This is Getting Frustrating for 4K Movie Collectors…

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Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard your complaints, and I agree! This has been a really frustrating trend for 4K UHD Blu-ray collectors, and it’s time to talk about it.
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@action571000 Жыл бұрын

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@alexanderfriel7160 Жыл бұрын

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@ajzeg01 Жыл бұрын

How the industry works is studios look at what titles are selling well to determine what to give the 4K treatment. Big releases like Dune and The Batman are pretty safe bets. Smaller films like X and Malignant are not as safe so the studios put out DVDs and Blu-Rays first to see how well they sell. If they sell well, they consider putting out a 4K version. Movies getting the 4K treatment after the Blu-Ray is a good thing. It means people are buying enough physical media for the studios to release smaller movies on 4K, the most niche and expensive format. This is a sign of a healthy industry. It may sting, but you can just sell your Blu-Rays and upgrade. I’ll take that over not getting 4Ks for these movies at all.

@Seriously140 Жыл бұрын

I think you are right. The bad thing here is I ONLY buy 4K unless it is something old that I doubt will ever see 4K.

@michaelreid1271 Жыл бұрын

@@Seriously140 Im a big 4k buyer as well but I have to say you're really limiting your options.There's still some great bluray releases.Also, Ive found some excellent bluray tranfers for 2 to 3 bucks while the new release 4k might be 20 to 30 bucks.But, out of 900 or so blurays, I have over 200 4ks.Im right there with you, I only want 4k too.But I would say don't forget regular blus just yet.Something like Game of thrones I only wanted see in 4k.My Friday the 13th boxset is bluray but a lot of em have 4k scans an are jus amazing. Anyway, have a good one..

@actualnotanewbie Жыл бұрын

Literally what I was going to post. This isn't an inheritly bad thing.

@michaelreid1271 Жыл бұрын

@@actualnotanewbie another thing is if you've already purchased say The Black Phone, Malignant, or X or something how much better is the 4k realistically.My tv can make those bluray discs look sick.But it aint nothin but a good thing all around especially if ya dont own it..

@beefy1916 Жыл бұрын

Given the amount of backlash and people now not buying the Blu ray is not a good thing lol

@cliffhanger639 Жыл бұрын

Even if they release the Blu-Ray first but they let everyone know that they plan to release the 4K edition would make me happy that way I at least have the option to buy or wait.

@JeffRauseo Жыл бұрын

YES! At least tell us it’s coming. Instead they wait on the news for 4 weeks after the initial release. And I’m sure they tell the boutique labels to wait to announce.

@chrisjfox8715 Жыл бұрын

Great solution for the consumer obviously but it would cut into their profits

@jeanp.5929 Жыл бұрын

If it's a new movie, there should be no doubt that a 4K release is coming.

@m.dorado6966 Жыл бұрын

If you really want a peticuliar movie in 4K then wait. It's not complicated. I don't have Ben Hur or The Abyss in my collection so I'm willing to wait it out. The biggest potential risk is the quality of the transfer.

@chrisjfox8715 Жыл бұрын

@@m.dorado6966 that ignores one of the points he made in this video

@keeponplaying Жыл бұрын

A real frustrating thing I am finding is so many 4K titles are not getting released internationally. So I end up paying almost three times what I would pay if it was released in my country just to have it imported.

@bradavon 19 күн бұрын

Do you mean 4Ks by big studios that own international rights, in which case that's not on or smaller boutique labels who don't own inrrri rights? In which case it was this day with dvd and blu-ray too.

@SirReptitious Жыл бұрын

After I stumbled across an article that showed the breakdown of physical optical media sales, I was stunned that we get as many 4K titles as we do. The vast majority of disc sales are still DVD!!! Yes, while the vast majority of people have 4K TVs by now because they are so cheap, they are buying DVDs to watch on their 4K TVs. My biggest complaint is that there are older and less popular movies that came out on DVD but have not been released on BR or 4K. And don't even get me started on TV series on disc! I have all 10 seasons of Friends on DVD, which has all the scenes from every episode added back in that had to be cut to fit in the 22m runtime of an episode. Then they release the series on BR but it's the original versions w/o the cut scenes! WTF??? At least I was lucky to run across a 1080p release of both seasons of Dead Like Me online that I downloaded. I have it on DVD, and looked for a BR release but found none. Apparently it was made for streaming only. While I'd rather have it on BR, I'm very happy to have copies of the streamed 1080p version. :-D

@TheRealMikeVan Жыл бұрын

Along with the double-edged sword you mentioned, Jeff, there can be another impact as well. When they put out a 4K version only because the 1080p blu-ray sells well, a lot of people will pass on it (whether they’re annoyed like you said, because the 4K isn’t a big enough upgrade, or they’re just unwilling to double dip on a film) but then the studio looks at that and goes “the 4K didn’t sell well, there wasn’t a market for it”. Even though they could have easily sold a lot more copies if they had just released it initially and it creates a non-reflective deflated return. Then they don’t find it justifiable to put all of the effort and money in for future releases and as a result, sales are even worse. It feels almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy of physical media doom from them.

@Theomite Жыл бұрын

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if they just tell us WHAT they're planning--Blu-ray only or Blu-ray first, then 4K TBA this/next year--it'll smooth over a lot of problems. Yes, you risk splitting the consumer base, but it also means they can manage loss by producing more/fewer units and avoid pissing off said consumers by not trying to make them double-dip. We need a schedule, even tentative, so we can budget accordingly. Hell, they can even TELL US that "We won't make a 4K if the Blu-ray doesn't sell well" and we won't get mad. We're NOT STREAMERS. WE WILL SPEND THE MONEY. But you gotta give us a fucking map so we know HOW we're gonna spend it.

@dominicarroyo6269 Жыл бұрын

That's why I always wait and honestly it's pretty easy to tell when a movie is going to be getting a physical 4k soon especially if you can get it digitally. Cause they'll release it on blu-ray and digitally you can get it on 4k which means sometime soon they'll be putting it out in 4k blu-ray.

@GoldenMean743 Жыл бұрын

Yup. The only time I buy a blu ray right away anymore is when it is a special or limited ed of a movie I really love. I'm not a die hard collector, though. I only purchase my favorite films, old and new.

@dominicarroyo6269 Жыл бұрын

@@GoldenMean743 the only ones I'd get on blu-ray is movies I know that just got a blu-ray release or don't even have a 4k HDR version digitally,which is alot of movies and not sure if majority of them will be available in 4k in the next five to ten years

@vb8428 Жыл бұрын

Didn't happen for Licorice Pizza and The Black Phone

@dominicarroyo6269 Жыл бұрын

@@vb8428 it will soon enough. It took crawl almost a whole year I believe to get a 4k blu-ray

@UnitedRedDevil13 Жыл бұрын

@@vb8428 i really don’t think any PT Anderson flicks are 4k or think he’s personally a huge fan of the format. So he might not be personally behind any 4k release of/when they drop?

@dravenlee4473 Жыл бұрын

I definitely get irked on the double dipping but I understand it from a business point of view. I think as a physical media collector, you just have to choose wisely when buying Blu-rays. My preferred format is 4K/UHD and I try to avoid buying Blu-rays unless I'm almost certain that it will never get a UHD release. Even then, I've been burned several times. I never thought something like Death Wish II would get a 4K release but here I am buying it and selling my Blu-ray copy...

@Eohtar Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with everything you said in this video. There is also another new pet peeve of mine that started recently: bring out a movie in 4K with regular HDR and then again a year or so later but now with Dolby Vision added. Looking at titles like Bram Stokers Dracula, Starship Troopers or Bridge on the River Kwai. I buy 4K to have the ultimate version of a movie, not to double dip on an already expensive format for incremental technical upgrades.

@moomcmoosson1992 Жыл бұрын

Those titles you mentioned were release several years ago, all of them in 2017 in fact. Those really aren't the best examples.

@ddc2957 Жыл бұрын

A problem for LG owners but not Samsung.

@kondorr Жыл бұрын

Just wanted to weigh in on the issue of german releases. These are often the unenhanced files from the lower format. Bought a few fiilms on german bluray, cause noone else had it, and often it turned out to be dvd quality burned on a bluray. It would not surprise me if they continue this scam on 4k so be cautious. If there is only one 4k or bluray edition on the market and it originates from Germany, u better hold ur wallet.

@ddc2957 Жыл бұрын

Yes I’ve only had two German releases on Blu (A Simple Plan & The Ghost & the Darkness) & have been fairly disappointed by both. The Princess Bride & The Never-Ending Story are on 4K exclusive to Germany & I’d be interested to hear peoples’ opinion on those if they’ve seen them. Interestingly enough I have the only Blu of the 80s film Funny Farm which is from Denmark, & that looks quite good.

@Eohtar Жыл бұрын

@@moomcmoosson1992 Fair point about when they were released. Hard to believe it's already been 5 years - the last couple of years certainly messed with my perception of time. But then again, I still think that any music that came out in the 2000s is 'new' :)

@my3dviews Жыл бұрын

I had the same issue with 3d movies. If a movie was in 3d at the theatre and the release was only in regular blu-ray, I would have to wait to get the 3d release. Sometimes it looked like there never was going to be one, then you end up with having to buy it again when/if they finally released it in 3d.

@jonathansabinvarietyfilms 11 ай бұрын

Personally as soon as they started pulling that about a decade ago, I made my standard: No 3D, No Sale. If they don't want to sell me the proper version of a movie, there are 'other' ways, and that's their choice.

@robsavage3217 Жыл бұрын

The studios and some of the boutiques have forced me to become something of a 4K snob. These days, I will almost never buy a Blu-ray of a mainstream title or a boutique title from the likes of Criterion, Arrow and others if I think there's a chance the film will be upgraded to 4K at some point. It's not the cost of a potential double dip that bothers me, it's the principle. I don't want to unnecessarily waste my money, regardless of whether or not I can afford it.

@PugLifeJM Жыл бұрын

Studios should just be more transparent about their intentions on releases and re-releases. Something along the lines of a PR department between the physical media section at studios and the customers would really go a long way.

@suddify666 Жыл бұрын

Really happy you're bringing light to this issue. I almost pulled the trigger on Malignant blu-ray but was holding off. Not necessarily because I was waiting for the 4k version, but instead i'm less interested in picking up a 1080p blu-ray when I can potentially get better quality through streaming. Needless to say... I was really irritated to see that Warner Brothers out of the blue decided to do the 4k release anyways. This has also happened to me for a few A24 titles. Midsommer is one of my favorite movies recent and immediately expected to be on 4k. They release it on Blu-ray, which I buy, and then do a A24 limited release a few months later on 4k? What the fuck! Also same thing but even more egregious with Robert Eggers' The Lighthouse. Been out on blu-ray for quite some time now and now there's rumors that there's going to be a limited 4k release for that movie also. It's really frustrating as a consumer to deal with this.

@prentissweston5998 Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more about just put the movie out on 4k and not just Blu-ray only, or just put them both out on 4k and Blu-ray and let the collector of movies buy which format they one to buy 👍

@DeanBarryStuff Жыл бұрын

What confuses me even more is that most 4K releases comes with the bonus blu ray version of the movie in the same packaging. Hell, most blu rays movies come with a DVD version. I don’t know why this isn’t just the norm. People could pick up the 4K, even if they don’t have a player or TV yet, at least they’re future proofed and ready to upgrade. The whole thing is just making us double dip. It’s a cash grab pure and simple.

@briannacluck5494 Жыл бұрын

I'm just barely starting to get into this medium after a family member bought me a 4k blu ray player off my wedding registry. I immediately started looking for 4k films for the player and was astounded that it's easier to find a 4k version of the original Frankenstein than it is to find a physical 4K release of, say, Zola

@captainspaulding8868 Жыл бұрын

Let’s also be a bit more clear - this is predominantly happening to horror collectors who are consistent collectors of horror. They know many will buy the Blu Ray on release date and this is nothing more than scummy business practices

@detroitsound9364 Жыл бұрын

What's your opinion on 4k should horror fans just stick with blue ray?

@TheMarine316 Жыл бұрын

What makes this even more perplexing is every 4K release comes with a blu ray

@danieldalton6544 Жыл бұрын

Not every. Friday The 13th, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Dressed To Kill, to name a recent few.

@TheMarine316 Жыл бұрын

@@danieldalton6544 most do is the point, by the way my copy of raiders came with both in the steelbook.

@lorenzo_smit 11 ай бұрын

I actually really like that. I don’t have a 4K player or oled tv yet. So can still watch the blu-rays until I eventually buy an oled tv

@yol_n 10 ай бұрын

@@TheMarine316 Why they do that? Isn't it more expensive to include 2 discs?

@TheMarine316 10 ай бұрын

@@yol_n yes

@oliversmith797 Жыл бұрын

If anything they should release the 4K first, as a way to encourage the wider transition to UHD. There's a collectors edition bluray of Catch Me If You Can out on October 4th from Paramount and I have no idea why it isn't in 4K or if it will soon be released in 4K. Being a collectors edition it makes it even harder to take the 'wait and see' approach. If you can find out anything about that transfer (4K intermediary?) I'd appreciate it!

@leighmonty13 Жыл бұрын

As a collector I figured out long ago just wait for the 4k or the special edition or the boxset unless I'm just happy with the bluray release, to many times I've bought the bluray to find out a special release is coming or extended ect

@Monsux Жыл бұрын

First pirate the 4k stream version... Later buy the 4k blu-ray release. Never buy it twice.

@jakeparker9416 Жыл бұрын

Dude, you hit the nail on the head. Good to know I am not alone on this. I actually have all those movies you talked about ordered or on my shelf and I had to do the switch from bluray to the 4Ks. This particular batch of movies being Men, Crimes of the Future and X are kind of the reason that I am going to have to wait until announcements now. IT'S SO FRUSTRATING!

@miket8497 Жыл бұрын

I only buy 4K & always wait for price drops anyway. The phenomenon you describe D/N really make sense b/c 4K is the only physical media segment that has seen an increase in sales. You would think the studios would go 4K from the beginning.

@Seriously140 Жыл бұрын

Something that majorly pisses me off is when a studio does a new 4K DI remaster, but only puts it on bluray. Why in hell do a 4K remaster and not put it on 4K bluray? Arrow seems to do this on most every movie of theirs I want to purchase. The first that come to mind are The Thing and Waterworld.

@bened22 Жыл бұрын

Both have 4K Blu Ray releases, at least internationally.

@ShadowLucario64 Жыл бұрын

@@bened22 some arrow movie aren't like that for example, tremors has a standard bluray and a 4k version but the both are still from a 4k scan, The gamera heisei films come out from arrow which the films are 4k remasters but they aren't 4k blurays they're only regular blurays

@dwaynesager1864 Жыл бұрын

I am only buying movies now on 4k format if it sits in my top 10 list. When we went from DVD to blu ray the improved quality was very noticeable, but I can't say the same going from blu ray to 4k. Yes the picture is almost always sharper, but the way they play around with HDR can honestly ruin the experience. I think it comes down to your pocket book. Spend wisely.

@ddc2957 Жыл бұрын

Well said. It’s not a format that needs applying to every single film (unlike BD which improves everything it touches).

@lexyoutube5146 Жыл бұрын

Yes Dwayne, I know other film collectors that have said the difference from dvd to blu-ray is more noticeable on screen than from blu-ray to 4k.

@dwaynesager1864 Жыл бұрын

Looking it up the difference between HD and 4k is 1366 x 768 pixels of revolution for HD to 3840 x 2160 pixels of revolution for 4k. Now I am watching my movies on a 60". If I upgrade to a 75" or 80" will I begin to see the difference?

@lexyoutube5146 Жыл бұрын

@@dwaynesager1864 Hi, my knowledge may be similar to yours, many film watches seem to have large 40"-60" screens, which blu-ray and 4k both look good on (dvd less so). The larger you go the more blu-ray will 'pass it's sweet spot', while 4k should still look great as you point out it has the extra pixels (a higher resolution). This is why 8k films probably won't get many if any physical releases, because to notice a significant upgrade on 4k, the screen would have to be cinema size, which most people wouldn't be able to fit in their home. The bigger you go with the screen for your 4k films the more you should notice a difference over blu-ray, but then it also depends on the individual blu-ray and 4k film transfers, HDR etc. Some may say seeing a minor increase is worth the cost of upgrading, some may say it isn't, it's personal preference.

@hi-fihaven2257 Жыл бұрын

Great video Jeff! I noticed the titles that get blu-ray releases get 4K digital releases. It’s like the studios are watching which releases sell better 2K or 4K digital before they decide on a 4K hard copy. I love purchasing 4K discs. First I own the movie, second I get better sound than digital. Atmos/DTHD, DTS:X, DTS-HD instead of Atmos/DD+ and DD+. I want to feed my system the best picture and sound.

@AzraelIgnis Жыл бұрын

I started waiting on 4k releases with digital codes. I live in Florida and my family lives up north. They have access to my library of digital movies. I have many duplicates now because of this, I got tired of it. Now I just sell the dups to 2nd hand stores to recoup what I can. And of course if it supports HDR I will rebuy films I love.

@macinman Жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff, I ran into a similar issue with Sonic the Hedgehog 2. I got the 4K release as I wanted, but they didn't include the usual Blu-ray 4K releases come with. It was just the 4K and digital copy. I typically use the Blu-ray copy for Plex, as there is no need for me to local stream 4K rips. First, I don't have a computer drive that can read the format. Second, I only have one 4K TV, so it makes more sense in my case to have the local server copy in 1080p. As to what you're talking about, many of those moves don't interest me. However, I've not run into the Blu-ray then 4k release with movies I want. Just the above that happened with Sonic 2.

@satanwest2923 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with everything you said in this video. And you mentioned 2 movies as great examples that were newly released on blu-ray but not 4k that I wanted which was X and Black Phone. I didn't buy them cuz I knew they were gonna come out on 4k. I pretty much never buy movies right away anymore cuz they are too overpriced at the beginning, and if there is a movie I really love or want to see, I would have already seen it in theaters anyway. I always wait for the price to go down, or for it to go on sale (unless its a limited item). Keep up the good work!

@SmoochyOF Жыл бұрын

I understand the frustration. If it was even 6 months later I would understand looking at Blu-ray sales numbers and making the decision on 4k or not but a month or two later is nonsense. On the flip side we are getting more catalog 4k releases than ever before so there's a positive there.

@ntmetroid Жыл бұрын

I just started refusing to buy standard blu rays in most cases. I got burned with Midsommar and Parasite and had to double dip. After that I said no more Black Phone and X are 2 recent examples where im waiting for a 4K release

@kozmicflush980 Жыл бұрын

4K is the only physical movie media you should be buying. Anyone that does Blu Ray still is a fool and also is the problem for 4K being pushed further. i still don't understand companies who sell DVDs and the people who are still buying that trash. 4K is the future.

@CybershamanX Жыл бұрын

Thanks for talking about this. I love physical media, specifically 4k, and it's just so frustrating trying to get copies of my favorite films/shows, especially steelbook/special versions. I go through periods where I kind of almost give up since it becomes almost like a job. Then I miss out on releases and I'm so loath to feed the scalper scene. I then end up crossing my fingers that prices will fall and, well, yadda yadda. You know the drill. At any rate, thanks for shedding some light on the situation. Guess we're just going to have to bitch and moan, like we always have to. 😎🤟☮️

@paulj5336 Жыл бұрын

A pet peeve of mine is the constant inclusion of a 1080p disc with the 4k. I purchased the uhd for a reason. Seems like wasting resources to me.

@fallingawake5706 Жыл бұрын

And charge you more for it when you dont even want it.

@ScottGrammer Жыл бұрын

Businesses make half their money from people's predictability. The studios know you're going to buy the Blu-Ray, even though you'd prefer the 4K. So they do this staggered roll-out to get you to buy twice. Just WAIT. Don't buy the first release. Wait a while. Don't spend your money until you can get exactly what you want.

@JeffRauseo Жыл бұрын

Right, but if you wait, then you didn’t buy and they won’t predict more sales, so you won’t get a 4K. It’s a lose-lose situation.

@ScottGrammer Жыл бұрын

@@JeffRauseo True, but they're too greedy. I think they'll release the 4K's because somebody in a suit will figure out that people are waiting for the 4K release. They may even stop making Blu-Rays and then go straight to 4K!

@joshk9317 Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought about "Greenland". But how long has it been since that came out? Still no 4K bluray in the US. I'm about to just order a European one

@ScottGrammer Жыл бұрын

@@joshk9317 I suppose the answer is that we must face the fact that studios are going to get rid of physical media entirely. They want streaming to be the only way to watch *their* movies in *your* home. Enjoy your media while you can, I guess.

@Markimark151 Жыл бұрын

I went to Target today to find 4K Blu Rays, I couldn’t find any new ones on their shelf, they said we’re not selling new 4K Blu Rays yet, because it’s not out yet! Also why is Disney still releasing DVD only movies, when they can just include the DVD with the Blu Ray combo!

@TheEasterFerret Жыл бұрын

Maybe it'd be best for them to start doing pre-order campaigns, kinda like Kickstarter. If the 4K version reaches a certain amount of pre-orders, then they make it, but if it falls short, they don't. Could even have a checkbox that allows the customer to opt-in to receive a blu-ray at a lower price if the 4K doesn't happen. At least it would be a more transparent way to handle things.

@PaulLBerriman Жыл бұрын

Very interesting double-edged sword situation! In Australia, if there is a 4K release (from the major studios) it comes out on the same-day as the blu-ray (and DVD, we still have a BIG DVD market here). But sadly there's a lot of studio titles which don't do as well in the box office here, which the studios then do DVD only of, sometimes lucky to get a blu-ray. We missed out on Last Night in Soho, and Malignant on 4K.

@mfourmovies9878 Жыл бұрын

What's your thoughts on Studios like Paramount releasing a 4K/Digital Code Combo and not supplying a Blu-Ray on the standard Slip versions? And usually they don't change the price. I prefer the 4K/Blu-Ray combo to compare the discs, ect.

@scotttild Жыл бұрын

Digital code is a total farce it never works.

@Chrisicola Жыл бұрын

I have a 1080 Benq projector that Im more than happy with. The new 4k projectors are still a little to out of my range and Im waiting for the market to chill some. That being said, Im more than happy with blu ray and even dvd in some cases. Not in a rush for 4k- eventually Ill swap the titles I really love out organically. Not all films need the higher resolution. Just a cost issue and being happy with what you got.

@raisedonfiction Жыл бұрын

Paramount is the most vicious with this stuff. I'm going to make a video about it... The Dolby Vision double dip will become a major issue in the next year or two and Paramount has a long history of doing this stuff with every release they possibly can. Indy, Godfather and Star Trek releases are perfect examples of immediate double dips due to packaging as well as transfer additions.

@acdc09 Жыл бұрын

I'm probably in a small camp in that this hasn't bothered me since I have not jumped into 4k with the exception of a few I have but they are bundled with the blu-ray version. Blu-ray for me is perfectly fine with my standards in quality, then again I've always been a step behind in transitioning to the next format. Heck, I don't mind dvds many times as the picture quality is serviceable to good to me plus price and availability can play a part in my decisions. Different standards for different folks but I totally get what the issue is for those it matters to.

@bobausten877 Жыл бұрын

I just bought crimes of the future a week back lol. Yup it’s a major issue man. What’s your thoughts on shout factory pushing out so many 4K upgrades but no updated audio on some or just lack of features to rebuy?

@Kashif314 Жыл бұрын

What are the odds of X coming in 4k to US or UK or shall I import the German release? I am not sure about the menus and other things like atmos track in english or not.

@jerlg Жыл бұрын

In general agreed. I remember even a few years back when Avengers Infinity War came out I wanted to buy in 4K and it was out. But Target sold out on first day or release in my area. So I got the BR. Now it is not as much of an issue. I can usually find the 4K if it exits. But having BR only and not disclosing g that it may be in 4K in less than 6 months is pretty rude.

@GrayWolf5000 Жыл бұрын

That's why I always say just wait. If it's released on Blu, you know it will come to 4k. Also if you want something in a collection just wait. Studios will release individual films to see how well they sell then bam, they release a nice 4k box set.

@donsimpsonshead8809 Жыл бұрын

I do the same. This is a non-issue for me. Well…except for TV shows, I’ve been waiting at least a year for the rumored 4K release of The Expanse series.

@GrayWolf5000 Жыл бұрын

@@donsimpsonshead8809 yeah TV shows rarely get 4k unless it's something like got . People just preorder like crazy and then get mad because they didn't wait.

@ShadowLucario64 Жыл бұрын

@@GrayWolf5000 I feel like we should have to wait but at the same time I get it

@steffylovesmedia7735 Жыл бұрын

great advice im havent got a bluray lately put havent miss a movie i can wait and see what they gone do i know the game double they money but not on my wallet if sales go down and they lose money may be they will wise up its about the money they want to keep that coming

@WPorta1969 Жыл бұрын

With inflation and having to budget more over the last couple of years, I’ve learned to be more patient with my 4K purchases. I just got tired of buying a new release on 4K day one at $30 and then seeing it for $15 two months later. So, I’m not buying new releases right away. Especially, since I can still watch most on streaming. Movies coming out on blu-ray first aren’t as frustrating for me, because although I really want to pick up “Black Phone” on 4K, I was going to wait on it anyway. What’s frustrating for me is when recent movies like “Ready or Not” that have already been out a couple of years still don’t have a 4K release. I just have a used blu-ray copy I bought off Redbox just in the Redbox case for $3.99 and the 4K digital copy. There are very few 4Ks I’ll buy day one nowadays. Now, if it’s under $25 and a catalog title I want I may pick it up. The only upcoming 4K release I foresee picking up day one is “Top Gun: Maverick”. Yes, there are some catalog titles I want on 4K that I’ll pick up shortly after release (Lost Boys, Poltergeist), but those are in that $25 range.

@davefilms345 Жыл бұрын

It always pays to wait, always. This is the reason why I held off from buying the Indiana Jones boxset, I had this gut feeling that they will release them separately in original artwork as well. I don't bother with blu anymore now I wait for 4k. Same with 48hrs..comes out on 4k in Dec and ppl bought the remastered blu. I said give it a few months and it will come to 4k..no no ppl would say. Oh how I laughed . Same with the black phone it's not out on 4k but It will be..So I'm waiting. So it pays to wait and not double dip.

@NYC_Goody Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY. It's like these collectors are rushing to buy day 1 to flex or brag to their friends I dunno what it is. Just wait. I personally don't mind boxsets for movies. Even if they're not the original art. I'm a fan of a lot of the alternative art covers studios have been putting out. I bought the Indiana Jones set because I got it for a good deal when I purchased.

@easyz6654 Жыл бұрын

My feeling on this issue is that given the studios are setting up their own streaming services (Disney+, Paramount+, etc) that they want to drive the customer base to this mode for delivery. They get a guaranteed revenue stream and more importantly, the ownership and control of the content comes back to the studio. Selling me a disk allows me to own it on a shelf forever without their tinkering with the content to suit whatever woke cause may be in the news at the time (exhibit one - Gone with the Wind and the racial stereotypes being called out). They know the real holdouts to their streaming platforms, people like ourselves, want the 4K releases. Our situation in Australia is that whilst there are some awesome labels (Via Vision & Imprint) that produce great content, the studios provide no value add, labels with ugly classification labels obscuring the cover art, the list goes on. Do I want to be subject to the whim of the studios that pull content from the streaming services at will? No, I'd rather have the movie sitting on a shelf that I can view at any time. I've been caught out on streaming platforms (Prime) where I've been going through a particular TV series and it gets pulled before I have had a chance to finish watching. I think we will see a future where the boutique platforms take over physical media. There is a market for it amongst us (look at Arrow and the great job they do). Just my 2 cents worth.

@MamaToldMeNoToWatch Жыл бұрын

Interesting point. I remember Capelight announced th 4k-release of "X" in April or May, prior to its limited theatrical release, so we German customers knew early that there will be a 4-release. Same with Plaion Pictures and "Men". The single Blu Ray-release of "X" ist announced for October 28th.

@MrEdWeirdoShow Жыл бұрын

Since blu-rays were invented, there was always this "understanding" that if a blu came out on a film, there was little to no chance it would soon be reborn as a 4K. The point was that certain films (usually older ones) went sorta high def, which was at least better than a dusty old DVD. What would solve this recent mess is companies always coming out with a blu-ray and 4K the same week. Average people would vote with their pocket books and save some dough, while super-serious collectors would always get their 4K. Win-win!

@vincentcadena7651 Жыл бұрын

I agree, I just picked up Get Carter and it would make a great Criterion release but I had to get the BFI edition for the 4K. The transfer looks great but the messed up thing is I can’t watch the special features because they are only on a Region B disc. I honestly don’t think it will come to America(much like Dawn of the Dead).

@tompoynton Жыл бұрын

Now imagine being a UK consumer and seeing all those US-only Criterion releases, multiply your frustration by 1000 and you’ll understand

@fife007 Жыл бұрын

It was like that with Uncut Gems. I bought the Blu-ray since I really like the film. A year later a 4K version with more bonus features gets announced. WTF?! I wish I knew about this earlier so I would have waited for the 4K release. I'm still holding out for a 4K release of Emma since I don't have to go through this again.

@jhaft703 Жыл бұрын

Hell or Highwater

@robbymovick465 Жыл бұрын

Jeff, where can i preorder or buy X on 4k ? don't see it listed anywhere. Thanks Robby

@thatoneguy7709 Жыл бұрын

This is the reason why I haven't bought Licorice Pizza yet. I'm very certain that they're going to release a 4k sometime in the near future, mainly because of this new trend of releasing 4ks months after the initial blu-ray release.

@trejosam00 Жыл бұрын

Criterion put out Paths of Glory on BR and I picked it up. I just saw that a 4K will be out soon. For an older movie it's fine on BR but I probably would have gone with the 4K if it was out at the same time.

@JaredScott Жыл бұрын

You might be interested in the release history of DBZ after the vhs era. Almost every version has bad color correction, cropped images, etc. this includes their anniversary releases

@jeremydrew1227 Жыл бұрын

I will always regret walking away from the Dragon box sets when they were at Walmart. That was before I got back into watching Dragonball as an adult.

@ddc2957 Жыл бұрын

I’d be curious to know if you guys have watched the Blu sets of DBZ? I have old DVDs & no way am I paying full price to get them on Blu but I do wonder if/how much it improves on 1080p.

@JaredScott Жыл бұрын

@@ddc2957 I’ve only had the Blu-ray’s. I’d suggest some comparison vids on KZfaq since a lot of channels are hard core perfectionists.

@prestonhansen7160 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I've been noticing this also. I loved malignant when that came out but there was only a blu-ray and I wanted to own it but I really don't like double dipping and a week ago I saw they are now selling the 4k and I instantly bought it

@NRH_Wx Жыл бұрын

Are usually only see like four or five copies at a local Walmart of 4K and plenty of Blu-ray and DVD versions on the shelf. Best Buy section has shrinked so much I try to go every other day to look at their selection to see if something new came in on the truck. Yes I’m aware I can go to Amazon or eBay to find these movies. But I’m also trying to support my local stores.

@OledBurnInKing Жыл бұрын

I usually just wait for a 4k version nowadays of the movies that I buy since I bought a blu ray version than out of nowhere the 4k would be released later on even though I wanted a 4k version from the get go. I thought the movies that I purchased were only gonna be on blu ray only and than they get released in 4k. This had happened multiple times. I usually like to window shop and see what's available on sale since I like to buy 4k movies on black Friday to get the best bargain I can get in 4k so I can buy a bunch of movies that I want in batches for whatever is available. When it comes to buying cds, blu rays and 4k , I shop at vintage stores or sometimes places like a thrift store since they have them available if I get lucky.

@davidt8438 2 ай бұрын

Greed knows no limits. The studios insatiable thirst for profit is obscene.

@ducky25410 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you 100% I collect physical media myself and I just buy it on blu ray on release day and I will wait until the 4k goes on sale for a good price then I double dip but I'm good either way in my humble opinion.

@V3ntilator Жыл бұрын

I solved this problem years ago, because i stopped buying Blu-Ray nearly 100%. I waited for 4K releases instead.

@mr.manfredjensenjen7294 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video! It’s really frustrating when you get endless releases of the same movie with few to none new extra features. Movies Like E.T., Jaws etc.

@scotttild Жыл бұрын

Kind of reminds me of the transition from LP to CDs. LP would come out and then five or six months latter the CD would. Then of course they did away with LPs when they stopped selling and people just would sit for the CD. They should just transition to 4k for newer movies. I have bought Starship Troopers three times LOL, original DVD, Blu Ray and 4k.

@brianng8350 Жыл бұрын

Are studio unsure there is a market or do you think the studio is trying to double dip? I know studios are coming out with digital first, then physical media, which also include digital copy. So, that is clearly double dipping. They should announce plans for all format release dates for anything format is released.. But my suggestion is to wait for Black Friday or a few years later when there are sales before picking up the 4K if people already picked up blu-ray. But that would not work if there are limited editions or steelbooks. If there are secondary markets, they can resell their blu-ray copies. So, there are options unless they don't want to wait.

@tubinonyou Жыл бұрын

Waited a while to purchase Licorice Pizza on Blu because I was holding out for a 4K release. To my knowledge there is still no physical 4K for that film. The digital code in the Blu-ray was iTunes only (1080p) so I had to double dip for a digital copy in 4K on Vudu. I'd probably still buy a physical 4K disc for it if it were released but it's definitely not an ideal circumstance for a collector. Feels like I'm getting fleeced.

@gladioveritas9407 Жыл бұрын

How about concert films in 4K or even Blu-ray? I don't see much out there. Any idea if Live Aid or US Festival going on 4K?

@_alex_willis Жыл бұрын

Do you think Disney/Marvel is going to make a 4 movie 4K box set for Thor? They have the 3 movie collection that's been out for years but I haven't seen any new box sets that include Love and Thunder. Maybe it's too early since Love and Thunder just came to home media. I hope they're going to make the 4 movie collection but I feel they're straying away from physical media box set collections sadly

@iNeverHadMercy Жыл бұрын

I feel your pain.....especially in my wallet!! I have moved BACK to focusing on buying Blu-Rays for new releases. On my setup, they look just as vivid and live as 4Ks

@nacthenud Жыл бұрын

I have over 750 4K Blu-rays now and I almost never buy new releases that don’t have a 4K disc because I’ve been burned too many times on a 4K release that comes out shortly after I buy the standard 1080p disc. What troubles me even more is when I buy a 4K release and then a year later they put out another release of the same movie, but this time with the Dolby Vision that they didn’t have on the first release. Or when they follow up with a steelbook release AFTER I already bought the standard case. I definitely feel like they’re holding back to try to tempt me into double-dipping and it makes it frustrating to jump in on day one. But then it’s even more frustrating when I don’t jump in and pre-order and then the movie becomes impossible to find after release.

@briantaylor6030 Жыл бұрын

I agree with you totally Jeff. Occasionally they also release a steelbook later which ruffles my feathers

@dominicarroyo6269 Жыл бұрын

Or pull a Sony and do some re-releases of their 4k steelbooks like once upon a time in Hollywood and etc which sucks because nobody knew they'd be doing that

@guitareveryone Жыл бұрын

Unlike the giant leap from the old VHS format to DVD and DVD to blu-Ray, 4K blu-ray releases in my opinion has not yet been a huge market for the average viewer. Considering how long the 4K format has been in the market now the 4K discs should have been considered the standard format for the home consumer. However it appears that streaming sites apparently have really killed the 4K disc. Although collectors like myself would much prefer physical media and especially 4K the convenience of streaming and picture quality appears to have been the choice for the general viewing public. I believe that’s also evident in the fact that big box stores are still stocking tons of titles in the older DVD format as well as blu-ray. I for one have been pretty frustrated with lack of 4K titles versus blu-ray. So for myself unless 4K titles make a giant leap in availability soon I will continue to buy blu-ray. The quality is still very good even projected on my 10 ft screen. Of course if 4K titles of my favourite films hit the market with great quality and pricing I will grab them. Enjoyed this episode and enjoy your channel!

@jadan2000 Жыл бұрын

is there a way to make out voices heard about this to the studios?

@enriquecabada8841 Жыл бұрын

i would have bought all those movies you mentioned but the fear of getting a 3k announcement later kept me from spending money on those titles i double diped on the malignant release and i was not happy so i said mo more im gonna wait im sure a lot of people are thinking the same to me feels like a straight up cash grab

@datashadow Жыл бұрын

At this point, I assume any new movie (from major studios) will have a 4k release and that's what I wait for. Sucks, but I'm willing to wait and hope.

@NYC_Goody Жыл бұрын

Whenever I see a blu ray release only, I just wait with the assumption it's coming to 4k. I guess the one major point that makes sense is what you said in that the company will look at sales and base the 4k release on numbers. Which is stupid.

@joshk9317 Жыл бұрын

I've been thinking the exact same thing. I really want "Men" and "Black Phone", but I'm afraid to buy then have 4K releases announced a week later. I have enough titles I'm thinking about double dipping on coming out this holiday season already. There's a lot of older titles that have 4K on digital only also. "Edward Scissorhands" is first to come to mind. I really want it, but don't want to buy 4K digital or standard Bluray. Just patiently waiting for lots of titles that already have 4K digital releases to come to 4K physical

@avgnfandon2 Жыл бұрын

Man I really wanted to like Men but that theme just was not executed well enough for me

@chrisjfox8715 Жыл бұрын

@@avgnfandon2 i loved it!

@avgnfandon2 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisjfox8715 a visually beautiful film but I just felt as though there wasn’t much going on and when there was, it was a message that was just shoved down my throat with very little warning. Felt like a was watching a nature/vacation guide that ended with a lecture 😂

@chrisjfox8715 Жыл бұрын

@@avgnfandon2 😂 you guys really need to let that "shoved down my throat" shit go. That movie was not at all lecturing. Here's a lecture: stop being so sensitive. The point was that particular character's paranoia and neurosis given what she'd gone through, not a statement on the world at large.

@avgnfandon2 Жыл бұрын

@@chrisjfox8715 no idea who the “guys” are win your statement my boy, I’m telling you how I felt and to me that script/writing was a bit too on the nose and that last montage of everyone giving birth to another just didn’t do shit for me. To me it definitely felt like a statement but hey, films can be interpreted in different ways. 🫱🏾‍🫲🏻

@PrisonMike117 Жыл бұрын

This happened to me a few times. Most recently with Wayne’s world and planes trains and automobiles.

@jstock2000 Жыл бұрын

It sucks cause I heard thr rumors for a24 so I didn't get x on bluray. I know people who did and now do I get that overseas 4k or wait for a a24 exclusive 4k?

@derdiskfluesterer Жыл бұрын

I agree with you, me as a German 4K Collector and KZfaqr, I am surprised when big movies come to 4K here but there are nowhere else to be found in the US or the UK. I know there is a big market for movies collectors here, but its crazy that major studios hold back on their movies, because the market and the Support is there in the US. But there is a big problem with some German 4K Blu-Rays. I noticed that movies like Drive, Dawn of the Dead (1978) or Everything Everywhere all at once have a different Colour grading that the US/UK Versions. It’s super weird, companies like Koch Media or Leonine Distribution have made some terrible decisions in the past. So I am thinking now that I should get my stuff from the UK or the US because the transfers are so much better than the Germans ones. It’s getting frustrating, but for what I know I will never stop collecting and supporting physical media. So I will do some more in depth research. As always I love your content, great stuff. Keep going for it 👍🏻

@jimalbruzzess2445 Жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff, totally agree with you. Piss me off though.🤬🤬🤬🤬 Although my local library is loving it, I donate my duplicate blu Ray's after the 4K purchase. Still.... piss me off !!!

@WestPhillyNative215 Жыл бұрын

Valuable information. I'm a DVD/Blu-ray/4K disk collector with over 10K in my collection. Will Criterion (I have many of their disks in my collection too) follow suit?

@NessNayii Жыл бұрын

Yep, this has been hapening for some time now...very annoying, and ultimately not good for anyone, including companies, or for physical media more generally.

@mr.looneytune9222 Жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you these type of things need to be at least same day release with 4k and blu-ray or both together like they do it is disc company that has to do with it I think it was the schedule that there going to start looking in to.?.?

@lawyer1165 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been upgrading many of my films from DVD to blu ray. So far, I’ve only upgraded two films from blu ray to 4K-Singin’ in the Rain and Double Indemnity. I might add To Kill a Mockingbird to that list. When a film that I don’t own is available in 4K, I will buy that version. However, for me, upgrading from blu ray to 4K generally a waste of money because properly remastered films (e.g., Warner Archive) look great on my Sony 4K TV.

@MikeSmith-rh5gc Жыл бұрын

Double Indemnity is so good. Got the 4k Criterion

@scotttild Жыл бұрын

It depends on what type of movie. Science fiction with lots of darkness and color almost always looks better than the blu ray. Other movies not a lot of difference.

@TheTonyahawk Жыл бұрын

It honestly depends on how much you like a particular movie on weather to upgrade formats. For my favorite films I upgrade for instance Poltergeist comes to 4K in about 2 weeks and I have preordered it but would never get parts 2 or 3 it's all up to your taste.

@stevealharris6669 Жыл бұрын

Or you hear of a 4K release and its only available in the US (or elsewhere) then you have to decide whether to import it (along with all the customs dues) or walt to see if it may come out in my country (UK).

@tomthurston9069 Жыл бұрын

I loved "Black Phone" but refuse to buy it on BluRay, because I know it will be available on 4K

@zoneclipper Жыл бұрын

Same, I don't trust getting it on Amazon only for a 4K release to be announced shortly after. SMH

@wiiplaya25 Жыл бұрын

I’m still mad about the lack of IMAX conversion on physical release. This adds to the anger now

@Sthunderrocker Жыл бұрын

Yes! I've been pretty much assuming that if there is a Blu-ray only release in the US I need to go look overseas.

@Lozin80 Жыл бұрын

My rule of thumb is that if a new title I want doesn’t have a 4K I will skip the Blu-Ray and get the 4K digital iTunes when less than $10 and if the 4K Disc is announced by then great if not I’ll wait. I’ve also skipped all the Paramount Presents BD’s and now they are starting to come out on 4K so it was another good call. I don’t mind waiting it out

@atranfanatic Жыл бұрын

Many reasons why I still buy DVDs and Laserdiscs. Besides all that, my newest TV is a Samsung 2010 46" model for $25.00 at a local Goodwill. lol I see zero reasons to buy a newer TV when mine work just fine. Also the fact that when a Blu-Ray fails, you are screwed due to not being able to resurface it like a DVD. I have had a few Blu-Ray games become paperweights due to discs failing and not being able to load the game anymore due to errors. Hence I had to get another copy of the game so I could load it on my game console and play it. Also the Blu-Rays are packaged in flimsy, crappy plastic cases. Which causes the disc to come loose and flop around inside.

@damagedcatdad Жыл бұрын

You are absolutely correct. Physical media in general is almost exclusively a collector’s market. Collectors are going to prefer the best picture quality (4K) and so companies should automatically release in 4K on release day. Even if they only want to release on one format 4K should be prioritized. With gaming consoles and tvs coming with 4K compatibility as base, there is no real reason to even release standard Blu-ray anymore. The only releases, in my opinion, that should be on Blu-ray are TV shows. Other than that, standard Blu-ray and DVD should be entirely cycled out.

@tonygar3485 Жыл бұрын

This leads into something I've been wondering about. Why release 4k discs and blurays of the same movie separately? I recently bought the scream 4k steelbook from best buy. I didn't see that the bluray didn't come with it. I've seen that with a few other titles. Why would they do that other then just for greed?

@metalheadlazz Жыл бұрын

I get the complaint (especially if you wanted to see something and it either wasn't in theaters or it was in theaters for such a short time you had no time to see it),but personally it's easy for me. I can wait a while and see if it's released on 4k,or if it's something that just cannot wait and I want to see it NOW I'll rent it for like $3-$4 and if it's something I can see myself watching quite a bit I'll wait for it on 4k. If not and it's just something to have and watch one a year or so,I'll get it on Blu-ray and later down the line if I watch it more than I thought I would,see if it's worth the upgrade.

@paulhalucha526 Жыл бұрын

I get the annoyance but really do not feel compelled to upgrade every new release especially when I JUST bought the Blu ray and the quality of those releases is so good. I am sitting out a lot of the new Scream Factory releases for exactly this reason. Ti West’s X on Blu ray is totally fine and came with cool packaging.

@marklindsey1995 10 ай бұрын

I stopped buying movies years and years ago after I would buy a movie, then the collector's edition came out, then the director's cut came out, then the extended-cut box set came out, then the blu-ray standard movie came out, then the blu-ray limited edition..... Such garbage. To this day I cannot buy a movie because I don't know which version is the "best"

@JoeGrizz1y Жыл бұрын

It honestly shocked me when The Black Phone wasn’t on 4K and the blu ray was sold out at my local target. Certain films are huge and have great word of mouth, just give them the 4K. Films like X did great box office wise and fits so easily into physical media niche. Why the hell not release a 4K at launch. It’s annoying. And people saying to sell the Blu-ray’s and upgrade. It takes a while to do that and mostly cause more pain to do so.