Which is why I thought that this volin part (and nothing else) WAS the sample.

Not really a symphony without the string ensemble

But ALL the melody idea is in the sample, it has the disctictive chords that gave The Verve the idea for the violins

the melody is not just an idea, it's the same melody played by Rolling Stones on guitar but in a higher octave, plus few added notes

​@@BLUc18wasn't this written by Keith Richards for the Verve

Same here! Totally agreed, this realisation makes the copyright dispute an infuriating act of greed.

If I remember correctly the stones finally dropped this.

That same violin melody is in the original version.

You can still hear basically all elements of the song in the orchestral version. Most importantly, the melody of the song is the same as the melody of the original song. The violin melody is probably the most original part of the song, and it's still not entirely original - you can also hear it in the orchestral version (if you listen to the full version). It's played on piano and it misses some notes. But you can still hear where it comes from. Still, the fact that The Rolling Stones got 100% of the writing credits for this song is a bit strange, since there's almost no resemblance between the original Stones song and Bittersweet Symphony. It does use the same vocal melody, though, so I'm not saying Stones should get no writing credits. But most of the writing credits should go to the arranger of the orchestral version.

It's still most of the song that's sampled and the violin follows the sampled melody.

You mean The Staple Singers?

The stones never punished the verve, infact they were insistent that the verve not be punished. They received royalties for the song a couple of years ago, thanks to jagger and Richards.

​@@mickreynolds3306 Yes, it was their label and management that acted on copyright issues. Kudos to Jagger and Richards for working on behalf of the Verve.

It was allan klein’s greed that caused it..he made enough money off the stones in the 60’s,he didn’t have to go penny pinching 25 years later

Beliefs and laws change.

The sample adds depth, but without it, I´m sure they could have added something similar there just inspired by the sample to make it just as good. If they had known before hand the hassle the sample would create.

@@teppo9585 I believe you are right. The magic is there just needed to find a similar sample or vibe to add. Regardless it classic no matter where the royalties go.

The strings are still a rip off from the Stones original though ..all the verve did was re-record them.

Fascinating - I thought the entire orchestral string part was the sample. Even without it the song sounds amazing. Pity they got screwed by the lawyers on it but, it still sold millions of albums and gig tickets as well as their other amazing songs so, all in all, The Verve win in the end :)

@@martin-1965 This video isn't quite right ..the strings were copied as well, they just re-recorded them rather than sample them .... The Stones deserved to win as the verve added nothing but the lyrics

Actually I did

Hahaha. Everytime now

Never paid attention before this vid

Oh man so true...The guy is a ruthless ruthless glutton of a businessman.

Seriously, he’s the mega-villain of music. I call Colonel Tom Parker and Mike Love the second one and third one, consecutively.

@@jonathangummberg898 You're surprised? Religiosity is a FULL on synonym for _hypocrisy._

​@@ROOKTABULA some people don't see it when applied inward, only outward

​@@ROOKTABULA I just always love how dismissive religious people are towards all the other like 3999+ religions that still exist today, nevermind all the ones through history... The Christian Right in the states are my favorite.. They view the Romans and Greek gods like "little kid" gods, that they chuckle and mock the idea anybody took seriously... They laugh off and talk around the simple question "well, who is right? Are Muslim teachings true? If so, which ones? Which sect of Islam? What about Hindus and Buddhists?? (Well... Obviously it's Christianity that's right... But it just depends how offensive they want to be with their response, or how "unwoke/not a PC snowflake" they want to be with their answer... ...Or they can tap dance around it forever...) My other favourites are the ones who quote scripture in response to anything and everything in their life, as if remembering scripture is proof of ANYthing besides their brainwashing from their parents/local society/culture for the most part, based on the religion they're born into...

it was the rolling stones they were up against, I get what you're saying, and it was unfair imo, but the stones must have pushed hard in court.

An executive at ASCAP told me that it was really shady how this happened. Allegedly, The Verve's manager thought he made a fair deal with Allan Klein, who agreed to a 50/50 split. But the devil in the details was that he meant a 50/50 split between Jagger and Richards, not The Stones and The Verve, The Verve's manager understood it to be.

@@eclectico78 It wasn't even the stones, it was their greedy manager Allan Klein who screwed over the verve. After his death, it was actually his own son and the rolling stones who finally gave the song back to the verve and did the right thing.

@@allroundlad The Rolling Stones were angry, Keith Richards said "We were ripped off." They blocked the broadcast of Sisters of Mercy's great version of Gimme Shelter as well. A$$holes.

The writers get royalties not the session players

nah

@@JackFate76 yes

lol, each to their own! You must be so upset Soccer AM finished!

No it isn’t 😂

@@barry4649 definitely the best song of the last 30 years

But it’s exactly the same as the bells melody

But it’s exactly the same as the bells melody

@@globalcitizenn yeah I get it, but it still differs a bit, it's not sampled 100%

They added it? The Verve or their man at the board recording it?

That was also a sample but not from Stones directly

There was something magical about the naive optimism of the late '90s. It's might be a worn cliché, but as the saying goes, "you had to be there".

We thought we were living at the End of History. How wrong was that!

No. All the time in the world was Louis Armstrong's... it wasn't your song...

@@tk421trading6 🤦

It's a bitter sweet symphony mate.

I thought Youth produced the track though. He was a bit of a sample fiend...

only because the music without the sample is just a note for note copy of it.

Not exactly, Verve’s arrangement is pretty much the same melody/harmony of the original arrangements.

@@javiceres Yeah, but it's sad that the orchestral version seems to have nothing from the original stones song, and thus a shame that that sample, and poor advice from management, led to the 100% theft of their song.

@@antsmith5328 that sample is note for note completely different than the actual stone's song.

@@guanoguy4800 and that's infuriates me! RS sued and got ALL the rights for TV song WHEN they themselves were using a sample from another song. The Rolling Hypocrisy. The Nerve to pull that out!

Yea, the heart of the song was there in The Last Time. The Verve built a proper great song on top of it, but the core of the greatness was there.

Agree with Sam, the 8th note sequence is still (mostly) there in the original, it just got a fresh arrangement. Definitely something you would need the rights for ahead of time. Glad they all worked it out.

​@@bobcurrie1642the thing always has been (imho) that the original Rolling stones recording sounds nothing like that arrangement... So, tevhnically the autorship of that should have belonged to whoever orchestrated that rendition of the London Orchestra

@0000song0000, thanks for the reply. I hear ya, and have thought the same, to a degree. I hate that the music world is completely lawsuit crazed. That being said, this one is pretty much a dead-ringer, and they would have been wise to get the rights, regardless of who the owner was.

Which they had permission to use, the thing that makes it even more gutting... The Verve got ripped off big time.

if only there was a full version.

yes please

So buried in the mix even without sample , sadly

There's an app called moises that breaks song down into tracks.

Thanks a lot!

The Stone should give them back all the money that they earned thanks to this song!!!

@@FerryLuckyMan agreed! thx for this epic chanel

The Verve or Richard Ashcroft?

Stolen from whom ?

But the damage is done already....

@Sydney Donovon1 Alan Klein is like the supervillain of music

They should not have accepted it in the first place.

it was reported in the last year or two they signed the rights off for the credit of the song to ashcroft.

This is clearly a Rolling Stones song.

@@hdaviator9181 they didnt own it to sign it over, abkco took the lions share.

The spng they stole is called "The Last Time" What the fuvk are you talking about?

Yup

Too much depth... or to be more accurate... they totally fucking ruined the original with their cluttered noisy garbage! Really makes one's ears bleed!

YES!!!! Fascinating stuff..

Obscure band?? They’d written their true masterpiece two years prior. Sounds like you’d missed the bus probably while you were listening to oasis 🤣

Hello! Hey, I did my part promoting this song when I was so young IN A STRIP CLUB of all places. Not that many people frequent these places for the music, but if you're insecure , naked, with you're emotions RAW, there is nothing better than to spend those minutes on stage with THIS song, quieting the place replacing sleaze with MOONLIGHT...

@@megadave1197 The US has no idea of this band until this song. But yes who knew when i got into them that there was an even richer back catalog to listen to. -U10

@@Ultegra10SPD Ha ok fair play mate! I think they did tour US around 93 🤔 but yea it’d been very low key. There is a great live show on KZfaq in Frankfurt I think 93/94 search for it 👌🏼 😎

@@Ultegra10SPD ahem, those of us who were into shoegaze/ dreampop knew who VERVE were before they were forced to tack on "The", and loved the fuck out of the debut album/eps.

Thanks!!!

Boomers man 😂

“One of the greatest songs ever written” 💀

@@_ArmIaand it is one of the greatest (pop) songs ever written hands down by the globe.

And don't forget A Storm In Heaven! That and the EP where when they were called Verve before they had to change their name to The Verve. Listened to those more times than I can possibly count.

@@TheMorganRose A Storm in Heaven is so damn good, I've had seperate periods where I'd just get obsessed with one song from the album and play it over and over, for multiple of the songs on the album

Lucky Man is a fantastic song. It maybe just as emotional as Bitter Sweet Symphony if not more

Why would it pain you? dramatic much? This is a fantastic song. One of the best songs of the 90s. Doesn't mean we can't love their other tracks like drugs don't work, lucky man, etc.

@@shootinputin6332 it's a turn of phrase. Im from England. We use words in phrases sometimes.

Thanks a lot for your support!

sorry, but all of the music behind the lead violin is a clear copy of the orchestral version of the last time. with or without the samples, apart from the violin, musically and rythmically it is the exact same, so basically ashcroft only wrote the lyrics.

It went before a judge who unfortunately ruled 100% against The Verve. But Mick and Keith signed over the rights to the song eventually and gave them something like $2.5 million.

​@@bobthebear1246 Eventually = 25 years later, when the biggest hype is over and the remaining profits are hardly noticeable. The Rolling Stones milked the cow and left the carcass to The Verve, therefore I don't see it as something we should give them credit for.

That violin melody can be heard in the original version too. It’s there, around 1:40 mark.

To me. the memorable strings only mimic what's already there in the original strings and bells, only with sustain instead of staccato,

Thanks!

Thanks!

You too! Thanks a lot for the support!

It doesnt matter if the theme wasnt being famous, if it belongs to them it belongs to them, if you steal somebody elses work it doesnt make it ok just because it was more popular with you, with that said, the verve did deserve a portion of the royalties

@Dan White I think the Stones stole the song from an old R&B group and the Orchestral melody itself was not written by Keith or Jagger. So in reality they never really had original ownership of anything.

Not in your eras

greedy is so ugly, like the family of the man who wrote kookaburra lives in the old gum tree, who sued' men at work' for using it in the opening rift of 'land down under'. they won, causing one of the writers to kill himself

@@NoName-qv8ko well they should have give him credit, that was the correct way to proceed, i would call it hypocrecy, but in the stones favor they suposedly didnt want to take bitter sweet symphony's royalties, and they were not the ones aproaching the process, but their legal team acted "automatically"

“Everybody stood there stunned”….doubtful. “It was insane”…also doubtful. Your imagination….insane.

One of these days I'mma blast this joint at my wedding!!!!!!! It's my favorite song of all time!!!!

🤨 no

@@actionkato2133 ⬆⬆ *TROLL* ⬆⬆

It's not quite good enough for Sonny and Cher

Everybody would have noticed!! All the song is a sample basically.

lol