it all the way haha. Looking forward to adding my own little touches. Cheers for watching 😎
@kavoovak6646
@kavoovak6646 5 жыл бұрын
Proper test! Awesome location
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, first time there...I think I'll be making some more visits for sure!
@jonm2884
@jonm2884 4 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC As a fellow "yellow belly" I recognise Hubbards hills anywhere! nice scale rig man.
@larrylooney4495
@larrylooney4495 5 жыл бұрын
Sweet frigging truck man
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Larry
@Rodeown
@Rodeown 3 жыл бұрын
Phil, I have just received the P803a with tipper and lights and sound already factory fitted, but the headlights only come on when the truck is rolling forwards, how did you get yours to be on all the time ?? and how did you disable the indicator and reverse sounds as they are Darn awful on mine.?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 3 жыл бұрын
On the control board there are 2 empty spaces, I think in the instructions it says 'fog lights'... I plugged the headlights in to there. As for the indicators, just unplug them. Not sure on the reverse though lol
@SaiKumar-wd4hj
@SaiKumar-wd4hj 4 жыл бұрын
i love all r c toys 👏👌✌️👍
@TonysRcTechboom
@TonysRcTechboom 5 жыл бұрын
Wow that is a Beast Phil 😱 that is one steep hill, it was like the hill of hamburger hill the film, think the sound kit was fine mate , the servo sounds abit high pitched but that might be because it's carrying 10 lb in weight 😱 fantastic maiden Run and a magnificent video 👍😎👍
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers Tony...it was very steep! I struggle to get my old legs up there haha. It has dual steering servos and cable linkage for steering, so pretty heavy and loud! Maybe a little grease will help. 👍
@TonysRcTechboom
@TonysRcTechboom 5 жыл бұрын
I know you will sort it out mate 👍😁👍
@joannewhilde7359
@joannewhilde7359 5 жыл бұрын
Great model! Maybe have a group meet there one day and have a hill climb special?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Hill climb special would be cool! 👍
@joannewhilde7359
@joannewhilde7359 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC keep us in the loop. I'd be up for a hill climb special. Be fun.
@antrc
@antrc 5 жыл бұрын
Haha nice one fella. Rigs like this are a very different driving experience and can climb like mofos. That muddy hill looked an all day challenge. Really good vid.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Cheers dude.... If I could have got up that hill, I'd have been there all day....it was a bit of a struggle! 😂
@fernandoordonez132
@fernandoordonez132 5 жыл бұрын
Hello. How does it fare against the Mammoth of Cross Rc US in terms of build and performance? Price wise, you can get the HG P801/802 half the price of the Mammoth.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I'd love to get a Mammoth to compare, I have no CrossRC's at the moment, but will certainly be looking at getting one or 2 this year 👍
@fernandoordonez132
@fernandoordonez132 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC Looking forward to your comparison video. Hope you get the MAN 8x8, too.
@chainwizardscw
@chainwizardscw 5 жыл бұрын
It looks quite rigid. Do you think you can swap the shocks setup in the 2 rear axles?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I think it may loosen up over time. It was brand new for this run 👍
@ShenRC
@ShenRC 5 жыл бұрын
😁😁👍 It is cool as hell!! Only think that bugs me about it is the loud noise when you turn it reminds me of the cheapo wpl fayee little trucks kind of annoying.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it has dual servos and cable steering, it's pretty loud I must say!
@BeardedRC
@BeardedRC 5 жыл бұрын
Nice that mate loved the bit by the stream. Don’t realise how steep that hill was until 7:15 looked over 45 degree. 😱💪🏼🔥
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Mate....I was not sure who was going to fall first...me or the truck! The place is called 'Hubbards Hill' in Lincolnshire.....so many nice spots, and shallow water. Certainly be going back!
@BeardedRC
@BeardedRC 5 жыл бұрын
Tomley RC Garage haha you did well mate to get footage without going ass over tit! Steady as a mountain goat by the looks of it 💪🏼🔥
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
@@BeardedRC Mountain Lion....definitely a Lion (slightly round one 😂).....probably get 10x the views if I'd gone down haha
@BeardedRC
@BeardedRC 5 жыл бұрын
Tomley RC Garage you could of faked it and rolled the footage round in editing 🤣 click bate Tomley goes tits up haha
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
haha...maybe next time.
@WCPRCModelsCraft
@WCPRCModelsCraft 5 жыл бұрын
i need to get me one of these :)
@mrproduded7642
@mrproduded7642 4 жыл бұрын
booi its 550 dollars my parents will beat me if i want that for my birthday
@Darth-Nihilus1
@Darth-Nihilus1 3 жыл бұрын
@@mrproduded7642 is it worth the money
@4cnkh4
@4cnkh4 3 жыл бұрын
How do you film so low and control the truck at the same time?
@ChaseBlackmoon
@ChaseBlackmoon 3 жыл бұрын
So the limit of this thing is a hill that's so steep you slide down it even when you're sideways on it? I can work with that.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it’s a bit of a beast
@timhutton3007
@timhutton3007 5 жыл бұрын
I got a sound system for mine from Greens models, it sounds excellent far better than the stock one.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I saw them on Greens. I have an ESS One that I want to try, that has a really nice Heavy Diesel sound you can download. 👍
@justclyde3160
@justclyde3160 4 жыл бұрын
i got one but im asking can i run on 3 s with stock electronic becouse esc i think is suporting only 2s
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, I think some people may have tried 3s and it works ok... but I have not tried
@justclyde3160
@justclyde3160 4 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC thanks
@norbertteschke7210
@norbertteschke7210 4 жыл бұрын
Super Truck Und super Video. Welches Soundmodul ist das?
@westernsharpie
@westernsharpie 5 жыл бұрын
looks good pal, be nice to see it beside the mammoth bc8, wonder how they compare. anyway nice video
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Would be good, not sure I'll ever have the Mammoth though.
@RunThatRC
@RunThatRC 5 жыл бұрын
I'm going to sell my soul for one of these😜
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Or just a Kidney 😎👍
@DrBernard989
@DrBernard989 5 жыл бұрын
Some slightly more aggressive mud tires would make it even more unstoppable offroad. Are they standard 1.9 or 2.2 inch rims?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, tyres were the limiting factor today. They are 2.2's 👍
@carlbModels
@carlbModels 4 жыл бұрын
hi mate, am waiting for mine to turn up.. a week away though. Can you tell me if the one you had, had got spools on the back axles? seems some have, some haven't. Also, how would you think it would climb with some really chunky tyres on it? cheers.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by 'Spools'? As for climbing, get the diffs locked and it will probably climb most stuff!
@carlbModels
@carlbModels 4 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC hi, apparently some come locked from the factory! hope mine does. I liked your test ground, that hill climb was excellent. Probably one of the reasons I ordered one for myself. Have a virtual pint on me.
@danielm978
@danielm978 4 жыл бұрын
How do you like your truk after recieving it?
@carlbModels
@carlbModels 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielm978 First impression is wow, and then I started noticing stuff that I needed to change. The materials quality is excellent, the drivability is good. The build quality is mixed - some stuff done up way too tight on the suspension, some stuff too loose. Simple things to put right, front springs too soft, rear springs too hard. Suspension travel is limited by this, and the bushings in the link to the tops of the diffs. Tyre foams too hard. I have altered all of these, which wasn't too difficult, and I like the truck even more. For me it is a "project" truck that was never going to be left standard. So yeah, I like it a *lot*. You could leave it standard and have a great truck, or make it your own with some modifications. I'm going to be doing a video of mine off-road soon. From what I've seen the stuff I've done will make it better than factory, for not much money.
@zerodarkthirty6662
@zerodarkthirty6662 5 жыл бұрын
nice truck but also a very nice place indeed
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, I'm glad I found the running spot, I will be doing a few more videos there for sure!
@nikkitomas7935
@nikkitomas7935 5 жыл бұрын
It's good! The tyres don't look anything special but coped well 😁
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Tyres could be better....but I think they are 'Scale'. Needs more grip!
@stephenstott5898
@stephenstott5898 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, on the full size truck the tyres are general purpose for the really sticky stuff they fit much more "knobbly" tyres, great video!!. Steve.
@levidavis6101
@levidavis6101 5 жыл бұрын
Get a dragon trailer for it!!!
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
I'm building trailer from scratch for it. 👍
@levidavis6101
@levidavis6101 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC yeesssssss do it
@jjp735i9
@jjp735i9 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, but for that price it really should be. Nice review.
@isudme
@isudme 4 жыл бұрын
is it waterproof?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
Not fully water proof. But Servo and ESC are
@lilsee4229
@lilsee4229 5 жыл бұрын
Is the diff unlocked?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but very stiff (nice amount of grease)....so it had no issues with a single wheel loosing traction 👍
@lilsee4229
@lilsee4229 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@chriscottell6854
@chriscottell6854 4 жыл бұрын
Is it waterproof?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly, although the Receiver & Light unit are not I believe
@new.handle
@new.handle 5 жыл бұрын
Looks perfect... but this is what I do not get; how is it that the same truck is $800 on BG and $400 on GB? 50% off? O.o
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Geekbuying shipping for this was around $100 and BG Free. I also did have a 20% off code for BG, which has now expired I think.
@donaldbrooks5468
@donaldbrooks5468 5 жыл бұрын
you need to give that to me and you get WPL
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
haha....I'll have a think about that deal 🤔😎👍
@camazar1
@camazar1 3 жыл бұрын
Love it!!! I notice it’s been a year since posting this video are you still happy with it? I want to buy one and get the trailer so I can Tow my RC Tank
@didactylos4diddy474
@didactylos4diddy474 5 жыл бұрын
Yep I was right. It was interesting
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
lol...was just about to reply on the unboxing with a link to this Video 👍
@didactylos4diddy474
@didactylos4diddy474 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC I saw them listed close together and thought it only fair to comment on one before the other...... and fun too :D
@howardalteisen2281
@howardalteisen2281 5 жыл бұрын
Thats cool. But theres a limit on angle for crawling bcoz of the cabin.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
It is limited, but far less than some other models, it's angled with the metal plate to allow you to push past some of the restriction... good fun all the same 👍
@kamran9195
@kamran9195 5 жыл бұрын
Better than the hg-101 😂😂😂😂😂
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Oh...just a little haha
@Darth-Nihilus1
@Darth-Nihilus1 3 жыл бұрын
I have been looking at buying one of these HEMTT’s, is it worth the cost? And I find it sad that the engine sounds like trash and not like the 8v92ta 😢 my fire department has an 8v92ta and 6v92ta and I took the mufflers off 😚 ooooooooo they sound good!!!!! And that Jake Braaaaaaaaaaah!!!! I love it
@tiziano316
@tiziano316 4 жыл бұрын
Total weight?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
About 13kg I think
@tiziano316
@tiziano316 4 жыл бұрын
@@TomleyRC wow
@q8venom
@q8venom 4 жыл бұрын
i have one. just lock the rear diffs with epoxy!
@carlbModels
@carlbModels 4 жыл бұрын
so yours came with diffs? I keep seeing adverts with spool mentioned. Hope mine are factory locked. How are you finding yours after 3 months?
@seregak5828
@seregak5828 5 жыл бұрын
Зад бы немного загрузить
@deividaszabas9609
@deividaszabas9609 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. Location mate plz. Nice video.
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
Louth, UK
@holkerholker7920
@holkerholker7920 5 жыл бұрын
sooooooo scale
@antonybonilla8620
@antonybonilla8620 5 жыл бұрын
Slap more aggressive treads and youre good to go
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, something a bit more grippy.... 🤘
@rckn-rndlwestvirginiarc4388
@rckn-rndlwestvirginiarc4388 4 жыл бұрын
Your sound unit is terrible.....all of the videos that I have watched, the sound units have a completely different engine sound then yours.....I would ask for a replacement sound box
@mhdchan
@mhdchan 4 жыл бұрын
$1300 in Ali express
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
Wow... price has gone up!
@2by_Yoter
@2by_Yoter 4 жыл бұрын
Is it waterproof?
@TomleyRC
@TomleyRC 4 жыл бұрын
No I don't think so....although didn't check
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