You mean by remaster standards.

Laziness. Why bother with hardware having such high overhead. Same reason games are less and less optimized, given they aren't visually getting better. The restrictions on older games hardware ironically made them better. It's why halo reach looked better than infinite. It wasn't until they released a raytracung patch that infinite caught up a little bit. You see it a lot, actually. Batman Markham is a good example. Technically, the game isn't as good-looking. But the tricks they used to cover shortfalls made it better.

Most likely a backroom deal with storage producers. The gaming industry is hella corrupt. I'd be surprised if it wasn't a ploy to sell more SSDs. I literally have three external SSDs because I have lots of games. Let alone the internal ones...

@@paulovinasrocha6166 it's not a remaster, it's literally just a re-release

​@@keshonhend2047Good point. I see the same thing with cell phone storage.

People keep pre-ordering or buying on day of release so why would t hey bother addressing issues and putting in effort whenever they know the majority of the playerbase will buy it anyway?

That's around the time we skewed from the Berenstein Bears tangent into the Berenstain Bears tangent. Since then, EVERYTHING being made sucks...

The ubiquity of the internet. Publishing companies can now assume that they can push a patch to fix any issues after the fact, so they put it out before it's actually finished to see if the initial sales are even worth actually putting the labor into really finishing it.

Profit. If they can maximise early profit, they will slowly drip feed improvements to the game to maintain the playbase and growth. Smart Business model, but complete dogshit for the fans

@@Mann528 Need a lawsuit over this matter, otherwise things won't change. They advertise a complete product, so not getting one should be assumed as fraud.

Well, I mean PC hackers ruin gaming.

@@theCantinafan He wants to get sniped by someone using mouse and key. Maybe cross console, pc is on its own.

@@SagaciousNihilist Agreed

It does have cross platform, but it's limited. Like xbox can play with xbox, etc. (Series x and s can play with xbox one)

​@@trentnida3420They call that, "cross generational", not cross platform.

Baldur's gate? For example?

@@donnerrob6615 even that was full of bugs at launch and has had multiple patches, the difference was that wasnt an almost 20yr old game xD

@@donnerrob6615games came out functioning and complete consistently. Now you have very few exceptions, like ballers gate.

Every 1st party Switch game besides Pokemon has had a proper launch

@@donnerrob6615baldur’s gate is an ass game, nothing about it is interesting

Dont want to be that guy, but they are? I dont have this issue on my xbox One, tho idk if that's one of the platforms you're referring to

How are yall playing it, it's not letting me yet

I did notice that

​@@irksomeaxis2259put your location to Australia

@@irksomeaxis2259 Time zones. People in the US and Canada (at the time of writing this comment) still have to wait a few more hours for the game to release. It's now release day in Europe and Australia, but not in the Americas.

They lost me years ago. 40k fills that void perfectly

I still remember when being a fan became shaky, I was twelve years old when Disney bought out Lucasfilm. Right off the rip I started making Disney princess jokes about it…. years later and I’m not laughing anymore.

Bro it’s the same for us halo veterans

But GW is terrible too 😂​@@dimadobrik4516

@@Leo.de99 I was about to say that your franchise at least isn't being dragged through diarrhea in other media than video games, then I unfortunately remembered about the series. F

That was the first thing I noticed too, that font is just painfully generic and makes it look like a indie side project, instead of a professional port

It exists. BF1 is Bombardier font and ISL Jupiter is BF2

@@wookieecookies4529bro could tell you what fitness used in your obituary

@@wookieecookies4529you just proved how lazy aspyr is

​@@Rilez616 probably they suffer from nepotism. The game does not have change invert Y option on patch 1.0.2. Also they send different versions of Tomb raider remaster's to Epic store and Steam 😂 Probably one of the easiest job, just check it before send 😂😂😂 I will never ever buy something if Aspyr doing it.

Why would you want them to change the game by adding new stuff to it?

​@@co.1157 Adding new content does not "change the game" lol, it only gives you more things to do, the core gameplay can remain the same.

​@@cntmntr3634 Yea! It doesn't change the game it just adds things to it that wasn't there before...wait

@@-NINE-THREE- It's still not "new" lol, they are 15 year old maps and heroes just brought over, if it's "new" to you because you were too much of a big dummy to look up how to experience them without getting ripped off then idk what to tell you, maybe you do deserve getting scammed huh?

If only there was some recent example of Aspyr completely botching a remaster of an old, beloved Star Wars game that we could've used as a warning...

@@sir_couglet8533 And people are surprised by Sony taking the Kotor remake from them and handing it off to some backwater indie studio in Portugal.

they did good with republic Commando

I don’t agree they suck at do ports, they have been trusted with basically all the old games ports. I think people don’t realize it’s a lot harder to port games when you don’t have the developers of it, along with old standards of how things were coded back then. Yes I think more should be done, but hopefully they will continue to release updates and fix this stuff and it’s not a one time release and leave it in its state.

@@ZaneIceMaster11the tomb raider remaster collection they just released also had no issues from my understanding so I don’t know how they fucked this up when there like a month apart in release

@@ultimatespidybawlz2198 the difference is that the game has an offline focus. There isn’t as many bugs and issues that come with linear gameplay because you can control and lock what you can do. The game is also made by different developers and the complexity of the code and other things can make it harder to work on along with the multiplayer. Most of the issues is not actual issues with core mechanics if you notice, but most with small control and most multiplayer issues which is what people were waiting for this for. People are over critical on the multiplayer aspect because it’s the reason people are buying the game even if it does have issues that need to be worked out.

This is depressing, I would’ve been happy to pay twice the current price if they had cross play, functional multiplayer. Hell that’s it. Throw in some actual upscaling (not AI) and a little bit of clone wars content I would’ve been stoked. Now idk if I’ll buy

@@Aaron-fb6mb Same here, I also wish it had cross platform play. It would have definitely made the PC version of the Classic Collection worth it in the end.

I was holding off on buying Dark Forces until a sale, but I think Nightdive legitimately deserves the money.

Why yes the people gave money to unfinished products instead of money to finished products proves no one gives a shite for some reason but I care to support games made by indie devs who wants to release a good product.

@generalcjg Why do you want cross platform? The game would be plagued with hackers and snipers using mouse and keyboard

Quit throwing money into a pit?

Last game I remember pre-ordering was Gears of War 3. It was a great purchase and I loved it. I can't remember why I decided pre-ordering was stupid, but I'm SO glad I decided early that I wouldn't do it anymore, because countless AAA games have been absolutely atrocious lately

@@Mr.Ford3350 Even the most trusted of game Devs these days cannot be trusted. CDPROJEKT RED with Cyberpunk. Capcom with the underwhelming RE3 Remake. Pre-ordering is an outright scam today.

Agreed

Only reason anyone was considering buying this collection in the first place was for the multiplayer, and PlayStation players didn’t have the original games but now do. I didn’t hesitate and bought it immediately, been playing since I was a kid and still do every once in a while on my Xbox, I never thought this game would have multilayer again and all of these complaints are justified but it’s also just whining by entitled people, the only issues I can agree with is the download size and some of the cutscenes are glitched, they definitely should have compressed the game. I’ve been playing multiplayer and story and it’s been absolutely fine, the fps stuff is weird, game was absolutely fine and I’m on a ps4 and I was playing for hours after waiting until the preorder clock unlocked. But people tend to forget that UPDATES AND PATCHES EXIST, it’s literally not even 24 hours into release for the US and people are already just whining, give it some time and just enjoy it for what it is until the devs can give it proper attention, people act like it’s the end of the world over these minuscule things and as for the price I don’t see why people even care, countless people that complain about those prices probably turn around and buy ten dollar single cosmetics in mmo games, at least for the price tag your getting two classic games with a functioning multiplayer on console with a PlayStation version that didn’t exist before for all the unfortunates that didn’t get to experience these og masterpieces.

​@@Slick-vo9hp Entitled? For buying a 45$ game that is broken on launch.

@@40proofbleach81 It’s not even broken that’s the thing, the game is perfectly fine unless the Xbox’s are just inferior or something. Played for hours and it was perfectly fine, there were glitches with the cutscenes but again patches and updates happen and that can be fixed, as for the complaining people need to grow up, you spent money on an obvious cash grab and are going to whine about it when it has some issues? You should all should be thankful it works as well as it does, it’s practically a direct port with a few changes so when people moan and whine about fps or performance then they should get an IQ test because what did you or anyone else expect for a game thats essentially the same exact product as it was from back in 2005 and 2004 besides some upscaled textures? Did you think the consoles they ran on would magically make games from 2004 and 2005 run better? That’s not how it works and the game hasn’t even been out for 24 hours and people are acting like it’s the end of the world, nothing is perfect give the devs some time to evaluate and release information and updates, as for the price tag, yeah it’s a cash grab what did you people expect? most got this for the multiplayer and most that got it for that reason didn’t look into the game so now you or anyone that whine about “performance” and the few glitches with the cutscenes feel cheated due to the fact that they willingly and consciously bought a game from 2004-2005 being released with an upscaled price that WASNT a remaster or remake but pretty much a port and then have the audacity to complain about its performance and it to have not even a lot of issues but like a few if even, i personally only ran into one glitch and that was the end cutscenes glitch. You people bamboozled yourselves is all I have to say, those of us that love star wars and that have consistently played and that love the original battlefronts since they were release, knew what we were getting and if you didn’t then that’s your own foolish mistake, this wasn’t going to be some grand remake from the ground up with new features and mechanics on a new engine, this was just a port with some upscaled textures, functioning multiplayer and the dlc from the original Xbox edition that’s it, so again you people just ripped yourselves off, don’t get mad at the devs or publishers get mad at yourself for expecting a two decade old ps2 era game to run like cod MW3 and be completely flawless. Maybe not “entitleds” the best word to use, more like people are just spoiled by modern games and ignorant when it comes to how games and technology work.

​@@Slick-vo9hpDick riding world champion 2024

I think the best way for them to have really optimised multiplayer was: 1. Crossplay, much more accessible 2. Better FPS 3. Some sort of free (Fuck in game purchases or total grinds) decal or whatever collection to keep players motivated to play 4. Idk, just more general care and promo

@@Mann528 They clearly didn't add crossplay because they can't be fucked to invest more than the absolute minimum in the game, the most bang for the least buck, why else do you think they're using evidently unoptimized AI upscaled textures? Implementing crossplay takes time and money and no game company nowadays is gonna sink resources in a game that won't make them any cash beyond the initial purchase, this game was born dead, they don't care about the multiplayer.

I really hate to say it, but I trust the fanbase to make a better thing these days than the developers. We have seem some encouraging things like with EAW that just make it a bit easier for the modding community which wasn't overall a big change, but a small one to show they care@@cntmntr3634

I’m buying it either way because I haven’t played this in over a decade since I was a PS2 player. Too many nice emotional memories associated with the game to pass this up.

And the online multiplayer doesn’t even work either. The lag is so bad on it

It 100% is. It feels better on Xbox than the originals, but not by much - certainly not enough to justify the price tag. There’s a bunch of visual bugs as well. It’s just the PC port and nothing more.

@@hazmatt3250this is depressing man idk what I expected. These companies want quick cash now rather than taking a few more weeks to iron things out and show care and passion for the product

@@Aaron-fb6mb honestly we should’ve known it was going to be half-assed given the lack of communication from Aspyr on quite literally any questions the community had about this.

Been playing new zealend servers today and the game is good. Can’t say for multiplayer as the server connection is bad for me there.

@@MysticEdge97 what console brother

Was this always an issue with the original release though?

@@StarNameKev yeah, if I am remembering correctly, all the assets used in a map would need to be compliled into the individual maps files. Map textures, vehicle and neutral team/npc models, etc would be contained in each map separately.

"without a complete rewrite of the engine" A "complete rewrite" is not necessary at all: you can literally just modify the engine to load common assets from a shared location. This is not unreasonable to expect them to do: they have the source code, they have programmers, and editing source code is a programmer's entire job.

Honestly, they could have just used the textures from the previous pc versions, or maybe not scale them to a ludicrous size without meaningful detail added. They look cleaner, sharper, but not an extra 40 gigabytes better.

nah, those were remasters, this was a re-release and they still screwed it.

@@SagaciousNihilist touché

It could've been a lot worse if they did a remaster in the same vain as The Definitive Edition of GTA Trilogy

Its mostly meant for people who want to play multiplayer or dont have any console to play the game

are the servers shared between 2004-2005 version and the classic collection ?

@@LeCoffeeMonsterno if you want to play multiplayer you need collection

@@domsantiago5444 not really true as Steam (maybe GOG but I dont know) allows the older games to play multiplayer. I've joined and played dozens of game that way

Ok. Then be happy on the pc we dont have or want

And the supported online play.

@@michaelandreipalon359 ; All of that and more is mod-able into the classic version. Lmao.

This doesn’t take into account console players

@@michaelandreipalon359 Are you dumb? There's the Battlefront Conversion pack for SWBF2 that brings over every map, mode and hero from SWBF1, and the mod scene for Star Wars Battlefront 2 is one of the richest and most active with literal hundreds of really high quality maps and custom content, you clearly have never played it though so of course you run your mouth.

i'll just mod my xbox, sure

I'm fine with that. Didn't want them to touch to much. But they need to put some love into the multiplayer.

Dont worry they touched what nobody wanted then to touch. Multiplayer is troll mode, and the controls are garbage, not to mention the forces use of inverted flying.

NEVER PRE ORDER OR BUY DAY 1

The fact that it's a 20 year old game is a double-edged razor. One thinks it should be easy to port over to modern hardware with working multiplayer and all the things, but I'm no developer. So maybe the fact that it's also 20 years old is why it's rough as sand online? 🤔

@@co.1157 well you’d think it would be common sense a 20 year old game would get only upgrades but apparently I was wrong

@@commandergree6510 Do you know what year we're currently in?

@@commandergree6510 Yeah, I mostly agree and don't mean it in a negative way. I have only the best hopes for people. However in this case I just want them to release the exact game with as little change. I don't really need any upgrades or I'd get the PC Mods.

I'd get it for free cause of those devs who'd prefer quick cash over care, oh yeah probably can just pirate it not like it's harmful but in the meantime enjoy other indie games as of now like Nightdive's Star Wars remastered game if ya care about Star Wars.

how is your default state regarding star wars games NOT alarmist???

​@JJGray21 PS5 too. Honestly might refund the servers are a joke

PC is pretty bad aswell.

​@@twizms7362 almost impossible to get a refund with ps5

@@twizms7362they fixed them

@@JJGray21the aiming is sluggish and slow.

It’s a hidden 50gb I had the same thing till it actually started downloading 🥲

"small and easy to fix" is not even close to true. You can't just do a quick patch on filesize and optimization. And there's no servers that just need a switch flicked to provide better ping. We're dealing with these problems for awhile. The filesize perhaps forever.

Locked at 30 FPS in multiplayer is small?

@@Krovos_ Only for the host, there seems to be an underlying issue there that I'm sure could have a simple solution that a patch could fix

@@bradleyc6564 "You can just do a quick patch on filesize and optimization" Completely goes against your first point.

What do you expect on a game that was made 20 years ago

@@XCentis nice bait

Same i bought it so i can play split screen coop with my friends again. I miss these times

Seems like what you came for is the original releases. Why would you get this objectively worse version without campaign cutscenes?

Same with me. Even if I was interested in online MP, my internet connection is just not good enough. I did have fun playing against bots though. My only real complaint and the only thing I'd even consider buying this remake/remaster/update/whatever, is to fix the legendarily bad bot AI in BF2. Beyond that, I don't care. The games are fine. Leave them be.

Then save your money and play the originals lmao theyre better

Just pay the $10 for the original, my guy. Don't over spend for this garbage knock off.

@@TheArbiterSux i got 501st cutscenes

Thank you for this, I'm not buying the re release and people are just hyping this up for no reason other than nostalgia. The multiplayer numbers will go down soon after launch imo.

@@sirhenrysimmerson9385 honestly they really will. Game unfortunately doesn't a system in place to keep people playing. 2017 bf2 had star cards and the ability to level up your characters which would keep people playing, this one doesn't have that. I see a lot of players the first maybe couple days then it will be dead.

@@TimKuat 2017 battlefront 2 is great imo, can play it loads and doesn't get boring. Sick of people dunking on 2017 because of its release.

@@TimKuat At a guess, it will probably fade after about a month, the same way all modern games have really. After that, almost all play will just be groups of friends mucking around

Because that what they are: Mods. This is the first time some of those features are introduced in a Official Capacity which is very important to consider for Non-PC users. Specially those who played the PS2 version (which was the worst version of the game besides the PSP's) or Only had GameCube back then (in fact, this is the first time these are getting released in a Nintendo Product) It's all about the same thing over and over when people speak about the Classic Games. PC have a Modding Community, Console's do not

Same thoughts brother

This is the first time I’ve been excited for any game in a long time lmao

That seems wild to me now lol

Or more than TF2

Me looking happily at PS2: Well old chap you still got it. :)

Turns out they already re released battlefront a few years ago. Just without all of these issues

The originals are still for sale digitaly

Just but the og then, dont be stupid

Forgot to mention that I don't play/ have no interest in playing the PC version. I grew up playing the PS2 version, I'm completely fine with paying for the ability to play Battlefront again without having to track down a working PS2 and CRTV.

Why?

​@@paulaccuardi90711. You can refund. 2. You Actually own the game not a license 3. You can resell 4. Its a fine addition to my collection

Good luck

Disable the discord overlay for the game if you're using it. Worked for me.

@PAINBRINGER tried that but for some reason it did give me sound I was playing a blind clone for a sec lol

Unfortunately from the reviews I’ve watched , you can’t do that. That would be amazing though

@@Aaron-fb6mb Damn, ya I loaded the game up and it doesn’t look like it either 😭🤷‍♀️

This video doesn't go over the specifics, but the FPS issue is random. Basically, other users could have hundreds of FPS in a lobby while someone (usually the host) could have 30 FPS or less. In other words, the game will practically run in slow motion while everyone else is running circles around you. You're vastly underestimating the issue.

Yea they normally don't do that. This wasn't a closed beta test, where unfinished builds of the game are floating around. They're playing the same game we're getting, just a few days earlier is all.

@@-NINE-THREE- Fuck

​@@666Vampirefromhell No thanks, let's just be friends lol

@@-NINE-THREE- XD

mostly for the online play

Cool story bro

Well it's mostly for PlayStation owners I think cause the PS2 version was rough. And the Dualshock 2 sucked donkey balls with it's stick drift and flimsy triggers.

And that's the thing. This Re-release is aimed mainly for the Console Crowd. Specially those who played on PS2 or only had a GameCube back then

"No mods to sift through" ????

@@KaiserMattTygore927 The Reason the PC version of the Battlefront Games from Pandemic Studios (specially BFII 2005) are remembered today is because of the Modding Community stepping in to save these games from going to obscurity and to fix so many issues with the vanilla version of BFII that were never fixed by Pandemic themselves since there was no patching back then and the game was rushed to capitalize on the Episode III craze

Look at the comments section lol, they can and will continue to get away with shit like this because gamers are idiots too blinded by nostalgia to care about how badly they're being ripped off, as long as it tickles their nostalgia, they'll buy it, quality notwithstanding.

What's going to happen is about a week from now, a bunch of KZfaq channels will voice their justified criticism and the public will immediately realize how badly they were scammed. It'll probably get buried just as quickly as Starfield was, and everyone will be busy looking forward to whatever new announcement drops. I'm personally hoping people remember it in the same way they did with the GTA "definitive" edition, but I don't think Aspyr messed it up quite that much.

@@cntmntr3634 you’re so right but it’s sad this is the situation we’re in. When are people gonna learn? I still dont understand why there isn’t some sort of quality assurance body that exists in other industries, to test the games and make sure they are up to standard before they can be sold.

Buy the original and save some $ it runs well enough and has mods for improvement

@NeSeeger i have a ps4 and no longer have my ps2

@@NeSeeger also love your pfp

Yep me too! I'm getting it fer my switch and can't wait to play it! Too bad i can't bought it on my ps5 since it's not available on my Asian ps store

@@negativemaster2117 awww mann

I was about to pre buy the game, saw the new E Ladder video, and it made me so sad.

Ya that's brutal.

😂

Because if there's 1 things console players love, it's playing against PC players 🤣

Lmao, I live in Australia sooooo

You are going to federal prison

Only time of the year we actually get something earlier in these parts@@Aaron-fb6mb

That shit still works?

@SagaciousNihilist it does for games that have different launch times. If it's a game that launches at the same time for everyone, it won't work.

Good thing I just upgrade my sd card to a TB

I wouldn’t think to much of it. I feel like it’s mostly just PC players upset it’s not 100% the same as what they already had available to them. Honestly even if there are some bugs I doubt it would really make a difference.

@@yinzer2231 ah, ok

@@yinzer2231 Why shouldn't we expect a rerelease to be better than the original games that came out 20 years ago?

@@Aryanne_v2 cause it’s a 20 year old game. Not everything is going to be exactly the same. Plus you have the originals still playable on steam. If you don’t like the new version just stop complaining and play what you have already. Ok there might be a few bugs or a few map details might be different, that doesn’t make the game unplayable. Just shut up and enjoy it.

@@yinzer2231”shut up and enjoy it “ Is crazy 😂. When did it become acceptable for companies to sell objectively broken products to consumers? You just accept that? I don’t think they’re upset that things are “different”, they’re upset that the game (especially multiplayer) is broken, and the lack of effort put into this entire thing is obvious. I’m not a PC player but I feel for them. From what I’ve heard multiplayer is working a bit better on console though

Agreed, but (not having a dig at you, but some of the other fuckers in the comments.) people need to stop hating the actual content. His points are very reasonable, and we should NOT NEED a bloody day 1 patch. That people seem to even rely on the now is pathetic and a degradation of what should be a reasonable standard of quality.

@@Mann528 thank you for clarifying, and I agree. While I don’t always agree with Eck, I see his points. It is just a little frustrating that a lot of recent videos have had titles that are vague to the point of me having no idea what the topic is to seemingly click baity

Yeah, I can def see where you are coming from. I have tried to stay away from that kind of click bait but sickness and curiosity got the best of me@@kodyw2960

Only be fixed once fans have poured 100's of 1000's into the game. And then they will slowly drop patches to keep us interested

Love yer positivity 😁

"and were all buying it no matter what anyway for the player population." Who is "we" Idiots will buy this, sensible people such as myself will save their money and invest in a game where the Dev team actually cared about the playerbase.

​@@universesixhit642 I'm sorry you're so full of hate and negativity in the comment section. I hope you find peace in this life

@@universesixhit642 I play Dayz on a daily basis bro you can’t tell me shit

@@-NINE-THREE- That isn't hate, that's facts.

@@Great_Lakes_Discus Fair.